Here is a question should we teach why racism is wrong? If not how do we know what's racist and why it's racist (I don't understand most of the things that are I've got no problem with what we call difrent races when in reality I see one race called the human race fulll of unique people
I read somewhere that a fundamental problem of 'woke' and cancel culture is that there is no real process of forgiveness or forgetfulness available anymore. I DO think people have a right to screw up, and others should call you out for it - even publically. But there MUST be a way to atone for your sins, if you forgive the religious expression.
I totally disagree. The consequences of being "cancelled" rarely last past the next news cycle. Usually, all that's left is the memory of being humiliated in public, which is literally the bare minimum consequence of any punishment. I can't think of anyone who has remained cancelled and didn't deserve it.
@Jeredakoala I think that the term cancel culture is more centered on the intolerance of ideas. Yes free speech is a separate concept and intolerance is another concept. Intolerance to me is a spectrum and can surpass just being ostracized or losing money , it can include jail and even death in the extreme. I also will stand on the fact that there are many gaffes and mistakes a person can make that would be forgiven save for the fact that the intolerant public calls for the figurative blood of transgressors. So yes they get fired. It's a weapon that has always existed but its been used more and more especially with the rise of social media where mobilization of mass can occur for anyone and anything in a matter of moments
I can't see the difference between cancle culture and mob justice. Sure, there is nasty stuff going on that is not prosecuted enough, but reversing the burdon of proof (or not even hearing the accused) has very scary vibes.
The difference is that mob justice is physically violent. Cancel culture almost entirely takes place on social media, and the consequences for anyone who isn't already a celebrity rarely last longer than the next news cycle. All the worry about cancel culture is much ado about nothing. Societies have always had degrees of correcting infractions against the social order, and criminal prosecution is only the most extreme of those. Not every infraction deserves criminal prosecution, and infractions that aren't criminal don't deserve to be let off the hook just because they aren't criminal.
@@Antenox imho a mob is just a group of people who use intimidation to achieve their goals, then again english is not my first language. You presume the cancellers are correct when allegations alone don't prove that. Such a mentality can harm falsely accused and in worst case even be instrumentalized by interest groups.
@@Doping1234 I don't presume the cancellers are correct. I'm just saying the consequences of being canceled are extremely minor. In the vast majority of cases, the only lasting consequence is the memory of being humiliated. That's literally the minimum consequence possible, and is hardly a consequence at all. Comparing cancellation to "mob justice" is grossly irresponsible. Mob justice often resulted in DEATH. Cancellation results in embarrassment. There is a world of difference between the two.
@@Antenox that is not true it stays on the internet and background checks include google so it will affect people's lives. they also get removed from schools which can alter the trajectory of someones life
I take it you guys read that NY times article about the college student being “self-censored” for having unpopular opinions? If you haven’t, it brings up similar stuff. Especially with social rejection. I don’t really agree with it, but it’s worth discussing.
I think it's better to communicate with some directly rather than call them out an ruin their life on social media. Also rumours get spread on social media which may not be true and there have been people cancelled for things they didn't do.
I'm fine with cancelling on a personal level, so if someone finds out their favorite author, actor, director has done something heinous that affects them deeply I think they're justified in refusing to watch or read anything involving said person. I don't think cancelling is very effective at stopping any negative behavior as it's treated as a one and done solution rather than a holistic, ongoing process that involves encouragement at some points. It's like using only the stick while yelling about how the person being beat doesn't deserve the carrot for what they've done.
Punch up, not down, or sideways. Speak truth to power. And Aviva Powers's comment that social media should be a tool, not a weapon is very important; if you're doing anything hurtful, that won't make anything better.
Former President Obama mentioned cancel culture is not activism, and people who do good stuff like your parents have flaws. Yes, we are not infallible, even charming, perfect, and our friends. I felt sorry for people in the #MeToo video who got rejected for prom and graduation. It does not help them learn their lesson or grow because they cannot get these privileges back. I value justice for people to pay their debts to make up for their lost benefits in their future. What if we cancel Myles, Above the Noise, our friends, family members, or people whom we loved? Finally, I have fears about making future bad mistakes and going to prison. Predestination can be scary for anyone.
People must learn that bad behaviour has consequences. If that means cancellation, so be it. But it looks like it's taking the opposite route compared to politics. What people used to have to resign over hardly gets a mention nowadays. And I'm not talking personal life stuff but actual corruption.
Like others have said, used unwisely and in a way that doesn't allow for self-improvement or forgiveness, this may not get the desired outcome. Calling people out serves an important purpose for both parties. Of course, there are situations where an individual is toxic to the very core where "cancelation" is justified; especially if that individual is in a position of power or influence.
Great video. Yeah definitely depends imo. I think some stuff like the harvey weinstein me-too is more acceptable, whereas some less serious stuff adds to the “noise” of the internet and prevents people from really considering when people do bad things if they constantly hear about someone being cancelled. I am low key torn about it, but i think a good solution is to never cancel someone online unless you have already spoken to the authorities or other private institutions that can handle things behind the scenes and they have done nothing. Anything not on that level should really should not have a cancel post about it cause we are all humans and make mistakes. Recently one of my favorite youtubers got cancelled and it caused me to unsub from him. I felt conflicted cause the video was definitely ballsy and raised a huge drama about the situation. But when he confirmed what happened and his own friends he worked with left him, if definitely made me realize the thing he did was messed up and the person who called him out probably was toiling with it for years because of his hurtful actions. And in cases like that, i feel like it really gives victims power they would never otherwise have.
So, I do not mind cancel culture on either big entities or individuals, but there needs to be a redemption process, something a company or individual can do to prove they have learned from their actions, not just people being mad at them, however, if this process is going to continue to be used, it needs to be reserved for: Company committed offense A against party B and this is not appropriate in our society or Person A inappropriately hurt Person B by committing C. Petty arguments can be recognized by the people, remember, individuals are cancelling individuals and corporate entities. All parties involved have a voice, and we need to prove we are mature enough to tell the difference, before we start casting judgement on Person A for misreading their first kiss and getting bullied by the whole world for not knowing Person B didn't want to... So, sorry for the long answer, but I think that we, the individuals participating, need to pay close attention before participating... I hope this makes sense, lolol.
i honestly just dont get how this whole "canceling" is supposed to work. i mean, everybody can just turn on their webcam and say whatever they want and whoever is interested can tune in and listen to it. as far as i can tell people trying to cancel someone or something are just unbelievably naive, weak and angry. i have never seen a smart, strong or calm person try to cancel someone and thats the only kind of person i surround myself with. as i see it, cancel culture is a self-defeating phenomenon, only weak people participate and only weak people are held down by it. a normal person would never be that scared of someone or something to try and cancel it, or would be slowed down when getting canceled. its realy just a fun little merry-go-round for a particular breed of people.
