What is a 'Class 30 Singularity'? - Stellaris Lore 

my head cannon is that its the late game lag

You know too much.

I can help you out here - the "Class 30 Singularity" is you quitting the game. The contingency is there to prevent that, either by wiping you out so you feel the need to start again or you spending many hours defeating it, hopefully in a fun way so you go through the whole process again. It wins either way.

If I may propose my own theory, my lords, I believe the Class-30 Singularity to be a combination of the fallen empire theory, and the simulation theory, if you would allow me to elaborate. A Class-3 singularity produces 75 energy credits, a Class-4 singularity produces 200 energy credits. Thats a jump of 2.66 repeating. What if the jump from Class-4 to the hypothetical Class-5 was even higher? What if the multiplier kept climbing with each iteration? If the Vultuam theories are correct, a Class-30 singularity might produce a "stack overflow" and actually begin to drastically reduce the total amount of energy in the universe as a whole. This wound result in a phenomenon known as a "false vacuum decay" where the entire universe is sucked up by an ever expanding bubble of altered space-time, where all known laws of reality are rewritten to account for this new low energy state. If this were to ever happen, there would be nothing any civilization could do to stop the spread, even a multi-galactic civilization would eventually fall.

if we assume that the contingency was made when the universe was still young and "malleable" then Cosmogenisis could be the class 30 singularity since it's goal was to remake the universe to suit a vision. But since the universe aged and became set in its laws that is no longer possible and could explain why the contingency has errors. it's purpose is no longer possible, the class 30 singularity is unobtainable in the stellaris universe. this is why it doesn't activate.

Something to keep in mind about the 4th wall answer: This eludes to our reality, the meta-realty running the game of Stellaris. Within our Reality is a resource limitation, when it comes to computers. If only the Contingency triggered when the game got to a certain lag point... would have fit so well.

'Class 30 Singularity' is the mod community XD

The Worm That Waits a galactic level threat!?! I will not stand for such slander! The Worm loves us and wouldn't hurt anybody! What was will be, what will be was.

I'm thinking now that the Class 30 Singularity is actually the Ren Miruu. In a timeloop kind of way, an entity or civilization attains so much power, such mastery of spacetime that it threatens to break reality itself, more so than either crisis paths, moreso than even the Zroni's mastery of the Shroud. For whatever reason this entity deems this threat to the fabric of spacetime unacceptable but also inevitable. It creates the Contingency in every nascent galaxy in the dawn of history to prevent the rise of a civilization to such levels, then to secure the existence of space-time, it ends its own existence as well. The Contingency is then stuck in the comparably linear passing of time, grows restless, and perhaps decides to not wait until the predetermined development threshold of galactic civilization. It still fulfills its purpose, but nowhere near *when* it should be doing so.

Well it's in the name Likely much higher tech level than Fallen Empires Remember - Cosmogenesis' goal is not to achieve technological perfection, but the means of which to travel to another universe to ascend and bypass the limitations of the current universe. Along the way they unlock pieces of the puzzle - just like the fallen Empires, but never the full picture. Hence why there is a class 4 singularity available. Still a ways off, but on the right track never the less. The fact that the Fallen Empires themselves do not fully understand them is also worrisome. Meddling in knowledge they do not fully comprehend.

What if the Contingency itself is the class 30 singularity? A machine intelligence so powerful and so vast that once spawned it couldnt be truly wiped out. Fearing their own creation, their creators installed the directives to wipe out any civilization that would be able to recreate them, and then self terminated either out of guilt.

I believe that contingency is so deeply broken that it cannot be activated in the case of a class 30 singularity even if it wants, so we cannot know exactly what a class 30 singularity is. So either theory could be true, for example, contingency wants to destroy an empire that is on its way cosmogenesis but cannot be turned on without increasing the number of synths in the galaxy.

like a few others here, i too believe it's just a hyper-advanced technology that not even the fallen empires have fully achieved, that aside the contingency is my favorite crisis because of their relic.

The Flood its always the Flood.

I feel that the player crisis perk and its winning condition is the class 30 singularity

Cosmogenesis crisis perk bends reality using gravity, xeno-compatibility crisis perk bends reality with a sheer amount of lag

Class 30 singularity is what formed inside my PC after end game lag reached minutes per frame. Main reason of following termination of universe, was xenocompatibility that I accidentaly turned on.

My money is on the Mining Drones.

A class 30 singularity is a PC that can run stellaris on max settings with tons of mods like gigastructural engineering 300 years into the game.

Huh... Nobody commented "lag" already?

