@@theTechNotice ya I remember this amazing comparison, but it was with the 12900k + 3090 and it will be great to revisit this comparison with the 13900k + 4090!
Thank you so much for showing playback/timeline performance. Its absolutely far more important than render times, and all the reviewers only show render/encode times.
Wow, that i9-13900K is a beast for video editing! Handled 4K like a champ and even made a dent in 12K? That's nuts 🤯. Now I'm curious how this bad boy would do with 3D rendering. Any plans to test that out?
You did it with this one, but the biggest problem regarding footage is canon C200 RAW and R5 RAW. if you could always remember to include that in tests with Premiere Pro. That's often as extreme as you can go. And most people including me use that to determine the real power of the work station.
I'm a video editor and I'm working with adobe's app all the time. I'm planning to upgrade my old system I'm considering buying 12900k or new 13th gen maybe 13700k or greatest of it 13900k. That's OK for me but I don't know exactly how far can I benefit from DDR5 high speed ram instead of ddr4 in order get well performance as working heavy project on Premiere Pro or After Effects and so forth. Please someone explane exactly how much worth the money is purchinig DDR5 high-speed ram rather than DDR4 ram?
I agree everything or nearly everything is buttery-smooth. I upgraded from a 3770k (ivy bridge) to this angry 350 watt behemoth, and it's worth it. I don't need proxies anymore. My deciding factor against the 13900K vs Ryzen 7950X was the ram, 128GB of it. DDR5 pricing was out of the question : )
Dear Mr. TECH NOTICE. when editing Canon r5c raw video footage setting project to OpenCL instead of CUDA also engages IGPU on i7-13700K and i feel it edits much smoother from that moment on. i wish i knew this sooner :D and another thing when editing r5 RAW. plues there's more going on here. whenever you hit new file in timline CPU/GPU usage has a big jump and then it goes down for reminder of that file. im guessing some sort of debayering is going on everytime you hit a new file in timline. for a real world scenario with i7 13700k/4090 system you want to keep it 1/4 with openCL renderer. that gives the best result. p.s. canon raw is wonderful but peromance in premiere is abysmal.
For the RED footage, your NVIDIA GPU is doing the decode and debayer so it's not really a test of the iGPU. The compression level for the RED and Braw also matters. I've never shot Canon RAW so I can't speak to that codec.
Great tests, thanks a lot! BUT: simple video playback with hadware accelerated effects applied (yellow bar in timeline) do not really give the cpu a hard task. can someone tell me how this cpu perfomrs with cpu heavy effects applied?
Thank you very much for your work. Do you still have to connect a second Monitor to the internal graphics card of the Cpu to benefit from it or is it the mysterious graphics cable from the accessories of the z670 creator motherboard that is doing the job?
Great Day hope all is well. I'm wonder how to you have your premiere setup. I have the i9 13900 with the 4090 and my CPU goes to dang near %100 but the GPU is not being used during normal playback. I'm editing 8K VR footage from the R5. I'm wondering does some footage not engage the GPU? Did you change any graphic card or bio settings? I see yours is using the IGPU and GPU.
1:33 you used 64GB DDR5 RAM 5200MT at CL40 , what would you except if some one uses 128 GB DDR4 3200MT CL 16 DDR4 RAM with 13900k . Will time line performance decrease or increase by using lots of low latency DDR4 RAM ? Will export Time reduce by using lots of high bandwidth DDR5 RAM ? By the way very gud video showing info like temps , power , clock speeds and i also salute to your hard work for using each and every kind of video files from 8bit 4.2.0 h.264 to all the way up to 8k 24FPS 10bit 4.2.0 H.265 . Now that RTX 4080/490 is out in market will you consider paring 13900k with one of them ? also please compare its playback to Mac studio ( that 20 core apple ultra chip ) if you can . 19:33 to 20:00 I am very happy to know that you got very smooth cpu , knowing this i also want to upgrade to 13900k from my 9900k .
So, I actually ordered an i5 13600K (with iGPU) from NEWEGG. Somehow they bounced back my order and cancelled my account. Then I ordered an i5 13600KF (non iGPU) from AMAZON and now it's already in shipping phase. I do Video Editing + Adobe Photoshopping. So have I made a huge mistake for not going for the K version as I will be missing out the iGPU video rendering + Decoding + Encoding in Premiere Pro and instead my Discrete 8 years old GPU will be forced to do all tasks or the iGPU does little to no benefit at all when you have a discrete GPU ???????????
no, the igpu played huge role, not all codec supported by dedicated gpu., the software will chose the most suitable hardware (either igpu or dgpu). you may check his video about igpu
Thanks for the video! I was wondering if you would be willing to make a link with the same or similar clips so people could test out their rigs, because as you know, synthetic test don't really represent the real world use case and with the variations of components, can vary greatly. It would also help video creators who might be interested in upgrading their camera gear to see how their current system holds up, before any upgrades are being done or if any upgrades are necessary at all. Thanks again!
