While winning with the best teammates all the time isn't guaranteed, Messi,for sure would have had more goals,more assists and at least 2 to 3 international trophies by now with Spain!!! Great video and pretty much on point!!!👍
2008: Silva - Torres - Messi Iniesta - Senna - Xavi Capdevila - Puyol - Marchena - Ramos 2010: Villa - Messi - Pedro Iniesta - Busquets - Xavi Capdevila - Puyol - Pique - Ramos 2012/2014: Iniesta - Messi - Silva Alonso - Busquets - Xavi Alba - Ramos - Pique - Arbeloa/Azpilicueta 2016 and onward: more and more likely to see Messi as the #10 in a 4-2-3-1 I went by player availability in the finals, btw. A fit David Villa would start over Silva both in 2008 and 2012.
Messi would have won every international trophy available if he played for Spain. Not to mention he would've extended Spain's international dominance into 2018 World Cup as well.
I'm not sure about the 2018 World cup , however he'll fix some of their issues, especially when they kept passing the ball non-stop vs russia without end product, they had 1000 passes? XD
@@ZioLegend now that you mention it , I have my doubts too. But I believe against Russia, the end product would be Leo for sure. And his through balls can split the Russian defence.
@TheWeeaboo lmao single handedly? Fuck di maria aguero right? Do you even know what single handedly means? Check out spain vs portugal 3-3 thats single handedly
definitely not winning 2014 or 2018, would've still been clapped by holland/chile, if spain learned from their previous mistakes (which they never do because they're idiots) then maybe in 2018 but this all ignores that messi had his chance to prove he was the greatest in 2014 and failed, fraud
At least Messi made it to a World cup final and was the best player of the tournament, unlike an overrated goal poacher who relies on his teammates to win him international trophies!!! That's a real fraud!!!🤪
@@oscarroca4299 •james, muller, robben, hummels, navas, neuer, kroos were all factually better, it is a disgrace of you to try and say messi even had a campaign as remotely good as them •messi was shit vs belgium/netherlands/germany and average vs swiss, ironically for you mascherano carried messi's WC hopes and was the main reason argentina went to the final •ronaldo's contribution to the euros and nations league was x10 more important than messi's contribution to the 2014 world cup, ronaldo can score a hattrick against spain in the world cup while messi struggles to statpad vs iceland/nigeria frauds really shouldn't ever be compared to ronaldo
@@WILL-vi5gb so contributing 6 out of the 8 goals and creating countless chances didn't warrant him winning the player of the tournament. Ronaldo literally never even played that final dude. And Portugal made it through the next round because of the rules that allowed the 3rd team in the group to qualify (a back door)
@@kamogelomokgwe8543 and 5 of them were statpadded against bosnia, nigeria and iran, was poor throughout the KO stages, why is this not obvious? rules aren't an excuse, messi won the WC best player for statpadding in a shit group and doing nothing in the KO = a better example of luck
The fact that he chose Argentina and won the world cup with them is even more special. Ronaldo faced lesser ranked teams in Europe on an average as compared to Messi in South America so we all can just imagine how many he would have scored if he chose Spain.
Stop comparing to Ronaldo, he wasn’t even mentioned and there isn’t even a debate, it’s annoying how people mention Ronaldo or Messi out of nowhere when the topic isn’t even near close also pepsi needed a sugar daddy FIFA to pay their bills for the World Cup trophy
@@mr.gameandwatchoilpanicove452 Haha.. cry more for your entire life just like your Penaldo will.. World Cup has determined the GOAT!!! Also, if you want to continue to argue.. Please give some evidence of how the World Cup was rigged according to you Penaldo fanboys? Please show some concrete vide evidence just like how Real Madrid's threepeat was a robbery. Also, if you don't have some evidence then stop crying. Haha..
Messi is like Federer; Naturally graceful and brilliant. Ronaldo is like Nadal; Less talented than Fed but much more hardworking. So ho do you think will have more GS by the end of their career? I'm pretty sure if you are a sane person you won't bet against Rafa, right? That's how ignorant your first statement is.
@@khalidbinwalid4252 hello !! I am a Messi fan but winning 5 BDOr 5 golden boots 4 UEFA best player can't be achieved just by hard work..u need to be seriously good. He is equally as talented as Messi.
