What if Emrakul was 'Compleated' by Phyrexia? 

Emrakul consuming phyrexian mana like "Damn why is it *spicy* ??"

It would have probably happened the other way, the Phyrexians becoming distorted by Emrakul. If Ashioc played with the mind of Elesh Norn, you can imagine how easy it would be for Emrakul

Here's a theory: since the eldrazi titans as we know them are really just avatars, maybe the glistening oil would only corrupt the manifestation of emrakul, and emrakul, like the hand in the pond, would be able to form another avatar, not corrupted by the oil... maybe emrakul vs. emrakul?

Jace never had a conversation with Emrakul. He had a conversation with an entity that his mind conjured in order to make sense of what he was encountering. In all likelihood, she never even noticed him

I feel like this what if relies on the interpretation of the Eldrazi as a corrupting force. I know that's how they were portrayed in the latest storyline, but at the end of the day Em's corruption of Innistrad's creatures was a means to an end. Eldrazi consume mana. Their spawn are extensions that assist in that consumption. Though it was developed through artifice, compleation is a magical process. It may be colorless, but the Eldrazi mastered colorless mana well before Phyrexia - originally they were black aligned. Im skeptical that any magical process could effect Emrakul without her consent, she could easily consume the mana and negate the process. If they had her consent, well, yikes.

Compleation is very much not a colourless process. Each of the completed creatures from MoM gained a secondary colour based on who compleated them. Very much inline with what happened on New Pheyrexia. I reckon Emrakul is much more likely to corrupt the Praetors, and/or go to war with them. Edit: mistyped Praetors, nty autocorrect.

Two words: Plot Armor. Just look how the Elder Dinos From Ixalan Swallowed Glistwning Oil and Were Totally Fine!

The attack of Nicol Bolas's Phyrexian Eldrazi Slivers.

I feel like it would be the other way around. Emrakul and the others would take over the phyrexians. Future story arc maybe? When they want to "play" again

There must've been some compleated slivers right? How did that pan out? Would love more theory videos!

Honestly I'd put my money on Em twisting Phyrexia as opposed to vice versa.

Several questions: -What if Emrakul learned how to siphon the mana of the dead? -Phyrexia may take the physical Avatar of Emrakul, but what about the true body in the Blind Eternities? -What if Emrakul disagrees with the completion? -What IF Emrakul could corrupt the Phyrexians and begin to challenge The One with a new army of her own, a more powerful one? Remember, with how Emrakul is, she can be a bit of a spicy one. She mainly wants regular colored mana. But who says she doesn't want something else? When she says she doesn't feel complete, maybe that was an early sign that Wizards of the Coast DID intend for Phyrexians to take Emrakul in the lore later on (sneaky move lol). Or maybe, Emrakul was wondering why her purpose was so...shallow. She probably wanted something greater instead of so narrow like eating Mana all the time like Ulamog and Kozilek did. She feels incomplete probably because she wants something greater after observing the minds of others probably before she made them her own. Emrakul is basically a twisted, intelligent mushroom lol. So many possibilities lol.

"What if" the invasion of phyrexia didn't suck. "What if" every phyrexian didn't just fall over for no reason when Norn fell. "What if" our heroes actions leading up to the invasion actually mattered in the story. "What if" the planes that was attacked wasn't immediately victorious and the event actually left a memorable mark on future sets. But nah.

The artwork of Compleated Emrakul is amazing! Well done artist!

I wanted this so bad. I also wanted to see how the compleation interacted with the tides of Lorwyn.

Thank you for featuring my artwork! 🥰

The moment Emrakul's mind gets included in "The One" it would go something like "How can all be one... when All Is Dust?" *-Proceeds to rot every mind to the eldrazi madness-*

Hey, you finally did a video on this! Awesome! During the leadup to this new villian thread in MtG, I remember writing several comments about this being a possibility they might take the story. I also mentioned what if Marit Lage had been corrupted and if one or the other was corrupted and then the resistance somehow freed the other to combat the compleated one. Can you imagine a fight between Emrakul and Marit Lage?! I'd love to see that!

Great video! Would def watch more of these

Another fantastic video Mr. Seiben!

One is Chaos and the other is perfection of Order. It would probably balance each other out by theory.

