Were pirates gay? On Sodomy in the Age of Pirates

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Gay pirates have pretty much become a trope at this point - homosexual relationships often play a minor or even major part in pirate media. Jack Sparrow is often seen as exhibiting stereotypical homosexual behavior, Our Flag Means Death is a romantic comedy about two homosexual pirates, and most interesting is perhaps Black Sails, which is really about a naval officer scorned from English society for his sexual preferences, and seeking revenge for it. And no doubt you’ve heard the phrase “butt pirate”.
This portrayal is relatively recent, and stands in stark contrast to the traditional presentation of the pirate as a hypermasculine womanizer. It all dates back to the book Sodomy and the Pirate Tradition, written in 1984 by Barry Richard Burg - it seeks to answer the rhetorical question posed in the title of this video, and whilst you might expect to be provided some sort of simple answer, this is simply not possible. Burg even admits this in his book, saying there's not enough documentation from pirate society to do anything but theorize. So instead, this video will more so provide an insight into this period so radically different from our own, and perhaps provide a better understanding of how they might have viewed this very contemporary topic.
Modern sources:
1700: Scenes from London Life - Maureen Waller
Against Nature: Sodomy and Homosexuality in Colonial Latin America - Zeb Tortorici
Escaping court martial for sodomy: Prosecution and its alternatives in the Royal Navy, 1690-1840 - Seth Stein LeJacq
Gotham: A History of New York to 1898 - Edwin G. Burrows & Mike Wallace
Homosexuality and rape of males in Old Norse law and literature - Kari Ellen Gade
Men and Matelotage - Nicole Keegan
Pirates in their own words - E.T Fox
Redefining Sex in Eighteenth-Century England - Tim Hitchcock
Sailors: English merchant seamen, 1650-1755 - Peter Earle
Sodomy and the pirate tradition - B.R Burg
Sodomitical Inclinations in Early Eighteenth-Century Paris - Jeffrey Merrick
Songs of Sodom: Singing About the Unmentionable Vice in the Early Modern Low Countries - Jonas Roelens
"Things Fearful to Name": Sodomy and Buggery in Seventeenth-Century New England - Robert F. Oaks
The Sea-Rover's Practice - Benerson Little
The Transformation of Sodomy from the Renaissance to the Modern World and Its General Sexual Consequences - Randolph Trumbach
Period sources:
Germania - Tacitus
Les us, et coutumes de la mer - Chez Jean Lucas
Sodom, or the Quintessence of Debauchery - John Wilmot
Music by Jon Sayles at jsayles.com
Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
6:27 Defining sodomy
14:16 Sodomy in Law and Religion
23:36 Sodomy in the Old World
31:50 Sodomy in the New World
41:51 Sodomy at sea
48:10 Pirates and sodomy
58:15 Pirate gay marriage?
61:52 Conclusion
#pirates #history #lgbtq #pridemonth

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@GoldandGunpowder 26 дней назад

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@arnijulian6241 22 дня назад

''Average Londoner'' my Aris. Much of London is Muslim & Black which are most often very much homophobic. Myself a cockney cares not as long as consenting of age gays or homosexuals keep their affairs private which few rarely do these days. I am relatively-tolerant to gays & bisexuals but London as a whole not among the upper class are certainly not tolerant no matter how the Mainstream media or todays present ideologies tries to push other wise! My position on lesbians is much the same as Queen Victoria as no true penetration is possible means no fornication is possible so merely to overly affectionate women is all. My ex's considered me very odd that I permitted them female partners as long as they have regular check ups as I trusted them but not the company they kept! 'Heterosexual or straight decreased from 94.6% in 2018 to 93.7% in 2019'' but this is mainly in the youth & lesbians obfuscate this figure considerably. When the Uk is compared to most western nations like the USA Germany or France you will realize the Uk is rather traditional & that it is only the upper class & new comers are homosexual with exceptions of course. Ask the average British born male what they think of Gays & you will probably get an insulting threat about shanking them. The Mainstream media & the toffs in charge can claim the contrary to reality of Britain including London but ask the average Brit what they think as it is not positive or neutral at best!

@arnijulian6241 22 дня назад

@PekkaErareika 17 дней назад

I personally don't like the pride movement. But history is history. Also what's up with the accent? :DD

@LordRevan-vi2op 16 дней назад

@PekkaErareika there’s several things wrong with that pfp 💀

@CzechMateTraining 5 дней назад

How come homosexuality wasn’t defined until 19th century. It is clearly defined in the bible from 2000 years before already.

