Asking a former Intelligence Secretary about confirming top secret events at a top secret area is useless. Might as well ask him what are the secret 11 herbs and spices used at KFC.
so we go from "bob never worked on Area 51" 20 years ago to "he was the just the janitor" 10 years ago to finally "nah he was the radiation badges guy" ? Interesting.
@@dhotnessmcawesome9747more like in 30 years they'll say "Bob, or who you know as Bob, was actually a hostile alien in disguise. Which is why the government had him eliminated and his body vaporized, now no one else mention him anymore."
So much of his story has been debunked, he is a grifter. Alot of people have done independent research on it you can look into... I dont disagree that once a spook always a spook but u should look into it more
This is a hint to take the conversation with a big pinch of salt, as Jamie doesn't let stuff like this slip away, specially in the exact moment that is was.
Government Backpedalling 1990: Bob is a liar, Area 51 doesn't exist. 2000: Ok Area 51 exists but Bob is still lying about working there. 2021: Ok, Bob did work there but he didn't do anything important...
2038: Bob Lazar dies of heart attack, later that year we find out everything was true, and he only described a tenth of the craziness that was actually going on there, but Internet information overload is so bad it's impossible for anyone who didn't already follow Joe Rogan by 2022 to find out.
Explain why Lazar say they took the crafts out and made them hover or whatever yet they dont use them. Lazars story makes no sense. Hes there to figure out what makes these craft fly but they can take them out and fly them? So they know the commands or system to operate them but just wonder how its powered.. Such nonsense.
Cool conversation. I met Chris Mellon back in 96. A nice conversation with him. Was a interesting day for me. Met a lot of people that day. And yes I worked in the military at that time.
Hi, sorry for the clarification, but the 115 element, MC, is called Moscovio, Laurentium is 103. Thanks. Your program is amazing. A big greeting from Italy
@@tiffanyhendricks1860 it doesn’t corroborate shit haha That’s not how it works. All it means is they weren’t truthful about his employment status, there is no line to be drawn other than conjecture
@@albinomma And why would they keep the employment of employees secret? They wouldn't do that without any reason. That should immediately make you suspicious of them.
Anyone who works in Intelligence and Counter Intelligence for a good length of time is great at suggestion. This guy never calls Lazar a liar, he simply suggests he might be and slyly introduces some other information that sounds very plausible, but of course he only HEARD this from someone. He doesn't know directly. It's a manipulative tactic to simply create doubt. And, doubt is enough.
@@MrNiceHk Lol why did Einstien flunk it? Cause the exam was in French, something he wasn’t fluent in at the time I can see how your trying to make excuses for this total fraud, a man who was charged for being involved in a prostitute ring and again for seeking illegal chemicals. MIT holds no records of him ever having studied there.
@@MrNiceHk Another thing if he actually did work on alien aircraft, he of course had to sign a bunch of NDA’s I mean how is not rotting in some military jail rn?
He didn’t say it like that’s proof they aren’t there, he said like he immediately knew what the follow up question would be if he said he went to Area 51.
Bob Lazar passed a polygraph that was administered by one of the preeminent experts in the field in 1990. The polygrapher worked at a local police department at the time and they received a call from an unnamed government agency telling them to muzzle this guy. A few days later, the polygraphers house was broken into and it’s believed they were looking for the Lazar polygraph. They never found it and it wouldn’t have mattered because the polygrapher made copies of the document in anticipation of such shenanigans by the feds. I’ve been on the fence about the Lazar story for many years but the polygrapher is adamant that the story is truthful and I believe him.
@@robr7200 no one is talking about beyond a reasonable doubt here. We’re talking about a compelling case that appears to clear the hurdle for most reasonable people.
Bob was actually an electronics technician and was directly employed by los alamos. But was employed by a company that Los alamos lab contracted to work on their machines and equipment.
@@crunchycrackers7364 ya that’s what I said. He was employed by a company that Los alamos contracted. He wasn’t directly employed by Los alamos. And yes, thank you kerk mayer was the company he actually worked for. He wasn’t an engineer.
@@natemurray311 umm I can’t share it here. But there’s a Reddit post with over 50 sources and links to the sources. It’s not that hard to find if you actually want to go research the “real bob” for yourself.
He worked for a contractor that worked for the government, it says so in the directory where he is listed, so that’s why there’s is no record of him, and his jobs were low skilled jobs like checking badges at the door..
