I just dont understand how even innocent people are convicted , but you got fools like this with enough circumstancal evidence that walk. And circumstancal evidence does convict people
@@CandiceGoddard with constantly changing stories, with two men who have been known abusers, idk dont think i feel bad for the "cyber bullying" if they did kill her which tbh looks pretty much like they did. Cyber bullying for getting away with ending someones life small price to pay. Yeah call me cold hearted but I dont have much sympathy for a very suspicious group of people who cannot get one story straight. And if I was them and they were truly innocent I would be backing up her family to reopen the investigation especially if it would clear my name. But I am not them so meh, sure does look like someone that they all knew (kind of a friend) was murdered and I kind of wouldnt want the killer to get off free 🤷♀️
If your friend tells you you're going on a trip alone together and staying in a cabin and you get there and she ambushes you with three strange guys you've never met and there is no cabin but a friggin cliff, you LEAVE right away. Hannah set Lauren up. Poor Lauren should have left right away. These people are monsters.
True, she made that choice. But we've all made bad choices that have put us in uncomfortable. How about addressing the choices the murderers made. They chose to end the life of a young girl. Her friend chose to assist or cover it up. Lauren is not responsible for what happened to her, the killers are. As a society, we need to stop blaming victims or making young attractive women feel like it is their responsibility to stop the predatory behaviours. It is the perpetrators who need to stop and our society who need to hold them accountable.
@@LiSa-tb6ut warning people to be careful of bad people isn't victim blaming. you can tell people to watch out for warning signs without blaming the victim. i'm not blaming the victim, i'm blaming the people who set her up. my point wasn't that the victim made a stupid choice trusting these terrible people, it's that these terrible people purposely did this to her and it was a set up.
@@LiSa-tb6ut it is not only young attractive women that should take care of themselves, it is everybody. hanging out with shady people is wrong. regardless of who you are. It was her choice to hang with shady people and this is was the result! everyone should learn from this! not just women.
@@HSTMachine circumstantial means you gotta dig into it, since you have evidence that might point to stronger evidence, the court should've ruled to reopen the investigation its not pressing to convict and there is sufficient evidence to warrant further investigation
some one just said in one of the comments above that the one kids dad was indeed a cop. However he passed away when he was 7.... I would imagine that would actually make all his little cop buddies even closer to the family
I will say this about this case: This is a case that has always bothered me. It bothers me because of what wasn't done. A sexual assault kit should have been done on Lauren at the autopsy. They say they did not take one because " Lauren was menstruating at the time and had a tampon in ". One of my good friends was actually sexually assaulted and she also was menstruating and had a tampon in when it happened. The man did not care whether my friend was on her period or not and still sexually assaulted her. In the process, you can imagine where the tampon ended up, I am sure. My friend actually had to have it removed by her doctor. This goes to show that it doesn't matter whether a woman is menstruating or not, a sexual assault CAN STILL take place! This case absolutely should be reopened if it hasn't been already!!! Lauren Agee was very likely murdered and probably sexually assaulted in the process.
@@archstanton1161 It really is an appalling case and things should/could have been done differently in the investigation. I wish they would re-open it and gather the evidence that is probably still in existence. Lauren would have to be exhumed most likely ( unless she was cremated ) but it would be worth it to catch whomever sexually assaulted and murdered Lauren Agee.
If a animal is capable of sexual assault they do not care about menstruation💯usually the act itself has nothing to do with the victim only the animals impulse/depravity‼️
There was a cut between the two scenes. If first found it strange, too but after that came other cuts. So, I would say they cut parts out. But her attempt of crying sounded more defensive than anything else.
@@michaelgrimes5588 Because she obviously didn't really see the issue with sleeping in a hammock with the random guy, or she felt like she didn't want to be the downer of the group by refusing to sleep in the hammock. I'm saying as soon as her friend said she was going to be sleeping in a hammock with the guy she'd never met, she should have said no and if there was any peer pressure at all, she should have left.
If she rode along and didn’t drive herself, it would have made leaving more difficult. And I get the idea these shits wouldn’t have helped her figure it out.
The triangular mark on her stomach is THE most important thing. It's absolute evidence that something happened to her body after she died. It doesn't prove she was murdered, but it does prove her "friends" are lying and that they moved her.
Yah, and in the morning her shoes were still there. Why would you think your friend would walk down to go to the marina without her shoes. That would be a huge red flag.
Right? Completely bizarre.. and utterly heartless. I saw another story once that showed anther one of his posts from that Sunday that simply said "the best weekend ever". Sick.
