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What Does It Mean To Be A 'True Fan'? 

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In which Flair and I discuss fanbases, secondaries, monetary investment and more to figure out what it means to be a 'true fan'. Also check out www.buyshimoneta.com we love you Meti
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@sokoTV2
@sokoTV2 4 года назад
You're only a true fan of a franchise if you've been banned from every fan discord you join.
@morgzana1374
@morgzana1374 4 года назад
^
@donaldtrump2728
@donaldtrump2728 4 года назад
Based
@onemoregodrejected9369
@onemoregodrejected9369 4 года назад
Ah yes. Truth has been spoken.
@tohruadachi3490
@tohruadachi3490 4 года назад
Fans sure are useful when you're in jail.
@buslgal3385
@buslgal3385 4 года назад
Thanks Adachi
@drexalnewb1500
@drexalnewb1500 4 года назад
Didn't know they gave murderers internet access in Japan. Thanks for the new info Adachi
@chadeofspades
@chadeofspades 4 года назад
Where the hell is kek or cringe 2 bro
@Yuukeiyesterday
@Yuukeiyesterday 4 года назад
Ok adachi.
@makotoyuki345
@makotoyuki345 4 года назад
Hello Adachi-San
@GeneralVan
@GeneralVan 4 года назад
If you never tried to summon an actual demon, you’re not a true SMT fan
@bigbone_99
@bigbone_99 4 года назад
Hey it's not my fault Stephen Hawking never sent me an email
@sugoiboyxl8345
@sugoiboyxl8345 4 года назад
_If you've never put a gun to your head, you aren't a true Persona 3 fan amirite_
@raym2382
@raym2382 4 года назад
If you've never tried singing to a demon
@n-extrafries-surprise
@n-extrafries-surprise 4 года назад
If you haven't been scammed by the demons, you're not a real SMT fan.
@Yuukeiyesterday
@Yuukeiyesterday 4 года назад
Ur not a true persona 5 fan if u hear joker and think of batman, not akira/ren
@projectmessiah
@projectmessiah 4 года назад
if you dont have a full demifiend body paint tattoo you haven't even beat kamoshidas palace
@brojoe44
@brojoe44 4 года назад
do sharpie count cuz I realy need 2 beat kamoshida!!!
@projectmessiah
@projectmessiah 4 года назад
@@brojoe44 yes.
@SoggyWetCheese
@SoggyWetCheese 3 года назад
Guess the 7 times I played persona 5 I didn’t actually beat kamoshida
@projectmessiah
@projectmessiah 3 года назад
@@SoggyWetCheeseNope. You didn't actually beat the game either you just sat there playing with a controller while watching a let's play.
@SoggyWetCheese
@SoggyWetCheese 3 года назад
@@projectmessiah lmao
@jose13neo
@jose13neo 4 года назад
Have not watched yet but being a true fan is when you are at that point were you randomly print your waifu and start saying her lines in Adachi's voice.
@tohruadachi3490
@tohruadachi3490 4 года назад
Jose NEO wait what?
@jose13neo
@jose13neo 4 года назад
Tohru Adachi You don’t wanna know
@GxGWolf
@GxGWolf 4 года назад
Jose NEO no no no I’m interested go ahead and precede with the info
@jose13neo
@jose13neo 4 года назад
thewolfpack gaming94 Search for Fither’s Bernadachi video
@ohnoknux4163
@ohnoknux4163 4 года назад
quirky funny xddd
@tokiyodadelldew3244
@tokiyodadelldew3244 4 года назад
I feel like just enjoying the series makes you a fan.
@supershadowfan2000
@supershadowfan2000 4 года назад
Yeah I agree
@ohnoknux4163
@ohnoknux4163 4 года назад
Wil E what
@lapacusforest8503
@lapacusforest8503 4 года назад
Agreed. It's not that complicated.
@aerosol_spray
@aerosol_spray 4 года назад
No
@cyzerraze6829
@cyzerraze6829 3 года назад
Yes
@flailingdragoon1072
@flailingdragoon1072 4 года назад
While gatekeeping isn't inherently bad from the perspective that a fanbase does require some sort of regulation, as to prevent people who have a very surface level perception of the material they are consuming to influence it too hard, the concept of "true fans" usually pulls into the darker side of gatekeeping, where one's general preferences are turned into unreasonable standards that serve as a bs excuse to silence opinions and discussion. There's a difference in saying "You're not really a Nirvana fan if you only like Smells like Teen Spirit, you're a fan of that song" (which is perfectly ok) and "You're not a true Nirvana fan if you don't own every CD, think album X is good/bad and immediately boil when you hear the name Courtney Love
@GodOfOrphans
@GodOfOrphans 4 года назад
I usually differentiate good and bad gatekeeping by using the term elitist to describe the bad gatekeeping, it's more accurate and helps defend against the type of linguistic warfare that subversive types like to employ.
@Mopocrypha
@Mopocrypha 4 года назад
People who played persona 3,4, and 5 went ahead and were trying to do social links in real life
@yaboittash
@yaboittash 4 года назад
You ever tried maxing out your social stats?
