It has to start at some point right? For Gerald, what triggered it was, as he said, for the first time in a long time, he was watching the reviews on the other side, the side of the consumers.
I think this was just a powder keg waiting to be sparked. Gerald had an opportunity to be briefed on the camera ahead of the event and was at least somewhat aware of the products shortcomings and limitations. I read about the camera and after watching 5-6 or more videos on the S9, very VERY few people spent much time discussing these limitations or highlighting how the camera is held back. It paints the camera in a more flattering light than it may really deserve. The S9 is honestly a niche camera and its restrictions in photography, video record times, lack of headphone jack, no hot shoe for ANY flash because it only has an electronic shutter….yeah, the product is HIGHLY limited in who it would work for. Sadly, many of these reviews I watched didn’t really talk too much about how severely limiting these attributes could be - and you bet your butt there was an affiliate link in the descriptions to hopefully get some kick back from a sale.
You didn’t hear criticism on Sony cameras? Really? Confirmation bias is real dude! No other camera manufacturer has received more mixed feedback than Sony (from rolling shutter, awful ergonomics, lackluster led panels, menus, same sensors, the list is endless) Gerald’s dead on with his video on all fronts
The level of critisism that other company get is far more pronounced than most of the critisicm Sony gets in the past couple of years. most of those things you brought up are from the A6000s and Gen 2 era of Sony's. They're cameras still have flaws and no one is arguing they don't get criticized, but the level of criticism and heated discussions that Panasonic is getting (and Canon, Blackmagic and Nikon at other points the past few years as well) is far more vocal than the criticism that Sony or DJI get from there cameras. Just look at the coverage the Sony Burano got compared to the coverage of the Blackmagic Pyxis. There's arguments that the pyxis less issues than the Burano at significantly higher cost (bad rolling shutter, IR Pollution using the ND Filters, limited sensor recording options ect), but the Burano criticism was no where nearly as harsh compared a camera that's a fraction of it's cost.
Thanks for the commentary. I in some ways am happy that it sparked open conversations. Like you I don't think we need the drama but feedback is usually valuable. If I was changing camera systems and making videos about how great my new camera is or how it's the best ever every week...it would be fatiguing to the audience and I would hope that someone would call me out so I could learn and evolve. I think that is what was the driving force behind the drama that unfolded. People are kind of over the "I'm switching to" or "the ULTIMATE XYZ" from some of the creators who took the brunt of the comment hits. Back to Gerald's video though, I think he made an excellent point about censorship and that to me is an even bigger topic because of the way it implicates the "RU-vidr reviewers". From some of the comments it looks like some of the RU-vidrs got defensive which helped spark the flames. Personally, I'm like if the shoe fits...and if it doesn't then don't shoehorn yourself into the mix. IRL none of this actually matters right, we're all adults and we should all have the ability to reason and make decisions for our selves without seeking validation for our purchases.
Thanks for your comments man. Absolutely. People need to just go with gear that works for you and don’t worry about justifying it if it ain’t a client.
My advise is that you read Robin Wongs blog he wrote on this topic. Look at Robinwong.blogspot. Robin himself was former Olympus employee and former Olympus ambassador. I agree with him 100%. As he said this was done before the creation of You Tube and by all companies. If you are black listen or not invited then you are not relevant as you think you are. Also Gerard does not understand the function of media which is a way that producers show their products to their markets. Gordon Laing of Cameras replied to Gerard that he has been for 30 years a journalist covering cameras for different magazine and as a journalist you go to all this events to inform your audience of new products or new trends. That is the function of media. Some will like the products other don’t.
Too much drama anymore with camera channels. Between the whining about not being able to make millions/year anymore and arguing over who has the 'honest' reviews - cripes. They're just cameras. Relax. 😀(not directed at you James) It's why I love Camera Conspiracies' channel. He gets it.