@SPACENECK40IN 22 дня назад

rainbow seamen

@nathaniel_fern4207 22 дня назад

You’ve made my day captain 🫡

@elocxv 19 дней назад

Goddamnit

@PekkaErareika 17 дней назад

"Gay" laddies ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

@WalldoTheWInner 22 дня назад

I was really hoping the term "butt pirate" would be uttered in this video, and goddammit, you delivered

@GoldandGunpowder 21 день назад

personally I prefer "rump rogue"

@edwardnormal 14 дней назад

It's one of my favorite terms in Dutch because it also rhymes: "bilnaad piraat" = buttcrack pirate

@angela_merkeI 22 дня назад

Now that I am re-entering my bi-annual maritime phase I am so glad to be treated with a hour-long video by you!

@retardgorrilanigler522 17 дней назад

More like bi anal LOL

@QberryShortcake 4 часа назад

heh. bi---annual.

@spamman9327 22 дня назад

That bone on that thumbnail flag is looking quite hard might I say

@AntonEugeneLanthier 18 дней назад

"Why are butt pirates, butt pirates? They just arrrrgh."

@orksy2935 15 дней назад

"Fruits!"

@AntonEugeneLanthier 15 дней назад

@@orksy2935 nice someone got it

@LadyTylerBioRodriguez 22 дня назад

Anytime I see someone claim Anne Bonny and Mary Read are lesbians, I die a little. This is coming from a misunderstanding of theatrical tropes within A General History of the Pyrates, and from a one sentence section from the 1725 rip off, History and Lives of Notorious Pyrates. That says they were lovers, but its so sloppily written that its hard to gauge meaning. Jump forward to the 1910s when the famous sexologist Magnus Hirshfeld just casually says Mary Read was a lesbian, and the 1970s when feminist Susan Baker wrote an article for The Furies Magazine amusingly titled, Anne Bonny and Mary Read They Killed Pricks. After that its just basically looping itself over and over. Utterly bizarre, and of course very much not true.

@GAIVSCALIGVLA 22 дня назад

They were lesbians and I won’t hear otherwise. Source: I made it up in my own sexual fantasy.

@TaRAAASHBAGS 22 дня назад

Modernity is so brainrotted and hypersexualized they think any close relationship is sexual. Look how dirty these degenerate professors did the reputation of Ancient Greece.

@mikebryant614 22 дня назад

It was my understanding that both Reade and Bonny pleaded for leniency due to pregancy during their Trials, and at least one of them is confirmed to have delivered , quite the feat for a Lesbian.

@LadyTylerBioRodriguez 22 дня назад

@@mikebryant614 Actually umm, both claimed to be pregnant, but this was so common of the era, it was actually very easy to fake being pregnant by the nature of Jury of Matron examinations. Read definitely died in April 1721, of what who knows. No mention of any children baptized or buried at the time. Its a real open question.

@mikebryant614 22 дня назад

@@LadyTylerBioRodriguez I agree ,bonny did go on to have children after her father bought her release but if one of them was from during the trial time i dont know , i found this bit about Read after a google search "did mary read have children" but it isnt definitive : " Answer and Explanation: Possibly none. Mary Read was not executed because of a pregnancy, but she died of a fever on April 28, 1721. She is believed to have died with her child or shortly after giving birth, which the child may not have survived."

@presidenttogekiss635 7 дней назад

I'm not gonna lie, I laughed at the idea that one of the words for being a homosexual in old france meant "to be a bulgarian" lol

@sirhcsnomde2002 День назад

Oh how the tables turn don't most people say that about the French now XD or is that just an American thing 🤔

@alexrexaros9837 19 дней назад

I just wanted to say that "Borgnefesse" is two words. "Borge" indeed means "One-eyedness", but "Fesse" means... Well, buttcheek.

@flyingsquirrell6953 22 дня назад

Ight guys we’re watching the hour long video on queer pirates.

@matthewwyman1581 19 дней назад

Ight lgbt

@cr4ckp1dgeon 12 дней назад

Yar har, queen

@ArrowsInTheMoon 22 дня назад

Thumbnail goes hard though

@SpoopySquid 22 дня назад

Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate 🏳️‍🌈🏴‍☠️

@SUNNYDINTHEREAL 22 дня назад

Have you read through Sodomy Punish’d? I thought it was very interesting. It’s the translation of a dutch diary from a sailor marooned for sodomy.

@GoldandGunpowder 21 день назад

discussed in the video

@roelantverhoeven371 22 дня назад

around 30 minutes it is said the low countries were especially antagonistic towards sodomy not the right wording... the netherlands (the calvinist republic) were, but the austrian netherlands (Belgium and Luxembourg) were not, in fact Belgium was the among the first countries to decriminalize homosexuality when it laid down it's constitution in 1830. while the netherlands, indeed, kept it punishable to the 1950's!