@nitinanku
@nitinanku 4 года назад
yaboittash [Dokkan x Legends] My charm is eternally stuck at Existent
@yaboittash
@yaboittash 4 года назад
@@nitinanku I felt this
@Mopocrypha
@Mopocrypha 4 года назад
@@yaboittash tried to get a girl to rank 9 accidentally got the reverse arcana so I'm avoiding that social link forever
@yaboittash
@yaboittash 4 года назад
@@Mopocrypha F, I didn't get romance route with my crush, but I still managed to hit Rank 10
@its_heeho
@its_heeho 4 года назад
You aren't a true fan until you say "Hee ho" out loud
@lero9900
@lero9900 4 года назад
you arent a smt fan if you havent killed god
@sthxdnn1
@sthxdnn1 4 года назад
Luke Perovic fought Lucifer*
@lero9900
@lero9900 4 года назад
@@sthxdnn1 hey I was talking about smt 2
@MaximumAddition
@MaximumAddition 4 года назад
*Laughs in guy with gun killing hell itself*
@bossbabyfuyuhiko6657
@bossbabyfuyuhiko6657 4 года назад
Is-is that a Johnny joestar villager pfp?
@enumaelish9193
@enumaelish9193 4 года назад
You're not a true fan unless you replace your limbs with three blades and spin around while circulating air around the room.
@ShermTank7272
@ShermTank7272 4 года назад
Pssh, only three? You aren't a _true_ fan until you get five.
@waffles6280
@waffles6280 4 года назад
but remember not to become a helicopter
@yaboittash
@yaboittash 4 года назад
"People will pick up a trait from a character and assume that's the whole character" Pancakes: Meat: Protein: Cabbage Hating Ryuji:
@minthemadnezz200
@minthemadnezz200 4 года назад
Akechi Chie Akihiko Adachi Morgana (I absolutely agree with you if that's all you think of the characters you aren't a true fan)
@SnowBaller985
@SnowBaller985 4 года назад
Haha funny detective man like pancakes
@minatoyuki4800
@minatoyuki4800 4 года назад
Akechi is pancake tsundre now to the fandom
@rowdyrobgaming8726
@rowdyrobgaming8726 3 года назад
I also fit the last blank so i love morgana
@minatoyuki4800
@minatoyuki4800 3 года назад
Rowdy Rob Gaming Why do you hate Ryuji? Morgana was the on who was belittling him the entire game and when Ryuji clapped back Morgana had a tantrum.
@sugoiboyxl8345
@sugoiboyxl8345 4 года назад
_There is a fine line between something that interest you and being a fan/advocate of that medium. And that is frankly participation. Objectively speaking, the more you surround yourself with that enviroment in mind, the more your _*_interest_*_ increases. It is impossible to be a "bigger fan" of something by definition._
@chadeofspades
@chadeofspades 4 года назад
Flair is finally back boys let's gooooo, those were a cold few months without him
@kara-mari9909
@kara-mari9909 4 года назад
Only been 5 days...
@chadeofspades
@chadeofspades 4 года назад
It feels like a year tho
@caswellweird
@caswellweird 4 года назад
@@kara-mari9909 last video flair was in was 6 months ago.
@ScottStevenErickson
@ScottStevenErickson 4 года назад
The bromance is alive and well!
@maskofthedragon
@maskofthedragon 4 года назад
Being a true fan means owning Jack Bros.
@hee-ho2473
@hee-ho2473 4 года назад
Dude come on
@luckyknaiver4654
@luckyknaiver4654 4 года назад
@@hee-ho2473but it's Jack Bros.
@hee-ho2473
@hee-ho2473 4 года назад
@@luckyknaiver4654 I knew that but oh alright it IS Jack bros
@Destanyxoxo
@Destanyxoxo 4 года назад
Nintendo should put jack bros on the eshop in a bundle with P5S
@hee-ho2473
@hee-ho2473 4 года назад
@@Destanyxoxo and a scramble bundle with devil summoner vs the soulless army HD
@nekonomicon2983
@nekonomicon2983 4 года назад
If you haven't tried staying up at midnight to see the dark hour or tried putting your hand through the tv during a rainy night then you aren't a true fan.
@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas
@ArshadZahid_nohandleideas Год назад
I did but all I did was owe damage fees
@Grifffffith
@Grifffffith 4 года назад
Its simple, play the game. If you have just watched the Persona 4 anime but not played the game, you are a fan of the Persona 4 anime, not the Persona 4 game series. IMO if you play one game in a series, you are a fan of that game. If you play more than one game, you can be a fan of the series. To me this is because you can play one game in a series but not enjoy the other games. Lets say someone only played Persona 5, if they went back to Persona 4, 3, 2, 1 there is a possibility they won't like any of those games because of how out dated they are. They would be a fan of Persona 5, not of the Persona series. I have only played the new God of War 4. I am not a fan of the God of War series, I am just a fan of God of War 4.
@dennisbarrett9302
@dennisbarrett9302 4 года назад
That honestly makes the most sense
@gon9684
@gon9684 4 года назад
Yes, but to be honest many people say that persona 1,2,3 and 4 are outdated, but I don't even understand what they are talking about. P1 and P2, maybe, I can see how someone that isn't a big RPG fan or that doesn't play older games could possibly find it outdated. But come on, p3 and p4 haven't aged at all (maybe if you give too much emphasis on "you can't control your other party members" thing, ignoring the fact that P3P fixed that, and that I don't see it as outdated, I see it more as a "odd feature"), calling p4 outdated is just completely bizarre to me.
@DatPokemonTrainer
@DatPokemonTrainer 4 года назад
This was very well put
@Kingdom850
@Kingdom850 4 года назад
Yeah this is how I see it, especially with anthology series that feature different casts of characters and locales in every installment (like Persona, Final Fantasy, Fire Emblem, etc)
@jackedfrost
@jackedfrost 4 года назад
Yeah but what about the people that just can’t play the other games so they can’t say if they like them or not?