As long as we're talking about Phyrexia's missed opportunities - what if they'd gotten their hands on Nicol Bolas? In the same way they had to have known about Emrakul, the Phyrexians would also have access to information regarding the War of the Spark, and thus Bolas' whereabouts in the multiverse. Now, true, this is a desparked Bolas we're talking about here, and it's unclear if a planewalker's spark can in any way be reignited. Even so, I for one doubt that even compleation would blunt Bolas' indomitable ambitions; if anything, his sudden access to the One would only twist those ambitions further. He would seek not only how to reignite his own spark, but he may even go so far as to seek ways for non-planewalkers to be imbued with the power of the Planeswalker Spark, thus granting this powerful boon to all of Phyrexia. But hey, that's just a theo- oops, wrong channel. 😅

I love this new style of video!! Keep it up 🎉

And oko flexs his magic abs and turns emerakul into a 3/3 elk

A phyrexian Emrakul? Or Eldrazified Phyrexians? Both possibilities are equally terrifying. Seeing Emrakul and Phyrexia fight is actually the BEST case scenario.

Literally I was so excited for the March of the Machine storyline because I honestly thought nothing could stop Phyrexia, but they would be their own downfall by compleating Emrakul.

Bro this is a great idea for a video series!!!!!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤

"She would immediately lose to everyone everywhere at the same time" - march of the machine

I love this video and I hope you make more! Maybe what if Mishra won the Brothers War?

Finally, my two mothers are finally working together. ❤ Jokes aside, not a theory but it would be cool to see a video about all the creatures that where said to be able to fight on the same ground as the Eldrazi. All those Hydras, Wurms, Dragons and other forces of nature that where able to fight back the invasion their planes. (Like in Broodhunter Wurm flavour text, for example).

I'm glad you made this video. For a long time, I really felt like wizards missed a huge opportunity to go down this route. Or at least explore an avenue of phyrexianized eldrazi. It would've been insane to see a compleated Tamiyo break her free from the moon to be compleated and possibly fly off into the great beyond.

It's a pretty solid argument. But I do think the 'hive-mind' it is actually a weakness against Emrakul, she just need to take care of 1 individual that is conected to mostly a whole army. It would have been cool a new horde of Eldrazi beings powered by Phyrexian technology, giving negative counters to other players or using different resources to cast them. Good video and new subscriber over here :)

I enjoy these videos so much!!!

Oh hey, I was referenced in a youtube video! Thank you! I like this take, the only difference I would posit is that Emrakul, once "plugged in" to the phyrexian hivemind, could probably convince them that she is The One, similar to how she manifested in Jace's mind in a form he could comprehend and communicate with. Also, since she says there shouldn't be resenent at her arrival, having her override the Phyrexian programming would explain why anyone would be happy to see an eldrazi unleashed.

While emrakul couldn't convert the phrexianized drones, i suspected she would have no trouble converting any of the more autonomise portions of the phyrexian forces. Namely the preators themselves. As im pretty sure the only things she wasn't able to corrupt were planeswalkers as their sparks protected them from the eldritch moons effects, the same way the sparks protected them from the oil. The only reason zombies were immune to emrakul is that have any thought at all they are simply willed to move.

I like this type of video and would like if you did more. We still don't know what mission Jace was sent on. Maybe he was sent to Innistrad to find a way to Compleat Emrakul. Did the titans on Zendakar truly die? I know the gatewatch tried to pull them onto the plane, but did they succeed? Or did they just cut off a limb? Since the avatars we see on a plan is just a limb, how big is a titan? Can they feed on multiple plans at once?

Thank you for making this video! I commented this back when Tamiyo got compleated. I always assumed emrakul would take over as the phyrexian god

I just listen to your Emrakul video yesterday at work and wonder if she could be phyrexianized and the this video just popped into my feed. 😅

You have mentioned this on the previous video on Eldrazi as well and I haven't actually read the story but did the writers specifically say tha t the gatewatch pull the full titans from the blind eternities before killing them or did they just kill the physical manifestations in the planes?

I thought this was going go be a part of the phryexian arc when Jace said bring about the end. I know the phrexians are locked up somewhere In the blind eternities and with innistrads moon floating out there I think it's possible that emrakul floats in to where Jace and the other phrexians are, especially since Jace had that mental connection with Emrakul at one point. I don't know who controls who between emrakul or the phrexians however.