Can you please 2 or 3x speed going backward in the timeline. Editors go both directions when cutting and moving backwards is where the computers struggle.
I really apreciate the real world test, show, how to -THY - i litereally build myself a pc following your tutorial on the pro art Z690 and man it worked on the first start - never done this before. Asus ProArt z690 with 13700k, G.Skill Trident Z5 5600 Ram, Samsung Pro 2TB (because of encryption possibility), Noctua NH-U12A chromax black (after 80 mVolt undervolt - no heat issue at all core stress testing - max 85 degree celsius, R23 score 30140), arcitc MX-4 (8year durability and non-cunducting) and MSI Velox R100 because of USB 3.2 gen 2 X2 (20Gb). Only challenge, it needed a bios update to work with the new 13th gen i had to flash the bios in the very first bevor first boot up (i think so, not sure if it was that required - but flashback worked pretty good) - maybe a video idea!
Hey, Im planning to also build i7 13700k/4090 with Z690 Aorus Pro, Arctic Liquid Freezer II 2x140mm, 2x16GB ddr5 6000mhz cl36 and nvme ssd 2x2TB kingston kc3000. Im also planning to build it myself (first time so high-end pc!). Would you have any advice?
@@Timmyyycx The only pain in the a. was only the rgb stuff, there is really not good instructions if you have stuff from different manufacturer - some even talk from breaking your motherboard because of shorting MSI into ASUS.., so make sure that Aourus can support the rgb of 4090, ram, case, cooler - i tried to cheap out here, but case fan, cpu fan should be really from the same brand - for example, my noctua is running on 2000 rpm and is really quiet at 1100 rpm but the case fan can only do 1300rpm and is freaking loud...so hot air gets cought in case - go maybe whith the arctic fans all together or do it like he did in his video and go replace all the fans by good fans (regadless what comes provided) and match it to the case 'THE BEST Video/Photo Editing PC/Workstation in the World | Asus Z690 ProArt + Intel 12900k build' fans should do 2000rpm and make sure its pwm (you can control a dc 3 pin - but its not the same).
Hoy Tech notice. I LOVE YOU FOR YOUR CONTENT Do you think upgrading from 5900x to 13900k would be good to improve performances while editing ? Not that much interested by the rendering speed. Thanks !
@@MTeelul bruh i just bought a 13700k my life changed. The live payback isnreally better. Still inhave problems but Adobe Premiere will Always have haha. For Real I bought a New computer with 13700k and i changed m'y 5900x forna 13500k no Way i would go back in Time and i'm a professional editor
If you're considering the 7950x, i've been having issues with TrueNAS and the BIOS. TrueNAS does not seem to support the iGPU for anything other than video out, where as older APUs could pass the GPU through to VMs/docker images
@@jessesmidt734 My intent, in addition to file server, is to docker plex and TDARR(otherwise everything would have worked fine with a 12100 or 5600G) Use the CPU+iGPU for plex TV recordings and the iGPU for playback, but then for long term storage use the imense CPU power to use automated software transcoding with TDARR to go from the broadcast MPEG2(up to 6GB/hour) to H265/AV1(as little as 300MB/hr for the same visual quality, yes even 576p TV shows from the 60s have massive bitrates and still looks like crap). I'd throw in a dedicated GPU, but i need all of the slots for TV tuners, SAS controller, and high speed network, i have no free slots. IF you are wondering, i tried EVERY hardware transcoder out there, from 9th gen Nvidia/Vega56 and 6th gen Intel, all the way up to 12th gen Intel, RDNA2, VEGA2.5(Ryzen 7 4750GE with improved 2nd gen vega) Nvidia Ampere, and even Apple M1 Video Toolbox. All of them create files larger than the original, or reduce the quality. I have yet to be able to get my hands on Intel Arc or Nvidia Lovelace as i'd love to see if the problem is limited to only going from MPEG2 to H265, as it would be utterly amazing if i could get the same compression and quality, out of the iGPU if it just required AV1 instead of H265
I find Pr is prioritize CPU. CPU is more important. As I just build my PC. I have 13900k same as you. But only 32g ddr4 ram and 3060ti. I find I have similar performance. I do not see really any worse performance on my PC. For example I can play smoothly R5 raw at 1/2 resolution but very choppy at full res just like what you had.