Angel wym try again 💀💀💀💀Ronaldo doesn’t have to play for a different country to win . Apparently for u idiots Messi would’ve done better at Spain😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💀💀😂💀😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💀😂😂💀💀💀💀😂😂4-0
I dont like to call people ignorants but Any one with human brain knows hes greatest whether he wins wc or not, winning cup is team game, a single player no matter how freaking good he is wont win cup, team wins cup.
Messi playing for Spain with legends like Xavi, Iniesta, Casillas, Raul, Ramos, Villa, Puyol, Pique, Torres, Fabregas is like an alien team. They definitely would've won World Cup 2010, 2014 and 2018 with Uefa Euro 2008, 2012 and 2016.
Yup, cus just like FCB, he NEEDS Legends to carry him to glory HAHAH. How many goals does messi have in world cup knock out stages again vs Higuain? I'll wait (;
@@ricardosuarez6024 lmao I have never seen Ronaldo carry Portugal to the finals but I do have seen messi carry his team to the finals.I'm not taking about scoring goals he is a playmaker and was given the best player award in 2014
@@utkarshsingh8710 that Award was stolen and you know it HAHA. Stolen from James Rodriguez who gave Colombia an Incredible Run, and after James you had 11 better players on the German Team. Keep being delusional and believing he was actually the best player at the tournament. You delusional fan boy. FIFA makes a lot of money out of stupit people like you 🤣🤣🤣
They already won 2010 WC, and 2008 & 2010 Euros without him tho And 2018 WC? Absolutely not even close. In fact they're not winning anything else with him, you cant tell me they're gonna change from stage groups to WC winners in 2014 just for a man. Never happened, Messi never did it.
Someone In The Dark, u do realize that if Messi played for Spain, he would be playing with the exact same Barcelona players If we got a national team comprised mostly of Real Madrid players and Ronaldo played for them then Ronaldo would be undisputed goat
@@Hobie02425 not necessarily spain.but if ronaldo was in some teams that could win the wc.he wouldve done it already.and argentina is not a bad team,its only the recent team
Carried them? Lmfao vs who? Iran bosnia and the might Nigeria? HAHAH, where tf was he vs Belgium, Netherlands and Germany. You're gonna act like u didnt see messi 2 clear chances vs Germany either? You're a delusional Messhit fan clearly upset for Messis failure to show up when he is needed the most
Ricardo Suarez Belgium he created the goal, Netherlands he played well overall. Germany his injury was getting worse and he created a couple chances, next...
But then Messi doesn't want Spain. He wanted to play for his nation Argentina more than anything. (I'm only saying it as fact, nothing against the video)
@@kennymichaelalanya7134 Messi said that if he didn't play for Argentina he wouldn't have played for any other team so that wouldn't have happened either if they wanted it, Messi is Argentine not Spanish end of story.
Actually it'd have been a very good decision is Higuain would haven taken France instead of Argentina so Messi would've won a WC & couple Copa Americas at least
I would have preferred if Messi had chosen Mexico. We would have won everything and he would undoubtedly be dubbed the GOAT even by Penaldo's most cocksucking fanboys!
"Messi never had the courage to leave Barcelona" "Messi turned his back on Argentina and sold himself to Spain for easy glory" Even if Messi had 20 ballon d'ors and 5 World Cups, haters would find other stupid argument to diminish him. That's how it is, unfortunately.
I know, haters don't even know how to debate anyways without making themselves look stupid. Especially Madridista's would be the first ones to say something like that to diminish Messi.
@@jakedelhinski3849 dont talk shit man, the madridistas who hate on messi are mostly little kids. iam a madridista and i got deep respect for messi and love to watch him. he is pain in the ass for us since he started to play in the 1st team of barca, but that doesnt make me hate him. the day he ends his career i will have one eye crying and one eye laughing. crying because as a lover of the beautiful game, i will miss this wonderful, genius player, the laughing eye, because he wont score any more goals to my team. football will not be the same. and @dregongora haters gonna hate, you are right. but this happens to all players
@@ManuSlzno Sorry I wasn't indicating all Madridistas, what I mean't by Madridistas I mean't most of them, not all of them and good to see you are not one of them to defame and disrespect Messi.
@@ManuSlzno And you are right football will never ever without a genius player like Lionel Messi. Messi makes football beautiful, even if he leaves I'm still Barcelona fan since 1999 to the day of my death, but I know that without him not just football wouldn't be the same anymore, but also my team Barcelona as well won't be the same. Before Messi, my team were good, but not as great as they were from 2008-2015. The 2 Trebles and Sextuple in 2009 was because of him, without him we might've not have won 2 Trebles and Sextuple.