Yeah, that’s indicative of psychopathy, IMO. Normal people who go away for a weekend, in a group of 4 people, and one of the four dies tragically by drowning, would not post “Hey, great weekend wakeboarding”.... It would be a traumatic event which would overshadow the whole weekend, and several more afterwards.
I read about this story before. One thing I didn't hear on this webcast was the fact that the friends kept partying through the rest of the weekend. Never reporting their friend missing.
Every lake town in the USA has some sort of “everybody get your boat & lets all get drunk day.” Here in NY we had one the last Thursday of every July. Log Bay Day. That was until about 4 years ago a kid, fucked up on dope, coke & booze crashed his boat & killed a little girl. They ran. Bunch of rich kids. He got 5-15, the rest slaps on the wrist. No more Log Bay Day for the rest of us now.
Sharing a hammock with somebody to sleep sounds absolutely horrible. Alarm bells started ringing the moment I heard that. What normal person sets up something like that?
My gut reaction to that is she decided to sleep on the ground in her sleeping bag, which pissed the guy off cus he was thinking he was gunna get with her and the other girl probably had been trying to set that up so when she slept on the ground he snuck over and tried to mess with her, she freaks, and he loses it and kills her. I have zero evidence for this theory but just makes sense to me with what we know of the situation and the type of people they are
Ugly “party people” who don’t party but just get wasted. Parting isn’t about drugs and alcohol it’s about good times with good people. She unfortunately was with terrible humans. So sad
I have a hammock in my back yard, but it's big and wide and incredibly comfortable. My wife and I can lay side by side and be perfectly comfortable even without the usual snuggling. She's fallen asleep in it by my side. Of course, we're two mentally healthy people in a long-standing relationship on a stable hammock over familiar grass, not less-than-sober people who just met thanks to a shady friend who are trying to share a hammock over a cliff surrounded by deep water.
@@maxraymond90 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ajJezBmgb8o.html go to about the 4-5 minute mark. Warning, you do see her body. Just the back of her but it's necessary. I was in the canoe club for weeks but they nail this
I hope anyone who sees this will remember it is ok to say "no". It is ok to walk away, to ask for help, to say "this is not ok" & get the hell out of any situation that makes you uncomfortable. This is what can happen around strangers, around people who claim to be a friend but do not care about your wellbeing. Life is too precious & short to be around shitty people, or to be afraid to walk away from dangerous people & situations. Find your inner strength & protect your beautiful life. Stay safe everyone!
Thats the sad part, she couldn't just walk away. They were in the middle of the woods with only two ways out: jumping off a cliff and climbing down the mountain. She was also wasted. We should learn to protect our friends at all costs and never underestimate the people around you. In her place I'd also think I could just stick it out, especially being drunk and having someone I thought was a friend around. It sucks because most people go straight to "well she should've known she was in a dangerous position" or "she shouldn't have been in that position to begin with" but she just wanted to go to a festival with her friend and make new friends. The lesson here is to look our for others and be with people thatll look out for you because we often overestimate our ability to stay safe when there's no immediate danger
@@breeeezzyyyy I have two daughters...I have explicitly taught them that no matter where you are or what the circumstances are, you can ALWAYS walk away. I would drive 500 miles within a single phone call from one of my girls if needed to go get them. Lauren could have simply left, called her mother, sought out an alternative sleeping arrangement off that cliff, etc. There's always another way.
@@GSP-76 definitely the thing to do in that position, but the cell reception @ Center Hill Lake is shit from what I've read online and she was drunk while also probably having a concussion. Anyone in that position would probably have issues getting help especially when the "friends" around you only care about drinking and having a "good time". Terribly sad and 100% preventable. Don't understand how someone could look at this case and think "she should've just left." My point was that she was in a headspace(due to the concussion and liquor) that she wouldn't be able to tell she was in eminent danger either from foul play or making her way down the cliff and falling, BUT if the people around her were more attentive and actually cared, it's likely she would still be here today. Ergo the lesson I take from this is to look out for the people around you and only put yourself in vulnerable position(drinking, camping somewhere dangerous) around people that are doing the same for you. But I completely agree and admire letting your kids know they can count on you anytime they need a way out of uncertain/uncomfortable situations! I don't doubt Lauren would've tried to leave or call for help if she could've, she was failed by the people around her who allowed her to get pissed while concussed without getting help and instead getting drunk themselves. May this poor girl rest in peace
@@breeeezzyyyy unfortunately we live in a world where self preservation takes precedence over everything else...at least this is how I feel and it's what I've instilled into my daughters. I don't want them to think they're in safe hands and to ever let their guard down. It's sad, yes and no one should have gone through what happened here with so-called friends but end of the day, the only person who can look out for you IS you. The fact that these losers literally got away with murder just makes that point even more important.
