WHAT IF Tywin Lannister recognized Arya Stark at Harrenhal during Season 2 of Game of Thrones? What would've changed in Game of Thrones and how would that affect him all the way up to Season 8? FIND OUT HERE!
the marriages go through. meaning Jaime and Elia, Cersei and Oberyn, Rhaegar and probably Ashara, brandon and Catelyn, robert and lyanna assuming theres no war still. if there is then Lannisters would be pretty invested on the side of the royalists
@god emperor of mankind Rhaegar would have married Cersei, meaning that lyanna never would have abandoned Bobby b, meaning his rebellion never would have happened
Tywin would never give Arya to the boltons. It would threaten the Lannester's claim on the north through Sansa and Tyrion. Tywin would need to keep both sisters firmly in grasp so their is a very high chance she would be married off to one from his house. At the very best she would married off to Tommen.
What if Ned didn't give in and right before they beheaded him he yelled out that Jeffrey was a bastard of cerci and the kingslayer, he was going to die either way so he keeps his honor this way, every thing could happen the same I guess
@@ilbhaley79 I dunno I mean it's not like Roose was visiting Winterfell every year I don't think he would of seen her since she was a baby it at all really. He should of picked up on that she was a northerner (maybe he did I can't remember it's been a while since I read the books). Tywin and Arya was a much better pair up though.
@bw 1506 I think it was because of Jaqen H'gar or that Roose creeped her out but I can't be sure it's been a while since I read the books and after season 8 I don't really care to lol
ive always wondered that... Maybe someone else got to a few of those ned spoke to, before ned does and those people "move away to essos" 😉😉.... would Robert have still passed the crown (in holding) to Ned and would the Lannisters, cersei in particular, have allowed it? Or could that have kicked off the WOT5K? Seen as stannis was already gunning for the lannisters (oh wait, would he still have declared war if no one knew joff was a bastard?) *SO MANY QUESTIONS* 🤔
I have to disagree on a few points, I don’t believe Tywin would take Arya back to King’s Landing, he’s not the type of man to put all of his eggs in one basket and Sansa is already there. I believe Arya would be sent to Casterly Rock and held captive by Keven with the intension of her being married off to either Tommen or a Lannister at some stage. Tyrion maybe, or Lancel, or even one of the twins. This inadvertently protects her from Joffrey through share tactics. Arya being bethrothed/married to Lancel would be interesting as it might prevent the High Sparrow from sinking his claws into Lancel, and completely stop that entire plot. I think Keven would treat Arya kindly enough, which would prevent her from killing herself, and Hot Pie might even manage to join the group going to Casterly Rock, maybe giving her one friend. The girl still owes three names, assume she used the first one, but the situations to use the other two never happened, I see her eventually choosing Cersei and Joffrey - this completely changes the story.
Robb never wanted to be King of the 7 Kingdoms just the North. Margery would never just settle for Queen of the North She wanted to be Queen of the 7 Kingdoms. Remember she didn't want to be a Queen, she wanted to be THE QUEEN. Robb would never leave the North and Margery would never move there. It just wouldnt work. If she was smart Olenya would have sought out Dany and tried to marry Loras to her. That would have been the ally Dany needed to cross the over to Westros.
She would have been killed after the battle by the Boltons or she would have fled to the wall and Jon would have protected Selyse and Shireen. Ramsey may have attacked the wall or sent 20 men to sneak in at night.
What if jon didn't kill daenerys What if the assassin killed Catelyn and Bran What if daenerys stayed in essos What if tywin was captured instead of jamie What if rhaella lived What if brandon stark didn't die
oh hell. If I caught Tywin id kill him on the spot, or Jaime, they are way to dangerous and cunning to be bargained away or let go....... no siree i do not fancy a dagger in the neck one day, or a bolt to the heart while enjoying a number 2 😉
The assassin one is a very intriguing one. Surely if the catspaw was succesful, no one would ever know it was the Lannisters/Baelish behind it. Ned would obviously go back north, in turn probably never uncovering Joffreys real parentage.... other than those couple of ideas i honestly cant think of much else that would change (other than Lorences horse still having a head)
Arya would be given to Tommen. When of age, sent to Casterly Rock to assume the continuation of the line. Tywin liked her and saw her potential leadership skills.