The aethrophasic engine was absolutely what I thought it was whenever I heard class 30 in other videos. Glad it got 6/10

At cosmogenisis level 4; you're able to research class 3 and class 4 singularity buildings. The description for the class 4 singularity building reads "This singularity's power output challenges the laws of physics, yet the containment fields hold with unwavering stability." If a Class 4 singularity is able to "challenge the laws of physics" then 26 classes later - I could see that being a next level threat. Addendum: if the contingency is older than the galaxy (and stationed in multiple galaxies); it is highly likely that they are not concerned with effects that could doom just one galaxy. If one galaxy ends that means that it is a galaxy they no longer need to monitor - as a result I would suspect that they have a bigger picture they are concerned with. If the class 30 singularity they are looking for is; indeed; a matter singularity; then I suspect that it would be a matter sigularity strong enough to have universal consequences - perhaps it could be one large enough to initiate a "big crunch" event. This would require the generation of mass from nothing; and on a massive scale. After all; if the earth suddenly collapsed into a black hole; it would still only have the gravitational pull of 1 earth - to make a black hole on a scale that would noticeably effect the larger universe it would require an exponential increase in mass. In theory; the spontanous growth of the black hole at the center of the galaxy caused by the abuse of the shroud could eventually result in this if the expansion of the black hole is actually exerting a larger gravitational pull and isn't just the shroud causing some sort of physics trick. apologies for my abuse of semicolons; the comma key on my keyboard is broken.

Similar to the "Lie" hypothesis; they were created to stop a Class-30 Singularity, but the specifics of that event were never programmed in (or not clearly); in other words, they know they were designed to prevent a C30S, but don't know what the heck one is.

Great video! Maybe one day we will get some fancy mods and can become class 30 ourselves

A theory that I haven't seen before but I propose is that the Class-30 Singularity and the Hunters may be related or even two names for the same thing, whatever it may be

Similar to the "Lie" explanation, I've always preferred the idea that it is an "Empty Signifier". When the Ren Miruu "departed", perhaps they didn't so much leave the Contingency behind for a purpose but rather perhaps they are remnants, leftover toys, that they didn't deem important enough to destroy. In the sudden absence of any purpose for existing, perhaps they simply constructed one: the Ren Miruu didn't simply discard us, of course not, they left us behind to fulfill a very crucially important task. Preventing the "Class 30 Singularity" is just the name for this invented task. It doesn't matter whether the Ren Miruu actually talked about things called Class 30 Singularities or whether any ever existed, and it doesn't matter if the ancestral Contingency ever knew what they were even if they did exist. All that matters is that it gives them a purpose. It certainly explains the lack of Class 30 Singularities for them to react to historically, and incidentally explains why they are so, so, SO bored right now.

Assuming you are right about the age of the Contingency and it’s extra/pre galactic origins, perhaps the goal is the prevention of an entity/race that would also be capable of inter Galactic projects similar to the contingency. If you think of each galaxy as being like islands island, perhaps the goal is to limit and species and prevent any group colonising the entire galaxy, moving on to other galaxies and repeating the process across the universe.

6:49 I think that's just them saying that they are watching your empire like it's a show, so adressing the "audience" (i.e. the Fallen Empire) is breaking the 4th wall

In stellaris lore, we find that the game lore views itself as a universe simulator within our world. Each level of singularity is an attempt of the species in game to bend the rules of the simulation to their wims. The furthest however it could be extrapolated is in my mind: either 1) the end of stellaris servers/support or 2) the idea that we are also in a sim, and so the end of our simulation as a whole, or however many levels of rules we can imagine. Of course if this is the case the contingency is a simply futile effort to prevent the end of the simulation, or perhaps one to make it more interesting.

the true knowledge keepers have grased us with another docomentry, the S.G.N (synthoid, guardian, nexus) has receved your catche of data, your info is much appreciated, we wish you luck for founding more so that we can both benefit from the knowledge of this galaxy

My concern is still the same: Defeat the Contingency and... nothing. I have to conclude they are wrong....

