WHAT IF...? Ep. 9 | Next Level Stupid 

As a person who's big on lore and it irritates me to no end that this show constantly contradicts its own lore

Everything probably could've been cleared up real easy if Starlord T'challa just had a one-on-one sit-down with Ultron.

I don;t like that they're ignoring the very simple rule of an Infinity Gauntlet only working in it's home dimension. Ultron can't go destroying universes because he logically shouldn't.

The Watcher did The Simpson's Leonard Nimoy Monorail scene. Leonard Nimoy: "Well, my work is done." Barney: "What do you mean your work is done? You didn't do anything." Leonard Nimoy: "He, he. Didn't I?" **Beams up**

My theory is that the writters got the idea of Ultron vs Thor, Strange, CA, SL, Gamora, BW and Killmonger and they wanted to write the story around that but since they didn't realise how that doesn't work in a MULTIVERSE show they just failed since the beging.

Starlord's biggest feat was talking down Thanos with a good argument. When the Watcher added T'challa to the team I was assuming it was because he was suppose to change Ultrons mind or something. They seemed to be setting it up too because Ultron seemed lost after destroying his first universe. But he really didn't do anything special. The naysayers are right. They could have just kept Peter Quill then

They killed iron man 4 times in this show He got killed by hank pym in ep3, He was killed by a zombie in ep5 He was killed by kilmonger in ep6 He was killed by ultron in ep8

Even without the poltics, the series is just medicore, it has like 2 good episodes, one great episode and the rest are bad

Honestly feel like Doctor Strange could have probably took on Ultron by himself. Granted all of his big feats seemed to take effort from him so if they gave him an assist from Carol Danvers and I guess kept starlord around to pickpocket Ultron, there's no way they would have lost.

Do you know what I find really interesting in all of this? You just got to the part where Natasha corrupts Ultron with an AI/virus (?) and I was just sitting here, thinking, that the Ultron we knew from our timeline in our movie was *really* into self-improvement. He kept going through iteration after iteration of himself, upgrading himself whenever he could, however he could, to make himself stronger and more resilient... so I find it incredibly hard to believe that another Ultron, especially one that got the Infinity Stones, wouldn't have been doing the same. And having the Infinity Stones, he could be doing this without having to actually slave away trying to find new material and new tech to do this - he could teleport everywhere to find what he needed or even just conjure things into existence - or change his own existence - with the Stones to make himself a nigh-impregnable nightmare machine-god. So why didn't he? ;D That's one of the longest-term, biggest problems with superheroes, especially the ones from comics - power scaling. People and things get such insane powers that things often become unmanageable without resorting to similarly absurd solutions... or screwing the pooch completely by not addressing the problem or leaving gaping plot holes regardless.

Infinity War and Endgame has forced the MCU into the odd dichotomy of powered beings slightly stronger than the average human punching each other vs. multi-universe destroying events happening on a daily basis. Its not good entertainment trying to balance these power levels

The funniest bit of the episode for me is Peggy cursing with British swear words when she's being transported.

So they grabbed the diet coke versions of Captain America and Star Lord, but no Hulks or (I'm loathed to say this) Captain Marvels to fight a multiple unverse destrying god tier vision?

The definition of: _Thorias asking the real questions here!_

Remember when super hero cartoons were well acted, well written, wonderful escapism with no social justice nonsense in the 90s? With star shows like batman the animated series, Spiderman, justice league unlimited, and more. Pepperage Farm remembers.

It is in canon that Infinity Stones only function in their own reality from which they originated from. So Ultron's stones shouldn't work in alternate universes.

They should have made the watcher in Stan Lee’s image. That would’ve been bomb.

How is Ultron using the infinity stones outside his own universe? According to the Loki show the stones only work inside the universe they come from which Ultron already destroyed. Also if his mind is made from the mind stone itself, how does Ultron/vision even operate outside his universe? My head hurts

“We all know how nerfing Thanos is their favorite pastime” Holy shit dude you fucking totally annihilated them!