And I don't disagree that this could be the plan, but I don't think Arya would ever actually go. Kind of like when she had the choice to be with Gendry, she just couldn't stay "caged"
@@TheBattProductions To be fair I doubt it would be as cage as Tommen was a timid dude. Who Araya could easily 100% dominate to an absurd degree. Likely without him even realizing that it was going on even. Anyway your stuffs great subscribed.
Kills Cersi as she burns down kings landing to keep the nights King away. After killing her, the Night King and 7 of his white walker royal guards walk in, extinguishing the wildfire, and butchering Jamie and then raising him and Cersi back to life to live forever as his undead slaves.
Honestly, I thought his end was what his character would have wanted. He even stated it bluntly before. He wanted to die in Cersei's arms. A youtuber phrased it best, we spent so much time thinking of what we wanted to happen to Jamie, we forgot what he wanted.
There is a fanfic "A Wolf Amongst Lions" by Kallypso that explores this idea. It's a pretty fun read. It was just recently completed, with 108 chapters.
I aways thought that Tywin saw a logical and cunning degree of ruthlessness that was not present in any of his children. As such he would want to close Arya in the Lannister fold by wedding Arya to his heir of Casterly Rock Tommen Baratheon. Or some other Lannister if the purple wedding still occurs. Barring that Arya could be offered to the Tyrells over Sansa because she is of a great house, but not the heir to Winterfell.
Fair -- trying to wed her to Tommen would be a great idea. Admittedly, I don't think she'd ever end up being married to anyone anyway since Arya isn't the type to just accept that I think and couldn't handle Joff's torture for long.
@@HB-ey2dk With Jaimie in the King's Guard, Tyrion being refused, and Joffrey being king, Tommen is Tywin's next male heir. Then again, he could also be considerred the heir to Storm's End, which would seem more logical as a "Baratheon". Kevan and later Lancel could lay claim to Casterly Rock instead. (After Tommen becomes king, and Tywin dies, the point becomes moot)
@@leomorissette7753 Depends... If it was before Jon joins the Night's Watch, he's dead for sure. After, not much he could do... Night's Watch is out of the reach of even the king. Robert knew Aemon was the maester in the Night's Watch and that he was a Targaryen, and he couldn't do anything about it.
They were both cubs 😂 Arya was like 2 years older than Tommen And much like Margaery, she would control the relationship, although Cersei wouldn’t be happy. I think Arya would have opened his eyes a bit. Maybe Arya would kill Joffrey before the Tyrell’s even do, and that would get her killed.
Stannis still shadow baby kills him. He takes the Throne by right but Ned is Alive and will Knell to him this Time NEDD FUCKING UMBER WOULDNT INFLUENCE ROB TO SECEDE. Rob and the North will have Jaime but Tywin no leverage against the crown/north besides the Tyrell’s decision to join Stannis or not after he kills his brother. The wildcard is little-finger and the Tyrells and if the offer to marry into the lannisters is the best question but Stannis could use the leaches against Joffrey or Tywin using Kings blood. Stannis hopefully would not kill Ned as he needs allies, ALLY with DORNE and with Jamies son captive Tywin would sue for peace. The northern threat would be taken more seriously but lastly....*DANNY/TYRION/VARYS* The red woman would eventually convince Stannis they need her for the WW but Tyrion is that missing peace really. Hopefully Danny doesn’t die in Meereen SOTH style then no dragons for the war just wild animals then game over but if so, and no Varys Tyrion then....EURON will help Danny and she will probably kill him after she beats Stannis. A pact must be needed somehow but STANNIS AND DANNY WILL BE a tougher battle but eventually I think Danny will Win. Keep Ned alive and force the North (EVERYONE) to join her against the threat. Tywin would then ask for Jaime or even Tyrion (if captive also) to marry her but we know she’ll do to Jaimie. Arrya has no journey but if Ned/RedW/Stannis/Danny have her trained by fate then maybe she can kill him Bran will go north by fate regardless somehow. And Jon...dead unless Thoros could revive him.