Emrakul would instantly shatter not only Elish Norns mind, but also the hive mind that is Phyrexia, and replace it all with herself. Maybe not even on purpose, but just by the very existence of what she is. Ironically, she would truly embody Norns goal. All would be one, all would be Emrakul.

I would love to see more videos like this

Your what if now gots me wanting to look back at war of the spark XD

This is great. I believe it could happen and that'd be really creepy & scary 😨. KEEP STAYING PAWZITIVE BRO 👍🔥

I’m so glad you ended the video with the possibility of this being future cannon. It is what I was thinking through the whole video. Without Norn, Emrakul could be the new “mother” of phyrexia.

i love the image of phyrexian Jace- sitting on innistrads moon with a shovel, huffing and digging, completely unaware that Elesh norn was dead already

if i recall, the avatars dying doesn't kill the actual titans, what the gatewatch did was, to follow the metaphor of a pond and a hand reaching in, they grabbed the hand and yanked the entire being in, only then could the eldrazi be killed, mind you that still took the actual plane of zendikar getting hooked up to chandra and then hyper boosting her spell, the titans going physically into the plane was about to tear it apart, so it's honestly just luck that the gatewatch managed to get the spell off in that very short period of time that the titans were physical and then plane hadn't disintegrated yet

One hypothetical video on Slivers would be awesome!!!

Based off the information you provided, it leads me to conclude that slivers would also make an excellent counter on the mental front of emrikul

Cool video!!

Would you be able to do one speculating if Ajani wasn't compleated? Given Nahiri's comments that they would have gone to him instead of her for the strike force, his involvement in dominaria, the plan for Theros, I'd imagine it would be quite the change.

I can see this happening but I also find it easily likely that Phyrexia bit off more than it could chew: either Emrakul takes over the Phyrexian hive mind and becomes its controller, or Emrakul, being linked to Phyrexia, proceeds to simultaneously drain all mana from every Phyrexian across the planes, bringing a complete end to Phyrexia.

I really with the March of the Machine set was a year or two worth of sets, each featuring ~3 planes showing the battles on each and instead of the battle cards belonging to a single plane in it’s entirety, they could be based on locations, like mini planechase cards. That way we can have cards like the other two compleated gods of Theros, which we don’t even know the identity of yet, or have a bunch of compleated characters appear on cards. Phase 1: the weaker planes that would easily fall could get a last swan song Phase 2: planes that would be able to mount a reasonable defense, but have Capenna thrown in with the phyrexians underestimated the threat of Halo Phase 3: Angels from Capenna fly through the omenpaths created by Realmbreaker and bolster defenses across the worlds that still stand.

What if Lukka had a good redemption Arc? What would it look like? What if he became a bounty hunter at Thunder Junction and had Mila alongside him?

I'd argue in skeptacism where you argue in the affirmative. I think the colorlessness the eldrazi represent would offer a resistance to corruption rather than a compatability. After all, its likely the blind eternities would stip away the effects of the oil. Also, with Emrakuls life warping influence, there might be a case that she could undo the corruption of the oil, creating new twisted versions of life

For the record, it wasn't Norn's ingenuity. Ajani was the one who understood how it worked and informed Norn of this.

I'd compare it to Riven of a Thousand Voices in Destiny when she was "Taken." The corruption can set in, they can be "Completed/Taken," but they'd still have a will of their own since they can essentially shrug off the mind control but just follows orders.

Emrakul, the Whispering Perfection

I talked with some friends about this concept, and I proposed that what if Emrakul intentionally allowed herself to be taken over by the glistening oil in order to overtake the phyrexians, for whatever unknown purpose they have. I made up a custom card that had the Completed mechanic on it, that it got more benefits for the more life you paid to cast it and it had an enter the battlefield effect if it didn't gain those benefits.

I always thought it would be cool if some off-shoot phyrexian cult used a body of an eldrazi titan to resurrect Yawgmoth. I would love to see Yawg come back and cause a phyrexian civil war, and eventually bring back one of magics' best big bads.