Yeah! This interpretation of _"What if..."_ seems like it was intended to troll Marvel fans. I'm not just referring to this episode, either. Can't wait to hear your review of the Star Trek: Lower Decks space orgy episode.

Regarding the explanation that ALT Dr. Strange was able to cast "Plot Armor" is because he's older than our Dr. Strange, the problem with that explanation IMO is that it forgets Strange was the Time Stone, which gave Strange the ability to see into the future. It doesn't appear hard to imagine that Strange could've used the Time Stone to forsee a spell that could work against the Infinity Glove. (Keep in mind, the Stone showed Strange a future five years past his own death to see how Iron Man defeats Thanos. If you believe every choice we make creates a different universe, you'd think using the Stone to see 14,000,000 fights with Thanos would produce trillions more different universes, one that could've shown a new sorcerer supreme discovering a spell to defeat Thanos)

Shouldnt Killmonger eventually die of old age making Zola the victor eventually? (unless his energy runs out first?)

"... has to take his shoes off the count to 21" XD I about died, choking on my coffee, aahahahahahahaha!

The highlight of the entire show is the Doctor Strange episode, other than that it was pretty much a skip. The Zombie episode is also a guilty pleasure, but that’s pretty much where my praise for the show ends.

Couldn't agree with you more. One of the many parts that made me furious was when the watcher, recruits GAMORRAH and says "oh not talking to you Tony Stark"... Biggest F you to the fans ever.

Honestly, should have just been a episodic show with each story has a actual beginning, middle, and end, and no cliffhanger to some potential serialized series

You know, with the way the MCU has gone, i'm sort of glad Marvel and Gazillion ended their relationship and Marvel Heroes 2016 was shut down, because What if, and Black Widow would have completely destroyed my wanting to play the game. I doubt Captain Marvel would have, simply because of End Game, but this shit certainly would have, but i do miss that game at times

The Watcher ignoring Tony Stark and not picking him when THE PERSON THAT CREATED HIM MIGHT BE USEFUL AGAINST HIM IN A FIGHT!! Gamora being suddenly important, I know theres a missing episode..but the subtle ways this show tried to push its feminism bullshit was actually more annoying then their usual hammer fist technique. Widow making Hawkeye basically useless and also knocking down Loki, when even CAP COULDN'T DO IT!! Making Thor a over the top dude bro. So much wasted on identity politics.

I don’t understand why they kept going after the Soul Stone, because as long as Ultron had the Time Stone he could just keep rewinding time to fix his mistakes. But then again Ultron got so nerfed that 2 girls throwing frisbees was physically hurting him so who knows what anyone was thinking.

Supreme Strange is far stronger than MCU Strange. His magic is boosted due the countless dark creatures he absorbed. Simply put, even if MCU Strange can do the barrier, it wouldn't be as strong as Supreme Strange's and Thanos would have broken it easily.

Thank god I can just watch these episodes instead of the actual ones. Your sacrifice is appreciated my guy.

A computer virus from the 1940s some how was able to do something to an omnipotent being. Since he was all in on interfering anyhow why wasn't the Watcher snatching up any and all heroes and even villains he could find to save all of the realities ? Instead of a trying to link them I think this series would have been better off as standalone stories. The cool idea of What if isn't resolutions it's as imagination fuel ..... you don't need Captain Carter to go on to have the same life as Captain America ..

This is a perfect example of the standard of quality of the writers at Marvel. "We got an idea, but we don't have the brains nor the talent to execute it."

I enjoyed watching the finale episode, but I enjoyed this video even more.

"A vilain so depraved he keeps a kill count in his own skin...". And there are people who actually think this guy was the hero of the movie.

This episode was a bit of let down after the previous episode. Makes Ultron seem just as another man in the armour, instead of a super intelligent AI with an indestructible body, etc. He behaved like a human also. He should be able to vaporize them in an instant. But I did like Doctor Strange, it shows how strong he became with studying sorcery for centuries, absorbing the strongest beings in the universe etc.