It is so obvious these "friends" killed her and the fact they get to move on with their lives is infuriating. I hope the mother gets justice some day for Lauren.
Yeah hard to put them in prison for life without any substantial evidence that makes it concrete they did it. Which in reality is a good thing for a justice system overall. Only solace we can take.
Her "friends" got away with murder. One of them has to have connections, or something, because the judge was way out of line & law enforcement just wanted to close the case. Something is definitely super sketchy.
Welcome to Tennessee. The land of the corrupt. Like i said above, we've had judges, lawyers, cops, prison guards, politicians, etc all jailed for corruption. They just dont give a flying fig about anything but using their little bit of power to beat everyone else over the head with.
You know.... The polite thing to do when Lauren expressed discomfort with the sleeping arrangement would have been to have the girls sleep in the tent and the boys out on the hammock. Or vice versa, either way. Might have saved a young woman's life.
This has to be opened again properly. The autopsy done by the private investigator employed by the family shows clearly that she was violently attacked. Even the cops in charge of the investigation wanted the case to remain open, but we’re overruled. Not all of the cops involved in the case believed in the results of the official investigation. So many want this reopened and I can’t see any viable reason not to other than the loss of tourism to the area. The wrongful death lawsuit is a move in the right direction, but justice needs to prevail.
I live in Tennessee I can tell you thats EXACTLY what it is ... But they don't seem to realize its pretty much the only safe lake here so they wont loose that much this needs to be opened !!!
Anthony Nathaniel It was obviously planned from the beginning and a extreme form of bullying.. immediately betrayed once she got there, being forced to share with a stranger. It’s kinda her fault though going ignorant of her trip.. Honestly it makes me sad
@Anthony Nathaniel: Agreed, any decent bloke would have just said you take the hammock I can sleep on the floor. Maybe they were hoping she would be drunk enough not to care which is about as low as you can get.
Exactly what I think happened. I'm kinda shocked that this wasn't looked into further. Especially after the way they were on the boat in front of the police, and the fact that they couldn't get their story straight
assuming that is true, which seems likely, it doesn't take away from the message, "play stupid games, win stupid prizes." She had ample opportunity to avoid this situation. It is sad that she didn't. I don't want to diminish the other culpability, but just want to point out that she, and more importantly others, are not without options.
I was raped and brutally beat up because of a " friend" like Lauren's...I was 17 and naive and so close to losing my life that night ,similar to this situation..this story brought so much emotion to me and guilt..because I survived and Lauren didnt ..we both trusted our " friends " ...kids, dont trust anyone ,please ,save yourself before it's too late...you can always drink up later in life, when you're in a secure ,caring relationship with a good guy who can protect you!! RIP girl, I'm so sorry this happened to you 🥺💜
She was a stunning girl, her so called friend was obviously jealous of her and manipulated her to stay with that guy, and he might have tried sleeping with her, and they were drunk so he tried forcing himself on her, got into a fight and he pushed her either intentionally or by accident. Their friends are covering for him.
That imprint on her body matching the shape of the bow of the canoe definitely shows they moved the body. Why would they do that if they were not involved in her death?
Listen to the Brainstorn podcast regarding this case. They say it was the rescue boat apparently which caused the mark on her. Otherwise the team the family hired is convinced that the boy tried to sleep with her and when she said no he strangled her and the four of them, including the dude not reported at first to be there, covered it up. We’ll see with this new case. I read the appellate court decision overturning that circuit court judges decision and holy shit he got blasted. I think he might’ve even better formally reprimanded or sanctioned for how he blatantly handled that case.
@@JulyRobbins yes.. they say it got there after they were bring her remains back to the dock. I watched a 20/20 doc on this case. It blows my mind how her mom warned her about how dangerous it could be and she was afraid she would never see Lauren again💔
I believe Aaron is now paralized following a motorcycle accident, and Chris is in jail for still more DUIs... I won't mention karma - oh wait, I just did!
I don't think she really was friends with the guys, I think just Hanna. Still not cool, but I do not think she really knew them. Seems like she knew Lauren needed another chick to avoid the third wheel so she invited her along.
As a father of a daughter. There would have been mysterious deaths for everyone on the island that night. I could be certain one of them did it and that the rest were covering.