@polarisscale7030
@polarisscale7030 4 года назад
I think being a fan and being a true fan are two sperate things being a fan is just enjoying a series and being a true fan is having a deep understanding and knowledge of a series
@PLANTBAT
@PLANTBAT 4 года назад
Yo, do you like this thing? Cool, you're a fan.
@zcritten
@zcritten 4 года назад
Thank you for reassurance, i was worried that not wanting to get a persona 5 true ending meant i wasn't really a fan
@shadowssun1120
@shadowssun1120 4 года назад
I hate all these Christian secondaries who just go to church and sing hymns without even bothering to learn ancient aramaic, greek and latin so they can read each of the bibles' sections as the original authors intended
@minatoyuki4800
@minatoyuki4800 4 года назад
Fucking posers
@liamkopp
@liamkopp 3 года назад
The crazy thing is, I'm training to be a pastor and I actually know Latin and Greek. I found this funny. (I don't know aramaic tho)
@ericb.1384
@ericb.1384 3 года назад
Attention all hotshot atheists who think they're smart because they took an intro to religion class in college: Acts17Apologetics does constant livestreams defending the validity of the Bible, and would like to publicly display your ignorance. The Bible wasn't meant to be read in any particular language. The goal was always to preach to every tongue and nation. You're better off reading a children's Bible that you can understand, rather than something you can't. You don't need to read the original manuscripts, except for comparison purposes (scholar work). You don't need to only read the KJV. You need to read something that keeps the original message the same, that you're also able to understand.
@randoontheinternet5842
@randoontheinternet5842 Год назад
@@ericb.1384 That joke didn’t just go over your head, It did laps around it lol
@TheKewlPerson
@TheKewlPerson 4 года назад
I feel like another problem is people considering themselves fans of a series when only playing one game. For example, a lot of people have only played Persona 5, yet they consider themselves Persona fans. I feel like it would be more fair to classify them as Persona 5 fans rather than fans of the whole series. Basically I think you can't really be a fan of a series unless you actually want to play more games in the series. You could like or appreciate the series for what it is but that's different than being a fan.
@cassondraarnett1248
@cassondraarnett1248 4 года назад
Yeah for example I have only played P5 (as of now) and the only thing holding me back from playing the other games is the console platforms. I would consider myself a fan of the rest of the series if I actually had access to the rest of it, but I don't want to spend $300+ just to be a full Persona fan.
@finalthief4894
@finalthief4894 4 года назад
I first got introduced to the Persona series with the P4 anime, my reaction when I first saw it was "this seems pretty intersting!" I wasnt able to play the game because I didn't have a PS2. Years later I play P5 and I liked it so much I made my friend hack my PS3 and I wad able to play P4 and P3 and I love them! As much as I wanna play P2 and P1, those are harder to get. And out of respect, I don't search Wiki for the story, I only know how the main characters look and there names, but that's all! So I will just say that Im a Persona 3,4, 5 fan, but the whole series fascinates me
@nekonomicon2983
@nekonomicon2983 4 года назад
I mean it's still them being fans of persona. I think it counts.
@dylanbell268
@dylanbell268 4 года назад
Cassondra Arnett I’m in your boat, I don’t want to spend 300+ dollars, so I decided to emulate and wait for them to port the games (as soon as p3 and 4 get on psnow I’m subbing to that shit)
@Klonoahedgehog
@Klonoahedgehog 4 года назад
Now I feel awkward as the only main numbered Persona title I own is 5. But I've played the first game on PsP, watched my brother play through the third game and watched the Anime for P4.
@necromythos7339
@necromythos7339 4 года назад
To me a "true fan" is someone who loves the world of the series or at least the parts of it that make it... It. I have NEVER beaten any of the persona games, in fact what started my love for persona and SMT was NicoB's playthrough of persona 5, I am also borderline OBSESSED with the Supernatural and Mythology or the Fantastique to phrase it better. (No, I don't mean fantastic, look it up) A "true fan" wants to enjoy as much of the series for as long as they can, even if they don't purchase any of their merchandise.
@PhthaloGreenskin
@PhthaloGreenskin 5 месяцев назад
You're not a fan of persona. That's like saying I'm a fan of call of duty but i never played the game. You're a tourist.
@canadianbacon3846
@canadianbacon3846 4 года назад
Whenever someone brings up "true fans" it's usually followed by a pristine example of gatekeeping
@HORSEMANFOREVER
@HORSEMANFOREVER 4 года назад
"Gatekeeping" is a dumb term used by people who are mad when people make fun of them for not even bothering to consume the media they claim to be a fan of and in reality are only interested in being part of the fandom because it's trendy
@canadianbacon3846
@canadianbacon3846 4 года назад
@@HORSEMANFOREVER it's more complicated than that. I'm talking about the toxic side of it, not the more reasonable side where they just want the people to actually consume the media themselves
@ohnoknux4163
@ohnoknux4163 4 года назад
BONE-CRUSHIN' PASTAMANIAC you just want a reason to lock others from your enjoyment
@lemonov3031
@lemonov3031 4 года назад
Gatekeeping is good.
@thevgshow2723
@thevgshow2723 4 года назад
Gatekeeping can be bad or good depending on the situation
@agentnacho2029
@agentnacho2029 4 года назад
I think the gatekeeping comes from fans who dislike general audiences that are only attracted by memes much like the horrid Jojo community, or guests appearances like Ren in Smash. IMO, if you haven't played through at least 2 mainline games and acknowledge the spin-offs you're not really a fan.