They are only complaining about it because it is Panasonic event.... No one dare piss off Sony, Nikon or Canon. cutting those off, you are DEAD as a camera youtuber. Picking on Lumix that has 2% market share? you can come off getting more views. Try finding ONE critical or constructive critical review from a big RU-vidr about CaNiSoni. You are not. Every time they release a camera, it is THE BEST CAMERA EVAH!
@@SlavGuns yeah almost every camera review RU-vidr tore it to shreds because of overheating (and as someone who actually had the camera and used it for several paid gigs, it was no where near as bad as everyone made it out to be) Almost every camera company has been pulled through the ringer even Nikon and Blackmagic, the only one you could possibly make the argument is Sony and maybe DJI but even then there’s been critique by quite a few in the RU-vid space.
@@JamesJacksonFilmz hahaha, for sure, DJI is the one that shall not be talked negatively about... or no more drones for you. =) I definitely see a lot of people putting Sony on pedestal. And I get it, i've been to a few of their events. Way too much affiliate revenue not to promote Sony either.
I've seen so many videos on the LUMIX event. Personally, I think it's gotten out of hand. After hearing about the Insta360 issue - which I think is much worse then LUMIX's situation - I am not surprised by what's been happening. LUMIX, along with other camera manufacturers, are businesses. Businesses will do what they do to generate sales, etc. Sometimes they get carried away, like Insta360. But, I think the LUMIX situation has been beaten like a dead horse. One RU-vidr even went as far as saying that LUMIX is "dead". Sorry, but, that is total hyperbole. Other businesses, not just camera manufacturers, have behaved in similar fashion and paid the price. But, they tend to bounce back after correcting their course. For myself, I am more concerned with the content creators reviews. Too often content creators treat their reviews as if they're factual and more than their opinion. I only trust a few RU-vid content creators myself when it comes to camera and lens reviews. LUMIX will recover I believe. But, I am still more critical of reviewers more so than manufacturers.
It's happening now because subjectively consumers are saying the S9 is rather disappointing, but the RU-vidrs who were flown out are just making hype videos without proper authenticity and honesty. The fear of being cancelled as Gerald mentioned by a brand for being too critical of their products. Unfortunately, the RU-vidrs who went got bad comments because they seemed like shills without having a true voice. That's where the big issues come up.
Well Gerald is a clear Shill for Sony. And consumers that have NEVER used the camera are acting as if they have used it. That's where the REAL issue is.
I can assure you most of the RU-vidrs I know first hand. They are not worried about losing access to these brands. There’s several other means they can get hands on cameras without going through the companies themselves
Seriously, did you watch the reviews of the youtubers who went to Osaka ?? They had fun with the camera but they warn about the absence of the evf, headphone jack, mechanical shutter, the disappointing f8 lens, the recording limitations. All this hate is a bit ridiculous. Some people try to build a mythology of evil forces (RU-vidrs who went to Osaka) vs The good guys (Spec sheet reader who didn't touch the camera)
My biggest problem is that these companies bring in influencers who are not in the target market of the product. I don't think it would have been too difficult with the S9. If the focus of the camera is short-form video then invite people who make RU-vid Shorts, TikTok, and Reels. However, it would mean shorter and less thorough reviews. I think that would fit the target market anyway.
I think camera reviewers take themselves too seriously. Jerry goes on a rant because he felt left out.... I've been purchasing and using cameras for 50 years and I've never purchased a camera because a reviewer loved it, nor did I ever not purchase a camera because they hated it. I watch reviews to see what the product looks like and I make a decision based on how I would use it. I used to watch the CC guy way back when he was in another country then moved back to Canada but I watched him for entertainment and never took anything he said seriously. I got tired of him and unsubscribed years ago but most reviewers have their own deal and if they can make money from it then good for them. They don't want to hear this but nobody needs them anymore as you can return anything you don't like so if you need a camera then just buy one. Don't like it return it and buy something else. We should do a go fund me to send Jerry to Japan.
You mean Gerard Undone. Robin Wong said it in his blog, if you had not been invited then you are not important as you think. This is one of his main frustration. Look how emphasized on being ‘used’ by manufacturers and that you are dispossible. He simply does not have a training in communication or journalism hence he doesn’t understand his place of You Tubers.