The Scott Lang jar head comment literally had me crying.

Totally agreed with everything you said brother. Very disappointing. Infinity stones shouldn't have worked in a different universe. The selection of heros were a total joke. Extremely lazy and poor writing. Example, Thanos with Infinity stones and Ulton with Infinity stones, less than a second, cut in half over. This episode could have been amazing, instead, woke, joke, and lame.

I assume this Dr. Strange is way way way more powerful cause he absorbed all types of creatures.

This only confirms what we all knew, the MCU peaked around Infinity War, it's only downhill from there.

Exactly I was like why Ultron stones work in other universes but other ones have differences where they can be destroyed by means of another universe? They want their cake and eat it too

This episode was "Arrowverse Crossover" level stupid.

The way Ultron was handled from the very beginning (i.e. in the movie) was terrible. Whoever they got to write this stuff simply didn't understand the consequences of having an profoundly intelligent AI. The most prominent consequence is the advent of the the technological singularity. Pitting even the most intelligent entities you could find against such technology is losing proposition with every moment that passes having any kind of success disappear exponentially. In other words by the time the avengers knew there was a problem it was already too late. This is the case way before such an entity gets the infinity stones. With that kind of power together with the ability to convert matter into intelligence, I couldn't even begin to imagine anything that could stand against it. Further though, the idea that such an entity would desire to destroy seems stupid in the extreme. What in practice I would expect such a depiction to reveal, is that Ultron simply created a "bad guy" caricature for those who might want to interfere with its plans to deal with. That the caricature would battle with those forces and allow them to succeed thus implying that Ultron was no longer an issue of any kind. The very best way of winning a battle is to con the opposing side into thinking they've won while you remain entirely hidden and unhindered. With the reality stone, Ultron could easily encase any form of opposition in a pocket reality with those within it being entirely unaware of their confinement. I dare say this same result could be achieved using any of the stones. Stupid doesn't even begin to describe how much of a lost opportunity Ultron as an opposing force could have been. Thanks for the review, at least it saved me from having the pain of watching them fail so badly.

Why didn't the Watcher grab Clint like he did the others? I mean imagine he turns up shortly after Nat turns up to help fight Ultron. How about Ultron summons his army of drones instead as he goes after the Watcher again? Now imagine Strange manages to nerf Ultron's infinity stones at a key moment and they team up on him as Clint appears getting Nat and Carter's help to shoot Ultron with the arrow. I mean come on if you're going to want help and you ignore the one person who helped Nat build that bloody arrow?!

Hhhhhmmmm...So a COVID-19 virus can kill Ultron.

Captain Cater ends up making people want to see the adventures of first Iron Man Steve Rogers ..... oh the glorious irony .... LMAO !!!!!

Ok you are forgetting this Strange spent 100 of years absorbing creatures, some crazy powerful. That Squid is like a creature that lives between universes. Remember he gained enough to power to break an absolute point.

I couldn't bring myself to care enough to watch the final episode. I've seen all of them except this one. The Thor episode is what broke me and the following episode didn't do enough to make me care what happens after. You're a stronger man than I if you managed to cross this finish line. I just couldn't.

Ultron in ep8: bites a galaxy in half Ultron in ep9: is slowed down by 5 people punching him

Wait, the only reason Strange needed to sacrifice himself is because the Watcher brought in Killmonger. Without Killmonger, who did NOTHING, there is no need for the sacrifice!

I have a feeling the trope of “it was all as I foresaw” that they gave the Watcher was to make it seem like he didn’t interfere and break his rule. That what he did already happened so he wasn’t interfering in the timeline he was fulfilling the timeline and thus doesn’t break his rule... technically and in a very muddled way...

Doctor strange Supreme is the only good thing about this show.

I know these reviews much like the Super Girl reviews must require ungodly amounts of booze 🥃 to get through but they are funny as hell thanks for posting them.