@HORSEMANFOREVER
@HORSEMANFOREVER 4 года назад
Yeah, you hit the nail on the head here. Honestly Jojo is the best example of this, because there are so many people who are just in it for the memes that the entire community just went to shit. Gatekeeping is a necessary evil in a lot of cases.
@lunamamans7326
@lunamamans7326 4 года назад
Normies ruin everything.
@kittykat2577
@kittykat2577 4 года назад
Ye Nan People now would tear Persona 2 apart lmao
@funninoriginal6054
@funninoriginal6054 4 года назад
Coming from a Jojo fan who honestly likes the series, if i got a coin for every "kono dio da" or "is that jojo reference" that i read while browsing on youtube
@dbzfanzone4725
@dbzfanzone4725 4 года назад
I was tripping out out over the still character images cause Everytime I looked away they seemed to move and then I rewinded the video and found out that they do indeed move up and down.
@Deoxys_Used_Mimic
@Deoxys_Used_Mimic 4 года назад
I don't know what a "true fan" is, but I do know this: You can't call yourself a "fan" of something if you only enjoy 10% of it.
@zcritten
@zcritten 4 года назад
Idk why but I've been thinking about this as I don't feel like getting the true ending of persona 5, I love the characters and story, I just don't want to. And its nice this dumb joke that was probably sarcastic helped me
@Mamba219
@Mamba219 4 года назад
But you can be a fan of that 10%
@heitorbatista5392
@heitorbatista5392 4 года назад
People who want to separate True Fans from Fakers must not realize that, for Atlus (or any dev/band/artist/whatever), people are basically divided between Fans and Potential Fans. That's why I don't get gatekeeping defenders. It literally goes against the artist's desire to reach as many people as possible. And Atlus, even though their games are pretty unique and niche, wants to reach as many people as possible. Just like any company would.
@diannebassett1313
@diannebassett1313 4 года назад
Requirements to be a fan: Do you enjoy it? If yes, congratulations! You are a fan.
@weeeeeeev
@weeeeeeev 4 года назад
-I can be a wiki warrior in that I like reading tvtropes pages of things, mainly the character sections -There's a fan (or not-fan) category that I call 'like to watch from a window', where you just watch letsplays and people talk about the thing instead of experiencing it, which is my relationship with persona -I am a big part of the yiik un-fanbase, I love making fun of the game -I would also fuck that patchouli with how she's interpreted in doujins, though most of the time I'm more interested in smut of characters/things that I recognise out of doujins -Fither with Re is like how I am with mega man currently, got into it with mm11 but now I'm going through (most) of the entire series
@lemonov3031
@lemonov3031 4 года назад
congrats on ruining my day
@Err0_Will
@Err0_Will 4 года назад
My distinction is "Are you a fan of a part?" or "Are you a fan of the whole?". For example, don't say you're a fan of Dragon Quest if you've only experienced 11 and nothing else, just say you're a fan of DQ11 or the fans of Classic Sonic vs Modern Sonic. I think you can only be a fan of a series if you've consumed and enjoyed multiple parts of the series but if you've only enjoyed one or a very minute part, you're the fan of that part and not the series. You don't have to like everything, just more than one thing.
@welcometowallys8158
@welcometowallys8158 4 года назад
I’m a pikmin fan and I haven’t BEATEN any of them, I’ve played a good bit of pikmin 2 and I watched my dad play the game all the time as a kid and I have pikmin plushies that I’ve done plush photography of for a year But I’ve never beaten a pikmin game For me, I still consider myself a fan because I have a fair bit of knowledge on the series, very active to the community, and contribute with my photography.
@samsonic2
@samsonic2 4 года назад
For me a fan is someone that can hold a conversation about what they claim to be a fan about So I would say most persona fans nowadays are just persona 5 fans but that is ok A true fan would be someone who know almost all of what they claim to be a fan about That one person that could tell you the directors birthday
@gon9684
@gon9684 4 года назад
In my opinion though, those fans that are just into persona 5 aren't "persona" fans and shouldn't mix with the rest. If you only consume a game and don't know at least the basic history of the series you are fan of that specific game, not the series. Nothing against p5 fans, but if you claim to be a persona fan you must at least know what the other games play like and look like. Same if you are a persona fan claiming to be a smt fan, you must at least know most game's names and how they relate to each other, etc...
@MrAapasuo
@MrAapasuo 4 года назад
@@gon9684 Wouldnt that hold true for every game in the series then. People who have played P3 onwards cant be fans since they didnt play the original persona, thus not understanding its history fully. Really, only people that played original persona and releases following it would then be fans
@dylanbell268
@dylanbell268 4 года назад
To me, being a fan just means you enjoy something to a degree, I love persona 3 and 5 which I’ve played recently so I consider myself a persona fan. I also love Star Wars, but I hate the new movies, but I’m still a Star Wars fan. I think the term is an each there own thing.
@jenetix1513
@jenetix1513 4 года назад
Dylan Bell I’m with you. I’ve only played p3fes and p5 and p5r but I consider myself a fan. If you express interest in the series and want to experience more of it, then you can call yourself a fan.
@Peoplesrepublicoffortnite
@Peoplesrepublicoffortnite 4 года назад
Persona 5 has become the reddit of the smt series
@kara-mari9909
@kara-mari9909 4 года назад
Fuck, you're right.