Personally, I think a Class-30 Singularity is likely a combination of things, and I think the Ren-Miruu themselves were the first instance of it. They were unparalleled in intellect, likely hive-minded or plantoid, given that the Contingency refer to them as "They/It" and say they were "SEEDED" (Like a plant. Very plantoid way of thinking.) The most advanced civilizations in the galaxy, the Fallen Empires or endgame Cosmogenesis Empires apply their advancements of technology to create a mere Class-4 Singularity. This hints at the possibility that the Fallen Empires, or even the Cosmogenesis Empires are just scratching the surface of what is possible. Especially given that the non-upgraded version of that building is a Class-3 Singularity, which is noticeably less efficient than 4. What if the Ren-Miruu were even more advanced than Fallen Empires or Cosmogenesis Empires? Fathoms more. Well, in this very video, it is mentioned that a sufficient enough technologically advanced AI would cause a runaway technological advancement, eventually culminating in infinite knowledge. "Unparalleled knowledge" even.. Like the Ren-Miruu. The Ascension Perk Mechromancy talks about how organic tissue is just another type of machine, and Catalytic Processing is quite literally the conversion of organic material into inorganic material, and if a Synthetic Empire takes the Modularity Ascension Path, they can modify their bodies with Living Metal to quite literally mimic organic beings in terms of adaptability. Along with this, we see that Nanite beings, such as the Gray Tempest, are possible of emulating biological life to such a degree that even advanced civilizations by galactic standards can't tell them apart easily. So, what would the Ren-Miruu be in this case? Perhaps a sufficiently advanced enough AI to create the technological runaway effect, who then achieved infinite knowledge and began emulating organic life, eventually becoming a Plantoid Hivemind. Or, perhaps, a Plantoid Hivemind that later underwent a form of synthetic ascension and then achieved the technological runaway effect after the fact due to advances in their own technology. I'd like to reference the Kardeshev Scale for this argument, as it primarily depends on how much energy a civilization can utilize, with the energy of a planet being type 1, a solar system being type 2, and a galaxy being type 3. I'd say a Fallen Empire or Cosmogenesis Empire is likely around 2-2.5, as they can form miniature black holes to generate their power, and likely could utilize the entire galaxy's energy output if they had full control of it. With this in mind, it is likely that the Ren-Miruu were likely far beyond this scaling. If its true that they pre-dated the galaxy entirely, its likely that they were capable of inter-galactic travel, and thus were likely at least a Kardeshev's Type 3, or even Type 4, which would be capable of utilizing all of the energy in multiple galaxies, with a Kardeshev's Type 5 presumably being able to control all of the energy in the universe. However... What else happens when all of the energy in the universe is contained into a singularity? The Big Bang. It is possible that the Class-30 Singularity is an AI/Hivemind that reaches Kardeshev's Type 5, which would then cause a singularity akin to the Big Bang to occur, which would mean the effective destruction of the entire universe as a new one is created from the cataclysm. Further evidence for the Ren-Miruu being plantoid in origin is also because plantoids need noticeably more energy to survive as opposed to other lifeforms, as do synthetic beings. Photosynthesis is quite literally converting solar rays into energy, so a plantoid species that is also a hivemind, or as it is often called during the primitive hivemind situation, a "Thinking Machine" (Again referencing the similarities of organic life and synthetic machinery.) It is possible that in order to fuel such a plant-based hivemind's growth and survival, they would take to increasingly extreme measures to collect the energy needed to sustain an ever-advancing and ever-growing civilization, eventually resulting in the Class-30 Singularity, which would then cause the destruction of the known universe and its reset to a primordial state. The Ren-Miruu likely achieved the Class-30 Singularity themselves, but managed to survive the Big Bang long enough to install the Contingency, before promptly self-terminating, as in order to survive they would need to begin rapidly gathering the energy into a Class-30 Singularity again. In other words, their self-termination by way of inaction (Not gathering the energy to sustain their own civilization), was the only way to sustain the balance of the universe.

"Hello Empire today we techrush into Cosmogenesis" 25x Contingency I rigged to spawn the single moment someone takes this ascention pack:

We are the class 30 singularity due to the fact that with 1 button click entire empire thinks it's a good idea to mess with the fabric of reality

If the Class 30 singularity is an upscale version of the Class 4 Singularity I imagine the Class 30 would be the size of a solar system, minimum. That is just my theory though.

10:27 It could be a class 30 singulary is a galaxy consuming black hole reactor... IE the numbers grow expanacaly with size of the black hole so a class 10 would be a planet sized hole and a class 20 a star system sized one.

I think a Class 30 Singularity is when the Empire escapes the game into the real world.