I stop trying to hear what reveiwers are trying to sell i try to get and overview of the product features and mostly a good review would take 30mins so if its less than 15min its a pitch,
Well factor in the Cost of actually buying a Given product as opposed to being flown over to places like Japan. So I am not buying into the theory of flipping the cost in that context. Factor in waiting wayyy after the Gear Launch and then using YOUR own Money to buy or pay for a loaner. Also, any REAL so call Pro isn't go to have an real issue using a CAMERA. It's not Rocket Science. Now setting up a Cinema camera, sure, most reviewers likely can't just do that. But I am speaking of not those types of cameras. But Non Cinema. This is literally what BUILT the fame and fortune of many of the Big YTube Channels. But sure, now it's costing them money, well don't go, problem solved. Buy/rent and review the Gear after you have used your own funds, problem solved. So I don't want to hear all the yTubers, crying me a River.
Also if Gerald and others say RU-vidrs should not do this any more.. i hope they return all the money they made with their previous reviews and affiliate links... if they say they are really humble ... i dont think they will hahaha
I'll agree with the repackaging of sensors by Sony gets not much attention but, when the others do the same, they get flak. A 12MP sensor camera for $3,500? The other guys would get roasted over this however, it was waved off as "good enough" for photos as who needs more than that, lol! Later came the FX3, FR7 and ZV-E1 (I think there is another PTZ that uses that sensor, don't remember the name), with some additional software features, which Sony will not add to existing cameras as they want to sell the new camera, at inflated prices for the class it competes in. All manufacturers from what I've seen use similar sensors in their line up or their newer camera, they shouldn't get grief if the other guys isn't.
@@JamesJacksonFilmz Exactly. For them to build a no compromise unit, it will cost more than folks want to pay and be larger and heavier than most would want. They have to make compromises somewhere.
If 4k is enough for arri..... I wish more companies would release real 4k cameras at super high frame rates. It needs new sensor tech however and there's a shortage.
its a video centric camera........you dont need a lot of MP. They also have cameras with 50 and 61 mp......that do different things. The a7siii and fx3 are the way they are for a reason.
If ppl cant see through the "Milli Vannili" youtube "reviewers" , its on them. Takes me one look to know who is trustworthy and who are trying/doing it to get views. What (most) youtuber "creators" have is zero experience in business, marketing &/ advertisement, you tube is basically ads for the brands, nothing more. No Major brands (very few) use RU-vid as a outlet to buy their products. "Free trip" - its on you (tubers) to capitalize on these events, find doors to open and advance in the "business". RU-vidrs need to be held accountable for creating this "drama",, FUN FACT: There is no drama. Absolutely zero... Its kinda more of sour grapes imo, Gerald is late on this... i know Gerald dont need "free" trips, but to say it cost money to go on these events, then you failed to capitalize on it, and thats on them... Take responsibility should be the message..
I definitely hear you and as I said in my video, individual channels need to find their unique voice and resolve how to execute for these videos. The great thing about our space is the vast amount of perspectives for similar products.
Perhaps the difference this time was the product, the S9, was not worth all the praise that was heaped on it. Other camera launches had something worth launching, but not this time. The S9 has so many normal things missing that it was just embarrassing to praise.
There have been other camera launches that I've witness, that I had other people in conversation with me and we all agreed we confused by the reason of the camera. The A7cR and A7C II launches are good examples I have off the top of my head.
