What Are the Falcons Doing Drafting Michael Penix? | The Bill Simmons Podcast 

Nice opinion. Now cite all those "accounts" of Rodgers being a good mentor!

@@SalaciousBCrumb-md3lk Jordan Love himself. Literally in the last month there was a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article that quoted him as saying he had a great relationship with him.

@@revengeofthedrivein that's for public consumption. Just trying not to get his quote in the headlines

@@johnruplinger2449so is his support to cite Love’s private DMs like wtf are you asking for ?

Yes I’m glad someone pointed that out. The real jerk was Brett Favre when Rodgers got drafted and Rodgers is on record saying he didn’t want to do that to Jordan Love even though he was upset with the pick.

You're highly naive to think they're sitting Penix for 3 or 4 years. Most likely Cousins will be traded in 2025.

As a Bears fan, I am so glad they took Penix.

As a Bears fan, I am so glad they took Penix.

I remember and in Cousins case it made sense because he fell to the 4th round when he was viewed as a possible 2nd rounder and pro ready at the time. Imagine had Washington done something like sign Philip RIvers that offseason with all their money to a 4 year contract and then drafted Cousins top 10. This is what that would be like. It may easily be the worse pick ever.

It’s crazy to me that people who sit on their couch watching football think they know better than GM’s and scouts who have internal and institutional knowledge on their own teams 😂

@@johnnycash8567the sign of a dummy is that he just blindly accepts what the guy with credentials tells him 😂

@@johnnycash8567guess there’s never been a single bad draft pick in history then. And also every other GM and scout must all agree with the pick.

@@Bobbleheads56 no jacka$$ of course gm’s and scouts get it wrong. But they’ve dedicated their life to this process so if they can get it wrong what makes you think you know better than them? Tell me your track record of picking players out of college, I’ll wait…

@@tomcustis9272 what’s your track record of scouting player out of college? Why aren’t u getting paid millions if you’re so smart?

Did you not see their QB situation since Matt Ryan left? 🤨

Falcons fan here what QB have the Bucs ever drafted and your QB is on his 4th team glass houses

@@wilbertbarrett433they will be screaming trade baker half way through the season lol watch. He had an ok season now they think they have their guy

@@wilbertbarrett433Your drafted QB blew a 28-3 lead

Arthur smith is the Steelers oc now

@@johnmichael734 my fault. His last name is Blank. Lol

I think this is the opposite of going all in, it is a pick to help in the future instead of pushing for now with the plan tomorrow's problems for tomorrow's me.

Go all in on a back up in the first round? That’s what going all in is? I thought going all in was addressing an immediate starter need.

This is the opposite of all in. WTF?

Kirk Cousins is an adequate QB, but coming off a serious injury. We know Cousins upside, and Penix has much higher upside. Cousins can be traded as well if Penix has it.

@@cyberftWas Penix projected to go as high as this?

@@cyberft if Kirk goes as well as they planned when they signed him, then they have a first round pick on the bench of 2-3 years for a possible playoff roster. If Penix ends up hitting, then u have 100m wasting away on the bench of a playoff roster. Mind u the team had any defensive player in the draft to choose from on a defense that needs talent

@@jordancaselberry3223 no guarantee you’ll be able to get a franchise QB later, especially if you are no longer picking at the top of the draft. Cousins is 35 as well, probably doesn’t have much left.

@@cyberftbut why pay him them? That’s what makes the least amount of sense to me personally, why would they have paid him what they did if they were always going to draft a QB?

😂

Yeah and how many of those super bowls were during strike years? They literally made a movie about how much of a joke the league was the year the redskins won a Super Bowl.

@@Joes35Two of them. While he might not be the single best, it doesn’t mean Gibbs didn’t get a lot out of what he had in those years. Would ranking him fourth or fifth be fair?

I say fifth best NFL coach ever. Three Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks and running backs, and as you said, an appearance in the 1986 NFC Championship Game with a fourth quarterback. Four different running backs too on those teams. I would say only Lombardi, Belichick, Walsh, and maybe Shula are above Gibbs. Excellent coach though, more than deservedly made the 100th anniversary team, and I’d say fifth best coach ever.

If he stuck around to do more. He wasn't just a winner, he innovated. First with Coryell, then on his own in DC. I never understood why he didn't get his type QB. One knock on him is that he blew Tampa's chances, when they had the best defense.

If that was their plan all along it makes me think maybe belichick turned the Down

The same bill that wanted to replace Brady with Jimmy G and drafted Mac Jones?

“You know, a lot of people go to college for seven years.” “I know, they’re called doctors.”