Nice video! But I would like to point to a few things that might be interesting: -The Eldrazi are old and their mind doesn't really "work" in a way we can understand. When Jayce and Emrakul were chatting, it was implied that it was Emrakul and Jayce meeting in a "middle ground" where he could perceive and make sense of her. One mind so vast and alien could be a problem for The One, she would operate in ways the phyrexian hivemind simple could not process or access because it is bound by mortal ways of thinking and existing. While yes, you could probably convert her flesh, I think the battle to convert he mind would be waaaaaaaay more difficult and, for a twist, maybe even lost. Imagine what would happen if the phyrexian hivemind was taken over by the Eldrazi? -Assuming my previous point, I would guess any phyrexian with a strong ego(mainly the praetors) would resist the overpowering will to bow to Emrakul, but all the other ones? They would become phyrexianized eldrazi drones. Norn would have a massive war in her hands before even finishing the invasion of the multiverse! -Now we have a 3 way war with 2 very, very dangerous foes. Assuming a Emrakul victory and eventual control over phyrexia, we now have a massive problem: any world the eldrazi devour would become a new "new phyrexia". The stakes would only go up from there.

What if Illuna became a Planeswalker? Cant wait for that video

Next video: the emrakul and chatterfang team up vs the Phyrexian army

Well for starters we'd all be screwed especially if it's hunger made it unpredictably rebelious. as a sonic fan ive seen the "use a cosmic entity for domination" fail so many times

"The gods of Theros are indestructible and incorruptible" Elspeth: "ex cuse me?!?!"

Ok, hold on. Emrakul doesn't have a physical form. Ugin literally stated that when an eldrazi invades a plane, only part of it actually shows up. The eldrazi are so vast and alien that even if you compleated their avatar, you are only compleating a fraction of their being. A fraction that would probably just either not be affected by compleation, or it would just be discarded and disappear. When Jace "spoke" with Emrakul, the projection of "Emrakul" admitted that she didn't even realized Jace existed, and that the creature Jace was speaking to was simply Jace's own mind attempting to make sense of something that literally could not be understood. Even if SOMEHOW, Elesh Norn pulls off some bullcrap plot-driven plan to compleat Emrakul and it SOMEHOW works, Emrakul would just become the dominant consciousness of Phyrexia, and the multiverse would fall not to Elesh Norn herself, but to her unmatched hubris in thinking she could compleat a being as vast and powerful as Emrakul. Not to mention, Emrakul's title is literally the "Titan of Corruption." While Phyrexia may have the means to corrupt, they would be trying to corrupt the actual embodiment of corruption. It just doesn't work. Sure, they compleated Heliod, but it took a massive amount of planning and effort, and they had to exploit a kind of loophole. They compleated Omnath, which is a being of pure energy, and a manifestation of a plane, but even a being as powerful as Omnath only holds a infinitesimal fraction of an eldrazi titan's power. Seriously, even if Elesh somehow manages to both corrupt the embodiment of corruption, and bend it to her will, how in the hell would you even begin to compleat it? Sure, glistening oil can mutate flesh into machines, but true phyrexians have to be surgically modified to be considered compleat. According to Gideon, her avatar alone is 150 feet tall. How many resources would Norn have to invest to completely turn just her AVATAR into a machine? As stated earlier, her avatar is only a fraction of her actual form. Because Ugin compared a titan's avatar to a hand in a pool of water, and the average female height (if Emrakul can really be counted as female despite being stated to be beyond gender) is around 5'4, and the human palm is 0.08% of the human body, we can assume that Emrakul's true form is at LEAST 187,500 feet tall, using a hand to body ratio of 150 to 0.08%. Meaning that if Emrakul's true form is simplified to be cylindrical, it would be 1,236,872,244 square feet in area. If we are assuming Jin-Gitaxias and his chrome host compleated Emrakul (because I dont know what the irl equivalents of the metals that the other praetors use, and because Jin-Gitaxias is probably the only praetor smart enough to do it), and it takes 19.91 square feet of chrome to compleat a human, that would mean that truly compleating Emrakul's true form would take roughly 1,236,000,000,000 square feet of chrome, which I GUARANTEE that the ENTIRETY of New Phyrexia does not have. Now looking at it from a gameplay perspective, it would be utterly broken to be able to use phyrexian mana to cast Emrakul. However, if they find a way to balance it, it would be completely awesome. So yes, while I think the idea of Emrakul's compleation is completely unrealistic, it would be awesome to see.