@Blake Hunt No, I meant when Stannis attacked King's Landing and got blown up with Wildfire. In the show Cersei thought that Stannis would win and prepared poison for her and her children to drink rather than be taken captive.
What if Danerys was pregnant with Jon's baby she had a baby bump and everything, and she still destroyed Kings Landing would this change Jon's mind into killing her? how would this play out?
Why do you think Arya commit suicide? She's too strong to just give up like that. She's most likely to be killed after she tries to kill Joffery or Cersei.
krishna murthy I think so too... unless she was being tortured by Joffrey or especially Ramsay... if she was married off to Ramsay, killing her self was a possibility.
Good to see you again, man. Anytime I hear kibosh in a vid, I have leave a like. Suggestion, What if Barriston (RIP) was around for the conclusion of season 8? What would his reaction be to finding out about Jon?
Nah the human race is fine, our expectations just don't get subverted and Jon kills the night king. You know, that guy who's been groomed this entire time to do it.
Well that's if you affect the writing but it seems Arya was one of the only people that could've killed the NK -- her faceless person training could've been what made the difference to sneak up on the NK (sort of)
TheBattProductions It’s just hard to believe that Tywin was so stupid. He knew Arya was missing. He had to have known or suspected a semi-high born girl who lied about her house and who can read. He probably didn’t know; I just found it hard to believe.
I was always sure that Tywin recognized Arya when he got to King's Landing and found out Arya Stark had escaped, that's why he was so angry. Tyrion did not find out she had escaped until Cersei told him when he arrived in King's Landing to be Hand. He had figured out most of her secrets, that she was a girl, that she was a Northerner, that she had been taught to read.
Ultimately it ended up being unimportant anyway, so probably everything's the exact same, except he never recoils from Daenerys. The end would probably remain similar because if nothing else, Jon's not about to let her raze the entire world.
@@aranelangel Daenerys would not feel threatened by him. And Varys may not have turned on her, if he never found out. That might be enough for Daenerys to not be so fed up with Westeros that she starts intentionally burning civilians.
Izuela agreed! If Jon never knew of his parentage, he would have never rejected Dany and he would have been her saving grace, her last protector from her worst inclinations!
Lol there really was not much of a point of the coolest twists of one of the coolest character...man they did my boy wrong....I mean they did EVERY CHARACTER wrong.. except theon. Theon had the really only good full arc
Alana Wrisley I totally agree with you! Theon had the best fulfilling story arcs! Sam’s was nice for his character, but Season 8 was terribly rushed and kept it from being fulfilling!
It would be interesting if both died. The mountain was already on death's door when he got zombified, so it would be possible for Gregor to simply expire
@@TheBattProductions I feel she would kill or try to kill Tommen and flee. If caught would be executed though. I don't picture Arya to be someone who'll commit suicide
Its still unrealistic how he didn't recognize her in the first place...he knew Arya Stark was missing due to being in contact with Kings Landing (Tyrion to be more specific) and yet he comes across a high born girl posing as a peasant in the riverlands and yet he doesn't connect the dots.
Tyrion was in contact with Tywin when he was hand of the king. Tywin wanted to be informed about what was happening in the capital that's one of the reasons why he told Tyrion to fill in for him as hand of the King.
Don’t forget that Arya got the jitters when Littlefinger visited Tywin about his proposal to join forces with the Tyrells at Harrenhal. Baelish almost recognized her.
I think it's fair to say he should've been more suspicious. I'd have to imagine he knew she was missing and it would've seemed odd that he didn't question her just a little bit more. Good point.
What if Robb Stark hired The Golden Company, the 20 thousand men and war elephants during the war of the 5 kings? Would it be enough or helpful to change the tides?
