It's not racist because they wrote it to impress the audience, not to oppress black people. Most of them probably never met a black person in their entire life, so why would they actively make stuff against black people?
@Garraway Prox they mostly wrote it to survive paycheck to paycheck, we glorify them but there was dozens of musicians at that time, some better and some worse, just happened that the best got remembered, doesn't mean they were wealthy tho. Bethoven died in poverty, for example and he never married
@@1ndonlysolenaa plenty of composers were homosexual.. Tchaikovsky, Britten, Saint-Saens, Copland, Barber. Ethel Smyth to name a small handful. Also hasten to add these famous black composers: Samuel Coleridge-Taylor, Florence Price, Nathaniel Dett. Female composers: Ruth Gipps, Morfydd Owen, Ethel Smyth, Lili Boulanger, Fanny Mendelssohn, Clara Schumann, Florence Price. And these are the dead ones. The living composers are quite something. Not all straight, white and male and there are plenty out there being discovered, unearthed and enjoyed. One ill informed attention seeking tiktok doesn't represent the industry at large.
Beethoven wasn't deaf, he had hearing problems. He could still hear you just needed to speak louder. There is a legend he got the idea for the 5th symphony after the maid who always knock stronger at the door of his private room
As an African American girl who listens to Bach’s music on a daily basis, please be quiet classical / baroque music is not racist it’s just apart of European culture.
@@Carlos-il2mo That would be so silly, I mean even this day the most popular music is made with instruments and tools from Europeans and the most popular instrumental music has European roots, "neoclassical"/Contemporary classical composers like Hans Zimmer and pieces like Ludovico Einaudi - Experience/Nuvole bianche, Max Richter - On The Nature Of Daylight
I love that you enjoy our white culture in a world where we are constantly told that we have none. Us Europeans laugh at those kinds of people anyway, every civilisation has culture and it should all be preserved and respected. Western Globalists don't understand this and are often still Imperialist.
As an Asian I would say that classical music is the highest form of music for me. I literally listen to Ravel everyday (although Ravel is not a 18th century composer lol) I dunno why so many people have to associate race to subjects like this... it's almost as if 'straight white males' get called racist for even being themselves.. this is kinda messed up, it's almost a kind of racism against white males. Kinda sad, to think so many people unknowingly commit things they swore to destroy.
@@S4v3_w3stit's for everyone Hopefully Paris Olympics gives tribute to Georges Bizet, Camille saint saens, Charles aznavour, Jean baptise lully, Edith piaf, Erik satie 🇨🇵 Because London Olympics had Simon rattle
Yep. Ive always said that the left creates their own racism. Plus i find it funny how they link literally everything to racism but one of their main ideas and talking points (gun control) is actually historically racist but when you mention that fact to them , , , crickets.😂
False. My colleagues told me that only white people are racist. Also I don't know wtf you just typed and I think I'm dying of a stroke right now from all the propaganda in my brain holy hell please help me call somebody the propaganda is too much for me to handle. That was a joke.
Ssdly this is kind of already happening. If you wear another cultures fashion - like a white person wearing a kimono - they say it's cultural appropriation and that makes you racist.
@@riversfreedom ah shit..too many "Maps" and supporters of them for that to be a good choice.. I fully retract that.. keep nudism in the bedroom as a special thing for your lover.
Technically it is based off of cultural norms established by the elite in-group and those camps usually are based aroud the society that harbors their stylistic tropes. And that being said, in a mostly elite Caucasian influenced normality this means mostly white individuals decided those societal norms. So in conclusion, yeah it was.