@@jakedelhinski3849 even though I'm from Madird , I like Messi over Ronaldo . I always want real to win but imma fan of Messi's game. Ronaldo is a great scorer n I liked the Ronaldo in United rather than Madrid where he was just a scorer n nothing more ..
If Messi would have chosen Spain, there wouldn't be any doubts, that he is the best player ever... Because the only arguments Messi-haters have, is that he isn't as succesive with his national team as Ronaldo or Pele etc. But if he would have played for spain, he would have 2x, 3x better statistics than Ronaldo...
I couldn't agree more mate.the previous vid "ENDING A DEBATE" I'd to try many times to explain(with logic/statistics)for one blind PENALDO (CR7 fan) that no comparison between the two lol Messi belongs to another planet.
Michael Casimir Ya But 2014 final Messi could have scored and so could’ve Higuaín copa America 2015 Messi was the only one who scored his penalty and in 2016 Vidal missed his penalty too while yes Messi’s miss was bad it wasn’t too bad because it was still even
Everytime when I watch your videos its like studying statistics in mathematics. Based on realistic and logic. You are really a researcher of football. I like it very much.
@@juanmoreno267 I see your point bro. France ridiculously stole foreign players but in Leo's case he learned & played whole career in Spain so kinda more acceptable you know.
@@VideoAssistantRafi no like im talking about france getting players from former french colonies if spain would get their players from former spanish colonies spain would be op because they would have messi suarez aguero dybala di mario james cavani godin ederson allisson thiago silva etc etc i can list you a whole nother list of latin american players who are from countries that used to be part of the spanish empire
@@juanmoreno267 I see what you mean but that means there won't be Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay...ect that would be sad actually. But someone like Messi who two third of that Spain golden era squad were his teammates again that? Leo would have fitted in perfectly 👌
His recent World Cup win probably further proves this video’s point. Messi won the World Cup with a competent coach and young talent. Imagine if he had his Barca teammates in their prime?
@@foa0695 saying individual name doesn't prove anything. Brazil in 2006 was the best team talking about individually, but they didn't win. I'm saying that Argentina is better for many reasons, and yes, I could be wrong but this is my opinion. First of all, Spain didn't play with a 9 (cf) David villa wasnt a 9 he was a winger. Spain in the world cup did 4 goals!!!! Suffering in every match. They were also boring to watch, you may have some tiki taka Mandela effect but they weren't really good. Argentina in the 2022 changed a whole generation with a new generation. They won vs the actual Copa America champion (Brazil) the actual Europe champion (Italy) the second best team in the world cup (Croatia) and the champion of the world cup (France). And don't forget, Argentina has the best player ever in the history of football.
@@SoYouABitch Brazil 2002 was the better Brazil team. In 2006 Ronaldo was well past his best. Ronaldo was Brazil's star. They had a great team. Now if we compare the Spain team vs the Argentina team... Spain was Barcelona and real Madrid combined. They lacked many great forwards although David villa was really good.
@@justinoppermann3997 First of all, I meant with Xavi and Iniesta, Messi will surely win the world cup, secondly, you act as if messi is shit, he consistently is the top european scorer and assister
@@alialkhamiri6687 Messi is the main man in Barca. Xavi & Iniesta couldn't have achieved what they won at club level without Leo. they both admit it & both with the rest declared alongside Pep as Messi is the greatest of all time. & Leo deserves more. simple
Another brilliant balanced well prepared vid. 👍I'll add this one to the previous "ENDING A DEBATE" in to it. Messi can't be compared to any simply THE BEST 👌
This is for you Zio Legend. I was wondering if you could do a vid about the REAL RONALDO (the Brazilian) as I believe he's the GREATEST STRIKER EVER graced the game & arguably the purest talent in terms of abilities football ever witnessed. I think the best #9 of all time deserves a thorough vid? 😊
If Messi choosed Spain he wouldv been the most complete player in football history and the undisputed goat. But he choosed argentina, his REAL homeland and thats what a great person wouldv done.
Spot on my man its a FACT PS: ignore the "PENALDO" fan there. I mean by just replying "other way around " it tells you how much in denial Cristinao fans are & jealous of Leo as they have no other answer to justify.