@ohnoknux4163
@ohnoknux4163 4 года назад
accurate as hell
@hoodedcrows8966
@hoodedcrows8966 4 года назад
Fun fact: I've never played Persona 4 myself. I have only really watched playthroughs/let's plays of it, but.. i fucking love P4. Sure, i couldn't tell you shit about the bosses or how to beat them- but everything else is a yes. I know the story(all the events, etc) i know all the social links, but i don't know the bosses or the dungeons- does that mean i'm not a fan? Fuck, i even have the artbook for p4! I've never played Chulip either, but i love that game to bits. So i fully disagree with you on that part.
@leviapplepie
@leviapplepie 3 года назад
I kind of agree with this, however, wouldn't this just make you a fan of Persona 4 let's play videos? I feel that you would have to have played the game, know how to beat enemies and bosses and such. I'm trying not to really gatekeep, but I'd say there's a difference between being a fan of the game, and being a fan of playthroughs of the game (even if it's not necessarily the playthroughs... but rather the content).
@AdrienHebert12
@AdrienHebert12 3 года назад
A true fan is someone or something spinning at high speed.
@n-extrafries-surprise
@n-extrafries-surprise 4 года назад
I dunno how much a 'true fan' I am but I still consider myself a fan of something even if I haven't played the game. I am a danganronpa fan and was active back in 2017 yet never played a game because I'm broke. I never consider myself a Zelda fan despite loving and play most of their games on gameboy and DS. I dunno if I'll be considered a true fan since I don't plan on buying Royal because I'm saving my money for SMT V. But I guess being a fan is how see oneself enjoy the medium and how much they will engage more of its content?
@daikosaiko1145
@daikosaiko1145 4 года назад
I always considered a fan someone who just likes something to be honest, they don't have to be super into it
@vr8652
@vr8652 4 года назад
The pinnacle of those "true fans" initiating newcomers be like: No no, you have to have played: - Persona 4 - Persona 4 the Golden - Persona 4 Dancing All Night - Persona 4 Arena - Persona 4 Arena Ultimax - Persona Q Shadow Labyrinth - Persona Q 2 Cinema Labyrinth - Persona 4 Pachinko - Persona 4 Card Battle - Persona × Detective Naoto - All the Persona 4 fangames - Super Smash Bros Ultimate DLC - Persona 5 - Persona 5 the Royal DLC - and watch the entirety, no blinking, of both Persona 4 the Animation + Persona 4 Golden the Animation just to initiate yourself as a fan
@jenetix1513
@jenetix1513 4 года назад
Verick Rincon while an exaggeration it’s still decently accurate to the more toxic gatekeepers
@funninoriginal6054
@funninoriginal6054 4 года назад
Oh and dont forget - P3FES - P3P - P3FES but in the answer - P3 Dancing All whatever - P2: IS - P2: EP - P1 in both routes
@vr8652
@vr8652 4 года назад
@@funninoriginal6054 I was actually just talking about all the games that Persona 4 is related to, whether it be a spin-off, cameo, or reference (like P5's TV announcement that has Rise in it)
@vr8652
@vr8652 4 года назад
@@hannaaaa17 well yes, but Persona 3's Highschool didn't directly relate to p4 because you visit it in p4, which is already p4 related. You can't have a cameo of a future game unless it was planned like with Vincent Brooks in p3 portable. P3's highschool can't reference p4 because p4 was planned after p3. And I'm only mentioning p4 because it has a *ridiculous* number of spin-offs and cameos.
@AussieBeef54099
@AussieBeef54099 4 года назад
I agree that all of these arse backwards methods of gatekeeping and the ensuing threat of shame and exclusion is indeed very inconsiderate of any given person's ability to support what they enjoy. In my case, I've been like 80% Nintendo only because a massive portion of the titles I like are on that platform so I'm relying on switch ports (and good ones at that) because I cannot justify buying another gaming system, or invest in a solid enough PC for a small number titles given my personal living situation.
@beetljam792
@beetljam792 4 года назад
you're a fan when you like and appreciate something, that's it! that's the only barrier of entry to calling yourself a fan. some people don't have the time, money or energy to buy and/or play, watch, listen etc. every single title.
@ReanXAlisa
@ReanXAlisa 4 года назад
def agree that it's super personal and i feel the internet's urge to group people is what kinda brings up this conundrum
@dumbledoresnape656
@dumbledoresnape656 4 года назад
I feel like a "true fan" is having directly experienced the game/anime or whatever and wanting to become more immersed. Gate keeping also needs to kill itself. I've been in the jojo community since 2012 and this debate about "true fans" has permanently impacted me.
@jenetix1513
@jenetix1513 4 года назад
I can agree. Gatekeeping is a problem in quite a few areas. If you tell someone that they aren’t a true fan because they haven’t played a good amount of the spinoffs is bad and keeps people from wanting to participate in the community and from playing the other games.
@gavo7911
@gavo7911 4 года назад
People who unironically use the term “true fan” irritate the hell out of me. I’ve put over 400 hours into Persona 5, watched the P4 anime and P3 movies, watched every P2 and P1 cutscene, and yet I’ve still been called a “fake fan” by pompous dickbags on Twitter. Honestly, as long as you consume and enjoy the media you claim to be a fan of, then yeah, you’re a “true fan.”
@shiggerator6816
@shiggerator6816 4 года назад
Okay but play the games.
@gavo7911
@gavo7911 4 года назад
+Shiggerator But why?
@shiggerator6816
@shiggerator6816 4 года назад
@@gavo7911 Why do anything?