@@bj3956 Yeah he checked badges and then went home and built flux capacitors and rocket propelled car engines from scratch at his home lol fk this guy he’s hating lol 😂
Right, you never leave the CIA . Can you believe that Anderson Cooper was CIA then went into media ? They had to move him. He hang out in the mens room constantly. He said “ I want to be the CIAs mouthpiece, so wham ….. CNN came calling. Still employed by the CIA. Has his own bathroom
I like the way Joe baits him - like he couldn't care less about who's telling the truth - to get him to commit into feeding derogatory statements about Bob. Bob's interviews are very detailed & he doesn't stumble on questioning. He seems very credible.
@@astyanax905 i’ve never heard him contradict himself. the only time i’ve been a little concerned he was lying was when he said “they were too far away to tell the size” right after describing a hole in the side of one of the crafts. but at the same time i could imagine a situation where you could see a hole in something that you couldn’t tell its size. i also don’t understand why he wouldn’t make up some detail, like oh they were this big or this big. why would he lie about knowing their sizes?
Out of respect for the person who told him not to run his mouth on screen with what he said to him in confidence that he wouldn't. So if you were in his shoes would you tell the private story,? I highly doubt you would spill your guts like that or you wouldn't make it far in his shoes.
Well this guys job is and will always be to cover things up. That being said, the new videos of similar crafts he explained 30 years ago, are very compelling.
@@chuknorris12 But it was allegedly some awful shit the US. The same type of awful shit the intelligence secretary spent his entire career covering up.
Kinda on the fence with one foot hanging on the side that thinks he's lying. However, this guy is 100% government lying shill and he only makes me lean to the other side of the fence
You must be really really bad at sensing deception then. I bet you think alex jones is really like that, yep got a normal wife and kids but is constantly in a manic state, winking don't mean anything either... Tell me if I'm lying here: "I was abducted by aliens today. I'm not gonna do any interviews though, I've got classes at MIT. You know i dont have classes? That was the aliens, they canceled my classes... no i still can't tell you what happened, because I would be attacked for... telling the truth, everyone knows that people hate when you are honest right? Ok geez stop asking, I'll do the interview but i have a really bad migraine with no symptoms and that's gonna be why my story doesn't make sense and I'll use it to get out of questions." Can you honestly tell whether I was abducted by aliens or not?
Joe Rogan: "I don't want to say too much because he told me not to talk about it so I'll tell you off-air." Remind me to never tell any secrets to Joe Rogan.
Bob was the first to tell the world about 51, S4, UnunPentium/element 115 in the EIGHTIES! His story has never changed. The feds made his life hell, he got divorced, lost his job, and he still told the same story. did not make any $ off the story, didnt really even want to talk about it after all the drama. He seems real deal. Although anything is possible. Seems like a lot of people want to take him down and discredit him which is exactly what they do when they want someone out of the way.
He made a book (called Dreamland) and profited from it. Also, he sells stuff related to Area 51, S4 even signed sketches of the UFO on his website. How can you say he never made money from it?
I do believe lazar. But the 115 thing isn’t a good piece of evidence. If you understand the periodic table. It’s very predictable. We know there are elements into the two hundreds. More than that. They can tell you exactly what numbers those are. Simply by following the clear pattern of elements. It’s very reliable. The problem is. The higher the number the less stable generally. That’s why the higher numbers have yet to be “observed” they dissipate so quickly. Element 115 as described by lazar was stable. Element 115 as described by science as we know it. Is not stable. The properties lazar talked about with his 115 are not the properties of 115 as we know it. I believe he worked with some element. But was it 115? Or something else?
@@eliasc1947 It was George Knapp who wrote the book. It was a biography of Bob's life, mostly the Area 51 stuff and the events that took place after they told that story. Also, Knapp made the movie about Bob Lazar, it was never Bob behind those projects. I can't say he made $0 but he never profited as much as people would think. Again, because none of those were HIS projects.
Elements have a place in the Periodic Table of the Elements even if they aren't yet discovered. That's the way Mendeleev worked out the Table, by calculating the properties of the unknown elements and placing them in their right order. As for his sufferings for telling the truth, well, this is not the way to take someone down who is not supposed to talk about heavily protected military secrets. Lazar is still alive, free to go where he wants to go and keeps telling his story.
@@myselfandeye3884 people like you i feel sorry for he’s clearly a puppet and btw there more invested in the tech not the infinite intelligent species of the universe
@@myselfandeye3884 Nobody is talking about aliens, we are talking about their flying disks, and everything was probably moved the second bob lazar put area 51 on the map. Would be stupid to keep anything there with all the attention around it.
