Then Sith comes Step 1: Take the Drop out Step 2: encourage the emo feelings Step 3: give partial training Step 4: Make them think they are sith Step 5: repeat And when they Fail They ain't really sith double the rejection!!
@@jasperreyes5174 It's worth keeping in mind; Allya was either (in Legends) a Jedi Knight who, for whatever reasons, was sent to a Republic prison colony on Dathomir, or (in Canon) a semi-mythological figure in Dathomirian history (there is debate over whether she was real or a fabricated Arthurian-esque character). She wasn't set loose, she was jailed. Although she did evidently convert the other female prisoners (proto-Dathomiri), it wasn't like the Jedi just set her loose on the galaxy. _____ Jensaarai weren't Jedi exiles, they were the result of one wackjob Jedi named Tyrus stealing a bunch of Jedi and Sith manuscripts, running off to parts unknown, and threw together a new order from the Frankenstein Jedi/Sith teachings he'd hobbled together. It is worth keeping in mind that he went looney from those mixed teachings. _____ The Imperial Knights were an institution created from scratch by the Fel Empire, a successor state (one of many, but by far the most successful and longevous) to the Galactic Empire. They had absolutely no connection to the Jedi Order, aside from the first empress almost certainly being Jaina Solo (a very-much *not* fallen Jedi Knight), had significantly different teachings, obligations, creeds and purposes.
I'm the type of guy who would fail on purpose, just to be sent to the Librarian Corps. Spending all day in a building full of knowledge, that's not punishment, that's a dream come true.
I don't think you'd have to fail on purpose. Just tell the Jedi that's what you think your calling is, and they will probably let you transfer voluntarily.
other cores are very good too. much much more preferable than bodyguarding the politicians. not saying that work is bad. its a very honorable duty. but education, agriculture (basically being able to eat and feed), frontier patrol/research, medical work are definitely not!!! punishments. to me, listening tax disputes is. can turn me straight to the dark side asap. however, archeology, thats life.
In, my head-canon, I like to believe that the Council of Reassisgnment Tower has literally become a dark side nexus in itself. All the sorrow, pain, loneliness and anger would literally linger around its walls... and any youngling that walks into the room would instantly be exposed to the dark side of the force, creating a negative feedback loop. It's the place where tens of thousands of kids go to have their dreams broken, be told that they are worthless and unloved. Failing the trials would be the moment your reality as a Jedi changes from "family" to "meat droid". They go in on conveyor belts to be reasigned for spare parts by a Council of Droids, who give you the same rehearsed speech they've given to hundreds before, while all you are allowed to do is stand and repeat "yes master". You don't even get a say in which corp to go to, or any hope to become a respectable Jedi through any path besides the "knight". The room itself would be a powerful nexus of the dark side. The fact that the Jedi would allow this to exist would show the complete perversion and corruption of the entire Jedi Order before their fall. They would ignore the presence of the dark side around them and blame it on the younglings, ignoring the fact that they are putting them through an immense danger and trial when they are already in a vulnerable state. So stuck in their ways that they ignore that they are sitting in a shady room where you can barely see through the dark side fog. All they really needed to do was show that there are other paths to being a great Jedi besides a Knight. And not just with bogus empty words, what they should have done was give corps members representation on the High Council. All younglings should have been given the hope that "ok, so I don't actually have to be a knight. I can still be a Scholar or Healer and even end up on the High Council if I'm good!" Problem solved. But nah, if you're not good at killing and shit, no soup for you! And just the idea of a tournament deciding if you're a good Jedi sounds extremly Sith to me honestly. Shouldn't they be trying to determine the will of the force by something more spiritual and individual? A combat tournament is literally the most barbaric basic shit you could think of.
That’s a brilliantly articulated thought. It’s genuinely fascinating how corrupt the Order became while still firm in their belief that they were the ‘good guys.’ Honestly that’s a Shakespearean tragedy waiting to happen. A child, taken from their home and raised in a cultish environment, told their whole life that their whole purpose is to reach greatness by becoming a Knight, only to be unceremoniously abandoned when they prove to be imperfect. With no way to become a hero, they decide to fulfill their purpose by becoming a villain. After it doesn’t matter what you do, as long as people call you ‘great’.