@Alex-cw3rz 22 дня назад

1:56 I think a great example of how different it was to now or the victorian era, was a very popular song from around 1730 till 100 years later called Black Joke, black joke meant female genitalia. With the main refrain being "Her black joke and her belly so white" the song was bascially a comedy song about the best lady of the night in the world and all the funny things her clients got up to including some clients who it would have been socially unacceptable to be with her. They even HMS Black Joke, so even navy ships were named after the song. It would be the equalivant of calling a ship today USS WAP and nobody even giving it a second thought

@SomasAcademy 22 дня назад

~13:16 This translation of Tacitus is dubious: it comes from 1910, during a period when it was very common for translators to use contemporary euphemisms for what they percieved as references to homosexuality - the taboo around discussing homosexuality at the time frequently led to translators sliding the word "unnatural" into places where it didn't originally appear as a euphemism. The Latin term translated as "unnatural prostitutes" is "corpores infames," literally "infamous bodies" or "those viewed unfavorably with relation to their bodies" (though the use of "corpores" here may also be appearing more in the sense that we would say "infamous people" as opposed to just "the infamous," rather than modifying the meaning of the phrase. Aren't linguistics fun?). This has been interpreted by some as meaning "men who disgrace their bodies," which was in turn interpreted as "homosexuals" or more specifically "homosexual prostitutes" by some 19th-20th century readers, as seen in that translation. However, while the term "infames" at times referred to prostitutes, it had a wide variety of other uses including those that worked with corpses, slaves, gladiators, and actors, among others. The term "corpores infames" in particular was even used to describe military deserters by Livy. So, there's a possibility that this text referred to prostitution in some way, but the meaning has been subject to a lot of scholarly debate, as it could have referred to those who fell outside of social norms in a broader sense, or it may have implied people who were unfit to participate in war for some reason (which may explain why it is grouped together with "ignavos" (the cowardly/lazy) and "imbelles" (the unwarlike), given in that 1910 translation as "cowards and sluggards"). It is therefore highly debatable whether this passage was ever intended to refer to the Germanic treatment of homosexuals or male prostitutes at all, in addition to the reliability of Tacitus' presentation of Germanic society being questionable, as mentioned in the video. Damn that's a lot of words about a tiny part of the video with minimal significance to the point lol

@draskk3471 6 дней назад

Responding to that last bit, like dude says in the video, welcome to history

@lc1138 22 дня назад

Hey ! If I may add an ingredient to your already very honourable pronounciation of french words : the final e is mute, unless it's a é. "Bougre" can be read "bougr". Generally speaking, the last letter of a word is mute, or can at most transform the pronounciation of the second-to-last. These letters generally an artifact from the latin or germanic roots of the word. For instance, the sentence "j'ai raté" ("I missed") would have the final e pronounced exactly as you did with "bougre" in the video. (wich would read "bougré", which is a form I don't think it existed.) Whereas in "je rate" ("I miss", or "I'm missing") "rate" would be pronounced almost exactly like the english "rat". (The final t sounds.) (And of course, "rat" in french (the classic rodent) would be pronounced "ra" like the egyptian god. Unless you name him Rê, or Ré but I'm out of my depth here.) You've already got it totally accurate for Olivier Levasseur ("Olivier" = "olivié" and "Levasseur" with the final r pronounced. Yeah the "r" is an exception to the generality above. Yeah I know my language is not intended to be read at all. Only makes me appreciate your efforts even more. It would take me a big time to get as fluent in Swedish as you are in French) (And of course I'm speaking about modern french. If you have any specific information about it being different in old french, I'm eager to learn :p )

@internetkurator9256 26 дней назад

Very interesting aspect, thank you

@shyguy54321 22 дня назад

I mean... they were sailors

@beauwhitlock5034 5 дней назад

“Worst of all, he was a catholic” 😂😂😂

@freddenker9537 4 дня назад

wow 50 % of all RCC Priests ar gay say Insiders in Vatican ...Homoluja Amen

@erikm8372 19 дней назад

I play Irish music (fiddle, tin whistle), and there’s actually an older song called "I Am A Maid That Sleeps In Love"-which you can find on YT recorded by the band Solas-and its lyrics provide a small glimpse into a homoerotic captain… in a way. Long story short, a boy-crazy girl (or young woman?) follows her "love" aboard a ship he's leaving on, by simply dressing as a sailor boy, and being recruited by the captain! I’m assuming it’s a pirate ship, or something "non-sanctioned", because she is so easily is recruited, while disguised as a male. I don’t know that the navy would be that easy to infiltrate. They’d probably have fully nude strip searches and physicals. Not saying a pirate ship would be any easier to infiltrate, but just comparatively speaking. That’s how obsessive she was. She says she’ll cut off her "yellow locks" and "men’s clothing I’ll wear-on". She ends up being recruited on the same vessel as her boy, dressed as a boy. Then somehow, apparently, 'his' (her) bed is in the captain’s quarters? Or very close… or the captain snuck in to whisper this to 'him': _The very first night that the Captain laid down on his bed to sleep, these very words he said to me: "I wish you were a maid…your cherry cheeks and ruby lips, they’ve often enticed me… I wish to the gods, unto my heart, a maid you were to me."_ So… sexual tension at sea (already on the first night?!) apparently caused this captain to begin noticing the "Ruby lips" and "cherry cheeks" of his fellow shipmates… and this one just so happened to be a female, in disguise. Wonder what else he was noticing and wishing for…