Blue Mermaid It did though, it’s the main reason why he went to walder frey for help as he needed more men to take casterly rock due to the karstark men abandoning him.
mijan hoque well... Rob’s downfall was him not listening to his seasoned advisors! If he did, he would have kept Lord Karstark alive and retained his army. Then he wouldn’t have needed the Frey army. If he had married the Frey girl, then his first mistake of killing Karstark would have at least been remedied! So it really wasn’t the size of his army that lead to his downfall! His decisions were!
Blue Mermaid Well yeah it was his decisions which contributed to the gain and loss of troops he had. If he hadn’t made a ton of mistakes he would have kept the karstark and Frey men but due to his decisions he lost both. Anyway my question wasn’t to do with any of that, it was what if he hired the golden company and managed to get them to westeros right after the lannister&tyrell alliance or after the battle of Oxcross. The Northmen & Golden Company plus war elephants is an awesome combo.
I disagree with your opinion about Jaqen H'ghar. While I don't think he would have followed Arya out of concern, I do think that he would have followed her and Tywin to Kingslanding in order to find out which final life she wants to give to the Red God. He believes that the Red God is entitled to a life and that Arya has to be the one to choose. His beliefs aren't just something that would be thrown away so easily
Whys that? because if that was the case, then he would have probably agreed to let Tyrion go live at the Rock. he goes down either way because Oberyn would poison him and Cersei would still have fucked up King's Landing
Personally, I’d think Tywin would send Arya to Casterly Rock rather than just keep her in his army. He’d never bring her to King’s Landing due to how batshit crazy Joffrey was and how much he hated her. Joffrey would have had her killed. I could also see the marriage proposal to Sweet Robin.
Tywin Lannister would be there with Arya and so, Tywin Will Not let Joffrey do anything like that to her and Tywin will have no problem telling Joffrey No even if he is the King. Tywin is the true power behind the throne until his death.
Late to this video but I can't agree Jaqen would've abandoned her remembering how dangerous the kill of Amory Lorch was. You can argue show Jaqen may be somewhat less committed than in the books but assuming Tywin jails her I'm sure he would contact her and release her as she did him or at least kill a guard. At this point she'd be focused on Tywin so for her 2nd or 3rd kill she'd probably do the right thing & name Tywin. Actually I'm not sure this would change much as Kevan seems a competent enough commander & once Blackwater Bay happens I think the game is up for the North taking King's landing regardless of what then happens at The Twins.
Honestly, I agree with him not wanting to take her back to king's landing. He wouldn't want to risk Joffery doing something stupid. Knowing that idiot, he'd execute or torture her for that standoff back in early season 1 where she held him at sword point. Tywin is too smart to just allow him to do that. Doing so would pretty much Garuntee Jaime's death. Rob would not, under any circumstances, tolerate the execution or torture of his sister. Yes, Sansa was tortured in a way, but I fully believe Arya's torture at Joffery's hands would be the brutal bloody kind, not the mainly psychological kind. The kind Arya gets from Joffery would garuntee that Tywin see's Jaime's head on the tip of a spear. He would not risk putting another Stark in Joffery's hands. Especially not one the marriage-pact wouldn't keep him from harming in a permanent way. He already knows Circe can't control Joffery, and adding Arya to Tyrion's plate would complicate things too much and he knows this. Tyrion could not protect both Sansa and Arya and Tywin would never trust that he could even if Joffery was not a factor. One side thing tho, if Arya had a name left, Jakken may at least kill Tywin for her. That or she could again blackmail him like she did in the show by giving him his own name. Whether or not Jakken would aave her would depend entirely on if she had a name left to give. And if she couldn't successfully blackmail him, Arya is loyal enough to her family ahe would probably give him her name. Have him take her out so she couldn't be used against Rob.