@alianar.d.8724
@alianar.d.8724 4 года назад
@Pikigod The hentai lord I think you're forgetting poverty exists and not everyone can afford a console and a game
@alianar.d.8724
@alianar.d.8724 4 года назад
@Pikigod The hentai lord Yeah sorry, it would've worked better for the other guys comment. But some people just has other stuff that comes first, I guess. I can't even afford a laptop so therefore buying a console and a copy of a game is just out of the question. It just kinda bothers me when people gatekeep when poor people are out there I guess.
@AtomBacon
@AtomBacon 4 года назад
I remember watching a thorough LP of a game I missed (didn't own the console) and thinking, "Man this game seems so epic, how did I let myself pass it up. I wish I could have been a fan of this during its prime" The sequel coming out on the next gen console was what made me buy the console, and I can say after playing the second game that it may not be my favourite series ever, but the one I played is my favourite standalone video game and a top 10 fandom. On another note. What you said about ResE is where I am with a novel series. I am 7 books into an 18 novel series (well the 18th one is scheduled for a late 2020 release) and while I have a LONG way to go before i read the whole series, i can definitely say i am a huge fan of it, and it's easily my favourite novel series ever.
@neonthethief8499
@neonthethief8499 4 года назад
true fan is a bs statement and people calling themselfs "true fans" sound annoying af cuz most of the time they think they are better than others just because the conSOOMED more of the product than others. It does not matter if you are a "fan" or not. If you like something and enjoy it that's enough. and yeah what i say has been said 110101001 times over but that's just my opinion. Also i hope more people see the true beauty of the Rance franchise
@funninoriginal6054
@funninoriginal6054 4 года назад
Rance is art and nobody can tell me otherwise
@KeybladeSpirit
@KeybladeSpirit 4 года назад
My criteria for what constitutes a "true fan" of something are: 1. Do you have a clearly defined idea of why you like it? 2. Do you dislike anything about it specifically because it contradicts what you like about it? 3. Are both of the above things that apply to the thing as a whole? For instance, it's *very* possible to be a fan of Persona 5's soundtrack and not of the game. You can be a fan of the game on a purely mechanical level and not a fan of any other part. You can be a fan of the story and hate the actual "game" part of the game. So #3 makes sure of the difference between, for example, being a fan of Skyrim and being a fan of The Elder Scrolls. Fandom of one element is just as valid as fandom of the whole, it's just not fandom of the whole.
@windego64
@windego64 2 года назад
You're a true fan when: you have 3 blades, You spin in circular motion, You keep people cool
@willbill6942
@willbill6942 4 года назад
I am a true fan of Fither
@BroMomento69
@BroMomento69 4 года назад
as long as you've played a persona game for a reasonable time and show interest and passion in in the game and have the desire to play/experience other entry/s in the series you can be a fan but if someones never played a game and they just makes memes about it on instagram then i wouldn't consider them fans. There (to me) isn't such a thing as a true fan but I do feel there is a spectrum-like graph based on how much someone is invested in a series or product. TLDR: as long as you've consumed the media and feel enjoyment and passion from something , then you are probably a fan.
@jonnysac77
@jonnysac77 4 года назад
I don't think being a true fan matters at all, people should be able to enjoy(or even dislike things) how they like without the fear of being judged by the fanbase
@MrSecretSentai
@MrSecretSentai 4 года назад
Thanks for making this video I always wondered if I was a “true fan” of the metal gear solid series because I’ve only beaten two of the games but know all the cutscenes. I want to eventually but I suck at those games
@HyahMaster
@HyahMaster 4 года назад
A fan of something is someone who is willing to consume an entire product given the opportunity, whether or not they are able to do so.
@lucidlullaby894
@lucidlullaby894 4 года назад
As long as you don’t bully people on twitter who don’t like it / like it in a different way than you, you are a true fan
@n-extrafries-surprise
@n-extrafries-surprise 4 года назад
Yeah, those "fans" who likes to push their agenda first before their interest are not fans but posers.
@remke5137
@remke5137 4 года назад
Idk why Flair left but I'm stoked to have him back. I look forward to whatever content you both decide to make
@bestbeekeeper8931
@bestbeekeeper8931 4 года назад
"ah yes, learning a language to play a video game. how excessive," says the boy, knocking a copy of berwick saga out of sight
@Rognik
@Rognik 3 года назад
What does it mean to be a true fan? It means you circulate air through mechanical means.
@mropti6350
@mropti6350 4 года назад
Are you truly a fan if you can't spin your arms hard enough to create a mini-vortex?
@dominouswon2916
@dominouswon2916 4 года назад
FITHER AND FLAIR IN THE SAME VIDEO!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! I'm gonna probably love this. THank you thank you thank you!!! ^W^
@tree4124
@tree4124 4 года назад
Yo i actually had an audible gasp to hear flair, missed my boy
@ironpro7217
@ironpro7217 4 года назад
I'd say a fan is someone that has played/watched/read moee than 2 of the games/films/books in a series and enjoyed most of the ones they have expirienced
@drowzee6076
@drowzee6076 4 года назад
I love all the persona 4 music in this video. It has such a good soundtrack
@clashmanthethird
@clashmanthethird 4 года назад
I posted "Daily Danganronpa Hentai Screenshots" for half a year to the point that up until recently my posts were the first thing you'd see on Google images searching the term "Danganronpa Hentai" so therefore I am the truest fan of them all And just like a real true fan, I don't even like Danganronpa anymore
@michaelolaf9968
@michaelolaf9968 4 года назад
Love you guys
@sonicpuff9303
@sonicpuff9303 3 года назад
in some way, the wiki is media of the thing and if you enjoy it there for you're a fan at least that's enough for me
@Edujs23
@Edujs23 4 года назад
You are a fan when you like something
@yaboiskinnymannn7861
@yaboiskinnymannn7861 4 года назад
Flair!!!,he’s back and now my life will change
@hibikikuze1876
@hibikikuze1876 4 года назад
I usually define a fan as someone who supports the Series by playing it, watching it, owning merch and/or criticizing the producers, or just have interest in the series to the point of enjoying discussions of it.