@gencreeper6476 13 дней назад

Actually easy enough to infiltrate that several women did disguise themselves as men and join navies and armies back then. A small percentage might have been what we call "trans FtM" there was one veteran who lived as a man his whole life and only was discovered to have been born female really late while in the process of dying of old age but most of them only took on a male persona to get around legal restrictions and immediately went back to living as women when they were finished needing their male character.

@oldbrokensqueezebox 21 день назад

Really nice video, sometimes people can speculate and theorize reading so deep into possible evidence for something that they can miss a whole plethora of information and what it might have to offer to the topic at hand. As always you do a great job sharing a lot of information and using it to form a little reasonable speculation which is why I love your videos. 👍

@conorvaughan9870 21 день назад

This is the content we need !! Thank you

@user-go2sx9vc2r 22 дня назад

Bugger also means scoundrel in English.

@questprotector 6 дней назад

any ho-, uh, i mean any port in a storm! 😂

@julzy3 18 дней назад

"Before getting into the thick, juicy meat of the video..."😂

@Saastapukki 22 дня назад

Interesting topic that is not often covered in detail.

@piro_agua1363 7 дней назад

Absolutely wonderful video, as always.

@simonpayne8252 22 дня назад

Any port in a storm

@Asheanae 21 день назад

Truly exemplary work!

@istandwithiran 22 часа назад

Very much interesting, thank you for the video. Subscribed!

@Pootycat8359 20 дней назад

Q: WHY couldn't Oscar Wilde have written the "Canterbury Tales"? A: Because, everybody KNOWS, that, "BUGGERS can't be CHAUCERS!"

@howardp.lovecraft4499 16 дней назад

In one video you've explained the pirates' sexual life and the origin of the word "Arrr!". 10 out of 10 video.

@jamesdewanca 11 часов назад

Vasco de Gama apparently had adolescent boys on his ships

@PrincessMadeira 22 дня назад

Have you looked at "Unruly Desires: American Sailors and Homosexualities in the Age of Sail"? I found it very interesting

@troychambliss784 6 дней назад

WOW ! My gaydar has always thought Pirates had red flags for this very reason. I was too afraid to mention it. I'm glad you did.

@unknowntrooper_2791 25 дней назад

Very nice and balanced look in this topic! I hope it stays monetized but it is indeed risky. Have to add that while I see pirate society of inherently "straight" at the onset, there were indeed these elements out there sometimes a bit different from this. I must say there is perhaps something a bit sexual in some of the pirate punishments for example, like sweating half naked men while stabbing their butts with sword or humiliations like marooning naked (of course the wanted to steal the stuff), mutilations, cannibalism etc. more humiliation or sadism of course but also a bit kinky at times too when you look at it. I do not mean here to associate people with different sexuality automatically to these kind of things, of course, but still there is perhaps something kinky repressed or expressed there somewhere at least. Anyway one has to be careful not to read too much into it. Cheers!

@dorkeboye 3 дня назад

Thanks I always wondered this

@wyvern4248 13 дней назад

Hi will you / have you done a video on the navies and how they operated/ countered piracy? My interest is in the British in particular but i would like to know about the others too Thanks!

@RyderFlo 21 день назад

Nice video as always, pretty original and interesting topic, on a very smaller note as a french i just wanted to say that I appreciate the efforts in the french prononciation and I perfectly understand your english but I'm allowing myself to clarify a little bit the way of spelling "bougre", it's perfeclty fine except for the end, the "e" is'nt prononced "é" or english "a" but is kind of like the american way of saying "u" in "hum" if that can help.

@Recomagne 6 дней назад

If only I could force my friends to watch this video every time they start debating about “gay” stuff in history

@TheHallow31 20 дней назад

Would you be open to reviewing Netflix's "Lost Pirate Kingdom" docu-series and judging its historical accuracy?

