Just ran across this video. Those Windsor bars are quite old. I would say pre 1986. I worked for Windsor a long time and designed many of the bar contours. It's great to see them still in use. Best bars ever made.
You deserve an honorary degree from every university in the country, for teaching me the art of the chainsaw. I've watched so many of your chainsaw videos and have gone from being unable to start a saw, to fairly competent. Considering how many seasons I fought with getting the saw started, that's a serious accomplishment.
The instructor has excellent dialect, good diction and speaks to his audience. I could listen to him a long time and never tire. Although I have been in Arboriculture 24 years and have 15 chainsaws I still learned new items from his presentation. Highly recommended!
Stihl has gone away from the nose sprocket grease hole because their research showed that debris was getting into the sprocket via the grease hole and causing the untimely demise of said bar (or nose if replaceable). The idea is very similar to what you explained, grease will just sling off the sprocket at high rpm, leaving a very thin coating behind. If any hard debris (dirt) gets into that hole at this point, what you now have is similar to a grinding paste, the debris wont clear without manually cleaning and will rapidly degrade the nose sprocket. Bar oil is more than enough lubrication for the nose sprocket and every time you stop the chain it gets a dose of oil. Cheers!
The answer to the metric/imperial question is tyre rim diameter. It is still referred to as 15, 16, 17, 18 or 19 inch rim. as in 235/55/R18. Mileage is either miles / gallon or litres per hundred kilometres. Engine capacity is either cubic inches or litres. Tyre pressure is either kilopascal or pounds / sq inch. Vehicle length or turning diameter is feet & inches or metres. Hope this helps. Enjoy your show, here in Australia.
Wheel (rim) sizing is still done in inches. Power can be Hp or Kw tourqe Nm or Foot Pounds etc etc. as far as the dual tool sizing goes well we have had to use Metric and Imperial is Australia for years and honestly most decent sets or spanners Sockets or whatever will have both, also funnily enough with a Metric or Imperial socket set the both use standard measurments for the socket drive bar IE: Inch 1/2 3/8 etc. Honestly I grew up with Imperial but we changed to Metric here in Australia while I was a young boy (under 10yo) and I still like miles for a lot of measurments, but cant work out gallons or pints anymore, I relate to BHP for power and struggle with Kw and as a Pilot still use feet and Knots for height and speed. Metric simplifies most things and I like it, but still resort to Imperial for some things. Guess thats the cards my generation where dealt but so what, you learn what you need to and honestly if your not learning anything in life your not living much of one.... All the best to all like love or hate it Metric and Imperial are a part of everyones life in some way shape or form ... Cheers.
The correct answer is wheel rim size 15, 16, 20, etc. Most of the world uses kph (not mph), Kpa (not psi), litres (not gallons), l/100km (not mpg), engine size is cc (cubic centimetre), rpm is not specific to metric or imperial as all countries use minutes and seconds as a measurement of time.
1) I often hear british and russians talk about engine size in inches. 2) Just had the thought the other day that metric lovers should invent their own time organization structure. xD
quigly pigly 1) yeah, there are always a few misguided people in every crowd ;) lol 2) kilosecond just sounds wrong, but we already have everyone measuring in milliseconds, so the takeover is underway haha
Hi Cody, I want to thank you for taking the time to EXPLAIN things (whatever the topic) clearly, concisely and without being condecending. I am sure there are plenty of guys like me, who haven't had the opportunity to learn about things like chainsaw bars. I am equally sure there are other guys like me who are too embarassed to ask. Your videos share important information that I can watch without feeling self-conscious that I didn't know that. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for giving chains and bars a good going over. Many saw users know little about this, and some, sadly' are not even interested. Greasing the tip is SO important. Lots of guys fail to see this. And even if the spinning sprocket or nose wheel DID spin out the grease, a good greasing also cleans out the bearings. And good bearing care is important in the use of any machinery. As wonderful as Stihl saws are, I do not trust sealed bearings, in the tip of the bar, or elsewhere. You can't be confident of their condition until they fail.