That judge didn’t do a very good job judging the situation and how he talked about the case to the family. Talking down to the mother after she’s lost her daughter is pretty shity if you ask me. There are other ways to say something to get your point across. He sounds like a jackass
Kelsey Johnson that’s what i was thinking too.. she could have let her sleep on the floor or something /: if nothing else i wonder if she had asked why she didn’t want to stay with them. so unfortunate that Lauren had such shitty friends.. it costed her her life ;(
That same girl (I think her name was Sam Reynold...sorry it's been awhile) actually stayed with them on the cliff for a night. Her actions were just as suspicious as Hannah & her motley crew. Anybody interested in this case should listen to the Without Warning podcast. The whole story is heartbreaking.
People have shitty friends and acquaintances. Pick your friends wisely. Friends are kind and caring. It's amazing how people cover up their crimes. It will catch up with you.
I can't believe her "friend" told her there wasn't enough room in her cabin. If my "friend" asked me to stay in my cabin I would MAKE room, there is no way I would say no. 🙄
Her "friends" had murdered her and relocated Lauren's body and pretended they didn't know where she was when the cops showed up. It's pretty clear by watching this what happened. It's sad :( Clearly the guy she was meant to be "matched" with felt rejected by her and wanted her dead because of it. RIP Lauren.
no. Rule #1 NEVER talk to the police even if you are 100% innocent. You can say something that could incriminate you. Even something like "I never really got along with her..." Could be blown up in huge letters in court and jury will eat it up.
@@valeriefaabergpitel7356 American women these days are kind of a lost cause. Ask any man worth a damn looking for a good wife. Sorry, no offense. Just stating the reality of today's world.
I had a “friend” who wanted to spend the night at a guys house, she got mad at me because i slept next to her crush (only reason bc i knew him) and i didn’t want to sleep next to a stranger, she got mad and left me in the middle of the night while i was asleep, and the other guy that i didnt know stole my phone and tried to touch me, (mind u i was only 16 and they were older) i left in the morning and stopped talking to her after that, always be careful who you surround yourself with 🙏🏻
Ya someone I called a “friend” started talking shit about me because the guy she liked and I went to the same church as kids -_- that guy and I caught up about that and I was just happy to know someone with a similar background as me, and I’ve always told my “friend” I am not interested in getting in a relationship honest to god lmao I’m focusing on myself. Even told him why I wasn’t interested in seeing anyone and he was genuine “same, I just got out of a bad relationship tbh” like yeah I know the feeling 😓 then my friend starts a little posse of girls that get all aggro on me whenever we hang out. Yep, cut that friendship off. She only started acting like that since she got into dating and boys…I don’t get it man. We’re like mid20 yo now too and she’s so immature i realize it’s not worth keeping her as a friend if she’s that insecure. Acting like it’s middle school
I hope you murderers get bad karma. You know you are guilty! I bet that poor excuse for a friend gets beaten a lot which isn't OK but neither is not handing your bf in. Hand yourselves in, it's not to late
This is the first empathetic comment I've seen. Thank you 🌻 I'm disturbed at how much victim blaming is happening in the comments. Why are we so quick to come up with things we think the victim did to make something happen rather than the only reason something happened in the first place: the perpetrator. At what point do we decide, "Okay, I'm satisfied this person did enough not to be blamed for their own brutal murder/assault etc. Now they can have my well-earned sympathy". Blame them. Hold them to account. Not the victim.
Thank you so much for making this video. Lauren was one of my bestfriend. We wont stop fighting until she gets justice so videos like this help get the story out there. There has always been something not right about it all, especially if you knew the ppl she was with that night.. so again, thank you for this.
I am so sorry you lost your friend. I am sure Lauren was a wonderful friend and a beautiful, young woman with her whole life ahead of her. These people took that away from her. No one has the right to take anyone else's life, as most of us know. I hope beyond hope that this case is re-opened and solved. Because, it can be. And probably fairly easily. My deepest condolences to Lauren's family and to her friends, like you, who are still working to bring Lauren justice.
She’s lucky to have people like you, I’m very sorry you guys have to deal with horrible injustice on top of the grief. It’s very clear that it was no accident and I really hope justice will be served. There’s so many red flags that were brushed off and I feel completely disgusted with police. Stay strong! ❤️
Keep shining the light on this tragedy. I Pray for Justice for you all. My heart aches. Lauren was a beautiful Soul and full of promise. Hugs for mom. Autopsy clearly indicates foul play. The initial investigation was totally botched. 💜⚖️
Everything points to her getting killed after turning down the guy she didn't want to be paired with. She was clearly getting bad vibes from the whole situation if she asked to stay in someone else's cabin.