Corelli was gay Lully was gay Handel was gay Schubert was gay Tchaikovsky was gay Britten was gay Poulenc was gay Copland was gay Bernstein was gay John Cage was gay Chopin was bisexual Hildegard of Bingen was a woman Clara Schumann was a woman Fanny Hensel was a woman Amy Beach was a woman Rebecca Clarke was a woman Lilli and Nadia Boulanger were women Cécile Chaminade was a woman Ethyl Smyth was a woman who was a lesbian Florence Price was black Samuel Colridge Taylor was black Scott Joplin was black Joseph Bologne, Chevalier de Saint-Georges was black William Grant Still was black George Walker was black These are all dead composers just to show that even Classical music's history is diverse. Yes there are definitely problems with representation of these composers, and how their music has been received and appreciated, but to categorise Classical Music as inherently racist is vastly oversimplified and ignores the contributions and identities of these talented composers. Today Classical Music is more diverse than ever with people from all different backgrounds, ages, nationalities, gender identies expressing themselves through music. This list didn't even begin to cover performers, which have been historically even more diverse than composers.
@ADumbMidget At least your username is honest. If you're only pretty sure of something, perhaps you should read a book to become more certain of it. Chopin wrote love letters to his classmate Tytus Woyciechowski. Schubert may have been bi or gay, but it is at least evident that he was queer. Handel is believed to have frequented circles in which homosexuality was commonplace and accepted, such as Burlington House and Cannons, the homes of the Earl of Burlington and the Duke of Chandos. He had no wife. Corelli moved in similar circles and lived closely with male companions. Lully developed close ties with the homosexual circle established by the King of France's brother at the time. Britten had Peter Pears as his long term romantic partner. John Cage had Merce Cunningham as his. Tchaikovsky diary entries and letters to his brother explicitly state his romantic feelings for men. Bernstein's wife has confirmed he was gay. Copland was part of a group of gay composers with him, he travelled openly with the men who he was in relationships with. Poulenc was openly gay. Need I go on...? Perhaps if you're not going to do some reading of scholarly articles, a quick Google search would help remedy your ignorance.
Liberace may have been gay. Freddie Mercury might have been bi Elton John is non binary Janis Joplin had some straight relationships David Bowie and Jimmy Page had relations with minors. Michael Jackson might have been asexual Led Zeppelin might have engaged in sexual activities involving fish
as a black person and a classical musician, i hope that classical music stop reaching people in America since they're just gonna keep adding labels to it. i hate this generation so much.
actually no. I'm from Philippines. I am a fan of old school opera. Renata Tebaldi visited Manila along with Franco Corelli, they were invited by Imelda Marcos - even the media does not know (or care) about that fact. The latest school journal about opera (any univs) was dated 2018. Philippines is just like america, most filipinos believe taylor swift as something made of (divine) hahahaha
And the list is long, it's two white European male that invented the camera that ultimately lead to the one in her phone that allowed her filming that bullshit.
That’s interesting, she’s recording her TikTok on an iPhone. I could’ve sworn Steve Jobs was the founder of Apple. He’s a cis straight white male too, so I suppose she should get rid of the phone and never post again
Yea like music is music it’s not that deep dumbass Also classical music is more European ofc there is gonna be straight white men composing, they’re European
@@charmelos1431just because music has microtones doesn't make it better. The fact that you even call it microtones is eurocentric terminology. Micro - in comparison to the western scales.
@@sebastianschweigert7117 the guy was talking about complexity. Thy basically stated the more notes is more complex. More notes don't make music better, so classical music isn't better than pop.
Yup, they were basically indentured servants and bounced from one benefactor to another. Artists of the same time period were much the same I believe. Many of both didn’t find fame until after their deaths. Many died young. It’s very sad actually:(
In terms of beethoven, moonlight sonata is super dry and overhyped, you guys should try some of the better sonatas like the appassionata sonata- Anyway y’all are ignorant, there’s plenty of people who both love classical music and can still recognize it’s historical roots in white supremacy
@@PeopleHaveNoGender i can relate. I don’t want to be called a cis white male. I am a man and identify as such. I don’t have a problem with calling someone whatever they want (within reason) so long as they do the me the same courtesy.