@GodOfOrphans
@GodOfOrphans 4 года назад
A true fan is someone who unashamedly enjoys something regardless of popularity. Basically anyone who isn't a fairweather fan, clout seeker, or poser would count as a true fan.
@King-mg7vy
@King-mg7vy 4 года назад
Being a "true fan" of something depends on the person. YOU decide, not... whatever the fans say. I don't hate any of the new Star Wars movies, I liked Doctor Who series 12, and if given the chance, I would buy Pokemon SWSH again. Because I'm a fan of all of those things.
@lero9900
@lero9900 4 года назад
dont mess with us persona fans, we havent played the game before
@chamclamtv
@chamclamtv 4 года назад
I've watched 18 different p3p playthroughs, 12 playthroughs of "the answer", watched the p4 anime (also p4g playthroughs) and have read the wikis. Although I've only played through Madarame's palace on Safety, I can definitely say I'm more knowledgeable about the Persona series than 99% of the population. And anyone who tells me to play the other games in the franchise is just a SMT elitist and is gatekeeping.
@lero9900
@lero9900 4 года назад
@@chamclamtv oh yeah for sure, I'm just joking as long as you like a series then you're a fan and that's all the smt community needs
@chamclamtv
@chamclamtv 4 года назад
@@lero9900 nah, I was just joking with you man. I was just kinda adding to your original comment
@lero9900
@lero9900 4 года назад
@@chamclamtv Oh good I thought it had to be a joke but you never know with persona fans
@jenetix1513
@jenetix1513 4 года назад
Luke Perovic the fan base can get toxic now since p5 came out...
@johnpadron6333
@johnpadron6333 4 года назад
Good to see Flair back again
@PabloAvilaEstevez
@PabloAvilaEstevez 4 года назад
Why do people expect a certain level commitment to entertainment?
@gon9684
@gon9684 4 года назад
Because it's not just "casual entertainment". It's a form of art (as a good percentage of entertainment, specially the "good" one). People want to have discussions, share thoughs, opinions, etc, etc.
@JoelBurger
@JoelBurger 4 года назад
Because the term "fan" inherently presumes a level of commitment. That's what makes somebody a fan (as in, fanatic) and not someone who just watches a movie or plays a game.
@Jack-lo5me
@Jack-lo5me 2 года назад
I think being a fan is just the enjoyment of a game, story, or series. For example, I love The World Ends With You. However, I have never played the first game. I watched literary analysis and gameplay on RU-vid, but I have not played the game. The sequel, TWEWY Neo, is something I HAVE been playing. It’s great, go play it. I think you gotta engage with the work of art you are a fan of in some way to be a “true” fan. Weather that means you played one of the games, or you made a video on it. As long as you like it, and you engage with it in some way, you are a fan. ^^
@MaximumAddition
@MaximumAddition 4 года назад
Early to a Fither vid, nice
@yourpal4l
@yourpal4l 4 года назад
I find being a true fan of the SMT franchise in particular to be someone who just enjoys the game, knows what makes the game good, knows the game's shortcomings, and are able to fully appreciate the game's beauty in their own way. I might be more inclined to like Persona 3 Portable FemMC's route than Persona 3's MaleProtag route, or I might prefer Persona 4 instead of Persona 4 Golden, but it doesn't matter at the end of the day because I can say that I'm a fan of that game and can still call myself a true fan, atleast a true fan of that one game in particular.
@maxzilla5354
@maxzilla5354 4 года назад
Plugging shimoneta at the end of a video really brought me back to the days where I would watch meti and xforts and other jojo shit. Damn... 😔
@remke5137
@remke5137 4 года назад
YES HE'S BACK BOYS
@genericfencer
@genericfencer 4 года назад
moral of the story: just dont be a filthy secondary
@Lifoxion
@Lifoxion 4 года назад
my thoughts on what being a fan means is say, if you've only played Persona 5 and haven't played any of the other persona games and don't exactly plan to play them anytime soon, that in my eyes makes you a Persona 5 fan. if you've played Persona 5 AND Persona 4 or 3 or 1 or 2, that makes you a fan of the Persona series. being a TRUE fan to me is if you've played at least what games you can get your hands on and you deeply enjoy and love playing the games, and if you deeply love and enjoy Persona 5, that would make you a true Persona 5 fan in my eyes, not necessarily a true fan of the whole series, but a true fan nonetheless
@sapple7509
@sapple7509 4 года назад
Expected to hear about how if you just like one single thing in a multi-game series that you're a fan and that secondaries dont exist. Pleasantly surprised
@thefinalskarm1754
@thefinalskarm1754 4 года назад
I can't wait to one day be called not a true fan because i had P3 MC'S fate spoiled for me and my PC went "You know what, i don't like these roms, let's delete them", thus ending all my will to play the rest of the game. This is a great video by the way.
@compactmar-s-4145
@compactmar-s-4145 4 года назад
a fan is a fan alright, a true fan is when it spins around and gives me a cool breeze. alright thats it bro.