It just better to not accept every and anyone. Having friends and associates (especially at a young age) is a necessity. Having and wanting to keep the company of every and anyone is another thing......that eventually comes with regret.
Did these "investigators" submit their report in crayon?! One of the most disturbing things about these videos is you get to see how unbelievably incompetent many police departments are.
Yeah, her “friends” are definitely guilty. Shame on those handling this case. So frustrating and sad. Mike, keep it up, keep it up 👏🏾 Great job as always
This makes me sad. Imagine it, they are living their happily ever after and free. But I also can't help but partly blame her. The whole situation seem precarious from the start. Who goes camping with that many uncertainties? I'm sure they'll be able to slip out somehow again by prosecution. It's weird how despite all the evidence it's being denied by the judge though
@@williss11 To be fair, it sounded like she thought the situation was completely different. That's not an uncertainty so much as a "my friend outright lied to me about where we would be staying and who we would be staying with." Bad choice in friends for sure but aside from that and the questionable decision to drink heavily around strangers (which you could also blame everyone else there and a massive percentage of the population of Earth for doing) she didn't really do anything "wrong," she was just unlucky.
@@TheSquareOnes Completely agree, just wish she would've went with her gut instincts, and called her mom or something. It's very obvious that she was super sketched out & uncomfortable...whole thing is heartbreaking.
Update 2020: The family has stated they are dropping the lawsuit due to it going nowhere in Dekalb County and are going to spend their energy helping other families avoid similar situations.
Should be happy that they're passing the good on....but the others got away. Apparently ones in jail and another is now paralyzed from the waist down. Wait for karma on the others.
@@misfitbrit1989 ya but hes not in jail for murder and will be free again and the paralyzed one well id rather be half free than in prison lol they might never pay for this but thats how it goes sometimes.
The three 'friends' are sketchy as hell, but not as sketchy as the behaviour of police and judges. Utterly wild, all over the place and unprofessional.
as someone else in the comments mentioned, never ever feel shy to call your parents in the middle of the night. 99.9% of them will come for you and get you back home. Getting a little insulted by parents is a lot better than leaving them alone forever.
It’s not her fault but the friend that said there was no room for her to stay at the cabin has to feel pretty shitty too. There’s always room somewhere sleep on the floor.
Thought the same thing as it was being said. If one of my friends told me they were uncomfortable with a group of people id make fucking arrangements. Id sleep on the floor with them.
Hannah sounds like she wanted validation from a group of guys, and was willing to sacrifice Lauren's life for it. As a woman, she should've known how dangerous it was for Lauren and how uncomfortable she would've been with the situation.
im obsessed with this case since a lot of my friends knew her. I just noticed on Chris's statement he wrote "the girl" rather than Lauren. since he clearly knew her name, and I watch of criminal psychology interviews w the techniques broken down, this screams guilt to me. he's distancing himself from the victim and crime by doing this.
I thought the exact same thing. "That girl" same thing in the Emma Walker murder. Killer was an recent ex and he called her that during his police interview. Couldn't say her name. Creepy.
Chris probably wanted some drunken action, was declined and Lauren threatened to tell people. Aaron helped Chris silence her seeing as they had the perfect setting.
Yes, there's someone like that at every turn in this case. From the detectives on scene, the sheriff, medical examiner, and yes the judge. This case could be a friggin netflix series with the amount of drama that was unfolding during that weekend at lakefest. Listen to Without Warning by the PI Sherry Smith hired
I so wish that, when Lauren felt uncomfortable, she had called her mom. I'm certain that her mom would have dropped everything and rushed to go get her. Maybe she didn't want to hear her say I told you so, but it is ALWAYS best to trust those gut instincts. They are usually right.
I think she wanted to stay. Why let sleeping arrangements ruin your fun? She had a sleeping bag, there was the option of sleeping on the ground. The ground is hardly comfortable but it's not like you're any more exposed to the elements. And maybe after spending a day with Chris she trusted him to keep his hands to himself. Nothing wrong with trusting someone, it's not your fault when they turn out to be untrustworthy.
I am so happy my daughter feels comfy calling me for anything and that she is strong enough to walk away from situations. I worry so much about this type of thing.