Jace and Tamio know the most of any living being about Emrakul... which is still basically nothing. Jace realized he was not even close to understanding Emrakul when they "talked", and Tamio was like "yeah, I didn't do shit, that was all Emrakul". The most intel they can give is "we think she is, maybe, 'trapped' in the moon. How, why, don't know."

A couple comments: A.) magic's multiverse is not one of parallel universes or alternate timelines, we have never once seen this represented and is instead been shown to be separate worlds not based off each other at all. B.) if I remember correctly the extent of the eldrazi's death is unknown, and it is very possible that only their temporary physical forms were killed, not the eldrazi themselves.

You should do a what if about Nicol Bolas winning War of the Spark, I would love to see that

Wouldnt be suprised if thier was some sort of time anomaly around her rn just like teferi and think that she possibly is much more active in a presence right now than what we can see while she goes across time now and is probably much bigger threat in that way spreading her influence across time rather than a single instance of her invading with her physical body

Imagine this: Elesh Norn WAS told about Emrakul by Tamiyo and Jace. She sent a squadron of phyrexians to Innistrad and had them infect the moon. While New Phyrexia was phased out of existence, the glistening oil is still there on the moon, doing work... Until one day, Emrakul frees herself and uses her influence over the blind eternities to pull New Phyrexia back, becoming the 'Titan of Machines' and leading the phyrexian forces that were built up while she was still imprisoned into another invasion!

For Stasis, I would put that in my Azorious artifact deck which has lots of artifact lands and Unwinding Clock. It’s meant to be a competitive deck to begin with.

I’d love to see more what if videos. Let’s see what you got.

I was actualy just thinking of this last night

The only large issue with this is how compleation works. For a long time people thought Planeswalkers couldn't become phyrexians because of their spark-- Turned out it was because the early Planeswalkers didn't have a true consistent form anymore, you can't compleat something that doesn't exist. Emrakul is simply an avatar for a greater being within the blind eternities that keeps them locked within a physical reality, like other people have mentioned it would be much more possible that even she can corrupt the phyrexians since they unlike herself are defined beings of mortal stature.

My issue is eldrazi are eldritch horrors that distort reality around them. And yes the physical avatars can be beaten but her form on the card is usually described as a limb of the being. I don't think they could get close enough to her initially. Maybe elesh norn could compleat the husks of kozilek and ulamog to attempt to compleat emrakul

11:05 I'm not so sure Gin's capable of getting to Emrakul before she gets to him. If they're both currupting entities, what's to stop Gin from getting Eldraziid amidst his through calculations

A future video could be "What if Bolas have Won and has to face Phyrexia".

Loved this! In truth I feel both sides would influence each other, whipping the Compleation process into something either more profound or quicker - as Eldrazi warping could prime targets to go through that process. The Eldrazi Titans are furthermore interesting, especially Emrakul, in that they could have well served the role that the Realmbreaker had - with Emrakul's true body in the space between the Planes being the connective tissue that would allow Phyrexians to go to other realms to make perfect. I would love to see more what ifs! Maybe not the inverse as Eldrazi-warped Phyrexians probably don't gain as much narratively.

Personally I suspect that if Emrakul were somehow to be capable of being effected by the Glistening Oil, it would be the last act of Elesh Norn as ruler of New Phyrexia as Emrakul would immediately break her mind, possibly by accident and then based on what Emrakul finds there assume control and begin spreading that vision in some twisted way that fits its own understanding... after warping New Phyrexia into some sort of Lovecraftian body horror amalgamation of Phyexian and Eldrazi of course

Emrakul, God of Phyrexia… that would be so dope!

I think Emrakul could be be compleated, but wouldn’t really act like a normal Phyrexian. I kind of doubt the Eldrazi have souls, and the removal of the soul seems to be what makes a Phyrexian start acting differently. So Emrakul would physically be Phyrexian, but wouldn’t actually serve Elesh Norn or stop devouring planes as usual.

We know that Planeswalkers couldn't be completed for a while but through research on the kami that became possible but it would also cause creeping damage to the spark eventually snuffing it out. This said while I absolutely love the idea of a machine that is infinite and unending it would be horrible for this kind of thing to happen to the eldrazi.