This is an age old argument and I've heard it since the early 70's. If the bar has zerk holes grease them. I do it every morning and that's it. You'll get hammered by the guys that say just soak the tip in bar oil when the bar is dry and let your oiler do the rest. And then there's the guys that say the grease will attract dirt and shorten the life of your bar tips....clearly spoken by guys who never had a career in the woods. I know some of the newer bars don't have zerk holes. My guess is that the industry got tired of milling zerk holes in bars tips if the guys don't grease 'em. Or maybe they are using ceramic bearings in there....dunno.
@@TheReal1953 Hi Kevin, Let's look at the issue of guidebar tip care again. I hope to shed a little light and be helpful. And please forgive a terminology change, which could confuse some guys. 1. I am an old fart. I have been using chain saws extensively since the 1980s for tree work, forestry, firefighting, woodcutting (firewood) and a lot of other things. I have bought a lot of saws and been there when others bought chainsaws. I believe there is no such thing as a chainsaw that didn't have a manual. ALL THOSE MANUALS talk to us about fuel, lubrication and other important things. 2. Among all the saws that came with a greasable tip, none of their manials said "aw shucks. Just skip it." And none of them talked about alternate methods of bar tip care. They want you to grease those bearings. Not soak. Not ignore. It is a small item of important maintenance. If a guy wants to do something different, do this: grease the bearings. Rotate the chain to roll the bearings then grease the bearings again. This is to flush out dirt etc. Then grease the tip from the other side to fill any voids. It is "just in case." Or being thorough. 3. There are no zerks in this. Zerks are specific grease fittings that receive a grease gun fitting. They often clamp together. They are not on a saw bar. 4. I do not trust sealed bearings. Like I said before, you never know the bearing condition until they fail. And even then you might have prevented a bearing failure with good maintenance. It saves money! 5. Saws come with a manual for a reason. If you must, read your manual in the bathroom. A little at a time. You need to know this stuff. It is ok to get it in small bites. Now go enjoy your saw -- with good methods and the right terminology.
@@michaeldougfir9807 Semantics. You knew what I was saying when I said "zerk hole". Yes, there is no zerk fitting per say. Shoot me....call it a grease hole then.
@@TheReal1953 Hi Kevin -- Please forgive my offense. That was not the intent. What I get tired of... and you may join me... is the number of incorrect stories about saws, chains, lubrication, fuel, brands and models of saws... and much more. I call them beer stories. A lot of big talk from them who usually don't really know. When I write in after a video, half of what I say is for the others that read our stuff. Not necessarily to the RU-vidr or his primary subscribers. I want the random readers to have heard the truth SOMEplace. It can only help them. So, I am sorry for my offense. I just hope to be a help. And here I blew it. Michael.
My brother in law is a forestry firefighter in Montana and he said that he taught me everything I needed to know about my chainsaw. He left out flipping the bar when you sharpen the chain. I'm gonna have to give him a little grief for that one.
I'm a Florida native, born and raised. I'm so over the heat here. Since March we have been in the 90s everyday, and won't cool down until November or December. I'm ready to leave this place due to the climate.
Bar oil is specially engineered to NOT fly off your chain or bar, same with specialized grease. If you don't use the right stuff it will fly off. Use the right stuff. It DOES make it last longer.
•Respectfully, sir, I wish to submit that the length of the chain is expressed in "drivers," as opposed to links. •There are two lengths to a saw bar: the overall length, and the working length. •It's trivial, but an American dime just fits in the groove of a .050" gauge bar. In a pinch, it's one thing you can check without a tool.
Rims. Everywhere on the world you have inch sized rims and tyres. Sometimes you see german race teams use mm measurements for the rims and tyres, but that's only where you need this high precision. It's easier to say 458mm than 18,0315 inch (or Zoll as we say in Germany). And if you wear out your tyre, it only has 457mm diameter left. Easier than 17,99213. Spark plugs are still sometimes measured in inch, but since many years you have about 2 normed sizes. 16mm (0,629 in) and 19mm (0,748).
