Monsieur Z I was watching one of your older videos and saw a comment that someone suggested. What if MLK jr became president. like say what if he became president instead of Kennedy which would be an interesting future and lesson
Monsieur Z I’m so excited! And Dear Monsieur Z, Since I watched your new remake video, I wish the video called What if the Cold War heated up should be remake too. Because during that time South Korea has a lot of highly skilled soldier and generals. They armed with anti communism and highly experienced during the Korean War and Vietnam war. Also, they led by the fully anti-communist president Park Chung hee. Imagine that South Korea and USA strikes back against the North Korea’s provoke in DMZ.
@Zeeahan Tayyab honestly, with some jam and butter for the baguette, and either green tea or the right sweeteners, you can make that into a really good lunch/breakfast. So yes, that's actually a good combination. Who've thought it - the two nations to create the global hegemon could have actually worked well together in many ways. Oh well. No use crying over a universe in which we do not live.
Britain having the strongest navy Europe, and France having the strongest ground force in Europe, not to mention the flourishing economic potential, would make everything better.
@@EdgyBushMan His point is that Great Britain's name isn't refering to the "greatness" of the country, but is merely a geographical name given to the islands.
@@christophermichaelclarence6003 Unfortunately the union can happen without France turning into a Monarchy. According to the infamous UK-Franco supposed agreed terms when forming a union, the Sovereign of the UK will be the head of state
The space race would have been the Dawn of new age of exploration and colonization. We could see an exodus of religious and ethnic minorities like Kurdish to Venus or Mars in order crave out a Homeland much like the founders of the Plymouth colony. An interesting question is what would happen if there was a disaster that cut the Martian and Venusian colonists from Earth?
Dylan Sargesson Nationalist Spain joins the Axis in this timeline, and Portugal stays more democratic with a different leader. Portugal joins the Allies, and is devastated by the war. By the end of the war, they choose to unite with them.
I love this new remake video! XD By the way, can you please make a video on this list? 1. What if Korean Empire survived? 2. What if USA won the Vietnam War? 3. What if Goguryeo conquered China? 4. What if Axis won Battle of El Alamein? 5. What if General MacArthur launch a nuclear bombs to China? 6. What if Korea became fascist? 7. What if Germany Destroy the USSR? 8. What if USA became fascist?
You know that no. 6 kinda happend, South Korea was basically a dictatorship lead under Syngman Rhee, who didn't like democracy and wasn't better that leader of North
NothingToSee Productions he means what if Germany won in The Ussr and then the allies won. This would have some major effects like No eastern block and possibly no cold war.
Dear Monsieur Z, Since I watched your new remake video, I wish the video called What if the Cold War heated up should be remake too. Because during that time South Korea has a lot of highly skilled soldier and generals. They armed with anti communism and highly experienced during the Korean War and Vietnam war. Also, they led by the fully anti-communist president Park Chung hee. Imagine that South Korea and USA strikes back against the North Korea’s provoke in DMZ.
-What if the Pig War (1859) erupted into a third war between the US and the UK, either averting or postponing an American Civil war? -What if postwar occupied Germany became four separate countries (a north, south, east, and west Germany) with the western allied powers organizing their occupied zones themselves rather than uniting them into a single West Germany?
there would have been 6 states because the french occupation zone was merely hold together by a narrow 4km between the french border and the city of Karlsruhe - so that would already make it. And the Saarland which was a french protectorate at first would probably still acheive Independence - making it the 6th state. 5 of this 6 states would be Republics, i could imagine that the Brits re-install the house of Hannover in their occupation zone, forming a greater Kingdom of Hannover.
I think the Pig War wouldn't be a Cakewalk of Britain. But the U.S. couldn't capture Canada. I guess both Sides would just have a couple of skirmishes, maybe a Big Battle. Then, maybe a White Peace. It wouldn't lead to a long state of War, because Britain lost interest in North America, and the U.S. was to busy, on "Is Slavery immoral?"