@youtubesenior654 2 дня назад

48:48 "But, that´s just a theory, a gay theory" dunno why but that was pretty funny ngl

@vaughangarrick 3 часа назад

It would explain how the word fanny changed from England to America

@RabidPancakeDisorder 22 дня назад

0:44 That image is from a shanty, lol. Stormfrun-All Hands.

@JSBachXIV 5 дней назад

Arrrrgh! Is that yer yard-arm, or er ye just happy to SEE me?

@stcredzero 21 день назад

Barry Richard Burg was merely projecting about his Barry Richard Bung.

@lilmilky 9 дней назад

if you wanna see some pirate sex on film, the closest i'd say exists is that Oliver Reed Greco-Roman wrestling scene in the movie Women In Love, they got the mustaches and beards right.

@cesarbugarini499 23 часа назад

29:54 a phem😭😂😂😂😂😂💅 we got our ways

@chissstardestroyer 14 дней назад

Well, mind you: pirates *were* basically aquatic mobsters, in the very *literal* sense; and that also means, when you factor in the personality of the being that is *actually* the founder of organized crime (their lifestyle description to a T); the first thing taken away and destroyed is the *morals* of those who fall into its custody; the reason for this is reflected in the approach vectors of the dictators of the Eastern Bloc in the mid-twentieth-century AD: they'd remove anything at all that could possibly enable resistance to them. Well, what enables resistance to Hell's Red Tsar *besides* virtues? NOTHING! So of course they'd very rapidly lose all their morals; you cannot persist in virtue if say you're living as a career robber and a member of organized crime, your "owner" as they'd know from commonly available literature of the day, quite well at that, won't allow *that* to be persisted in! If they *weren't* lewd initially, it did NOT last long; and ironically the loot that Ed Teach/Blackbeard extorted from Charleston SC actually backs that up, he didn't demand *any* money, what he *did* demand is a very *precise medicine* for very *specific* health problems: namely STDs, meaning that a surprisingly high number of his men had gone to brothels to visit their crooked "girlfriends" and had contracted *sexually* transmitted diseases. Now in the psychology predominant in the worldview of those days that he himself and his fellow gangsters were running away from: *STDs* are a very shameful trait to contract, it is pretty much proof that you fooled around somehow in regard to marriage, which's a VERY shameful act, and rightly so!

@Julian-tf5rb 2 дня назад

Back in the old days, all different kinds of people were drawn into piracy on the high seas. While 'buggery' was an illegal act, pirates, however, were unlikely to have enforced the law. It's likely that some pirate crews would have had a gay sexual culture. Wooden sailing ships of the time would have been a perfect setting for it.

@otakunthevegan4206 22 дня назад

Imagine being choosing a life on a hot humid piece of wood floating in the ocean stuck with 50 other men who share a close space together, I am shocked people would even wonder if gay pirates existed because statistically it's impossible for them not to. Reminds me of the people moaning about gay cowboys being a thing.

@Jenna_Talia 22 дня назад

To add: Stuck with 50+ hot and sweaty men who also are beholden to no laws, who also understand that this day might be their last.

@arnijulian6241 22 дня назад

Most didn't choose it as they were often press ganged or criminals that wanted a way out of the gallows! I bet even your idea of a cow boy is Hollywood or some tosh. Most cowboys by ethnicity were native Americans/Amerindians & cowboys wore bowler hats most often as the cowboy hat didn't exist for most of the wild west. John B. Stetson in 1849 hat for added protection from Sun & the rain was not initially popular but by the late & early 19th century you got the hat holly wood would put on everyone. Even the most common side arm of prospectors & cowboys was a cheap simple pepperbox as who would spend 1/2 a years wages on a fancy new colt revolver? The revolvers that were used were normally muzzle loaded so not much more useful then a pepperbox. A pepperbox or muzzle revolver was adequate self protection as most were not looking to get in a shoot out!

@vorynrosethorn903 22 дня назад

Depends on wider context, it was probably a thing among pirates, but the lack of privacy and spectrum of attitudes towards it probably restricted it greatly. Cowboys were contact labour in a time fairly strong condemnation towards such actions, they had a fairly firm hand taken against them in work, the reputation for lawlessness comes from when they would take their pay packet and unwind in town, as it was the end of the contact the discipline and hierarchy of the job was gone as they were no longer considered employed until they took a new contact, their employers wanted to get cattle to market, once there the interest was financial, in not chasing former employees out of brothels. It probably happened, but unless they were extremely short staffed in addition to extraordinary indifference the people involved would probably have been lost their job, or at the very least blacklisted from ever working with them again. Given the isolation honestly they were as likely to kill the offender and bury them as to be tolerant, that would have much the same problem of the fact you would soon have a bunch of drunken ex employees around town with nothing much to discuss other than manufacturing disputes and any gossip from work more interesting than the colour of cows. You most certainly did not want to risk your reputation with buyers. Cowboys were one of the professions in the old west least amenable to such actions, due to attracting romantics it might have had some, but to be honest they would have had a better time in the army, as high desertion rates meant that the main priority with garrison troops was retaining a suitably strong force until relieved, the reality however was that the thing the were mostly lenient with was laziness as lazy soldiers often couldn't be as bothered to abscond if they heard of opportunities, during the gold rush many border forts were ironically only maintained by Hispanic troops as they were the one's who didn't make an immediate beeline for California as soon as word was heard that fortunes were to be made.