Even after 6 years this video helped me...and I say THAT being a "metric" German using an all American chainsaw. :) Thanks Cody! Guess what: Even we die hard "metric" Germans use "inches" when it comes to traditional craftmanship: e.g. Carpenters still use "inches" to identify nail sizes by their length ("Zoll" in German).
Thanks for the instructive video Cody. I'm servicing my father's chainsaw later and there are a few new things for me to look out for. Every day I learn something new is a good day.
I also can't stand the heat. I love the cold. You can always put more clothes on in the winter to stay warm, but the more clothes you take off in the summer it gets illegal. Lol. Horsepower maybe?
Some mid 80's Ford products used metric wheel/tire combos... only lasted a couple of years, wonder why? I absolutely love all of your videos, way of life, and your spirituality. I am a Diesel tech in Florida planning a great escape into the country life next year. Your channel with just a couple others has been given me a wealth of knowledge! Thank you so much!
Great chainsaw information for us non-professionals! I learned a LOT! ...and I'm going out to the shop RIGHT NOW to apply what I've learned. Thanks, Cody.
Great info for one of those newbs you are referring to. As I am getting ready to buy my first chainsaw for processing logs for firewood, I've come to appreciate your in depth knowledge of chainsaws and logging in general. Thanks again for your channel.
Yes & No, the 225 is 225mm which is the width of the tire and 60% of 225 is the sidewall height and Yes that is Metric. But the 16 is most certainly in inches! In the case of the 225/60/16, the tire is 225mm wide, 135mm tall (sidewall) and fits on a 16 inch rim
Both rims tires and exhaust systems measure with inches in europe. Nice informative video by the way, was sitting with my chainsaw bar in my lap and was looking information about them and how to handle them, im lucky that I have subscribed to your channel. Greatings from Bjorn Mansson Sweden.
All tires / wheels are imperial, and integer. 15", 16", 17".... in the case of automobiles, even the US companies now design almost every component using metric. Your engine may use English fasteners but the drawing for it is in mm. Sometimes the tools that make the parts are required to built using metric too, but our machining tools are typically run in English.
Wheel RIM size is still Imperial diameter and width anyway as offset and pcd are metric, the tyre size is metric, width in mm and the profile as a percentage of that width. Utterly ridiculous really, a bit like how we still use MPH in the UK not KMH for some reason... NIce video Cody, maybe another on how to service your bar, like filing the edges and checking sprocket wear etc.
Cody, I appreciate your videos because I usually learn something useful from you every time I watch....like greasing the tip sprocket with high temp/high consistency grease. I think you are certainly one of the best teachers on the internet, bar none.... I’m not sure in which universe there would be no deterioration in two steel surfaces rubbing together at high speed, but definitely not in this one. Torque specs in ft-lbs
Nah europeans use Newton Meters for torque specs. 100 Ft-lbs = ~135 Nm. I'm pretty sure tire/wheel diameter is the only car spec that's still used in inches in Europe.
Tires/wheels Cody use the imperial, though not a lot of people actually know it (except your audiance I guess ^^) but even though, it's a lot easier to use the metric system. I can understand you like the old imperial one and the USA do as well. But most of the world use metric, it just seems counter intuitive. Just like Farenheit.
In Europe they did try to switch to metric wheel diameters, but the replacement tyres were expensive and scarce. They were made by Michelin and Citroen in the 80's.
Just to make life difficult: "Tires and wheels that have a rim diameter expressed in millimeters (190/65R390, as well as, 365 and 415) are called millimetric sizes. Michelin initiated millimetric sizes for their TRX tires that saw limited use on many different car models in the late 1970s and 1980s." Found at www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=46&s_kwcid=AL!3756!3!50154924733!e!!s!!tire%20size%20chart&ef_id=U6YxagAAATAF430B:20140702211907:s
Tire is right, but not always. In the 70's there were TRX tires which had their diameter measured in millimeters. TRX tires were available either as standard or optional equipment on certain models of European makes such as BMW, Audi, Mercedes-Benz, Citroen, Peugeot, Ford, Ferrari, Alfa Romeo, Renault, and SAAB. They were also available on certain models of the Ford Mustang, Ford Thunderbird, Mercury Capri, Mercury Cougar, and Mercury Lynx during the 1980s.