Yes, Only someone who knows nothing about western music can even rationalize the statement. We build upon what we already have. There are no 12 semitones in western scales without Pythagoras working out 5ths ... there would be no diatonic scales, would be no tempered scale without J.S. Bach. Classical is influenced by folk and folk influences by classical. I do not think Classical musicians would even call themselves such - is just a label we applied to a period to those who made a living writing musical works. All folk music, blues, jazz, rock, soul, hip-hop and all use the elements of melody and more important harmony from all the above. Heck, most modern day ethnic music in Africa even borrow and use western elements today.
@@tommack9395I'm aware Euclid and Eratosthenes were in math Did Pythagoras write sthg for music ? Though in evolution of music video sthg Homer work was set to a stringed instrument
@@PortugalZeroworldcup I think Pythagoras was fascinated with "lengths". Right triangles etc... Anyway he noticed the relationships between octaves and fifths/fourths in string lengths. So he came up with the idea of 12 semitones. It's all about the sound waves. Two waves which sync up sound in resolute while clashing is tension - dissonance. i.e. if "A" vibrates at 440hz the next "A" at half the length vibrates at 880hz (a perfect interval harmonically) - a perfect fifth "E" is then smack between them around 660hz (is 659.2579hz or something like that tempered out). Stacking fifths you end up with twelve, Have you ever noticed the entire western scale is built upon fifths until you reach the starting tone again? Look at a circle of them C, G, D, A, E, B, F♯ (G♭), C♯ (D♭), G♯ (A♭), D♯ (E♭), A♯ (B♭), F, C. Now if we took seven tones starting with F - F, C, G, D, A, E, B we'd end up with what musicians would think of as Lydian in fifths. rearrange in sequence C, D, E, F, G, A, B and is Ionian - the major scale. Anyway, I think early on in music the human voice would be the first instrument. It's a single voice instrument until you add another person. The most likely harmonic component would be at the octave when signing a melody (you see that in most every culture), the next would be at a fifth. We also see the use of droning tones in most music - is a focus tone placing a basic relevance on the melody above it. Western scales by far helped include major and minor intervals - at first especially thirds - in helping to create more complex melodies in harmony and/or laying basic harmonic musical structure underneath (chords). What's melody? It's a tonal expression which creates a series of tensions and resolutions back to "Home" - a root - usually a tone within the underlying harmony. It's syncs into it.
Those lunatics are all over the Academia. They can't create. They have no talent. They are just paying & the Universities are keeping them around. So their Major is to complain about things they can't do.
this makes slightly less sense before you realize the english language is stupid and that c makes a ch sound instead of a s sound, i thought you were racists against cells for a minute
Gee. I didn't know that classical music was only written in the 18th century. 🙄 Is this tic tocker suggesting that I have to listen to gangsta rap and sing about murder and hos and drug deals to be politically correct?
La campanella pales to Liszt’s other work. B minor Sonata, Benediction, years of pilgrimage are better. Checkout the operatic fantasies for more catchy melodious virtuosic playing, I like his reminiscences de Norma and Don Juan.
@@Argo123_.0the Dante Symphony is so good too. However la Campanella is also a great work and I would not say that it pales his other works, but rather that we should listen more to his pieces
This is what the OP is talking about. They are saying in comparison to other Liszt pieces, La Campanella sucks as a composition even for an étude. But even that, they'd rather listen to, than what she listens to.
As an average classical fan, I could go for some “La Danse Macabre” by Camille Saint-Saens or Gustav Holst’s “Mars, Bringer of War” from “The Planets” to clear my mind.
@@thatcrazywolf William Grant Still and Samuel Coleridge-Taylor. Along with contemporary musicians and composers like Jessie Montgomery, Wynton Marsalis and anyone with the last name Kanneh-Mason.
@@nussknacker9827so was Franz Joseph Haydn But yeah In USA there's Amy beach, Scott Joplin, Aaron Copland, Leonard bernstein etc If she doesn't like it she should leave
I mean not really by any stretch of subjective or objective long shots. There tons more complicated music past and present and theres tons more appealing music past and present. Classical music just got put on a pedestal for being the genre of royalty. Stuff like pub music and cletic folk existed during this era too, but it isnt treated with that same superiority since it didnt possess that original status.