Shaik Mohammad Zeeshan, If this was true then Messi would play aswell for Argentina as he does for Barcelona So u can get that dumb idea out of your head
My man MX, Do more videos, you have potential! for example, in the end of the year make a video about Messi's goals in 2019 ;) or maybe something else you decide !
I really don't like this because Leo fans thought that everything in Barca is about Messi and forget Xavi's creativity and playmaking and Iniesta influences so Here in Spain is where we see clearly that Xavi's and Iniesta are actually the most important Players in Barca.
Rasheed Al-Nimr Al-Adab Siz, why?? It’s unfair to put Messi in a national team comprised of Barcelona players If we put Ronaldo in a national team comprised of Real Madrid players then Ronaldo would score 200+ international goals
He would have won 2 world cups not 1 if he picked Spain over Argentina. But he was never going to pick anyone but Argentina. Even if Argentina never had called him up to the first team, he would have waited. Messi has been loyal to Argentina, Barcelona and his wife who he has known since childhood. He doesn't show off his money and goes all over the media and is the best player in football history
This would’ve been soo much fun. But Leo wanted to win with his country. And he’s finally done it! I’m sure he will enjoy this more than if he won everything many times with Spain.🙏🐐
We only count smart people like you & I my friend lol. I personally won't care if someone with no logic & football knowledge to even consider his/her opinion.
@@VideoAssistantRafi I truly agree.. Adding the Leo,Xavi,Iniesta chemistry to the already strong Spanish squad wouldn't have been able to be matched by other national teams
@@ProtikMitra7 Absolutely. the holy trinity (Messi, Xavi & Iniesta) I'd say you can add on top of Spain's achievement + WC 2014 & Euro 2016. (sorry PENALDO fans but no glory for your man) lol
(Fan bois of Messi & Ronaldo, kindly this read the comment section) I know Cristiano in particular is so glad Leo decided to choose Argentina over Spain.
He doesn't care neither does messi it's just u fan boys that talk about non existent things and " would've " shit the reality is messi is Argentine period
A Shakir yeah thats not the case, Leo would definitely have achieved success in the world cup n euros playing for spain thus winning every possible trophy for both club and country. Simply put there would be no argument, question or unticked box left for Leo, considering hes not slowing down statistically even at the age of 32 he would cement himself as the best player to ever grace the game.
If Messi had played for Spain rather than Argentina, there is a chance he had received the same amount of trophies that they won without him. It all proves that Messi played in a team consisting of some of the best players in their most dominant period. Yet all these channels exist to promote him, like he is something special.
No coach. Now argentina has a coach and also a third world cup lol. Tbh Messi could have won 3 world cups with argentina if they had scaloni or other decent coach all the way in 2010 2014 and 2022.
Any way..Messi made a good choice to play for Argentina. I see it like this; it's not only winning trophies that counts but is winning them for YOUR COUNTRY,playing with your country shirt and honouring it is much more better than winning 10 WC's for a country were I wasn'born or have origins. He may have been greatly unlucky but after all he already paid his debt for his country. The important thing is that you are doing it for YOUR COUNTRY,YOUR PEOPLE,And most impontant for YOUR AND THEIR HAPPINESS.I think if he should have chosen Spain for that he would have HIGHLY regeated it,and later how would the Argentines feel to not have such a legend??. Its true,he would have 3 or 4 WCs along with the Euros,but is that what he really wants?? Win trophies for Spain and not for his Motherland?? better to make your country happy and proud even if you played 3 consecutive finals,cos I think nomatter all the criticism Argentines love his so much. He did really a lot. The important thing his making your country happy
If messi had chosen spain they would have still have said he was playing with the best players and also his Barca teammates...so basically we just have to hope that one day CR7 fans will see who's the best without us always trying to prove that messi is indeed the best
There is a videotape of from when Messi was very young and he moved to Barcelona for Football. He was really smitten by Barcelona... but when the interviewer asked him, he immediately retorts by saying that he wants to play only for Argentina. I think Messi was always sure of that and he wanted to win the world cup for Argentina.
no he doesnt and i can tell you for a fact because any person who loves their country, is patriotic, would never do something like this. If he wanted to win a WC for *himself* then he would have joined spain. But he wanted to win it for his *country* . Guess not everyone thinks as selfish as you.
