What if The Emperor Fought For The Entire Horus Heresy? | Warhammer 40k Lore 

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Here's A Fun question /What if Scenario what if one of the Emperor sons like guilliman woke up earlier and founded and Ruled the tau empire What would be the Imperium reaction finding out one of the emperor's sons is not only alive but control an alien Empire

I'll be honest, I didn't realise that the newly released character was a Custodian, I though he was a Wolf Lord or something to do with the Space Wolves 😅

Have you considered doing videos on the Gloriana and Abyss class battleships, or the Emperor's Flagship, and the Phalanx?

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Yeah and for real.

​@@naryprum4981just like life one simple mistakes it takes fug everything up

I mean, that basically was what his potential was. His psychic might potential put him in a class of his own amongst his brothers had he reached true potential and not been shattered.

This video is basically a ''Shut the fuck up dumbass" to all those thinking Magnus did nothing wrong. Any other Primarch could have fallen to Chaos and it wouldn't have been as bad as him joining Horus. Even should Sanguinius and the Lion decide to bail on the Imperium, with Magnus by His side, the Big E still would have won.

I feel like “if Magnus did nothing right” would also work as a parallel to the joke of Magnus doing nothing, wrongly

Pertys back truly must have ached for the last 10,000 years

Accurate

Having neither Magnus nor Perturabo would be the ultimate way to cripple the Heresy, it seems.

If only the grumpy primearch was given a bit of love, then the galaxy would be less fucked

man magnus single handedly gave the traitors a Win without even meaning to..imagine if the custodes where free to whoop traitor ass!

The khan takes life a quarter mile at a time

They come drifting out of the warp

Not necessarily death metal... just The Hu

That would be more of a Jaghati thing.

​@@logangrimnar3800Agree. That'd be a total Khan moment

What a Mongolian thing to say.

Magnus: Primarchs... ASSEMBLE!!!!

​@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 Not something like "Brothers, to me"?

The Emperor's Haki

It'd be funnier if the Emperor psychically purified all of the Chaos marines so most of them realize what they have become and either switch sides or get mind broken by guilt and either suicide-charge the remaining Traitors or let themselves die by the Loyalists or by flying into a sun or something.

@@fadelsukoco3092nah, it’ll be like Ec: *HEAVY withdrawal symptoms.* DG: *instant decay and agony* WE: *WEE cage match as usual.* LW/SoH: *nothing changed.* TS: “we follow Magnus!” … Big E: *whips out Nobel shard* TS: *blast the traitors.* IW: *nothing changed* Night Lords: *nothing changed besides a few* Mal and Magnus team up for Konrads Therapy. … Bug E: “uh, oh god, okay okay one moment!” *rushes into the therapy room.* … Horus: uh, what? … Guiliman shows up: “oh hey we finally arri-“ Big E: “blue boi we need you, fill out a paper for Konrads therapy needs!” Guiliman: *concern* Mal: that is going to be so much paper work! Magnus: please just let my legion use our powers to heal him! … Magnus: *Thousand sons now are hybrid Nightlords mentally and have warp powers.* Fuck… Horus: “hey Magnus help out more, i think the wall is failing…” Magnus: *helping.* Big E: no no magnus, help your brother please!!! … After the seige. “Saint Konrad day, peace maker of the imperium.” -40K

@@silent_stalker3687 Death Guard: Shower

remembering how he mentally violated 200k world bearers without much effort i think it's completely feasible he could explode the brain of all traitors forces and forcing the rebelling primarchs to fight alone

So that means no layer blade shinanegans so fulgrim wont be a down spiral (a buff i guess to the team), angron would be weaker i guess (no daemon primarch transformation) The death guard would definitely get weaker without the nurgle tanky nature buff, magnus would be fcked as there are no teez to save them, word bearers would sucks (fck erebus) cus there are no daemons to help them. Perty would need to carry them even harder, horus would be beaten by sangui, alpha legion is still an alpha legion

@@fqck1999since it was chaos that caused magnus to get screwed over, I don’t think he would be sentenced to death or crippled by Lemun Russ