I thought you had this question in another video too? Tires seem to have reached an agreement, with a few exceptions width is metric, diameter is english, aspect ratio is a percentage. These old videos were great.
Tire valve threads are called out in a combination of metric and inch sizes. The external thread of a common Schrader tire valve is 7.7 mm x 32 T.P.I. where TPI = Threads per inch.
Dang ok. I know all the Japanese cars, Korean, and of course American cars I've ever worked on all US measurements. Same for small engines in mowers and stuff. Damn Germans screwing up my theory lol. What is the answer then?
I work with Liebherr construction and material handling cranes and have actually gotten pretty comfortable with the metric system but still revert back to inches and pounds from time to time. I know with cars they still use mph on the speedometer but kilometers is also there as well.
I have noticed that on metric cars, the AC pipe fittings are often still imperial sizes and sometimes, other piping as well. Don't know if this is what you were thinking about, but this has been my observation.
Thanks for another excellent video. On the subject of the imperial measurement system. It is quite simply the most stupid thing that Britain has ever invented. I'm British and grew up being taught the imperial and metric measurement systems, plus I'm an engineer so I use measurements a lot more than the average person and I feel I can be impartial having such familiarity with both systems. In every logical way metric is better, it's decimal and is based on physical constants not some arbitrary numbers plucked out at random. Don't fight it just accept that metric is more logical and simpler to use.
the 'Imperial' system was kinda loose until it was formalized in the beginnings of the industrial era late in the 18th and early 19th century, about the time the metric system came about. What system did France use before this? If you remember your currency system was not decimalized either. Both systems are based on a fiction, in the case of metric it is the distance from the poles to the equator that they got wrong, should have used something they could really measure. Nautical measurements are pretty accurate since the nautical mile is one minute of longitude, of course angular measurements are decidedly non metric, the fault here is that the earth is not truly round, it flattens somewhat at the poles. Nautical miles are just that, they are not knots, that is a speed measurement so if someone says he was going xx knots per hour he's an Ahole. I believe that even in metric heaven that plywood comes in 4 x 8 sheets? Now for a real question, the function of any numbering system is computational and we've done some pretty complication math for thousands of years, how the h=== do the Romans do math? The Brits were NOT dumb, their system is very highly worked out with all kinds of things you wouldn't think of including very accurate screw thread measurements, very important to say a machinist. They did invent the industrial revolution.
Maybe this will help somebody... 36 inch is good on a large displacement saw for firewood round cutting, because no need to bend over to finish your cuts. hit them all, roll log, finsh while standing comfortable. smaller saw with shorter bar payoffon long limbing days and small timber felling when lumping saw over rough ground. be careful with your saw and bar.dont drop it, make sure oil passages get cleared frequently, dont run dry on bar oil, point tip at cut round face, look for oil splatter. sharpen often, time saved.don't cut in such a way your bar gets pinched, be smart. keep tension on chain good but not over tight, be very careful with mixture screws not to run too lean. more oil in the fuel will run you lean and hot. use right amount. take tools and a second saw if your cutting area is any real distance. carry the plug wrench flathead screwdriver bar nut tool and your round file everywhere you go with the saw.
The distance between rails on a railroad (standard gauge) is 4 ft 8 in and 1/4" (!!!!). It appears to have come from the romans. Or maybe even earlier. It also is the gauge such that a horse's behind fits a chariot of that gauge. Europe uses it. The USA uses it. China uses it. But Russians use a 5' 2" gauge, I believe. Talk about arbitrary... and shame on the Canadians for not translating their units. Myself I grew up in metric, and find the Gringo units absolutely ridiculous. There are no countries in the world that have not gone metric. Except for guess who.