@harbinger200 21 день назад

Thats modern fantasy.

@abraxas4261 17 дней назад

Lmao a Helluva Boss pfp would comment this

@Dullahan161 10 дней назад

Don't tell Disney

@Pootycat8359 20 дней назад

14:33 "...[A]nd the choir boys, of course." Ah, there's "Nothing new, under the Sun," as the saying goes!

@TrajGreekFire 22 дня назад

Nothing about black pirates from west africa given their islamic or pagan origins?

@iainmelville9411 22 дня назад

As we say here in Australia, “ Well, I’ll be bugged!”

@jill-ti7oe 22 дня назад

Harpsichord was quite enjoyable. A question: Musicians and their instruments, fiddles of course, and flutes. What about keyboards and small orchestras?

@GoldandGunpowder 22 дня назад

Laurens de Graaf was allegedly accompanied by a small orchestra ashore, probably including seaborne instruments(trumpets, drums, fiddles, flutes, maybe hurdy-gurdy). Harpischords and keyboards would've been too large and heavy to have aboard most ships, but most importantly fragile. If they get hit by a cannon you'd have splinters everywhere, and it's not like cutlery which you can hide away during combat. So I wouldn't bring one aboard and I haven't heard about it being done.

@jill-ti7oe 22 дня назад

@@GoldandGunpowder TY.

@mmedujard 21 день назад

@@GoldandGunpowderplus in the humid and changing climate on sea a harpsichord would get out of tune (I don't know the proper English term) in no time...

@mmedujard 21 день назад

@@GoldandGunpowderin "Peter Simple" by Frederick Marryat the wife of one captain has a piano on board and plays it very badly 😂 he was a contemporary of the napolenic wars and so I guess a lot of the stuff he wrote has a grain of truth in it.

@m.streicher8286 22 дня назад

This is a A Bruno Powroznik classic

@thecreweofthefancy 22 дня назад

Dang youtube didn't like this one. I have the bell set for your channel and it never told me.

@GoldandGunpowder 22 дня назад

Might be but the channel hasn't been performing well overall lately so I think it just lost steam and YT stops recommending it. Mostly caused by the Madagascar video and preceding ones getting a lot of traction and then ppl losing interest after the armor and Levasseur episodes.

@monkstery 22 дня назад

@@GoldandGunpowderactual tragedy that the Levasseur video wasn’t more popular, it was awesome and for some reason pirate biography videos are massively popular pretty much anywhere else on RU-vid

@AulusClaudiusNero 19 дней назад

@@GoldandGunpowder Shadiversity recently made a series of videos where he talks about a change in the algorithm affecting channels that used to be popular and suddenly stopped being recommended, which is hurting small content creators by limiting them largely to subscribers. If there's no clear reason you can see for the drop (not just a point in time when it started, but for example a very negative reaction to a video) it's quite possible you've been hit by that same phenomenon.

@GoldandGunpowder 18 дней назад

my subscribers barely watch my videos, it's mostly external viewers

@thecreweofthefancy 18 дней назад

@GoldandGunpowder my buddy PAbackwoods noticed that while I was in prison I kept getting new subs and he, putting out videos every day remained stagnant. RU-vid is weird.

@WabbyDoo 22 дня назад

Argh! happy pride month!

@GoldandGunpowder 22 дня назад

A thousand gratitudes for yer pittance sire

@KrusherMike 14 дней назад

I never thought I'd hear "Butt pirate" used outside of primary school. I'm admittedly a bit shocked to see it holding relevance in an earnest conversation. Is this the full circle we've come to? I feel like we accomplished something here.

@8greateight8 11 дней назад

😂😂😭 u the greatest

@EuTrabalhoParaSagres510 18 дней назад

"Hello Pirate... Why are you gay?"