Look at Chris' written statement. He refers to her as "That girl". Reminds me of the Emma Walker murder. Killer was a recent ex, and he called her that during his police interview. Couldn't say her name. Creepy. Also, Aaron and Hannah have daughter now. I hope they think of Lauren every time they look at her. And think of Lauren's poor mother. I hope they think "Oh, my god. What if someone did that to my daughter.".
Good eyes! Similar to the Chris Watts case too, referring to his kids as “those girls”. They’re distancing themselves from the person. I definitely think they did it.
*Distraught Parents:* Please, reopen the investigation into the mysterious death of our daughter 😢 *Cops:* Nah we’re super busy with minor drug offenses and fishing citations. What do you think we’re supposed to do, protect and serve?! Have some humanity?
They didn't do a rape kit because she had a tampon it? Jfc I wish people would learn about women's bodies, especially if they're going to be attempting to solve murders and things...
@I OFFER YOU THIS You realize not all cops are the same right? Cops in these small towns are notoriously bad. Cops in my city are pretty good. Some cops in my city are heroes (most are not though).
When are people going to realize that it's all the people who moved to Florida that are the crazy ones? I love it here, this place is paradise, but all the whackjobs I've met are northern transplants.
Seriously-- you're actually blaming Florida for the scumbags that move there too? Florida is a beautiful state and we can't help it that scum bags love to move here. It's not Florida's fault.
Unfortunately it’s the way the American judicial system works, gotta follow precedents set by decisions made over the last 200 years. All circumstantial evidence nothing concrete, the investigators though, are trash.
When you tweet about having a good time when someone in your group dies, switch up your stories multiple times, tell law enforcement you want to figure out how to disarm them to get off the boat, you must be innocent 🙄🔫
You fogot to mention that Lauren tried to leave that place that night , she texted her friend Jade saying that she wasn't having fun , she feels uncomfortable and she wants to go home. Lauren asked Jade to pick her up that night but Jade said NO because she didn't know the way and it was already very late to pick her up . 😶
If any of my friends called me and said they needed help getting out of a bad situation, regardless of what time it was or how far away, I'd go get them without question. WTF?! I hope her friend learned a valuable lesson and is a better friend to the people in her life now. I wish Lauren would have called her mom for help.
I think the most likely explanation is that she was drunkenly sexually assaulted by the boy she had to share the hammock with, a commotion/struggle ensued, which caused her to take a fatal tumble down the cliff. Then, obviously, they moved her body to the cove the judge's demeanor in that clip is startling and inappropriate. I'm glad the appeals court overturned his ruling. I wonder if any of these boys had family connections to law-enforcement
preangela marks The thing is, it will come out. The conscious has a way of driving even the most deranged humans crazy after a while. Lives fall apart, minds go crazy, and people crack. U cant carry around that type of darkness and evil forever. If they killed that beautiful gorgeous girl, IT WILL COME OUT.
That is probably the worse case scenario Hannah for whatever reason conspired wit these two guys before hand to murder Lauren (which would explain Hannah not telling Lauren about the change in sleeping arrangements or the fact that their would b 3 other random dudes their) they get her dunk as they figure it will b easier to off her that way get back to the camp site and then do the deed then dump her body in the water to make it look like an accident definitely plausible especially if they dig more into Lauren and Hannah’s relationship and can find a motive (although I lean more towards the theory of Lauren rejecting advances from one of the dudes and either accidentally or intentionally one of the dudes kills her in a fit of rage they dump her body in the water and because of extreme police incompetence and/or one of the boys having connections within law enforcement/government the case is all but buried) but regardless pretty much everyone agrees one of all of them know what really happened and why Lauren Agee is dead
@@WarpSpeedGames I couldn't agree more, I'm a biochemist and while there are measurable reactions on instruments when humans feel any variety of physical pleasure, pain, ambivalence, discomfort,embarrassment, trepidation, confusionof any of the other literally countless emotions humans are capable of, with the nearly countless complex physical sensations we eperienceas the highest function most neurogically and physiologically complex organisms in existence compounded by the unuiquity f individuality and the most crude galvanic, respiratory, positional muscle movement, and a DETECTIVE or POLYGRAPHER who took a class at a local community college or Vo-Tech in Public Safety to interpret such results I can't believe it's allowed to eveven be mentioned. We learned in the Cold War that they were useless as the most successful moles and double agent traitors in our intelligence and the Russian intelligence evaded them countless times because a rapport with the human conducting the polygraph that wouldn't know the scientific method if it put a cyanide capsule in her mouth and popped her one is SIMPLY ONLY ALLOWED even outside (only) of court because the courts have rightly held that a suspect has no right to candor, truthfulness, or honesty grpm his/her interrogators. It's just another psychological manipulation tool like 8 hour marathon interrogations every day and all the other psy-ops used to get a desired answer. The fact that the polygraph ALONE is the only one that claims to be science would be fantastic grounds for updating Miranda warnings to include notifications of false or inaccurate presentation of real or fake biometric data as scientific evidence "cannot and will not be used to exonerate you. The KICKER: Federal rules of evidence PRECLUDE ANY defense attorney from admitting to count evidence of a passed polygraph, or 200 passed polygraphs. I'd love to love to start a page or movement to embarrassed those who present themselves as paragons of honesty when they are pulling a modern Salem Crucible with the trial. dedicated the myths lies and, misconceptions of polygraph with the aim of educating enough citizens and presenting enough demand for abolishment and ethics in ou adverserial system to prompt government in any single jurisdiction to start to realize that with an already stacked deck, using actual malicious and dressing lies to unerpresented suspects is NOT an American Value.