This is the state which Jedi served in which they have an order 66 before Palpatine was born, was easily taken advantage of by him, was ran by filthy capitalists who can even invade planets, and generally forgot how to politics. If they hired better people you would think that Palpatine would be arrested, or never have emerged as a dark lord.
But yeah, even George Lucas believed at first that ANH will be a flop, and it turns out it didn’t, so they have to build up a logical system upon a base that didn’t even try to be logical.
I usually hate "head-canons" but I really like this,the council went out of its way to "prop up" the re-assignment core but it had to be an unspoken rule that those who weren't Knights were seen as inferior by the knights and the padawans who were sent there. In the Jedi book each core has a note about how the cores should take pride and try to be humble.
Imagine getting kidnapped by an order of space wizards, taken from your parents, only to be booted out with no idea what to do next, let alone the rest of your life. You’d think the least they could do if they’re gonna kick you out of the order is to point you in the direction of your parents/relatives, that way if you had people in your life you might not be as tempted to join the dark side, (I have been informed that the Jedi didn’t always take the children against parents wishes, I’m just too lazy to rewrite the paragraph doods.)
imagine sending specialists to find your artifacts instead of sending your acolytes into deadly tombs to see who comes back alive this post brought to you by the sith empire
While watching this video it got me thinking what if Cal found one of these washouts in fallen order 2? Like a 14yr old that failed the initiate trials
Lyra erso has a Khyber crystal, dresses like a Jedi, believes in the force, met galen on an expedition and ends up as a farmer. Was lyra a failed padawan?
It would make for some great storytelling if that’s looked into. My only doubt is that because she was in the system as a Jedi, the republic and thus the empire would’ve known of her existence and would’ve identified her seeing her around Galen.
I read somewhere that she was initially conceived as an order 66 survivor. But this was dropped somewhere along the line. Probably to make the Jedi less important in the story of rogue one. Seeing how much was still retained, it was dropped quite lately in development.
Most fail Jedi padawans just become support for actual Jedi Knights and Jedi Masters. There both the agricultural core, medical care, and the exploration core. All these non-combat aspects for Jedi Padawans are absolutely vital for all of the Order.
@@TheViolinMan19 No, just no. Jedi might take children practically at bird, but they didn't make underage kids mess around with each other to produce offspring. Brothel core sounds like a Sith thing
@@willhyde5026 Jedi kidnapped infants. I’m not saying they made underage kids mess around with each other. Just that there was an 18+ core for stress relief for master Yoda
@@TheViolinMan19 Nah. But it looks like Agricorps were encouraged to marry to populate the planets they were stationed at (Kreia's line about "failed apprentices seeding Telos with farmers"). Given Sensitivity runs in families? This would be a softer way to keep track of Sensitive bloodlines and get breeding stock
I'm beginning to see why the Jedi order had to fall, it appears that the order had lost sight of the difference between right and wrong and a fundamental truth is that they were creating their own worse enemies by kicking them out of the order instead of encouraging them to keep trying to prove themselves worthy of becoming Knights!
@@codename1176 I agree the Jedi Corps should be a career choice. Chosen by the individuals desired goals. Not by someone forcing their destiny upon another. Without any say on the matter. Another reason why the Jedi order is flawed on how they manage their organization.
I mean sure, some people would just clearly not have what it takes to be a Knight. But "you have to be chosen as a Padawan while still a teenager or else you get sent to be a farmer" is stupid.
@@acreativeeccentric.9312 Apprently its a thing now after people began trying to ostracize people for not being attracted to people identifying themselves as Trans.
So they got kidnapped / taken from their parents, trained to be Jedis when they didnt ask for it and then told that they weren't "good enough" and discarded? The Sith couldn't have done any better...
The service corps seem like a much better place to me than actually being a jedi knight, especially the explorers. Ngl I'd rather be an explorer or in the edu corps than a jedi knight.
Yeah, if you think about it, these corps sounds like way better options. You can choose an exciting adventurous life, enjoying a peaceful life as a magic farmer, actively being a magical healer and help thousands of people, or just shut yourself in, enjoying knowledge from millions of books and records gathered for million of years. You don't even need to go through a job interview for these jobs, the Order gonna set up almost everything for you then train you for the task as well. All you get from becoming actual Jedi is being trained to throw your life away for a better cause (no love, no attachment, no emotions), and some cool laser swords techniques i guess. (Well, you learn about the force too but I'm not too fond of religious studies so meh)
Imagine getting "adopted" by some space wizard cult and then getting kicked out from the only place you can home without any practical skill or knowledge to live in the normal society. No wonder most turn to the dark side to fend for them self.