that was a cop video. thank you. I learned a lot ... now based on my background and being Israeli and studied the metric system, I think your answer is a the gas tank .. as it is still use gallon. sometimes they use liters .... but it is a gallon ... now with this is said, here is one for you. how come the gallon is not standardized? the regular gallon is 3.725 L. but if you buy car oil gallon such as mobile 1, Castrol, etc that gallon is 5L..... your turn smarty .... lol again thank you for great video and info. working on the front yard (honey do list) lol
Very informative and well delivered. I need to care for a chainsaw and understood how much I didn't know. I searched 'how to find the the right chainsaw replacement chain' and most of what I found were videos of people that didn't explain the stamp on the bar and what it means. Now I can sound like I know what I'm talking about - as you so well put it. Metric cars and Imperial measures? I have no idea. Another question is why do Imperial Americans use kilometers to measure foot races consistently (5K, 10K) but not auto races (200 mile). Who interjected that into our confusing ways of measuring?
If you're flipping your bar EVERY chain sharp, you're wasting a hell of a lot of time. Every fourth or fifth is plenty adequate. As for sprocket grease, most pros agree it's a waste because the grease traps dirt and chips and actually makes the nose run dry- where a constant supply of bar oil keeps the sprocket flushed out.
G'day wranglerstar, just a few weird things about metric/ imperial in Australia you might like to ponder. A water tank is supplied in either litres or gallons. The norm is still gallons. An Australian gallon is 160 fluid ounces. A new born baby's weight is supplied in both metric and imperial but most people still say i.e.. 6 pound 7 ounces. Tyre pressure is mostly pounds / sq inch. Just thought you might like these.
Rim/wheel size is always inches, tire measurements come from a combination where yes the measurements are metric but the tire ratio comes from both rim size standard, to metric tire measurements
Expense isn't everything. You can buy a 32 inch farmtech bar and chain for around $30 and they last just as long as a Oregon and stihl bar and their chains stay sharp very well. Only issue is you re retention them 2 or 3 times the first tank of gas.
Metrication in the United Kingdom remains equivocal and varies by context. Most of government, industry and commerce use metric units, but imperial units are officially used to specify journey distances, vehicle speeds and the sizes of returnable milk containers, beer and cider glasses (though fresh milk is still sold in multiples of pints, with the metric equivalent marked). Imperial units are also often used informally to describe body measurements and vehicle fuel economy. At school, the use of metric units is the norm.
another great video, thanks for the tips, I have yet to burn a bar, but I had never even considered flipping it over either. The only thing I can guess on automotive front that is always in standard measure is weight capacity of trucks...1/4 ton 1/2 ton etc. I have never seen any truck labeled in "metric ton"
I guess you mean the rim size, however the most common tyre sizing system is duo metric ie 205 80 16 the 205 being a crown width measurement in mm the 80 is an aspect ratio and the 16 being in inches. That said the rim will not be 16" at any important point but actually slightly less at the bead seat and considerably more at the full height of the flange and will be measured for manufacturing purposes in metric. The old imperial tyre sizing system is still in use ie 33 10.50 16 the 33 being the overall height of the tyre in inches before static sag the 10.50 being a crown width measurement and the last figure again being the nominal rim size. There are other tyre sizing systems, ask a cyclist, they have about 4 systems in common use 25-540 for example. There where car wheels and tyres made totally metric for a while but it was too confusing for the global market.
With the exception of the Peugeot 505 which sometimes came out with a metric wheel. It had a very expensive and hard to obtain Michelin tyre. Most converted them to imperial wheels for convenience.