The real history of that Franco-British Union proposal was different than you realize. I knew one of the people who was involved in the genesis of that proposal, talked with him about it before he died in 1986; and talked also in the early '80s with the two people from the State Department who started and conducted the negotiations for NATO, and who had the same motivations and trend of thought. This actual history means the trajectory of the Union, had it been formed, would have been quite different than you project. The Franco-British Union proposal was made under influence of Monnet, Streit, and the Federal Union movement in London, Paris, and NY -- this was a movement for European Union and Atlantic Union and eventual evolution into global union. If implemented in the immediate Franco-British form, Euro-Atlantic history would have evolved pretty much the same as in fact happened - a European Union and an Atlantic alliance -- but faster and more efficiently/ With the European Union becoming more of a real federation capable of acting in a serious manner in security not just economic matters, and a NATO at minimum one where burdens are more effectively shared, possibly also more of an actual federation on that level. Just the opposite of what you say (you have the US and Franco-British Union as two opposing global powers, in a cold war against each other no less). Judging from this video, you're probably unaware of the history of where that Franco-British Union proposal came from. An article by one of the major players alongside Monnet in developing that proposal, and getting it to Churchill and DeGaulle - Emanuel Monnique (sp?), explained that history in the journal of the Federal Union movement, Freedom & Union. I base myself here on that and other later articles, and on what Streit told me. If the Union had been formed, its further development would have been in the spirit in which it was formed, which would have been written into its structures - that is, the spirit of the Federal Union movement and of people like Monnet who were close to it. You understandably don't grasp that; instead you just dream up typical balance of power scenarios such as Franco-Britain vs. America. The actual reality of that era was that the Atlantic democracies were all -- US, UK, France, and the small democracies in-between and around them; all of them, not just the UK and France alone and separately -- becoming increasingly attached to one another decade after decade since the 1890s as allies and partners. They were pushed together by important dangers (totalitarian threats) and pulled together by realistic hopes (re-stabilizing democracy and the world order), which made for a popular and elite idealism alike about Euro-Atlantic unity, as an idealism that was realistic and that worked a lot better in practice than most idealisms. The Franco-British Union would have been a part of that trend and sped it up, not something separate from or against it. The trend continued anyway, just more slowly, in the absence of the Franco-British Union. Where you're right is that a united Franco-Britain would have probably more effectively resisted US decolonization pressures, probably causing the US to lay off on those pressures somewhat and become less triumphantly ideological about the matter. Communism would probably have ended faster in Europe. Post-Cold War Western foreign policy would have probably had more European realism, less American ideology and adventurism about toppling friendly regimes in the Mideast and elsewhere. It is also possible, though far from certain, that -- given that Franco-Britain would have retained some real power and attractiveness as a quasi-equal partner for the US -- the larger goal of the Federal Union movement which inspired the Franco-British Union proposal -- a larger Euro-Atlantic federation -- would have been formed, whether gradually over a period of decades or possibly rapidly in the heat of WWII and the first years of the cold war. Such a federation would have formed a nucleus that would have been sufficiently strong to consolidate the world order, something the Euro-Atlantic alliance that did emerge was at least able half-way to do. It would have also tended -- both by the inherent centripetal attraction of federal power centers, and by its own formative ideology and rules - to draw the rest of Europe into itself when liberated from totalitarianism (probably succeeding not just with Germany and Eastern Europe, as we did with our half-way Euro-Atlantic system, but also with Russia in this regard - Russia wanted to join after 1991 but the half-organized West wasn't ready to think about it seriously); and eventually, in a considerably longer run, probably draw in the rest of the world as well. That's an alternate history, but it's more than just an Alt-History. It was the plan of the time - the plan behind the Franco-British Union that was proposed and accepted by Churchill and DeGaulle, but didn't quite make it into reality but the offer came a day or two too late, Paris had already fallen and too much of the French military and cabinet was ready to surrender. And it was the plan behind the real history that occurred -- the Euro-Atlantic mixed Union and Alliance that did emerge, more slowly and incompletely, after 1945, and that aimed at the same goals and managed, despite its incompleteness, to accomplish many of them.