@markwiygul6356 День назад

Just because history doesn't mention something during a particular period doesn't mean it didn't exist. Taking going to the bathroom. In certain periods it's never talked about, but we can assume they did it because it's a natural function. The same thing applies toward law enforcement: just because one period shows a high conviction rate and another period shows low rates doesn't mean the acts are lower. It only means that conviction is lower. Take traffic law enforcement. During the 70s we see statistics showing lots of speeding tickets. During the 2010s we see statistics of few speeding tickets. However, judging by data from traffic flow monitors, we see that there was actually a greater tendency to speed when the enforcement was lower. One highway monitored showed 98% of drivers speeding excessively. Yet, there was very little enforcement, with tickets only given after accidents happened, or if an officer witnessed the driver performing other illegal stunts or dangerous stunts while also speeding. Human instinct towards sexuality probably hasn't changed since ancient times. Ancient Philosophers explained these instincts with much less political, cultural or social laws pressing them to bend reality and twist the truth around. The same held true for Science, especially among the Ancient Greeks, who invented Geography and mathematically explained the Globe of the Earth to a GREATER precision that was known by Christopher Columbus thousands of years later. The same holds true for Human Sexuality as a Science. We're totally still in the dark ages of the Medieval Period as far was understanding goes, still in the dark due to requirements of law and culture. The fact is that those Pirates never considered themselves gay, as an identity, they just understood themselves to be regular males. And, in fact, they were. Sexuality is only abnormal when it's done as rape or molestation. Otherwise, it's normal for males to be attracted to Eros, and if Eros lusts for them, after courtship, then it's natural to have the relationship consummated, and it's natural for the viral male to protect his beauty queen from harm, protect and educate beloved offspring, or to mentor the beauty queen if needed.

@VemiX1000 3 дня назад

Cmoooon, worst kept secret. Everyone pretending how there was no "Shivering of timbers" on that "booty" . A bit of friendly boarding actionn between consenting cutthroats to pass the time

@TheHaughtyOsprey 18 дней назад

Just couldnt resist, could you?

@dankurth4232 10 дней назад

Their sexual practices may have been influenced by … supply and demand … with supply the more determinant factor

@oscarvasquez6806 2 дня назад

Gay people have existed everywhere since the beginning of time. They just didn't talk about it.

@mcaptain97301 4 дня назад

Joining the military brings many out of the closet. After WWII, many gay soldiers moved to New York or San Francisco.

@bumboy5348 4 дня назад

Clearly a topic that warrants an hour long video

@afwalker1921 9 дней назад

Yar, mateys! Part yer nates!!! Ugh-gug-gug-gug-gug!

@burtonlewis8119 8 дней назад

Wasn't Augustine a known homosexual?

@tonywade7473 18 дней назад

SEAMAN!!!!!

@mentallychallenging 17 дней назад

all i can think is the people that want to try to use the past to identify with them now sexually probably wouldnt if they did even a little research

@TachibanaSumitomo 15 дней назад

Some Chinese pirates were also gay, it is said that they love boys because they rarely see women all year round. The famous Chinese pirate Cheng I kidnapped 15-year-old Cheung Po Tsai in 1798, it is said that Cheng I fell in love with Cheung Po Tsai because of his good looks, and later adopted him as his adopted son. (This is a rumor. I don’t know if Cheng I really fell in love with him.)

@grungeisdead8998 22 дня назад

Lmfao 😂 the character of captain jack sparrow never struck me as “gay” or “homosexual”

@GoldandGunpowder 22 дня назад

me neither but google "jack sparrow gay" and you'll find all the popular enough opinions you need for evidence

@dannydanny2789 21 день назад

He's flamboyant, but not in a zesty way, more like a pimp or something.

@cronykil74 20 дней назад

There's a bit in the last film where he's encouraging one of the female characters to keep getting undressed, so not sure he is gay. He's probably bi.

@JohnSmith-kp7yr 20 дней назад

@@GoldandGunpowderperverted sodomite redditors casting their perversion onto everything

@GoldandGunpowder 20 дней назад

not exactly, Johnny Depp himself was allegedly open to the character being gay before the movie, and Disney were close to cancelling him specifically because he was "too gay"

@talonanthony 2 дня назад

Seamen like seamen 💦

@bravoyankee1632 22 дня назад

A book I read that has most of the myths including this one, is “Under the black Flag.” It’s very interesting that no accurate book has been written on the subject, only exaggerations and legends

@user-wj1kg8qo3p 20 дней назад

I was going to say i thought pirates were one of the parts of history where the homosexuality is played up, not down.

@VictorCruz-sp3ro 16 дней назад

Being that they were British, it wouldn't surprise me.

@elocxv 19 дней назад

This explains a lot….

@Crowborn 22 дня назад

Hello LGBTQ community

@ajkleipass 12 дней назад

My take on this is that, absent "morality", sex is just seen as a biological need and function. Yeah, it can be fun too, but mostly when you need to release that sexual tension, they went with whatever was available that also turned them on to get them off. Maybe they preferred other men, or maybe they didn't care who (or what) they docked their dinghy in. Any port in a storm.