@@Monkchelle_Kongbama they didn't state "complicated", just "well-composed". As for "pedestal", I think if you listen to it you'll understand why it's held in such high regard, historical reasons aside.
@@mrknarf4438 damn, your right, i somehow dismissed an entire genre, nay, era of music without being informed of its structure or history, hell i have never even listened to these masterpieces, how ignorant is I.
As a violinist, classical music started evolving in the 12-1400s, is still evolving today, has been composed and performed by men and women from many different cultures throughout history and is enjoyed by millions of people all over the world. Yeah, I'd say that it's probably about the most inclusive music genre in the world.
I also hate the whole "they were all straight" there is tons of evidence that Tchaikovsky was gay. There are also other composers this is true for. There were also composers of color and female composers who wrote classical music. Maybe these people should take a page from their own book and "education" themselves
Is it ? Idk I just think that there are way more people that would say it is boring or too repetitive or chill than people that would see how great it is really
When she said classical music is 18th century white males… uhhh girl we got classical music from the renaissance up until today. She’s going to flip when she finds out classical music influences literally all other forms of modern music.
Speaking as a classical musician and teacher , the Classical period lasted roughly from 1750-1820… anything too far before or after may still be western art music, possibly even of the common practice era (Baroque/Classical/Romantic, or what laymen call ‘classical’) but no, we don’t have Renaissance Classical. 😊
YOU TOOK Ballet! You racist! Haha! Just joking. I do love Watching some Ballet. I loved dancing when I was young. I respect the hard work it takes to be a Ballet Dancer. The Pros gave up a lot of their childhood to dance that Beautifully.
As a Carribean black man I'll wish y'all Americans luck or just come to us where everybody blacker than a motherfucker. Also there's only two genders 😐
"Now the White liberals aren’t White people who are for independence, who are liberal, who are moral, who are ethical in their thinking, they are just a faction of White people who are jockeying for power the same as the White conservatives are a faction of White people who are jockeying for power." -Malcolm X
There are clay tablets written in Egypt that was written by black men way before Beethoven do more extensive research all of the original writings was don by black men so you are wrong and brainwashed by America just like the rest so sit down!
@@otisfresh2719 today, the Republicans are more in the center, while the Democrats (the party that created the KKK) are so far left that you can't even have a reasonable conversation with them. They talk about inclusivity, while starting organizations like BLM that gave most of their funding to organizations run by old white men that fund Democratic campaigns for old white men, and used the rest to make the families at the top of the organization rich. Then they have LGBTQIAMAP pushing for pedophilia and grooming children. But people get behind them because they just go with what they hear instead of looking into it.
TBF there were plenty of female composers back then whose work was suppressed by the sexist culture. A number had male pseudonyms to get around this. My favourite example is Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart’s sister who was actually considered an insanely good composer, colluded with her brother to publish her compositions under his name. Also outside of classical music, non white folk, especially in the 20th century onwards have had a massive impact of music as a whole. Ragtime, blues, RnB, hip hop etc etc
Except she didn't say that, did she. She is saying that in the west we put classical music on a pedestal because of eurocentrism, not that you are personally racist for liking it or even that she doesn't like classical music. I don't know why this is so hard for so many people to understand
@@bruh-lt5bi Because it's bullshit, we put talent on a pedestal. The works of these artists in the 1800s are works of art that have stood the test of time even centuries later.
@@bruh-lt5biWe put classical music on a pedestal because it's fucking good music, hope that helps. It's the perfect example of how music can convey and create hundreds of emotions in one piece, without the person writing it having to say a single word. And it's doing all that while also being incredibly satisfying to the ears and to the soul as a result. Plus, trying to play most classical pieces in their entirety is the ultimate test of a musician's skillset and musicality, given that they were created by some of the most talented musicians ever.