@Jason Evans he is the Government 😂 Look up his resumé. Rogan is asking the lead agent in this psyop what he thinks about another intell agent used in a previous, but related psyop.
@@ryanjones5592 The government needs to do a little better than that, saying no he didn't work there...ok he did work there but his job was to check the badges for radiation. A brilliant scientist and that was his job give me a break, and what the hell is going on there where they would need to hire a guy to check badges for radiation. WTF that may have been the dumbest reason I ever heard on why they don't believe Bob Lazar.
How about you just come online and tell us all you are going to talk about the interesting stuff and the conspiracys so we cannot hear it, sounds like the start of a great show of lies!
Which Joe and Jeremy said all three of them had some drinks the night before when joe went to dinner with them and Bob said I haven't drank in years .. I think he was basically hung over that's where his headache came from
No he never worked there. And if he did he only scanned badges for radiation. So he never worked there and he has no educational background. But he probably could build you a laser😂😂😂😂
I am here having another look at C. Mellon's glasses. I have never noticed a pair of glasses that are 'so' nearly invisible on video. Very interesting. Hardly any glare or shiny parts, barely perceptible frame. I notice the screw. Amazing.
I listened to Lazar’s entire interview. Nobody is that good of a liar. I believe Lazar story. I tend to take government representatives analysis of Lazars story with a large helping of salt. If a government official verified Lazars story they’d be fired and their life destroyed just as they destroyed Lazars life.
Well, there's certainly nothing more riveting for the fans of a show than to keep hearing, "shhh, we shouldn't talk about that. I'll tell you offline." I'm so glad we got to be a part of that.
I love your interview style and your ways to take any word as either to believe or not to believe with balanced skepticism. I didn't know you existed until I listened to your podcasts over last 3 days and now I feel like I know you from a century ago.
If I had a dollar for everytime I heard Joe say what's interesting about Bob is that he has told the exact same story since the late 80s, I'd have 18 dollars.
I don’t think someone telling the same story forever means they must be telling the truth. If I’m going to lie about working on a spaceship, it’s not hard to stick to the same story. It’s not like I’d suddenly forget the plot to a movie I’ve seen a hundred times.
Id bet Lazar would be the first to tell you the same. He said he was hired for "thinking outside the box". Who knows what is real. All the alien stuff coming out seems to me as an excuse for more military spending. But who knows. Maybe the aliens will all look like Kate Upton and take me for experimentation
Lazar is a liar. How can you possibly believe Bob is ready and willing to expose what would be by far the most sensitive, classified, earth shattering, course of humanity altering secrets any government has ever managed or even tried to keep hidden, but when it comes to his education background he simply can't reveal the truth that explains why there is no evidence whatsoever proving he attended a school. It's just too secret, he can't reveal what explains that massive hole in his story. Well, he can, but only off the record to Joe Rogan. Give me a break. He can't name a single professor he worked with while earning a Master's degree. Nobody at MIT when he claimed to attend has ever come forward even to say "yeah the name was familiar." He has never tried to prove the government told MIT to destroy the records by naming a single faculty member he worked with. It's like item #1 when people say they don't believe his story, and rather than make even the tiniest effort to vindicate himself, it's all simply too secret for him to talk about. The guy exposing Area 51's secrets. Think.
It’s not hard. He’s literally claiming the government has alien vessels and super advanced technology hidden from the general public. You don’t have to know much to know that’s far fetched. If that were true do you really think that only one guy would come out and tell people about it?
I found that interesting too……. Apparently his boss said he just swiped the radiation badges. As soon as he said that I knew he was still under orders to shut him down.
The fact that someone would claim to be his boss while they also claim that he didn't work there, just makes bob lazar seem even more authentic. They did this to Lou, they claimed he didn't work there and then suddenly they claimed he did but had less power. If Bob was just the badge guy why didn't they just say he was the badge guy up front, and all of this could have been avoided. Now I believe his story even more. 🤷🏽♂️
Its ridiculous for them to claim a guy like Bob only tested radiation. I mean if you watch his recently leaked video of him discussing and demonstrating his hydrogen powered corvette, he not only built the thing but he also built a particle accelerator in his garden to make Hydride which is an illegal substance to buy but there is a loop hole in that it isnt illegal to make. He fully demonstrates how it all works how he makes hydride and how safe the whole thing is.
@@1183newman yea, the fact that they erased his education makes him appear more authentic as well. He clearly went to the schools he claims he did. And saying he didn't, gives him so much credibility. Theres a lot of things people can BS about. But you cant Lie your way into understanding quantum physics lol.