Imagine how the friend probably feels. I wish too,but it's too late to go back. But if I was in the friends shoes,I'd feel sick over it. Should've let her lay on the floor or anything. She probably should've just not went when she knew what kind of people they were.
she wasn't a friend she would have helped her she would have found a space or she would have gone with her and stayed with her. Poor Lauren she trusted the wrong people when you have good inside you, you just presume the others are the same. She was so young she had her whole life to live! She's not here anymore all of because in my opinion she trusted the wrong people. Her mother has been deprived of her beautiful sweet young daughter and grandchildren Lauren may have had. 😪😪
It’s unbelievable that those kids posted on Facebook that they had an awesome time at Wakefest!😳Even if you’ve done nothing wrong you should be upset and inconsolable that your friend has been killed in suspicious circumstances while you were with her- shocking😒
@@malmstring She didn't volunteer for it? She thought she was staying with her friend in a cabin and her friend sidelined her with camping outside with strangers. She also tried to find other sleeping arrangements. Sounds like you're victim blaming here and dismissing what Mike said about the situation.
@blahblahblah mememe Did you watch the video and listen to everything he said? She TRIED to find other sleeping arrangements. She couldn't find anywhere else to sleep and couldn't leave because she was stranded. How through all of this you find a way to blame a dead person.
Right. I was thinking the same thing, she must feel horrible. A bunch of young people, at a cabin partying, yet there was no room for her?! Whenever we used to go to a cabin on the beach, there were always people crashing on the couches, chairs, floor...wherever there was a free spot. Super sketchy that she wouldn't just let her come to the cabin, especially if she knew how uncomfortable she was.
Exactly. Even if someone didn’t share they were in a shady situation, we told them we couldn’t guarantee anything but a floor and a couch pillow. We’ve had both girls and guys stay unexpected because we didn’t want them to drive drunk or see them dead on the news the next day.
Can't believe they got away with it. The evidence, circumstantial or not needs further examination. This beautiful girl met a sorry end and the three so called friends know what happened. Shocking.
This story proves how difficult it is to say no to peer pressure. In this case, if she followed her gut and just not participated, she’d be alive. As a teen, I remember forcibly dragging my girlfriends out of an apartment where we were invited by much older guys. It was all too fishy and even though I was inexperienced, I just knew these guys had bad things in mind. I made a real big fuss and my friends were pissed but I got them out of there.
really bad situation for lauren to be in. i remember some parties back in the day and watched some really dangerous and indifferent behavior between "friends". a guy was overdosing in a front yard and motionless, his "friends" were laughing and poking him, and left him laying there, i couldn't believe what i was watching, and called 911. they revived him and took him to the hospital, as far as i know he was okay... but his "friends". what p's.o.s. they were.
When you meet someone and have spent hours with them, you already have an intuition of what kind of vibe they give off. I don’t think she wanted to spend the night elsewhere for sleeping reasons, she was already feeling uncomfortable even before that. Also, we’ve all experienced drinking past our limit, which I don’t think she did, but when I’ve done it I find that I am extra careful when I am walking, my senses are usually heightened to make up for my motor skills. NO ONE noticed her drunk and her report didn’t show intoxication so how could she have accidentally fallen? It’s not like it was her first time peeing the entire time of her trip. I have spent many times outdoors and at night your eyes adjust and you can actually see pretty clear. Mom should definitely keep fighting this.