People trashed a camera that THEY DID NOT HAVE ON HAND TO TEST. In short, some reviewers like Gerald got butt hurt from way back at the S5ii release when LUMIX didn’t invite him to Japan. Stop being emotional lol
IMO it must be hard AF to get only two days or so with a camera and be expected to do a full, thorough review. For example, I think Chris and Jordan did a good job, given the time constraints. The real test is after the reviewer has had at least a month to play with it. What reviewers should do is emphasize that this first review is a "first look" only, with a fuller review to come later. Some are better at that than others. The S9, while we're on the subject, seems to be a very odd release. It's aimed at vloggers and content creators. But such short recording time limits? No IBIS? Why? Just to save space? [EDIT: the S9 has IBIS. But video in numerous recording modes is cropped. Also, no EVF, a cold shoe instead of a hot shoe, so no flash. No headphone port. Last, its implementation of LUTs seems confusing for the beginner videographer the S9 is aimed for.]
Panasonic give all around 150 content creators a camera for loaner for a long period of time. So this is not a problem or any issue at all. So this whole argument of Gerard Undone is none sense. The problem he has is that Lumix is inviting many You Tubers around the world periodically to their events. After the event and embargo everyone post a video. But why he does care about this videos? Is it his time and effort? Why does he says that does initial videos does not get views and hence not revenue? Did he asked that this people care about the views that they are missing by releasing this videos? Problem is that Gerard is a RU-vid Tubers and he cares about views but the others are professionals videographers and photographers who You Tube is their side job.
@@angeloplayforonevery few "RU-vidrs" "content creators" have any real world experience with brands and marketing, but they all want to "get that bag" like they provide a service,, lolol..no seriously,, LOL.. Earn it, dont expect it.
Gerald thinks manufacturer's are going to list their weak points?? Da'Fuq'?? C'Mon Man.. No company us telling you what is "wrong" with their product...that was so....weird to even say,, ok it was stupid LoL..
Drama creates drama. Bottom line is if someone is trying to make their living on RU-vid and has a following, brands may come knocking for an opportunity to advertise their products. The money the brands are spending are ADVERTISING dollars, they expect to get good publicity from their advertising dollars and if they don't they will use it elsewhere. The entitlement of some RU-vidrs and the seeming inability to understand this is the real issue here, not the fact that brands expect their advertising dollars to work for them. Grow up RU-vid.
@@JamesJacksonFilmz Curious as to what Gerald is doing to help resolve this problem he brings up? Did he approach any brands on his issues? Didn't he make a "RU-vid" video expressing his frustration? ... Did he reach out to any "content creators" (at the event & not) to get their position on anything? Did Gerald just make money from complaining about something he was not invited to & did not attend? (Actually Genius) Don't get me wrong, I love Gerald, I'm Canadian, but... Dont raise the alarm if you are not going to contribute to a "solution".. Time is money, I can't afford this debate, lol. ...it could go on & on & on...
Oh Sony is the love interest of many of these RU-vid creators. I really hear anyone talk about their shortcomings. They all went crazy when the ev-1 came out. At this point I just watch gear reviews for entertainment purposes.
Wasn't the issue raised is regarding how different camera companies react differently to the reviewer's first impressions of their new launches and that influences the type of video that is put out? The fear of stepping on the toes of the more vindictive brands makes it harder to put a more balanced first impression/review, especially for new camera reviewers who are trying to build up their viewer base. Some companies accept the critiques and take it into account in future product development while others just stop sending invites to product launches.
Bro, you are absolutely right. I'm also puzzled as to why Lumix is being targeted so much this time, it's no longer within the normal scope of discussion, everyone is going overboard.
I do say one of the bright side of this is having an open conversation about how we all feel (RU-vid Creators) feel about the whole situation and see what we can all try to do to improve it.
There's no review drama. The reviews were so critical and based, with appropriate disclosures. There's a guy who did this after not getting invited on 2 trips. And, he's trying to hurt you and other creators.
You argue with your spouse a lot I bet. You got those opinions based on that video and is nowhere near the facts/truth what he was talking about. Or you're a kid. I'd love to see some quotes from his video how you came to that conclusion. Because one of the firs thing he says people who went to Japan were his friends and they give fair critiques and put out good videos on gear. The fact that other creators on RU-vid agree with his points of view also says something. So not sure how you came out with that he's purposely trying to hurt creators.