It very funny but an infinity stones can only work in the universe where the infinity stone are from so he would need all infinite stone to destory

Ultron being able to use the infinity stones did confuse me because the infinity stones are supposed to only work in the universe they came from

Out of all the episodes in this show, this one is the most annoying thing I’ve ever saw. Marvel comics is losing quality recently and failing in sales, I guess Marvel studios is slowly getting there.

The Woke mentality has, by its nature, Holes in its Plots. It almost matches the Holes in the Woke Minds Heads.

This review by Thorias reminded me that, By Steve Rodgers going back in time and having a life with Peggy Carter he in essence murdered her daughter who would never be born having been fathered by another man.

You put into words what I've been feeling about this show. I so badly wanted to like it but it just faltered at ever turn. So many chances to make this unique or something exciting and new.

For all the new character setup they have to destroy those who came before in order to boost the new copy and paste female characters. We don't want copies of what was, we want new stories carrying on the legacy.

The Assholes: we're here to defeat you, Ultron! Your days of destroying universes are ov- Ult-Vision: *Snaps.* The Assholes: ha, we have power armor! Your snap is worthless! UV: oh, really? *Uses the Time Stone to rewind the plot armor and erase it.* UV: so, you were saying? They: he he he... can we negotiate? Maybe talk about this in a civilized way? UV: no. *Snaps them and his universes out of existence.*

This makes CW Crisis on infinite Earths look like watchable

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Thorias...always watching these shows...so we don't have to! Thank you for your service!!

Still no idea why the fuck they needed Warmonger in the "final team". Oh, I forgot... he is black.

Gender swapping a character is one of if not the most creatively laziest things you could do in a story. Making Peggy the Super Soldier instead of Steve is just so damn boring. I fell asleep faster watching that than I did watching Batman V Superman.

You know what the greatest sin of this episode is? It’s a ripoff of the DC CW. It’s literally a guy gets a reality warping thingy, then people from different realities join up to stop the killer robot by shooting him with an arrow that has a computer virus on it. That’s right, the guys writing What If, which should by all accounts the most creative and jaw dropping production Marvel has, STOLE their main plot from the Pre-Crisis Supergirl/Flash/Arrow team up episode

What If... We took all the fun and entertainment out of Marvel cartoons. DONE!

I don't why, but that thumbnail makes me laugh out loud every time I see it.

WAIT... The infinity stones only work in the universe they were created in. Like, if you take the infinity stones to the universe next door, they stop working. It was best described as, the remote control for a very specific TV set. It doesn't work on any other TV. Yes. Basically the infinity stones are now Adam Sandler's "Click". That said, Ultron shouldn't be able to go from universe to universe destroying ANYTHING. Although... I always wondered if it was possible to INVADE some other universe and have your universe EAT the other universe, that would be a way around the limitation, but I doubt the Writers came up with it.

As far as I know the stones only work within their own universe. But because that fact destroys the premise, the writers chose to ignore it.

Notice how Watcher recruits Gamora… but not Tony, the guy who helped make Ultron.

You know what Ultron could’ve done used the space and reality stone to make an ability which makes people shrink to half their size every time someone halves the distance between them and as one’s height reduced by half and takes double the time to walk the distance so if one’s height is a quarter of their original,it would take 4 times longer to walk the distance, If a human could think of this Ultron definitely could

Peggy got such a free pass in her world. SOMEHOW the allies learn about the tesseract before Skull can start to exploit it, and for some reason Skull didn't go after it until after Peggy had been juiced, so they were able to get it away from Hydra and she never had to deal with Zola's technology. Also, she never had to fight Skull herself. She basically lived Steve's life like she's turned the settings to Game Journalist Mode and coasted through everything.

Well you cant go to the past, to make your time line in the present, change..... Steve Rodgers: The time line must have yielded to my shield, no wait, plot contrivance.