​@@fqck1999 Angron would have died, as by the time him and lorgar got to ultramar it was clear his mental deterioration was almost about to kill him so without ascension he never would have made it to tera. Magnus wouldn't have gone traitor, as without tzeench magnus did not have the power to break into the web way to cause the tear, and therefore rus would not have been sent to take him in and magnus would not be split apart therefore remaining loyal. Tbh that alone would have prevented 40k entirely as the emp only had to sit on the throne becuase of the tear, and the loyalist only lost so much ground bc the emp and the custodies had to hold back the demons in the webway. If there was no war in the webway the custodies would be at full strength; the emp could personally lead; and the loyalist forces would have been much more consolidated as the emp could most likely pierce the ruin storm and contact the lion, gman, sang and the khan.

Great topic!

@@watchonjar The Khan most likely would have sided with Horus - the biggest reason the Khan sided with the Emperor was that Horus turned to Chaos. Hell, the White Scars were so sure that they would join Horus they began to plan to join him BEFORE the Khan gave the orders, and the Loyalists weren't sure where the Khan's loyalties lay until he showed up at Terra.

Let him have his wine garden he deserves it

"Plastic crack"?

You'd have cardboard crack addiction. Lol.

​@@ivarramirezpaulsen8212 miniatures lol

Dopamine induced addiction through status and pride for more. Sounds like horus.

You would play Tabletop Simulator and do 4D chess against GW that removes Warhammer 40k mods for it

Let's see. -Angron would remain traitor. - Fulgrim was possessed by a daemon so he would be done as well. Perhaps the Emperor could have banished the daemon somehow and save Fulgrim? - Magnus' soul was fractured. Without his noble shard, it would be absolutely impossible for him to repent. - Konrad is just crazy. No way he would repent or even surrender. He might have just decided to bail on Horus though, try his luck on a corner of the galaxy that hopefully the Big E wouldn't reach for a long time. - Alpharius was dead certain the Heresy was what the Big E wanted so no way he would turn back now. - Lorgar was a zealot in a crusade of his own to purge the Emperor from the galaxy, so... yeah. - Perturabo might have surrendered, being the only one with a shred of sanity amongst the traitors. Or, more likely, he would have either bailed on Horus as well, not willing to lay down his life, or chosen to go down with his legion in a glorious, terrible, awe-inspiring final stand. - Mortarion is the only one I have some doubt as to his repentance. Depends a lot on if the Emperor's forces get to him before he's completely corrupted by Nurgle. Otherwise he's done as well. tl;dr : I think none of the traitors would have chosen surrender or repentance. They were either too far gone already or too set on their path of destruction.

@@praiza1481 Didnt Fulgrim exorcise the daemon himself, quite quickly actually, most of it was just him.

@@jackvearncombe9892 No, he's still possessed all the way till Istvaan V. He was under the influence of the blade when he killed Ferrus Manus. Only then did the daemon rescind for a moment, and then Fulgrim regretted everything. His anguish was so strong that he gave up his body to the daemon, believing he would disappear by doing so.

@@praiza1481just read ‘through a mirror shattered’ part of ‘The Primarchs’ anthology. If you’ve heard major talk about when the 3rd legion did ‘cock and ball torture’ to try and save Fulgrim from possession, that’s the book he’s referring to. Spoilers: After torturing Fulgrim by many means to try and exorcise him of the demon eventually Fabius Bile, Lucius and the First Captain of the 3rd legion determine Fulgrim was not actually possessed by the demon. I think it’s supposed to be a kind of reader choose how you interpret it thing, but it basically ends up the same way regardless. He felt bad after he killed Ferrus, only reason he killed him is because the Keeper of Secrets trapped in the Layer blade ‘made’ him do it. He surrendered to the Keeper and turns his body over to its control. Immediately regrets turning his body over. In broken mirror if you follow the opinion of Lucius and what Fulgrim says, Fulgrim was able to - by will and intellect - reverse the situation with the demon, trap it in the mind prison the demon created and gain more power from it while being Fulgrim again. Fulgrim basically says he just sided with the traitors because he was dedicated to the path of Slaneesh (excess and decadence) so he was able to cope with his guilt over Ferrus over time by saying it’s just another step on the path. The point of contention is is he really in control of himself, with the demon in his mind talking to him like the layer blade did before (the blade never spoke to Lucius so it was with Fulgrim one way or another)? Or was he controlled by the demon the whole time? Either way it doesn’t REALLY matter bc he did the angel exterminatus, but it would be an interesting difference if he CHOSE to do it himself rather than the demon just doing it to get a more warp infused body. I think it makes sense at least in comparison to Magus and Mortarion bc when they fell to chaos they were formed into demon Primarchs, Fulgrim still had his regular physical body until he did an even greater (more excessive) betrayal against Perturabo for no other reason than to do it.