I don't think it would end like this, I think the Hound would make the same offer to Arya as he did for Sansa to take her when he leaves kings landing to Rob and she will agree
I beg to differ, Arya is very beautiful in all 8 seasons except for season 7 actually, that was a rough spot I don’t think Joffrey would mutilate her in that way, but he would likely either lash out and stab her or gave her punished by Ser Meryn Trant - erlgh disgusting, she would have been in the same place as him, you saw how captivated he was by her in season 6, imagine how he felt when she was way younger! He might have even asked to marry her himself 🤢 And her marrying Ramsay is beyond horrible too, I don’t know what she she started bleeding so it’s hard to know how old she would be when they married her off, but she could have been as young as 12 or 13 🤮 And oh my God... I just realised that it’s likely Shireen would have married Bran... and Rickon would have likely survived this scenario.
Not a good character, annoying character. Shouldn’t have anything to do with the Night King. It’s terrible writing to set it up with Jon for so long and take away that payoff. Chekhov’s Gun was left on the shelf this time
Never Happened? -What if Khal Drogo Had Lived? These are probably irrelevant to some but i really want to be able to picture how much things would've changed. EDIT: What if Sansa had married Joffrey and had his baby?
i think he pulls a jeffrey epstein and marries arya and has lionwolf babies...hes tired of constantly trying to convince jaime to be a normal person and inherit casterly rock. he knows his grandkids are all born of incest and he resents that so screw them and cersei. tyrion...well, you know. instead he kills the remaining starks so arya becomes heir of winterfell. his son then becomes king and lord of winterfell. tywin doesnt know or would believe anything about the night king. so everybody still dies.
I call BS. Jon SHOULD have been the one to kill the night king. If other things changed without here, then there’s no reason the killer of the night king could change too.
Yeah Tywin figured out she was northern and high born and he knows Arya Stark is missing (and Harrenhall is between king’s landing and Winterfell). But if the show had him recognize her it would have been a big departure from the books (where Tywin and Arya never met).
I absolutely do not think she would kill herself solely based on how much she took the what do we say to the god of death thing from syrio so early on, someone else would have to kill her she would not do it herself I just can’t see it
1) What if Jon comes south with Ned, Sansa & Arya...witnesses the Arya vs Joffrey "duel" and both he & Sansa report their stories honestly? 2) What if Joffrey dies during the Battle of Blackwater Bay? 3) What if Jon Arryn knows who murdered him & the truth Cersei's children and, before he dies, he manages to get a letter off to Ned Stark knowing the King would go to him to become the next Hand?
What if : cersei accepts Robb's peace offer Balon allied with Robb Lysa allied with Robb Joffrey was good Ramsey was good Robb was betrothed to myrcella
I think he would definitely imprison her but he would imprison her in a very comfortable room in Casterly rock where she is well fed, taken care of, but also useful as a bargaining chip, and if she is never traded to Rob for any reason he would eventually marry her off to whoever would bring his house the most wealth/power. I do not think he would be rough with or abuse her. He doesn’t have to as just holding her is a threat enough. He is not a sadist like Joffrey.
I agree. Like Tyrion protected Sansa from Joffrey I think Tyrion would protect Arya from Joffrey. Tywin seems to like Arya better then his own kids. I could see Tywin even occasionally meeting with an imprisoned Arya to pick her brain about how to deal with troublesome northerners
Also, what if they gave Dany literally any reason whatsoever to go crazy? Like, seriously, anything. You can even do a scenario where she has no beer and no tv
What's about Gendry? He would probably stay at Harrenhal. Melisandre curse-> didn't happen Meeting with Jon-> didn't happen Sending Daenerys S.O.S craw-> didn't happen
So basically... [With this character's capture, the thread of prophecy is severed. Restore a saved game to restore the weave of fate, or persist in the doomed world you have created.] Quicksave New Save Load
Here's an idea. What if D&D didn't rush the story and how things could/should have been fleshed out to make the bullet points of the final season make sense.
Here's an idea. What if D&D didn't rush the story and how things could/should have been fleshed out to make the bullet points of the final season make sense.
Jaqen H’ghar is not a cheap assassin - I think he was being sent with that pack up to the Night’s Watch probably to kill Ned (when the plan was to send him to the Wall) on the way or at some point. Once he pays Arya/Lord of Life back for the saved lives (which was solely incidental) he heads off on his next mission at the Citadel.