I 100% believe Bob Lazar. In the early 80's my Mom dated an Engineer that described to me, some of the exact same things Bob did years later. To include the base in the side of a mountain and how he would fly in from LV to work there.
Lets take Bob over there, he's got a complete knowledge of propulsion systems and physics, He'd be perfect for scanning everyones badges. Sounds legit.
Thank you 👏🏼. I believe in being skeptical to an extent but rather how joe explained it, it’s better to be objective instead of just looking for shit to disprove. But that makes zero sense for someone to be hired somewhere that completely tried to wipe out any evidence or info of him working there simply for scanning badges.
@@savedfaves At least it proves that they're trying to cover up something he is saying. Could be as simple as the logistics at s4 who knows. Not a purely scientific opinion on my part but the gut feeling.
He worked in los alamos, not for los alamos. He worked for Kirk Meyer a sub contracting company as a technician. His name has a KM next to it in the phone book. He is not a physicist.
I call it sense of humanity. Worked at a dark government shit and managed himself to get out, SURVIVE and expose the most important truth of human history. Justice.
@@discgolfinrude He was referring to the fact that this clip had a huge edit. What they cut out was likely the best part. It won't be on Spotify either. Spotify sucks , but sign up is free
Been a Spotify prem. subscriber for many years and it's been great. Except for JRE(almost specifically). I will confidently claim the podcast was waaaay better off on RU-vid; aside from fiscal concerns, of course.
@@claytonreid996 I know right? I just want people to understand that there’s no power in believing a guy like Bob Lazar. Conspiracy theories are like intellectual junk food. Tastes great going down, gives you a rush of happy chemicals, but ultimately leaves you lacking. I used to believe Lazar… when I was like 16. But there’s enough information out there to paint a clear picture of what the guy really is. Some dude who had a low level technician’s job at LANL and maybe Area 51, got fired because his personal life made him a security risk, and came up with a wild story to save his dignity.
Ok. Heres one, did you know that Bob Lazar owned a brothel? That's not a joke. Apparently at a certain point in his life, he got in some financial trouble and started a whore house with a friend. Its was eventually busted by the feds and he was arrested. I believe it took place in late 80's but I might be wrong about that time frame.
I think that before Joe retires from the internet he should do one last show on all the stories and conversations he had offline. He could call the show JRE Unredacted...
You would of thought that the guy checking badges for radiation in area 51 would be military personnel and not some science junkie they picked from a magazine.
Unfortunately people like Joe and yourself can be duped with feelings and bullshit. If Lazar was working on *ABOVE* top secret stuff, that could give a country an incredible advantage over it's rivals not to mention change course of human history, he would not have been allowed to talk about it for last 30 years. They'd come up with fake charges and thrown him in jail or killed him off and made it look like an accident. Sure it would catch the news but after months or years it would fade away from public memory.
@@coryce258 you and me both. Its more like theft under the threat of violence and imprisonment. I get especially chapped when they spend it on crazy shit that directly harms me, my ability to earn a living, my safety, etc. we pick the worst our country has to offer to make rules for us (that they dont have to live under/be a part of)
But in the meantime remember Slick Willie was a "Regular" on "Lolita Express" in meantime remember "Iran China Venezuela " Are the Enemy Yet Look at Military Bases Maps .....Last Time I Checked they called it South China Se NOT South USA or South UK Sea.........
I'd be willing to bet that guy didn't want cast Lazar in a negative light, considering he was a guest of the show and an acquaintance of Rogan's. He probably just told Joe why he thinks Lazar is lying.
I think the strongest argument Bob has going for him is the fact that it would be so weird to be persecuted for a lie, and to then keep up that lie knowing how difficult it is making your life. He's to smart for that.
In the Lazar interview, my favourite line was bringing back a motorcycle back to the 1800s. Yes they could turn it on, but wouldn't know what to make of the plastic fender
Well yeah, because it's military base like any other. Area 51 was established, because the CIA needed a test site for the U-2 spy plane. This site would then be reused for A-12, which evolved into the SR-71. Then in the late 60s, it served as a testbed for recently acquired aircraft from defectors like Munir Redfa(Mig 21). and Viktor Belenko(Mig 25). This squadron was called the Red Hats, and operate still to this day.
@@emodude35 Because there's nothing inbetween, they are both absolutes. What's more, if you know anything about the Fermi paradox, and Kardashev scale. You quickly realize that's its litterally impossible for aliens to be at Area 51.