I think that world war 2 really strengthened the "special relationship", ohh crap a Portuguese person just died of sadness, Americans would much sooner turn on the USSR than the nationals that were clearly more aligned with their vaules. NATO would be seen as much more an alliance of equals rather than European nations budding up to America. There would be squabbles inevitable but the external threat of USSR would have kept a rift from breaking early NATO apart and after the cold war they would be too closely intertwined to truely break apart
@@seanmac1793 There is no special relationship. However the Treaty of Windsor and the Treaty of London still apply with our Portuguese allies. Viva Portugal e Inglaterra!
One problem I noticed was you said Indian regions would demand reunification with eachother but at this time they had never been unified except under the British.
Every time I hear the part about the reconstructed throne I picture two people climbing up ruined steps and then sitting on old thrones before sighing and commenting on missing the view.
I'd see ireland rejoining the UK in such a scenario. Catholic France would be attractive to 20th Century Ireland. It would ensure London has to respect Irelands Catholic culture and not treat it second to protestant Britain
I know the the UK is protestant but it isn't really. The only difference is that they don't follow the pope - but even then, many individuals still do. The only reason the UK is "protestant" is because Henry the 8th wanted to divorce his wife.
@@LS-jv9hp And there was no reason for Britain to do that. The only thing of value Ireland had to the UK in the 1950s was people. And at one stage in the mid 1950s it was estimated that 36% of Ireland's 20-30 year olds had either temporarily or permanently gone to Britain for work. Britain already had Ireland's greatest resource at it's disposal without having to govern it.
You should have actually gone back 500 years and did "What if England and France had been united in the Hundred Years War", which was a very plausible scenario. The English royal family was French by origin, as most of the Anglo-Norman nobility, and it would not be far-fetched that the English claim to the French throne, which was stronger than that of the French royal house if female line succession was allowed, would have been recognized barring England losing the war. Union after or during WWII on the other hand makes no sense whatsoever.
@@newzealandmapping537 What are you referring to? I'm refering to the breakup of Belgian from the Kingdom of the Netherlands in 1830. 15 years before that at the end of the Napoleonic wars, the Netherlands got both Austrian Netherlands and Luxemburg. But because of the policies of King Willem and this unfair distribution of taxes that were taking from the Belgian provinces and the Wallonian's being forced to read/write Dutch, the civil war began. With help of France and the Dutch army being devided Belgian became independent and was officially signed with the treaty of London (oversight by the great powers because they didn't want France to annex the Waloon region).
Being Half French and English with my family being displaced from France as Refugees whom later would live in England... This is a fever dream of a alternative history I wish were real
I know this is two years old now, but I still thought it was very interesting. I saw someone spoke about language difficulties here but I think it would take the same line as we have here (The UK) at our international railway hubs which has the English above and the French below in the UK and vice versa in France. It's not too impossible to imagine. It may have ended poorly for France and Britain though as it could cause an unholy coalition between the US and USSR as both considered themselves anti-imperialist (despite being the most actively imperialist at this time) and no matter how proud we are as nations of France and UK we would be unable to achieve victory there. Either way very interesting.
The US would never ally with the Soviet Union. It would be afraid of communist sentiments back home growing. The US would instead probably exert influence in South America and try sneak a few countries in Asia to their side. They'd remain allies of the UK and France but would keep them at a distance and less of a key partner. The UK and France would end up having a relationship with the USA akin to modern day Mexico or Argentina and Chile etc
i do have one objection with this timeline that being the Japanese falling to communism, i think it would be more likely as Japan moves from the US in order to prevent communism from taking over they would fall to Franco-Britain's sphere
Normally an alternate history means a world less funny to live in than ours. In this case, being dutch myself, it turns out rather well :-) Thanks! I enjoyed this one.