@7ha70n3guy
@7ha70n3guy 4 года назад
HE'S BACK? anyone wanna play melty
@Thunderjames
@Thunderjames 4 года назад
Our lad is back
@projectmessiah
@projectmessiah 4 года назад
as far as i see it being a fan is just enjoying and consuming multiple instalments of a series.
@Bigpep69420
@Bigpep69420 2 года назад
"activated my almonds" is a fantastic string of words lol
@Moon10251
@Moon10251 4 года назад
My definition of a fan: Someone who enjoys something from mild to extreme. An example of a mild fan is someone who plays a few persona games and watches let's plays on RU-vid. An example of an extreme fan is someone who plays all persona games (1 and 2 included), watches the anime (even persona 5 anime), watches let's plays on RU-vid. There are two people in the extreme fan spectrum. The normies and the assholes. The normies are willing to be open about people not knowing much about the subject and willing to teach others about it. The assholes are people who aren't open about people not knowing much about the subject and insult the person in question about not knowing much. That should clear it up!
@gon9684
@gon9684 4 года назад
Sounds pretty alright of a definition, but come on, playing Persona 1 and 2 shouldn't be extreme. It's not like those games are underground or that the persona series is big and hard to play all the games... Maybe playing SMT if could be extreme, but even then it's easy to "get" if you emulate it, you might as well play it...
@makotoyuki345
@makotoyuki345 4 года назад
I’ve got nothing to contribute so uh... *rAtTALinG dOor sOUnDs*
@funninoriginal6054
@funninoriginal6054 4 года назад
Thank you Door-Kun, very nice
@Destanyxoxo
@Destanyxoxo 4 года назад
Femc is the back door and your the front door and joker is the robber and narukami is being useless while adachi does all the work
@Destanyxoxo
@Destanyxoxo 4 года назад
If you understand that your weird because I don't understand it.
@funninoriginal6054
@funninoriginal6054 4 года назад
@@Destanyxoxo How high are you?
@BitchChill
@BitchChill 3 года назад
Looking lively as always
@platformingames2967
@platformingames2967 2 года назад
Fan is just a label person can be a fan if they’ve look at a poster
@luciandust2355
@luciandust2355 4 года назад
missed you guys
@bigniggajil2947
@bigniggajil2947 4 года назад
17:53 flairguy asserting his dominance, just as things should be
@unknownstuntman3224
@unknownstuntman3224 4 года назад
The way I see it if you enjoy something and consider yourself a fan then BAM! You're a fan.
@nightwish1453
@nightwish1453 4 года назад
on this topic it does interest me, It does seem like that when a latest game of a franchise gets hype you will have people who are either curious of the other games who came before or they don't and just move on I think a good example is the nier and drakengard franchise unlike persona and fire emblem where numbers are thrown around (three houses can be spewed around as FE16). you could say there is a 'hint' on that there is more of this, nier on the other hand has about 5ish games (complicated becuase of how many versions of the original nier) and automata is that big game and it only eludes to the original nier and the entire Drakengard trilogy is swept aside because there names have nothing to do with each other despite all of them connected though I for one have played automata and then went Drakengard 3 mostly thanks to clemps,Vakyrie etc for pushing it out (sorry for the long text)
@jenetix1513
@jenetix1513 4 года назад
Nightwish145 I wasn’t even aware the nier had 5 or more other games plus a whole other series attached to it...
@nightwish1453
@nightwish1453 4 года назад
@@jenetix1513 I do recommend looking at them Yoko Taro at his finest with them (except Drakengard 2 it''s part of it though Yoko wasn't in full control over it) as of now the original nier is getting re-done on the newer consoles, Sinoalice (gacha game with drakengard, nier and other random series) finally releasing globally soon which the story is directed by Yoko as well as another mobile game known as nier:reincarnation. So this year is quite active for it personally I would like to see a drakengard 4 to get some love to be shown in the public eye
@WEXgamers11
@WEXgamers11 4 года назад
got into fe with fe 7, i played mario rpg when i was 12 still waiting for geno, when i get into community i use wikis to find out what i should play or read next (first megten game was last bible 2 and didn't realize it was part of a bigger community). so i don't know if i should feel personally attacked or not lol.
@TenaciousDingo
@TenaciousDingo 4 года назад
Fuck yeah another fith and flair video.
@Yulises
@Yulises 4 года назад
Persona 4 in the background, I'm all for it! 😁
@AnimeExpoTookMyMoney
@AnimeExpoTookMyMoney 4 года назад
A True Fan reads all the things you like shoved in the TV Tropes Pantheon
@x.a.n.a.9397
@x.a.n.a.9397 4 года назад
In order to be a true fan you have act like sheen from jimmy neutron everytime he’s around ultra lord
@lunamamans7326
@lunamamans7326 4 года назад
Did you like the live action Code Lyoko? It was weird as fuck to me. Also, Sheen and Hugh were the best things on that show.
@x.a.n.a.9397
@x.a.n.a.9397 4 года назад
A J hey at least yumi and orcrics actually actors got married I called it cannon lolz
@lunamamans7326
@lunamamans7326 4 года назад
@@x.a.n.a.9397 Ya man cool. 😀
@evanmacaroni14
@evanmacaroni14 2 года назад
I believe hardcore fans are the people who play every game and enjoy every single thing. True fans are people who genuinly enjoy the thing and have played or watched it. Regular fans are people who enjoy it but may have not watched or played the thing they are a fan of, but what matters is that people are enjoying the thing
@krazyk5993
@krazyk5993 3 года назад
If you bought the thing and liked the thing about you are a fan of the thing. Facts.
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