Back in 2009 when and I was a kid and just started to watch football I thought .Messi was a Spanish player .Arsene wenger was english .Zlatan was italian
Totally agree with yuh mate, not to mention even that "Euro 2016" PENALDO fans & the loser himself keep bragging about would have been stripped by Messi's Spain lol
Honestly I'm happy that Messi didn't choose Spain. Otherwise it would have killed international football. No competition, and Messi's success would've been criticized, due to him being on a superteam. I like our timeline a lot more. Messi did it the hard way ❤
2010 Spain squad + Messi would've been the strongest national team in the history. They would practically be Barcelona on national level and we all know how strong Barça was at that time.
I'd even question if he'd have one even mate, think of it, if Messi would have won Euro 2008 with Spain so the Ballon D'or would to handed to him , Not to Cristinao
monjur 1395, u are so biased It’s an unfair comparison to put Messi in a national team comprised of only Barcelona players, If we put Ronaldo on a national team comprised only of Real Madrid players then Ronaldo would score 200+ international goals
When I Look at Gaurdiola , I'm like this Man is more than a Manager. People may hate him coz he continuously thrashed their teams but he's a Gem. He was the Reason we won WC of 2010 n Germany who won 2014. Both of these teams worked in the system he created n how they need to approach. As said by Lewandoski , we didn't win UCLs under Pep but He Provided us a great vision of the Game n that's the reason I like Pep. Now Talkin abt Money, in a team like City , gotta spent money coz of not so good academy but again how much did he spend n what's goin to be the profit ? Well. He spent 800M something while currently most players in the city team can be sold for 150M+ . That's the profit he lets u make . Liverpool spent 500M+ on transfers but they need to spend another 400M coz their players r gettin old while most of Liverpool's player except Djik,Mane n Allison's market value decreased after the loss against Atletico . They got fkin Lucky that it was Valverde's Barca n not so good Tottenham who also got lucky with the V.A.R. Gaurdiola's previous season could have been the greatest of all time if V.A.R hadn't fked him up . Funny how People call Messi not so good coz he's in the same team while the same people call Ferguson the Best for staying in a single team all his life . Double standards
I like to see a thorough vid about the real Ronaldo. As I personally regard him the GREATEST striker of all time & the most pure talent the game ever witnessed. If Zio Legend shares the same view then please do (video) about Ronaldo Luis Nazario. Thanks
2 years later.... For me he is the second best ever. He could be as good as messi without injuries. That could be a serious debate. R9 was a phenomenon but is forgotten
Quick question what makes you an expert on these topics ? Do you study football in every aspect ? Have you ever had the experience in managing or playing with a football team?
For all of the people saying if he chose Spain he would be the greatest of all time...no Its not how many world cups you win...of he joined Spain..there is no doubt he would've won many world cups...but it wouldnt be exciting and as we know world cups doesn't mean that you are the best. If he won world cups in Spain people would've said that xavi , iniesta , busquets , pique , villa , Ramos , morata carried Messi...when Messi won the world cup in Argentina...we knew that Messi carried them to the world cup and he could've 2 world cups in Argentina...if it wasn't for higuain , the only mistakes that Argentina did at the 2014 world cup was not putting aguero instead of higuain.. I still can't imagine Messi not wearing a Argentina international jersey
Nice video, but i must say something. In this assumption I think we are overlooking a very important thing that is his loyality. His loyality made him who he is today, made him stay at barcelona, made him play for argentina and made him the best player in the world. If we exclude this factor from the start by betraying his country we could easily make the assumption that he might leave Barcelona as well and things would evolve different.
He'd have been more like PENLADO who keeps moving from richest club of each country he played into another with zero loyalty. As I pointed out previously. He left United when the club lost CL final 2009 (ironically to Messi ) lol. Left Real Madrid when he couldn't cope with La Liga & CL as Madrid always demand the BEST just like Barca. & now with Juve nice & easy. let's see where his next destination. PSG if he thinks can score goals. or USA/China with ZERO loyalty. unlike Leo from youth academy at la masia into his 16th season & counting. PURE LEGEND & role model to follow
No you misunderstood me. Let me word it properly. If Messi chose Spain as his Nationality, would the Ronaldo and Messi rivalry been as big as it is today. Remember Messi has been living in Spain since he was 10 years old. So he did have the opportunity to switch nationality. Spain went on to win the many Trophies playing the Same football Barcelona has been playing. Plus His Team mates are there.