This is really great, only thing I'd nitpick about is the alignment of Norway, to this day there is a lot of love for Britain for their support during ww2 so I'd say Norway would side with Fra-UK not USA from the start.
What if?: *Vietnam was split in two by the French and a population exchange moved all Catholics to the south?* Let's even centralize them in the Mekong area south of Saigon so that they are geographically connected as a majority group.
@@joshmorton7283 What's the matter? You don't it's realistic. Is that because your a damn Syndi Red? Or a Longist southerner ? (Note I know this very un-realistic, but it would be fun if he made it)
what about the "the Confederation of North-Western Europe" involving Britton, France, Nehterlands, Belgium,-+ luxembourg- keeping their empires and become the third "superpower", making it compulsary to learn French, English, and Dutch in every school would kinda over come the language proplem, and could even incorporate Portugal, Spain. creat a government that goe into more layers, having local, regional, state (one of the countries like today, like south africa), continental, and national. or something with most countries and/or empires of europe, that would be cool.
Kinda apt i found this as your last video made to post this suggestion on then. Recently been reading how around the time of the Italian Wars; Francis I; King of France found himself surrounded by the Hapsburg Empire of Charles the V. In seeking to oppose Happsburg Dominion; Francis approached KIng Henry the VIII of England in the Field of the Cloth and Gold for an alliance against the Happsburgs; which Henry refused causing France to ally with the Ottoman Empire instead. Proposition is; what would happen if Henry accepted the alliance in the Field of the Cloth and Gold.
Then China would be destroyed by the Western Powers. Because, China was too fragile to take on the West. Plues, Chinese Warlords would support the West. (If it means that they would get there own Country afterwards.)
1. What if Italy/Germany united in much earlier date? 2. What if the Russians (Kievan Rus) was able to stop the Mongol invasions? 3. What if Austria/HRE (German Confederation) United Germany? 4. What if Aragon remained independent?
@@DaDa-ui3sw Not in this scenario, but in general from our history. After the fall of Charlmagne, it might've been possible for East Frankia to consolidate itself without losing power to the local nobles if they had a more competent king. Italy was united some times by the German tribes in the migration era. These could've stayed in power like in France and may've formed more German influenced, but and Italy united earlier.
The idea of the French Republic joining up with Britain is like having a Cat and Dog hybrid. Unnatural. Question, what would it look like if Richard the Lionheart did not get killed, and was able to conquer France?
For some reason want(ed) this to happen and it did sometimes,Normandy and Gascony being owned by England and when William The Conquer occupied a lot of the British isles. I like the idea because a British-Franco country would be beneficial for both countries (there would be a language barrier but Canada is a example for how is could work in the real world.) even though I’m British ,France ruling the UK is not bad for a great goal. This will never happen but it just a thought
what if the Taiping Rebellion pushed northward and captured all of China, creating a christian theocratic-Asiatic state? remake the fascist/ communist country scenarios or a what if U.S collapsed scenario again Keep those videos coming!
The Taiping rebellion is never Christian anyway... The rebellion's ideology and religion is far from either Protestant or Roman Catholic, even Eastern Orthodox. It is something of its own. Still, it is still a good topic to fabricate
I know, it was kind of its own entity considering the leader of the movement was a nutjob who thought he was the next jesus and the state was akin to a dictatorship rather than a noble christian theocracy
Actually what really happened in this timeline was America becomes an imperial republic after invading Canada and Mexico. Later Retaking Cuba and later Central America 😮!