There are quite a few things still measured in SAE across the vehicle manufactures. Grease zerks, tire stem threads, exhaust diameter, wheel size. Just to name a few
To my knowledge car tyres have the diameter measured in inches, and chain pitch on most chains have pitches relative in inches. 1/2" for normal bicycle chain. The reason behind is probably the SAE, that long ago was a compact group and settled about rim and tire sizes (and in Europe there was not such a group). Since then, the US had the major tyre brands and had the volume of fabrication so Europe just made with the same sizes and got stuck with them. Just a reasonable theory. On the other hand, bicycle rims and tires are all in metric because the French and Italian were much more prolific about bikes.. and even today an Italian road bike is highly esteemed. But unfortunately bicycles are not the subject of too much standardization because it's just a bike... so whatever. Bikes are riddled with imperial/metric mismatches here and there. The BB thread is 1.37"x24tpi standard (BSA), italian BB thread is 36mm x24tpi (weird.. metric diameter, imperial pitch). I bet the story goes like.. the italian got an imperial lathe and made the BB shell with that.. so metric diameter, but the pitch is imperial due to gear ratios.. and it stuck that way... just my theory. (also the italians were fool enough to make RH thread on both sides.. so one cup tends to unscrew itself.. the BSA has one RH, one LH.. so double fail for that thread).
Wheels dear sir & that also applies to motorcycle wheels which the width of a tyre is expressed in millimetres whereas the diameter is always expressed in your favourite inches. Incidentally did you know that water pipes as in plumbing ( central heating) is also expressed in inches only, even in France (that must piss them off somewhat!!!). Ironically their trains follow the British system of running on the left (not to mention that the track width is also in feet & inches). Hope you are having a great day. Kind regards.
Well there are several measures that are in imperial; wheel size, power is ofthe both hp and kW, socket drive is also in imperial, even with metric sockets. Also ajusteble wrenches are in metric, I have 1 8in and 2 10in adjustable wrenches.
Layne Simpson once reasoned in an article concerning some magic self lubricating coating on the slide of a handgun. If it lasts forever with no lube, think how long it will last with a drop or two of oil. I'm in that camp when it comes to greasing the end of a chain bar.
Us in canada basically still base everything off the imperial measuring system. Probably because house building and plumbing, etc measurements would very much so confuse everybody for decades of we were to actually change to metric. Even in schools we teach measurements in shop classes in inches. Least in high schools in my experience.
I always always always grease the sprocket on my bar. It keeps the tip good for longer, which means more $$$ in my pocket. I will always stand by the bar that has the greasable tip.
I melt in the heat too, I know exactly how you feel. But you're better than me as I would have died in Florida during the summer. Europe still in inches - I would have to guess tires. I know some do measure in metric so that llikely isn't it.
Tyres and rims are imperial in diameter, also chains have imperial pitch usually (timing chains, or really any chain like bike chain, motorcycle chain, chainsaw chain.. with minor oddity chains made in metric pitch) The funny thing is that although imperial standard is pretty much gone in auto industry (held up by tyres/rims and chains), the bicycle standards held a lot of imperial threading (special threads for BB, fork, freewheels, track cogs, etc), BUT it did not held for rims and tyres. The rims and tyres on a bicycle are done metric diameter (622mm, or 559mm more common for road or mtb bikes).
But the bicycle industry is really not an industry, but more like a thing where whatever is good. There is are large amounts of odd unique threading only found on a bicycle like imperial pitch on metric diameter and vice-versa or any odd combo.
I know I'm late to the game and haven't read all comments but IIRC the opening for the gas tank, where you put the pump handle, is always a standard size regardless of country of manufacture. Came about after WWII, allied forces had a different size hole than the pump handles found in Germany and couldn't always use them to fill up the vehicles. They were all standardized after the formation of NATO. Or it may be an urban legend, IDK.
Hi, I also think that the sparkplugs are non metric threads they need to make a tight fit to prevent pressure leaking!! Maybe the valves on the tyres are non metric threads !!???
it might be more than just the wheels. I think the transmission cooler lines may be standard as well. My wrenches fit the fittings perfectly and they have imperial markings on them!
It's not like sprockets in stihl bars aren't lubricated, they are supplied with chain oil, it is being lubricated all the time while these manually greased require more maintenance and if you don't grease it frequently enough it will run unlubricated and wear off faster. Therefore stihl bars are superior to others as they provide same or better sprocket lubrication with no maintenance.
my guess would be mechanical horsepower because that is part of imperial system and only thing I can think at work that doesn't have a metric listing with it.