@Pootycat8359 20 дней назад

I believe buggery was much more common & accepted among seamen, than the narrator suggests, due to the famous quote of Admiral Lord Nelson, "Life in the Royal Navy consists of equal portions, of rum, sodomy, and the lash."

@monkstery 19 дней назад

lol that’s not even a real Nelson quote, it’s a joke Winston Churchill made

@Pootycat8359 19 дней назад

@@monkstery Shiver me timbers, I've been repeating that quote (with the proper accent, of course) for decades! The Irish folk/rock band, "The Pogues," even produced an album, "Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash." I'll have to check that out: Sir Winston was very knowledgeable concerning history, so I don't think he would have simply made it up!

@GutterJon 17 дней назад

Happy pride month

@lloydgush 20 дней назад

They were pirates, they did whatever they wanted and could get away with.

@The_ZeroLine 21 день назад

Is this where the term butt 🏴‍☠️ came from? Edit: You literally addressed that within 15 seconds of the start. And this is an unworthy post for how intelligent your analysis is.

@dannydanny2789 21 день назад

Did gay pirates become a trope nowadays? Looks like I'm way behind the current zeitgeist lol. An interesting topic nevertheless

@CORRADOCAMERONI 2 дня назад

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@nicolasnamed 8 дней назад

This comments section really brings out the more unsavory and butthurt fans of history. Just wait until they hear half of cowboys were people of color and many were gay! 😂

@WoebringerofDoom 5 дней назад

Can you please do a video of the fanny bandits next?

@harbinger200 22 дня назад

😂😂😂 Half of the comments i seen in last few minutes where deleted 😂😂😂😂

@GoldandGunpowder 22 дня назад

FYI I haven't and won't delete any comments. RU-vid usually filters out vulgar and explicit comments

@dartmart9263 22 дня назад

@@GoldandGunpowderWrong! They delete a lot more than just “vulgar or explicit comments”. By censoring dissenting voices, they manipulate the discussions, to tilt opinions in a certain direction.

@GoldandGunpowder 22 дня назад

i run 2 youtube channels so I have a thorough grasp on what kind of comments get published. "dissenting voices" don't get deleted and that is apparant if one reads the comments on any of my videos

@dartmart9263 22 дня назад

@@GoldandGunpowder I’ve had numerous civil dissenting comments deleted by RU-vid. Fact! The content creators claim it wasn’t them, so that only leaves RU-vid.

@harbinger200 22 дня назад

@@GoldandGunpowder No of course, YT AI is deleting them. They delete my pure historical comments, its quite insane.

@abraxas4261 17 дней назад

I'm reminded of seeing this one tweet by some fatherless minor snarkily expressing disbelief that historians didn't conclude two male skeletons found in the same bed on a sunken ship were homosexual lovers. People nowadays seem so hopelessly porn-addicted that some can't even fathom that people slept communally for most of human history. It wasn't uncommon to sleep in the same bed as virtual strangers.

@nicolasnamed 8 дней назад

Weird to view someone interpreting history as queer as porn addiction, like you're not even wrong per se but the way you phrase this tells me you're a huge dork who's chronically online, for the sake of your health man touch grass or even the mighty sea what kind of serious person gets mad at minors on Twitter 😂😂😂 Thank you for the laugh, my good man

@user-dv5pr5ut7j 22 дня назад

Happy pride month, folks!

@Private-Potato 22 дня назад

Yarr! Happy pride month, mateys.

@2012asand 22 дня назад

👎🤮

@spyrofrost9158 22 дня назад

Yikes.

@benjamindover6408 22 дня назад

Happy pride month 💜💜💜

@grim7965 14 дней назад

Happy Dino month!!!

@Crabby303 21 день назад

No mention of bagpiping. boo.

@gencreeper6476 15 дней назад

Wasnt heterosexual vaginal intercourse without the purpose of children (ie wearing protection) technically considered a minor sin as well?

@cmbaileytstc 21 день назад

*Sigh* Why is this an hour video when it could be just as profitably reduced to ONE word- “Sometimes”

@GoldandGunpowder 21 день назад

because the purpose is not to answer the question, any one of my videos can be reduced to less than a minute, but that is not why they're watched

@JM-rp5lo 15 дней назад

Because the video, despite what the title says, actually isn't asking if pirates were gay, because that's a stupid question, it's actually a video about the topic of Sodomy in the Age of Pirates. . . which has an hour of information.

@draskk3471 6 дней назад

Mate how many historical documentaries are titled as questions? This is a place to share information and give context to the realities of the period and the available evidence. History and life itself rarely operates in black and white, so nuance is required to properly inform the viewer. Ya clicked on a history video my guy.