Also Vulkan would be free to not stand sentinel with the Talisman of Seven Hammers. Not only Big E but the Big cuddle bear himself, would easy clap up them heretic dorks.

Kurze vs Kurze 😂

You deserve 10k likes for this

The man somehow managed to do nothing, incorrectly.

Canon, because they actually did.

@@zieg0rFulgrim too

The correction should be "What would happen if the Eldar didn't suffer from stupid writing and actually approached the Emperor with talk of an alliance against Chaos as opposed to trying to slaughter their way through his Custodes to talk?"

What if: the Elder (or any other Elve in any other Setting) weren´t shoulderdeep up their own Ass

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Since we can't be 100% sure which of the twins really fell in Pluto station, nor which one really was more traitorous and which more loyal it could go multiple ways. That being said, my reading is that it was Omegon who fell to Dorn and Alpharius is the loyal one who faked his death by the hands of Guilliman. I would theorize that his return would most likely begin with activation of the Alpha legionnaires under the Imperial palace in Terra with the word "Xenophon". That would activate the Alpha as loyal to the Imperium and most likely would start a shadow crusade against Harrowmaster who has denied the twins agenda and legacy, trying to bring down the Imperium. Alpharius would likely start to bring the loyal Alpha chapters under his banner and not reveal himself to his now active brothers before proving his loyalty to the throne. It could also be a possibility that Cypher actually is the remaining twin, considering how Alpha Legion was supposed to be sort of contingency plan for the Imperium. After all Cypher knows the palace underground and has been stopped by Custodes while trying to enter the throne room with the sentence of "It's not the time yet" all while carrying the sword he's quite famous for. We do not know what the contingency plan is nor we know what is Cypher's agenda, but considering the ever growing sentiment of Emperor's possible ascension to the Godhood, it would make logical sense that being the contingency. Slay the Emperor's mortal form, so he can be elevated to Godhood after ten millenia of worship and bring upon the new era of Mankind. Of course all of that is just a web of vague possibilities born from theorizing several aspects, but hey, who knows. After all it is Alpha and nothing is simple what it comes to them.

You think Tzeench has a chance against the Primarch of common sense??????????

Alpharius was, is, and would always be Tzeench’s true champion. Their connection is just so convoluted that neither alpharius nor tzeench is aware of this.

Khan has far too much common sense to fall for any of that Bs

He refused to join the traitors because they served chaos, so why would he fall?

Tzeench does not speak Mongolian. Khan doesn't speak Weird.

Honestly both of these ideas are pretty good and would make good videos if made separately. One where the perpetuals never leav the Emperor and one where grug the shaman 40 thousand years ago pusied out at the last mila second and never commited ritual suicide. Leaving the rest of the shamans who decided to shoot there shot and hope for the best get consumed by demons. Meaning no Emperor and leaving the Perpetuals who United under him to feguir things out themselves. Case in point I bet there would be lots of fighting as they all set up there own Empires, tons of back stabbing and tones of petty squabble as they all try to devide there world amongs themself and focus on themselves.

​@@CopeSeethorntin I like this allot, comment this separately lol

@@CopeSeethorntin Wouldn't just one or a few of the Shamans not participating just result in a slightly-to-somewhat-less-powerful version of the Emperor? They just needed enough shamans in on the whole thing to make sure their collective psychic power prevents them from being consumed by the Warp, and in all likelihood as many as were able would have been there to account for possible complications.