Conflicted i thought it was decent but i believe it was the different characters n story then u come with ur logical depiction n pointing out things i dumbed myself down to watch but i guess thats why i respect ur reviews its honest and accurate and makes one think i was laughing so much at the things u pointed out perfect review as usual so combo of bad what if and ur review works

Dr. Strange defense amor protective spell was putting in all the work. Like literally protect them from planet and galaxy level attacks huh? Didn't t'challa armor broke when he got flung away but now it can handle anything

Doctor Strange became powerful enough to destroy his own universe and cast shields after he absorbed hundreds, if not thousands of extra-dimensional beings. At one point during the fight, he lost control and released one that looked like an octopus, that fortunately decide to fight Ultron. Besides that, the series as a whole wasn't that great.

Dr. Strange Supreme not only is a lot older and knows more magic (which they didn't say but could be easily assumed) he is also much more powerful as main universe dr Strange due to him absorbing so many different multidimensional monsters and taking their power to increase his, so that at least had some reasonability, in my mind at least.

so PHASE 4 after kevin feige took full control... 1ºwandavision,,terrible series of 250millons 2ºFATWS a mess 3ºLOKI another mess 4 bblack widow..another terrible movie and shang chi thats is Meh...

It simply wouldn't be the *"M-SHE-U"* without plot holes.

How i would have handled that is that instead of shielding the others Strange casts a spell magnified by the time stone he carries to supress Ultron's infinity stones nerfing his abilities which is represented when Ultron noticed Strange.

They leaned on the comics so hard that couldnt be asked to write it down

Thank you 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

that strange absorbed other beings to gain more power

Saw the title and just stopped by to tell you that last battle was lit.

Peggy is good as Peggy. Agent Carter was a good show. We don’t need her to be something she’s not.

When I first saw Loki, the concept of the TVA was horrifying. Wiping out entire timelines seemed like genocide. It never occurred to me to stop and think about what all those timelines must be. What If really does do a great job of showing us why there should be only one sacred timeline and everything else needs to be destroyed. Sylvie messed up big time.

Numerous times over the course of watching this show with a friend of mine I would point out ridiculous things that didn’t make any sense and my friend would pretty much always simply say “it doesn’t matter. It’s what if.” The last time this happened was when thanos got cut in half in episode 8. From that point on I simply sat in silence and had no input or feeling on anything that happened. If nothing matters, why are we watching this? If nothing matters, what makes this not the equivalent of an anime filler arc? I mean seriously if we just chalk everything up to “it’s what if!” Then that means literally anything can happen moment to moment and there is no reason to be invested in any of it. It’s basically the Star Wars sequel trilogy.

The Watcher wasn’t looking for an Ultron breaking the universe, he WAS looking for a way Infinity Ultron is beaten.

Just watched episode 9 and had to come here for your review.

10:40-11:20 You are right. You see in marvel comics the infinity stones, do not work in a universe that they do not originate from. But every one seems to have forgotten this crucial detail these days.

T'Challa was able to get the soul stone because he got "soul"...

I have to agree. I was excited to see What if... ThenI watched each episode. All of them could've been better.

Party Thor was the diversion for kill monger because he needed supervision. Peggy was so close to widow that she knew about her family when Steve didn't. That's what earned trust. Gamora was so killmonger didn't find out he was disposable. No one needs foresight to know killmonger was going to betray the team or that the virus was coming back or trusting hydra to save the day is a bad idea. And yes ultron and the watcher knew the crusher wouldn't work.

My favorite what if is disney had gone bankrupt in the eighties and no longer existed.

Dude this strange ate hundreds of magical creatures, his power is on another level his episode explained this

*Imagine being the person(s) to ruin generations worth of work from people who lived and died for the industry within, around, and for imaginative escape via comics in the west pre 2014. The worst part is the amount of work it'd take to either fix the industry or rebuild the reputation of it after these morons have finished with it. Really freakin sad and I REALLY feel bad for the men/women that are stuck in the trenches around this sh**.*

Can his subscribers please let Thorias view something good? He's becoming increasingly disshevelled.

We all know Ultron didn't die of a retrovirus. It was pure shame from being in this show.