Joseph Bologne: 💀 For those of you who don’t know he was an incredible black composer in the 1700s. We’re playing his first symphony. Brilliant musician. That song is so hard we had to move it back to the next concert 😂
They both are. Obviously neither is right and both are somewhat right. It’s not black and white there’s lot’s of grey. getting overly upset about one side of this “argument” is stupid.
@@rosequartzjewelryllc let's agree that English is my first language - I was born in Bristol mate - I accidentally put you not your cos of autocorrect and I said your brains are pea as it rhymed with agree I'm calling you pea brained basically mate
My science teacher would die if she saw this video. We listen to classical music while she teaches us. Shes an awesome conservative, non woke Christian teacher. I'm glad I know her
She sounds great but I got to ask. Why does the Christian part matter? I know having like minded beliefs can matter, but ones religion should hold no bearing on them as a person imo.
Classical musician here 👋🏻 our entire field is dominated by Asian people (honestly, rightfully so… people who work the hardest, like they do, deserve spots in top orchestras). But she forgot that lil inconvenient fact in her Tik Tok!!
@@audreydoyle5268 None if the original composers are profiting off of public domain music written 200+ years ago. Bach isn’t making any money from his music, the people who perform it are. So yeah, they didn’t write it, but performers who play classical music are benefitting more than composers, many of whom were not even recognized or celebrated during their lifetime for their compositions.
Sadly I am part of the generation that's doing all this crap and it's scary to think that I'll have to deal with this crap as an adult even worse a kid. I don't know we're your stand point is on "religion" but I'm scared for fellow Christians that might have to deal with crap and lose their way Not only them but people in general.
@@Based_Blue96 i mean I'm white and im against racism to but why are some white people talking about it like they would actually get harrased cause off their skin colour
It isn't even our ignorance. It's our sheer arrogance that our way is the only way and correct way. You know how to spot Americans over seas. They busy looking for American restaurants because they are afraid to eat local food
It's valued as the highest form of music because it is. It is technical. It is complex. It is beautiful. It is moving. This is not to say that other music doesn't have these qualities, but classical is the pinnacle of them.
I got into choir, and my instructor is like in classical music, and it also takes math. So if you do classical music or can read sheet music fluently then you have a big brain.
Exactly. That's why it lasted all this time. It touches people. This is also true of a lot of jazz and blues music. And spirituals started in the cotton fields - I think. Beautiful. Who cares about the skin colour of who created it?
@amandatinkham3406 jazz is a great form, but the technical side of music was developed through the medium of classical. Those same technical traits are found in all western music that followed it. This is why Pachelbel's Canon in D Minor is so prevalent today across so many mediums of music.
it is considered the highest form of art music because the level of creativity and knowledge of music it takes to compose something like a symphony is insane. it takes a lifetime of education and training to become a master. its an insult to place them on less of a pedestal than a modern musician who just sings over the same four chords or variations of it, no matter what race you are.
exactly. And i don’t think she understands most of those composers were far from elite members of society. Beethoven for example died a poor man, Mozart died at 36 and was chucked into a pit full of bodies, etc. They were all living paycheck to paycheck
Majored in music. Heard this before, but after I had gone to South Africa to work on my teaching skills with a group of other students. Everyone there loves western culture and especially classical music. They love their culture and because they appreciate their own they are capable of appreciating others’.
Also majored in music- this line of argumentation doesn’t really have to do with what people enjoy exactly. Adam Neely made a great video about it if you actually wanna engage with it
@KillThrottle wdym? Bro, I said that classic music could not be sent to anywhere else because the musicians wouldn't travel those vast distances and there were no DVDs or TVs to stream it! It's like you made a stupid assumption and built my entire response on it! Also, I live in Britain so, ur wrong lol.
@@abdullahnooreldinalkhawari704 bro actually uneducated out here, France, Germany, Russia (in the making), Italy, we're powerhouses at that time. Long before recordings musicians traveled pretty far distances to play their music. It's literally history
They push the boundaries of what is humanly possible. I didn't think it was possible for a human being to be any dumber, and then they keep surprising me.