I honestly don’t think they became “disillusioned” with him I feel they all betrayed big E out of spite and Jealousy I mean seriously all the perpetuals are written like spoilt brats with the exception of Big E,Vulkan,Maclador and Pious. Just look at Erda she is effectively to blame for the traitor Primarchs, sure big E didn’t help to make things any better but she was the one who made the crazy train leave the station, without her the mentally deranged and unstable abominations such as the likes of Angron, mortarion, Kurze etc would never have happened. And don’t even get me started on John unbearably written Grammaticus

@@michaelkean5969 Yeah your kinda right i dont completely think the Emperor wasn't completely at fault. Even though I respect the dude especially after he decided to take one for humanity and sit on the golden throne and outright denying god like powers for humanity. I do think BigE was a a egomaniac who shot himself in the foot because he wasn't willing to listen to anybody but himself which obviously led to his downfall yeah BigE is a crappy father and somewhat a crappy leaders whos "listen to me because im right or else" screwd him over. Though his 1000 times way better than the perpetuals he was far from humble. One of the pit falls of being to old to care I gues. I just feel like I need to call out people like Fo one of BigEs DAOT homies, and the other perpetuals hypocrisy a Fo went out of his way to create monster's purely for the shits and giggles because at least BigEs monster's though objectively worse they saw themselves as something more than that and held there own ideals because at least BigE didn't take pleasure in just full sail slaughtering people and genuinely wanted to build a future where mankind didn't have to rely on said Gene rought monster's to survive and was genuinely banking on the idea Mankind would be better of in the future. It doesn't mean FO wasn't some what wrong as he was genuinely spitting straight facts about the Emperor, nobody denying that fact, but what does Fo do with his monster's? I mean the only reason why the imperium went after him was because the guy was busy sending fleets to kidnap cities worth of people just so he could turn them in to living flash walls for his basement. And that's my issue with the Perpetuals as all they do is complain and call out BigE well they either do the same exact things his done or do absolutely nothing to fix the cluster fuck that is the galaxy and complain with BigE being the only guy *at least* doing something well everybody is just standing around like a bunch of NPCs not at least attempting to fix the sinking ship. If anything there just a bunch of half blind back seat drivers. But whenever you start asking them what is there plan they all just shut up and Tut of somewhere. Ollie practically did fuckall for most of human history, Erda threw the primachs in to the feet of the Chaos gods indirectly causing the Horus heresy and Fo is out here kidnapping planetary populations for no other purpose other than he just likes mutilating people. I don't think Fo was completely wrong at all but when you start leveling him down to the other perpetuals you begin to question if they even have the basis to call out the Emperor when all they do is hide in a dark Connor and complain while doing the same exact crap BigE does i be it on a smaller scale. Not atleast attempting to stop the ticking time bomb before everything goes up in flames because even though the Emperor's plan didn't work he at least slowed down the invetible and gave everybody's time to get there shit together, better than doing nothing. I'm not saying the Emperor's way was the only way as he genuinely wasn't most of the time but when you start to examine and compare him to the other Perpetuals who all they do is spit ball and hide. You begin to understand why everybody actively pretends they don't exist as they've never served any other narrative purpose that isn't just talking smack and hiding when push comes to shove

I’m not sure the Emperor would care too much. The Emperor built the Primarch’s with redundancies so one can be replaced in the event he dies. Omegon would just replace Alpharius. He was active and he was loyal. Plus they all get revived anyway. Even Ferrus Manus gets to come back

frankly it might be that, other than tzeetch, none of the other chaos gods even knew about the webway project. it was kept heavily secret for that reason especially so this totally checks out.

Or just contact Malcador. 😀

@@karituominen5112 his brain cells were very eepy that time

@@Funniblockman Or just taking a fucking vacation. 😂

Nah, do the same thing but reverse it. 10,000 years of peace and domination. Then the full might of the tyranid race finally reaches the galaxy, and all the primarchs in their old age are called to their final destination. That would be fuckin epic.

He would surrender only if Magnus asked

@@efestohorus2053 probably if magnus asked, or the emperor, bo would probably be fine with getting his legion stripped form him and him being bannend to the emperial palace making pieces of art for the empire... honnestly he would probably want to help on the webway project as it's something he can do that he knows he will be good in and that gives him time with daddy

Shit man that would take like a 100thousand dollars

Do a community vote on which primarch