I hope to be wrong, but many RU-vidrs (Gerald and others) are just jealous because Panasonic is now at a same level in many ways as Sony, Canon .. so they talk bad about a camera S9 because they are not the Lumix Main Top Photographers ... so they dont want Consumers to switch to Panasonic.. they Did the same thing to Nikkon Z8 , they said it is bad but in many ways is superior to sony or canon ... This RU-vidrs just complain so you dont go to other RU-vidrs.... sony EV1 is a remade S74 and they all loved it as a B CAM ... and now they dont love the S9 as a B CAM for the S5Ii
Also RU-vidrs does not realize REGULAR people does not have much Money... if i only have 2.000 dollars .. i may prefer the S9 plus a good lenses and be done ... than an S5ii or x .. and not being able to but any lenses for a year while i save money and only use the kit lense.... in that way it really males sense the S9
“Where was all this energy before? It’s not new” That’s a bad way to look at things. If you consider any ethical position, someone at some point decided to speak up about it, before which everyone just went along with the status quo. Also, people change their minds. If you’ve benefited from a certain system, does that mean when you realise it’s a bad system, you can’t say anything about it?
If you have gained from the system and don’t return said gains. Then you’re essentially burning a bridge after you successfully crossed it vs still being on the bridge. Of course they can speak on it. Anyone can speak on it, but your voice carries less water when you gained from the system you now criticize
@@JamesJacksonFilmz Thinking critically, you should always be assessing the point, not who said it or what they’ve done in the past. Is the point a good one or bad one, not “you did it too”. Regarding Gerald, you seem to have understood his point but not at the same time, I’m not sure. His point is, the system of rushing reviews and especially doing it while on a trip is not good for the consumers, your subscribers, that’s it. And he tries not to do that himself.
The hypocrisy comes in when he says it's the first time he has gotten a chance to sit back and watch it from our point of view since he wasn't at the press event. I call bull💩 because he acknowledged that it's not just a camera issue but an issue with products in general. This means he has always been aware. You can not tell me he has never seen all the youtubers do the EXACT same thing with Apple iPhones or the Samsung Galaxy phones year after year for a decade plus!
Gerald opened a can of worms and he should start to eat them...but all the fanboys will refrain from the "attack" cause it's their "buddy".. 91% of camera reviewers are nothing more than a consumer (who returns the product) with an opinion..lol. An angry window shopper lol..
Regarding Sony I’m not agree with you. The ZV line is for Vloggers but not videographers has the FX line. For photographers there is the A7 line. An example is that many photographers hate fan or flippy screen where videographers hate overheating and want no record limit. Here is the problem that you need to bring different bodies for the different use cases. The base technology is the same, but the experience and use is different.
Okay. I hear you but answer me this question. If the ZV-1 has the same sensor as the A7s3 same ISO performance, same recording capabilities (for the most part) and same functionality as an A7s 3 but stripped down and has more limitations and overheats more often. How is it better for content creators if they can get the same exact results with the higher end camera? That’s literally the exact same thing Panasonic did with the S9 compared to the S5 II.
@@JamesJacksonFilmz Because the ZV line is for you tubers that does not understand or care about specs. As one of the guys who went to the Lumix event said after he returned and his wife picked the S9. His wife picked the S9 and used it and said directly this is the first camera you have that doesn’t so much confusing dials and technical details that I have to take into consideration when using the camera. Then he asked his wife that the S9 does not have a viewfinder. Then his wife asked him what is a viewfinder after she already made video with the camera and posted those video on social media. What is a viewfinder? That is the funny question he received as answer. Sorry but many does not understand that some people wants to take pictures and make video of quality without having the feeling to be an engineer or technician. Hence you have to stripped the camera down. Another You Tuber who went to the event and came back with the S9 said that his girlfriend, owner of a restaurant, took the camera and use it to make photos and videos on social media to promote her restaurant. At that moment he understand immediately why the dumb down this camera. To make it less technical and intimidating for the user who doesn’t want to be a professional or hobbyist videographer or photographer.