I wonder what would have happened if someone excelled in combat and force, but failed in the test of spirit. What would happen to them, because they are not harmless. Could they become a Exar Kun knockoffs.
@@oni64fierce73 they probably kick them out from the Order, wait for 3 year or until they fall into the dark side, and send a Jedi Master to dispose of them. Or atleast that's my impression from some of the extended universe materials on the prequel era.
Me too, I think as soon as I heard about them I would have lost all interest in the Knights and tried to join them instead. Sounds like Starfleet meets Indiana Jones but with space wizards.
Somebody's got to clean the toilets and wash the dishes for the Jedi commander and officers in charge...a 'failed' student should consider themselves fortunate to be allowed to continue to serve.
no wonder we don't hear much about them, to bitter to show their face, And if they became sith wannabee and still fail but somehow survive, too embarrass to show their face in public ever again
Lol, if I become a padawan. I'll jump to become a farmer. Nothing beats watching your crop grows, with matching epic environment while sipping on your coffee. Good life.
Dude the EduCorps is awesome. They probably could help disabled people learn easier too, especially if combined with a MedCorps healer that could figure out how their brain chemistry worked while learning.
I think it'd be great to see stories of "washouts" who, like Ahsoka, went on to do good things. Mostly from older times, not necessarily clone wars era
I don't consider Ahsoka a washout. The Jedi Order failed her, not the other way round. She was offered a chance to return, the ordeal she went through even considered a final trial to being knighted, but she chose to walk away.
For a religion that preaches empathy for living beings, the way they treat the ones that fail the trials is so cruel. This is the kind of thing that the prequels should have shown more so Anakin's turn to the darkside felt more real and justified.
Lol the sith outright killed them it seems right for those who failed to have the chance to either help the Jedi Order in a smaller role or just make their own way in the galaxay, it's actually really humane.
@@2Based23 but they'll probably hold a grudge on the Jedi, afterall a group who took random children at a very young age far away from their parents, is kinda a dick move,
@@comradekenobi6908 No it isn't the jedi didn't steal the children they only take them if their parents agree and most parents in the star wars galaxy consider it a great honor to have one of their own in the jedi order.
lol kicking them out is a stupid resolution most of these have no families to go back since many were taken at a super young age, with very few even remember their own parents, what the F are they suppose to go back to? its like getting disown by your parents because you are a disappointment
Just because they're inducted while children doesn't mean they don't have families to go back to. When Dooku left the Order, he basically had a throne waiting for him back home.
@@steve8610 the thing is Dooku didn't leave the Order as a failure. He left as a formal Master. Imagine all the backlash and/or bullying a young initiate have to face if they have to return home because they were a failure according to the Order
Do initiates and Padawan who wash outs still use lightsabers if they don’t become full Knight? A Padawan or an initiate may have ended up in the various service corps, but I imagine a lot of them still had powerful combat abilities and skill with a blade. Some of them probably had strong force abilities and telekinesis powers. For some , it wouldn’t have been an issue of abilities with the force, but maybe becoming a Knight was incompatible with their personality and psychological states. For example, an initiate who had a very passive nature might not make a good front line Jedi. They still had Jedi training after all and were Knights in all but official name only.
Also the fact that they could be completely competent and smiled, but there wasn’t enough knights or masters looking for an apprentice that year. Like with Luminara Unduli, members of her species could only be trained by another of their species.
You could probably justify any of the service corps to need combat/light saber training - explorer is easy, the unkown; meds in wartime when they are on the frontlines; even agri if an area/planet has dangerous beasties. Not sure on the limits of what the Force is allowed to do, but the last 2, if they learned enough could be potent warriors in the right conditions. If a med could "lay hands on you" & mess your organs up, or an agri causing wild animals to attack you after vines & bushes restrain you. [Edit - forgot about the Educorps. I have a couple of brothers to teach. They might need the best combat skills of all 😁]
idk, but in SWTOR, one of the questgivers on Tython is a failed jedi who's in one of the service corpses (I don't remember which one) and he carries a lightsaber at his side (in SWTOR, they use practice blades instead of practice lightsabers so it's probably not that). Obviously this could've just been an oversight by the devs, but maybe they do have lightsabers. Although, it could also just be dependent on if they passed that one trial where they collect a kyber crystal to make a lightsaber. If a jedi washout has already made their own lightsaber, they can keep it, otherwise they're probs given a practice lightsaber instead.