What if the brother's stones (or paths after they split) were switched? What would happen to Mishra and Urza, and how might the brother's war end differently?

so much to absorb. let me see if i got this right. it's the borg vs. cthulhu?

An all powerful multiverse traveling titan that would have no need for a tree to navigate the planes? That would essentially be game over for the characters of Magic

Would be fun if Emracul and Pyrexia would both be locked in a permanent state of distorting and currupting each other and throwing spawns at each other only to warp them into the other image.

Emrakul is a titan of coruption, and glistening oil just intends to do that so they both are forces of similiar workings. But just as the oil was changed under jin-gitaxias, Emrakul could possibly currupt the glistenig oil itself. Then there would not be a phyrexianised eldrazi, but instead a lot of eldrazied phyrexians. I personaly just think this would be more in line of the real otherwordlyness of these lovecraftian beasts, either corrupting the oil ore being unaffected by it. The presumed death of an eldrazi is something that just tastes bitter as this what really ruined the emersion of such an entity, and thats also why i hope that there will never be anything like a remote controled eldrazi (despite how cool a phyrexianised Emrakul would be).

If I remember correctly they do kinda have alternate timelines exemplifyed by Crovax, Ascendant Hero

I think compleation of an Eldrazi titan would work much like the compleation of Tamiyo, the first Planeswalker compleated. Though im not sure Emrakul would be as susceptible to compleation as either of the other titans had they survived Zendikar, due to her own corrupting powers wasnt she able to change even stuff like trees or was that from Nahiri's manipulationa of leylines?

I think you have it backwards, Emrakul would corrupt the Phyrexians long before they would be able to figure out how to complete her. Even if they did complete Emrakul I think that it would have a reverse effect. I don't Emrakul would be assimilated into Phyrexia. I think Phyrexia would assimilated into the Eldrazi.

One issue I see with this is innistrad’s moon itself. Sorin’s construction of the helvault possibly blocked extraplanar communication from Nahiri the first time the eldrazi stirred from their tombs. Meanwhile, at the end of the phyrexian invasion, the plane being phased out of existence cut communication to the rest of the planes, rendering all phyrexians inert. The phyrexians wouldn’t be able to just try and inject the moon with oil- its silver would cut off the oil’s communicative properties to New Phyrexia. Hence, they would absolutely need to physically shatter the moon and engage in a direct confrontation, no mean feat. Also, Emrakul didn’t seem to care much for innistrad, and the leyline lure Nahiri created was no longer active, it feels much more likely Emrakul would just leave.

Emrakul with Infect would be Terrifying

when they compleated tamiyo this was actually my first thought, because why else would they specifically grab her, probably one of the most dangerous and hard to gank planeswalkers? also what if they compleated slivers?

Just the thought of eldrazi's being completed and having phyrexian mana costs is terrifying. Turn one pay 30 life to drop a compleated Emrakul 😬😬

So, my march headcannon was that the planeswalkers would call on emrakul to eat phyrexia

I would argue that this cannot be done any more than you could infect a human with something like the Corrupted Blood "virus" in World of Warcraft. The Eldrazi titans are the avatars of the Eldrazi in the same way that a World of Warcraft player character is the avatar of the player. Infecting the avatar cannot infect the player. At best you can corrupt or even steal the avatar, and it'd annoy the player - but the player isn't tangibly affected.

I'm super scared but intrigued on the concept of what if? Became. A magic thing. I love it in marvel but I don't know. It feels like it could be a lot of fun but scary

Emrakul shows up on New Phyrexia: "Oh, new things play.. with.. eww.. this looks gross. This won't do, I'll have to.. Hey, don't touch me, I don't know where you've been!"

We have 3 big bads waiting in the wings. We either have Bolas escape and try to control Emrakul or Phyrexia, Emrakul finds a way into the meditation realm and takes over Bolas by offering him his old powers or alters Phyrexia to madness, or we have Phyrexia manage to find an Eldrazi or Bolas and use them to escape. Whoever is left out, ends up being an 'enemy of my enemy' situation. Eldrazi + Phyrexia ends up with Bolas getting released as a hail mary where he says his vengeance will come after the threats defeated. Or Phyrexia will be unleashed if it's the Eldrazi and Bolas and be a trump card against the swarm of drones/mana eating. Or Emrakul says "now the time is right" and unleashes herself to devour Phyrexia+Bolas.