The judge who denied the wrongful death is obviously the law student who graduated at the bottom of his class. Some people have no business being judges and I think the judges who rule in this way especially like with child abuse cases and Something Happens should be held liable
Hannah Palmer, Christopher Stout, Brix Grambrell and Aaron Lily. This is all on them. 2 of the boys I believe have family in law enforcement. This was def a cover-up. Insane to me how they can claim she died due to drowning by accidental fall when there was NO water in her lungs and if she had been knocked out and went into the water she would have had water filled lungs so that's not even possible for her to have died that way! They also tried some 100 times with a dummy the same height/weight as Lauren and it NEVER not ONE time made it even anywhere close to the water. Also if she had "fallen" as the police claim her body would not have been found in that cove on the other side of the cliff where they camped. The currents that day would have pulled her right to wake fest that day, she was placed there and there's proof of that with the canoe imprint on her chest!! Her mother knew RIGHT away it was the people she was with, that they knew something! And she's never stopped and she's not ever going to stop because it doesn't add up/make sense what so ever! Other than the 2 amazing officers, the police on Lauren's actual case were shit and they deserve to be sitting their asses in jail for covering up what they know is a homicide because that's the only thing it could be!!!! Her body showed evidence of a struggle much more so than a fall!! Just makes me so so sad!!! Her poor dad and siblings and nephews she had so many loved ones and friends and a promising life ahead and they took it from her! They all FOUR need to be in prison for the rest of their lives! Idk how Hannah looks at her baby girl and can stand to let a mother keep not knowing what happened to her own baby girl!!! I'm hoping looking at her daughter everyday, her love growing stronger for her every day; that she finally breals down and tells what those boys did to her supposedly best friend!! Because she knows!!!! They all do and it's been 4yrs it's time for some justice for Lauren!!!!!
@@jessicawilson4655 I knew it. Your comment confirmed my doubts about a cover-up. Makes me sick, how law enforcement folks, who are supposed to be upright on all instances, make "exceptions". Are they any different than the bandits they're paid to put behind bars? Is it any different than the justice exacted on a banana republic?
There's what you can "see" and what you can prove. With the medical examiner being unable to find conclusive evidence of foul play, it would be nearly impossible to get a conviction. The officers involved clearly don't buy the suspects' stories and I wouldn't be surprised if even the judge who threw out the wrongful death suit actually thinks they're guilty. It all comes down to what you can prove with evidence available (sadly, the evidence behind the wrongful death suit doesn't come close to meeting what would be needed to contradict the original finding of accidental death.) Unwinnable cases almost always get dismissed.
The most valuable skill any parent can teach their kids is the ability to say no, even to friends or under immense pressure. The second her "friend" says you'll be sleeping in a hammock with a random guy, is when that lesson could have saved her life. Parents, teach your kids how to say no...and mean it.
I would hesitate to call those boys LAUREN’S “friends.” They’d only met the day of- or before, correct? They were friends of Hannah’s, not hers. Lauren’s body should have been autopsied by a forensic pathologist since the stories told by the other 3 & the conclusions drawn by some of the authorities made no sense whatsoever. Lastly, Hannah is the lynchpin in this terrible situation. She brought the boys along, made the bizarre sleeping arrangements, & knew Lauren wasn’t exactly thrilled about them. She must know what really happened to Lauren, & yet she covered for those guys from the first moment & has been ever since. Why? Lauren was * suppposedly * HER “friend.” Why would she help a murderer/s get away with the crime? She seems to be a very twisted girl. Sherry’s instincts in re to Hannah were on point. Such a tragedy Lauren ignored her mother - that was a mistake she didn’t live to regret. Thank you, Mike! Excellent reporting.
As sad as it might sound but she probably loves that idiot. I mean they got married and have a child now. Not trying to defend her but she's probably one of those girls that grew up with an aggressive and/or abusive Dad and a submissive Mom which made her think that it's normal to be treated that way by a guy. It's more common than you think. And especially as a teen you're willing to do a lot of stupid things to feel loved/wanted (been there myself, not to this extent of course). It's a sad world we're living in...
Sherry H. “Forensic” before pathologist just means you give evidence in court. So, she was autopsied by a forensic pathologist as all pathologists are forensic pathologists. Edit...unless they’ve never given testimony. Some pathologists do routine autopsies ie, hospital deaths. Rarely needing to testify.
@Summer I agree with what you’re saying in walking away. But they pretty much imprisoned her on that cliff island. She would’ve had to swim away in that situation in the dark and wet. I would’ve been extremely afraid for my safety and I don’t know why she just didn’t stay with her other friends. So sad.