Well yes, once they build their first lightsaber they get to keep it, and that happens somewhere during the youngling stage. I don't know if the same applies for dropouts, probably not for outcasts. Like they are all techincally Jedi and a Lightsaber is an integral part of that. One example would be Jocasta Nu, the chief librarian of the Jedi archive.
Tbh exploring the galaxy instead of playing good and evil with some sickos is actually sounds more fun. I dunno maybe i should try to join Star trek rather than star wars lol
Eff that, take your prescience to the stock exchange, "I feel a tremor in the force, like billions of credits crying out my name in joy, Kuat Space yards are going up 34 % this week."
"Welcome aboard the Enterprise. Counselor Troi has already booked you in for an appointment to deal with that Jedi rejection. Here in Starfleet, we actually work with our crewmembers to help them face their problems. On a completely unrelated note, the Holodeck's down the hall, to the left."
As someone who is passionate about Medicine and Healthcare, doesn't it seem odd that The Health Corp is grossly overlooked by the Star Wars Lore? Seems very strange considering that Jedi Knights are supposed to be ambassadors of peace and justice?
3:12 that is actually GREAT. You can use the force and can literally use it for your benefit in the civilian world. You can become rich through the force or even get girls. I would want to be politely told to leave the order with the knowledge of the force.
From what I heard, many of the Agricorps members joined Sidious after Order 66. Some were rumoured to have become the Imperial Shadow Guards, while one by the name of Sarcev Quest become an Emperor's Hand posing as his advisor. Still others were Inquisitors in Legends.
is it any surprise they would carry animosity towards the jedi order. they were kidnapped from their families and then forced to learn the ways of the jedi, only for reason or another either fail in their eyes or not be chosen as padawans. and they then send them to some backwater agriworld to be a farmer for the whole galaxy. to be bitter and resentful would be an understatement, and Im sure the jedi really rubbed in how big of a fuck up these failed ones were. they know how to do that.
Imagine being taken against your will as a child, brainwashed, and then promptly thrown out because you "weren't good enough" just to become a farmer for the very order that threw you out in the first place.
I remember reading the story about obi-wan wasn't initially selected as qui gons padawan and was shipped off to the agricore, ended up in escapades against qui gons fallen apprentice and then eventually becoming a padawan. Good books
Great vid, I remember reading the Jedi Apprentice books. Obi-wan nearly became part of the AgriCorp until Qui-Gon finally took him under his wing. Good of you to mention Xanatos, Qui-Gon was lamenting Xantatos' fall to the dark side, that's the reason he initially refused to train Obi-wan. Then we can't forget time when Obi-wan temporarily gave up his Jedi studies to help the Young on Melida/Daan. Of course Obi-Wan did later come to his senses and return to Qui-Gon's side.
Me: so, i am a washout, because i suck at building things and put my lightsaber together with duct tape. Also me: hey, sith, give me a lightsaber and i will join up.
I suppose it would seem like a punishment to most Jedi washouts to be sent to Agri-corps. Most would be at the age where they lack the perspective to understand that they make more change and get more done than most trained Jedi Knights. Also, they might not realize the implications of using the force to promote plants to grow better is a power that the Dark Side of the Force could never hope to offer to even its most fanatical followers.
Dude, send me to the librarian core, I'd happily work there during the day and better my skills in the evenings privately with the knowledge I'd acquire
It might be a bit to leaning on prescience when thinking about what kind of Jedi you would like to be (but then again, what is a Jedi if not a minor prophet) I would likely want to be in the education corp if I was a force sensitive recruit in the Jedi order. This is good for a few reasons being, you would likely know how the Jedi records work and if you recognized the threat of Order 66 you might be able to evade the Empire's search for force sensitives, and if you become a prominent part of an education community there's a decent chance that using your connections could grant some asylum or new identity. Additionally if you're busy being a teacher or a student you're not hanging around lots of clones while Order 66 is active and if there was a big clone presence they're probably busy hunting the actual Jedi Knights and Padawans. It would probably be best to find somewhere secluded since the Inquisition would have a good chance of finding rogue jedi on Imperial worlds. And if I had to be expelled from the academy, it would be because I called out the council about how the terrible practices of the Jedi are unethical and that they shouldn't recruit actual children to become child soldiers in a war.