@Monsieur Z Imagine if in the colonial area the Iroquois and Ottowa nations succeeded in allying themselves together and turning against New France, kicking the french out of America! In actual history, this almost happened and would have changed everything from the fur trade economics, and the Iroquois increased power in the region, as well as possible prolonged resistance against english expansion. Not the mention the confederacy's enemies! I seriously believe this would a great topic to cover , and I hope @Monsieur Z that you or some other history channel will cover this. Inspirations come from the book titled "Exiled In the Land Of The Free: Democracy, Indian Nations, And The U.S. Constitution"
Decolonization would still have happened but the Union would have still been able maintain its grip on former colonies the same way France does in OTL by having dictatorial but loyal regimes in former colonies which would use a Union based currency, give preferential treatment to companies from the Union and militarily allying themselves with the Union. The Union would in turn provide the dictators political security by their military and help them in crushing any rebellion which might have arise in their borders. The major exception would be India as would be simply too big for the Union to hold on to. Otherwise, most of African colonies would remain intact. Also, you are forgetting that following ww2 there was a great desire for political unification in Europe. In England this desire died down With the fading memories of horrors of ww2 but remained alive in most other countries and manifested itself in the European Union and the Euro area. With the precedent of a successful Union between two countries, most other European countries would have followed and joined the Union. With this Union, we would be seeing a federal European superpower right now.
@@Godzillafan2018 the french are far more nationalistic to accept being ruled over by London tho (the union was refused for that very reason) And you need to understand the modern day french are more nationalistic than even the french of 1939
What if the british imperial federation. And commonwealth of nation's after ww1. What If france did the same with its major more French populated as imperial federation. And it's more diverse Colonies a French commonwealth of nations. After ww2.
Even if this happens the British raj and French indo china would just leave it would be immposible to stop them. About africa if the new union wont give more rights to the africans making them equal and try to have civic nationalism with them. And would Quebec become a french domain or a full part of france.
You know Siam would’ve pretty much immediately have been colonised. So there could’ve been a super raj with it extending from Pakistan to Vietnam and Singapore.
What if the Boxer Rebellion in China in 1900 was successful? What if Yuan Shikai's new Chinese empire in 1912 was successful? What if Sun Yat Sen kept China unified after the Xinhai Revolution? What if the 1857 mutiny in British India was successful? What if Fascist Italy was stronger and better led? What if Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch was successful? What if Douglas MacArthur became US President? What if the Brazilian Empire survived? What if Imperial Russia won the Crimean War? What if Tsar Paul I of Russia invaded India in 1801? What if Queen Victoria was assassinated? What if Tsar Alexander II of Russia was not assassinated? What if the Soviet Union launched "Seven Days to the River Rhine" in 1979? What if Kerensky remained the leader of Russia? What if the Aztec Empire survived? What if World War One broke out early? What if the Fashoda Crisis of 1898 led to an Anglo-French War?
If India had not been given full independence as it was promised by the British Government , it would have literally lost its shit. No amount of Franco-British unity is going to stop 400 million angry people. The Hindu-Muslim divide was created over a separate state for Muslims. But with no independence for either Hindus or Muslims coming , well...................
I think a more interesting idea for how they could unite is if Mary Queen of Scots marriage with Francis of France resulted in a Franco-Scottish Union, which would then incorporate England and Ireland with the death of Elizabeth I.
Attempt 3: What if Isabella of Castille didn't choose Ferdinand of Aragon as her husband, instead choosing either Alfonso XII of Portugal or Charles of Valois?
I didn't know that France considered the union with Britain after the war Also in this timeline Canada sever ties with the Franco British Union to become pro US!? As a proud and loyal Canadian subject of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth who also loves France and despises the US that's my worst fear come true
@@zyairjames6758 Their arrogance. They think they rule the world and can intervene anywhere with Wilsonian Interventionism. Also my Mennonite ancestors were persecuted and nearly hung by the Americans after the Revolution.
The French government did not flee to Britain. It remained in France, negotiated an armistice and continued in power from Vichy over unoccupied France and the French Empire. It remained recognised as the legal government by the USA right up to Operation Torch. A rogue Minister for War fled to Britain and set up a rival government.
@Martin Casinillo yeah I know, I meant it like hopefully without the added territory America never becomes a great power on the same scale on the long run