Penix didn’t play as a freshman he redshirted. They both played 5 yrs. Bo nix is still OLDER that’s pretty odd huh

​@@hueyhoopin You're playing a game of semantics. "Older" by 3 months, they're practically the same age

@@laythefoundation2083yea but he’s still older the original post would lead you to believe penix is older. It lacks context

Same thing as Stetson Bennett and the qb from Tennessee last year. Hint: skin color

The age thing is far less important than the money aspect. What is the biggest benefit of hitting on a rookie QB? It’s having them for cheap for their first 5 seasons. Once you pay them top dollar, all the surplus value gets washed away (unless they are among the 2-3 elite QBs in the league). That’s why this pick is dumb. At best you’re only getting Penix’s production (assuming he’s good) cheaply for 2 years. Plus, for this pick to make sense you basically have to believe that Penix is, by far, the best QB you will have the opportunity to draft over the next 3 years (which is something I struggle to believe). Because the timing to take a QB would obviously be much better in ‘25, ‘26, or ‘27 since that corresponds more to when Kirk will be exiting, allowing you to enjoy more of the benefits of a QB’s rookie contract.

I get what you're saying but isn't Penix also an injury risk after two ACL tears?

@@chrischancellor7372 Fair enough. But maybe they're hoping as a younger guy he'll be a little more durable? I don't know. I still think it's a terrible choice. I'm just throwing a guess out there.

@@brianlaughran3941 yeah that makes sense. I liked Penix and think he may be a pretty good pro, I just think they overcommitted on money to Cousins even if it's only two years guaranteed. They could have pulled off the exact same plan, made the same pick, only opting for a cheaper option to be the starter for this year and (possibly) next. Guess we're all guessing until we see how it plays out.

Why would Minnesota trade to 8 when they got the qb the prefer further down the board at ten.

No they couldn’t of, other teams were trying to trade into the top 10 for penix

Dak is better than Cousins

@@Watchingvideoslikeu at running the ball and that’s about it…. Same dude

I agree with some of what you are saying and would agree more if this was a late 1st round pick like Rodgers with Favre and Love with Rodgers. But this was the 8th pick of the draft with Odunze and Turner on the board. Also, in 3 years Penix will be 27 going in 28 and nearing his 5th year option without ever playing? May work out down the road, but right now it is a mess.

What did they tamper with?

@@eincan1313 well, yeah, fundamentally I dont think anyone would have evaluated Penix as a top 10 let alone 1st round QB talent (I know I didn't), but the Viking did. So either they know something we don't or Penix just fits we are looking at a lot of unknown variables. As for your second point, I don't necessarily consider it a mess, they didnt need another X WR and London & Odunze wouldn't be happy being the Z (and we all know how fun a disgruntled WR can be). Turner likely would have be best for most people, but they still have the 43rd pick with Kneeland, Brasswell, Adisa, Austin Booker, Elliss, Trice, Newton, Fiske, Jenkins, Maason Smith and any LB of their pick still on the board As for Cousins, the 100m guaranteed for a older QB coming off a torn Achilles kind of makes sense now. That was STFU money, so when they did this and he was pissed they could tell him to STFU and cry into a pile of money they gave him lmao

@@fortynights1513 Google ; Vikings, Kirk Cousin, Tampering Case

It’ll never be the smartest because if in a few years when Penix is 40 and finally starting JJ will be 25 and not even in his physical prime yet. Rome Odunze will be a pro bowl WR, and Cousins will still be stealing millions from a team while throwing for 4,000 yards.

He’s terrible ??? That’s crazy assessment to have and he hasn’t even stepped on the field lol

You could say his skillset wouldn’t translate as well to the pros as some, but I would say Penix was a good college quarterback.

Lol. He left a better situation to go atl. Good riddance

Why did you sign him then? Just draft Penix.

Cousins was elite (a top 5 QB last year) Achilles might make him regress

Dude had 4 season ending injuries in college. That’s crazy 🤣 Shoulders and ACLs . That medical history is straight sin. His body will get you fired. RG3 2.0

dude is literally an entire college career older than JJ mccarthy and drake maye. He’s the same age as guys who have already signed 2nd contracts

You pass it up when you sign a qb to a massive contract. It’s just a bad team building move

​@cam8868 who the hell spends 100 mill on a bridge qb?

So the dozens of terrible white GMs in sports means..... 🤡

I personally don’t believe Cousin will be ready at the start of the season. Maybe the team found out after paying him imo

@@Taxthechurch then they should be fired for giving a guy 100 million who is still injured