"How did you survive the Jedi purge?" "I tought interplanetary tax law and accounting for 25 years!" "Ohh by the force you might as well had died." "Palpatine said the the same thing when he discovered i allready had tenure, he could not find anyone that wanted my job."
Doesn’t look like there’s anything to be ashamed of for being a “washout”. Seems like they have fulfilling lives. I would love to use the force to grow plants, care for animals or heal others.
It was Yoda and Obi-wan's idea to give Anakin a Padawan. They probably just thought Ahsoka would be a good fit. If Anakin hadn't gotten her Plo-koon likely would have taken her.
Looks like failing can still be fulfilling. Imagine some recruit deliberately failing because they wanted to be an explorer or a doctor instead of a knight. Some punishment.
People make it seem like the support cores didn't see combat at all though. Even the Agricore had some gifted combatants in it that just didn't really stand out on the selection trials. I believe one of the inquisitors came from the agricore because he managed to get past Vader's physical defences and shut of Vader's respirator.
Could you cover the daily life of the initiate/padawan? The latter covering when not in combat, etc. Things like temple life, recreational activities, life outside the temple, etc.
Yes, one would think simply kicking out the failed ones would be extremely dangerous as they would still probably be very force-sensitive having been selected for the training in the first place and would hold a grudge against the jedi for being taken in by the order as babies, raised believing they would be jedi some day and then simply told they were inadequte and left on their own when the only life they really knew was that of the jedi. They would indeed be prime material for the sith to recruit or to become super villains on their own as I'd assume there were other reasons to fail the tests than simply not being strong enough in the force and many of those reasons might be ones that, while unfit for a jedi, wouldn't prevent one from becoming a powerful sith. So it would be much wiser to give them some honorable job within the order where they could be kept an eye on.
I imagine during the Clone Wars, some smart apprentices deliberately failed their tests so they would get sent to the four corps instead of being promoted and sent to fight in the war.
Have to say that out of the various Jedi service corps branches available, best one to be a part of by time of order 66. Would be the exploration corps as by searching out new routes and undiscovered planets and hyperspace lanes they be away from the main action and more able to react to the massacre without getting caught out by surprise.
@@minisarge2619 it would make sense, especially for those in the temple or operating near the clones such as the librarians or the healers, but others like the grow ops perhaps had a different story. Would be interesting to explore although it's pretty easy to assume they were also killed.
@@CoolMyron I mean the inquisitors are proof to the contrary that the empire wanted *all* force users dead but still: how shitty it must've been to be shot in the back by someone you thought was you did do anything besides grow some dank ass crop your entire life.
If there is a dark force nexus under the jedi temple corrupting it, then why doesn't the force nexus itself suffer corruption from the light side activities?
Man, that's a lot of callbacks from the MedStar duology, The Courtship of Princess Leia, and a lot of young adult novels. Still, hope Luke's New Jedi Order gives these poor sods more equality and parity.
If you don’t study seriously, you’ll become a doctor, a druid, an explorer or you’ll chill in a library If you study hard you’ll be a monk and sometime a cop.
In one novel Kenobi almost failed. And would have been sent to a farm division of the Order. So one of the all time greats almost fell through the cracks. I'm pretty sure if I had been a Padawan, I'd been down on the farm pickin beans .lol
I think Dathomire (or however it is spelled) is especially fascinating. Does this channel have any videos regarding the planet and topics relating to it?
I think people here really make the corps sound magnitudes worse than they'd most likely be. As prestigious as the Knights? No, but let's say members of the the Agri corps most likely talked with locals in the morning, spend half of the day in nature, had coffee at 5 and banged exotic space babes in the evening, while the "real" Jedi were out protecting some 150yo senator or crawling through sewer pipes for an undercover operation. Less critical doesn't mean less pleasant.
I honestly wouldn't blame those who were forcefully kicked out for turning to the dark side. If any Jedi were kicked out prior to the Clone Wars, I think they might have been grateful.
Even if they passed the trials just imagine you are about to be too old to join master but there are just no masters around cause training padawans was about 10 to 15 years so you get booted to raising crops after you ripped from your home and family with the promise of becoming a jedi