How do i utilize the iGPU? I have the 13900k but its not using it in premiere. Ive enalbed it in bios, but its using 0% atm. do I keep it on Cuda mode in premiere? Thank you for the video!
man is that whokey thing legit?? I gave it a try and even used your code, but the more I look into their website and the way they repplied to a simple question and then stopped replying at all, idk... just did it cuz needed to do another win11 install as it didn't let me boot with the 13900k, only one change, same drives, same motherboard, ram etc. just the cpu and even after installing all the drivers and contacting intel, microsoft etc. clean instal was the only solution 🤦♂ my previous key was an oem win 10 pro included on my system
Why AMD Processor is insanely stable despite having high voltage draw and operating temperature? Did you realize the decline and instability of 13th 14 th generation Intel CPU beforehand as Intel was going for madly increasing the clock frequency and still retaining E Core? Is this the mismatch clock frequency is creating havoc as Intel may be omitting E Core from their future build ?
Are you creating proxies for all these clips? I have a 4090 with 13900k 64gb ddr5 ram and still experiencing super choppy playback footage on 4k 60fps footage. Only runs smooth if I use proxies but such a hassle haha
Which build do you recommend with this CPU? I know you mentioned it in this RU-vid video, but I listened to that section of the multiple times and just couldn't understand it. Sorry I couldn't understand, my bad. By the way, thank you for putting out the finest RU-vid videos out there; just superb!
How much extra performance/noise do you get by swapping for T30 fans on the Glacier One AIO? Is it worth doing as 3 of these fans adds around 50% to the cost of this cooler.
Well... its hard to say, I just had 10x of these t30s and I used them on both ryzen 7000 and Intel 13th gen to give the CPU best scenario to run as fast (cool) as possible. I'd say not a noticeable increase, but if you push them to max, then the t30s will dhow its strength. In everyday (video editing) use, not much, but they would be quieter coz they don't have to run so fast as competition :)
I’ve gone through 2 i9 13900k cpus. I can’t keep them stable. I don’t overlock and they just melt. I’m tired of spending money on this problem. I’m glad you got one to last long enough to enjoy!
I see all these tests about smooth timeline performance in Premiere on windows pc or mac and I am really reluctant. I'm currently editing 50fps Sony A7sIII 4K H.265 4.2.0 footage (paired with a few drone clips from dji air2s) on a pc with 9th gen i9, GTX 1080ti, 64GB ddr4 ram using adobe premiere. Because of the abscence of dedicated decoders to play footage smoothly I have to use proxies to edit. Although playback is ultra smooth initially, as soon as I add warp stabilize and lumetri color correction on the clips as well as two lut layers (slog3 to rec709 transform and color look lut), which is a real world day to day editing scenario for me, the timeline is not playing back smoothly anymore not even in 1/2 resolution. I'm editing on the internal nvme ssd. So it is a struggle to even view my edit before exporting. I'm editing on the internal nvme ssd.I'm editing on the internal nvme ssd. Even if my pc build is only 1.5 year old I'm in the market for a new machine that can make my life easier. I'd like to be able to have smooth timeline performance with the above effects and possibly edit without proxies. I am considering either a mac studio/macbook pro or a windows pc. Whatever gets the job done. Do you think that a 13th gen cpu paired with an rtx 3090 will work? Both for editing native files without proxies and for smooth playback after adding gpu taxing effects such as warp stabilize and lumetri color. Thanks a lot in advance.
RAM preview of multiple heavy comps in After Effects would tell the tale. When can you do an After Effects ram preview video? It would be good too see the different between 13th gen and and older Intel generation
I'd love to see a comparison with the $2000 Mac Studio. But this was a great video! Was the 12k BRAW? You never said what it was - just that it was 12k.
Hello from Phoenix Arizona I love your videos. I’m not much of a computer guy currently I use a MacBook Pro M1 with 64 gigs of RAM and a 2 TB hard drive. But I would love you to do videos on the entry-level mid-level and top-of-the-line PC build for flights in 2020. I’m a pilot but I lost my medical inside like a second computer in the home one to serve as a back up to my Mac if it goes down and then secondly to run flights him on but also be able to do my daily work on I do zoom calls for business and usually have about eight or nine tabs open at a time. It would be great if you could do something for flights and I have no idea what it takes do I really need a 3080 TI or could I use a 3060? Thanks so much.
PLS make a video on the new nuc-13-extreme-raptor-canyon-with-up-to-core-i9-13900k for Premiere pro... i am arguing if it gets to hot or if can be watercooled maybe? hmm
For my use case the RAM capacity matters more than speed. Unfortunately there's no 128gb ddr5 that I could find right now. So I'm running a strange system with 128gb 3200mhz cl16 with a 13900k and a tuf 3080 10gb 🤷
Please do this same test on Da Vinci resolve 18.5 as well.. was planning to buy 13900k And i am regular viewer of your Channel love your content and details
AMD Radeon Team doesn't care for productivity users, that's why their iGPUs are mainly great for gaming and kind of useless for production workloads. I'm a laptop guy, and I always prefer Ryzen + Nvidia configs for the best of both worlds. Intel has come a long way with Alderlake, but their power scaling doesn't suit laptop form factor (too much performance loss at low TDPs and too much battery drain otherwise).