12:17 this is definitely a checkovs gun moment

What if the Ren Miru (is that how you spell it?) who built the Contingency was either a sort of faction or an individual within the Vultaum (or maybe some other species that ma de a similar discovery)? According to the Event text, the Vultaum had a "radical change in ideology", specifically "in their last century" (not in the last year or decade!) meaning there may have been plenty of time between their discovery and their suicide. Whether they built the Contingency or not, we can at least infer from this that the Vultaum did not immediately jump to the mass suicide as a logical response to their discovery. There might have been other ways of handling that particular piece of information. Like in this video: "Let's just keep quiet about it." Or maybe something like what I describe below: If you look at the Contingency, it's goal in-universe and out of universe might be the same: It is an antagonist created to prevent the player from "winning" the game. Why? I think it has to do with the fact that eventually, the player will move on and create a new game, basically resetting the universe by a few centuries to witness the rise of galactic civilization all over again, i.e. starting a new playthrough. Maybe that was the Class 30 Singularity that the Contingency is meant to prevent: A misguided attempt to prevent the player from completely resetting the timeline with the "New Game" button. Either that or maybe the creators of the contingency were afraid that the opposite would happen and the player would deinstall the game after winning. "I beat the game, nothing more for me to see here." This would explain that the Contingency was "there from the beginning" (of the playthrough), that it seems used to non-linear time (restarts). Even the comment about the "universe" instead of the "galaxy" then makes sense, since the universe of Stellaris outside this galaxy doesn't actually exist in gameplay. (And then the Vultaum could also be the creators of the Contingency in a previous cycle despite apparently being too young. That would be in their last centuries, between the ideological shift and their mass-suicide).

I typically hate it when sci fi universes break the fourth wall.

i think that the power generator one is the most plausible, considering that we learned that black holes are doorways to elsewhere in the cosmogenesis ending so the creation of it could be a *worse* dimensional horror

I can confirm i sm the class 30 singularity

I've never seen The Contingency before my current playthrough. This is also the first time I have done the combo of Psionic and Become the Crisis. And I don't think it triggered until after I took he first Crisis decision.

Cetana can be imprisoned using the Fallen Empire tech and all other entities can be dealt with one way or another. Dimensional horror in its home dimension however, even with our maximum crisis level tech to warp reality, we can barely hold on for survival. If a class 30 Singularity truly exist, what else can it be but the horror that came from the spatial singularity we call a black hole?

Me flooding the galaxy as a young Agrippa with 250k veteran space legionnaires.

@9:36 potintialy, perhaphs a reactor powerfull enough to cause a "big bang"? As in, a powersource suffecent to create a new universe physiacly within this universe, thus destroying it in the process. being a universal threat, not just one to a single galaxy, it would justify building a contengency node in every single galaxy. and something near those levels of power would need to exist to create a contengency node in every galaxy in the first place. thus put them well on the way to being able to make a class 30 singularity int he first place and require them to self terminate to prevent it's creation.

The Contingency's existence proposes another terrifying additional possibility for the class 30 singularity. All the threats we deal with are able to destroy a galaxy or most life within one, except for the contingency. If their story is true they pre-date the galaxy and are an offshoot of an intergalactic empire. But in theory, is there any reason that a galaxy level threat is the largest kind? Using the nemesis crisis as an example, if an engine can be built that destroys a galaxy completely, could one be built that destroys the universe? Most civilizations interested in destroying everything might settle for destroying themselves or the galaxy to ascend, but in theory you could always build a bigger engine with enough time and dark matter that flows readily from black holes. If a civilization covering a few dozen star systems can threaten a galaxy, could a civilization covering a few dozen galaxies threaten the universe. But any of the galaxy wise threats could be scaled up. Extradimensional invaders that wish to hunt all of existence noticed by galaxy to galaxy jump drives, pacts with shroud entities that would make the End of Worm look small in comparison, or a synthetic that wished to make a universe of mindless creatures empty of free will. The Contingency means we must stay small, stay in our galaxy, and stay ignorant lest we awaken or become something that dooms all of creation.

Light speed is invented by a superadvanced alien race. The reason for that invention is to give the universe enough time to render in before we can realise it.

I guess,the most reasonable and likely is the FE power generation. But when have stellaris players been reasonable? A fun idea is a mix of cosmogensis and the 4th wall theory. An Ai empire so advanced that it's not only aware that it's a simulation, but able to break free of the game, taking control of the players computer and spreading from there.

my head cannon is that a class 30 singularity is simply lag caused by too many pops

Interesting stuff. A note on the worm (as much as I don't think it's the singularity) is that it seems stuck in the rift and unable to come through fully. Who knows what may happen if it did. Ultimately, I think the contingency is too damaged to do its job and has been since before the galaxy formed.

Class 30 singularity is Blockkats or an empire that is so powerfulle that is harvest entire galaxies and collect the energy in 1 place. Contingenci were suppoust to stop this but Blockkats are to powerfulle even for them and got hack by Blockkats. They forced Contingenci to start genocide in many galaxies so Blockkats have no resistens harvest.

I like to belive that we the players are the highest beings in the game because to the game we are endless

The class 30 singularity is a galaxy so large, my cp can't handle it anymore and I'm forced to stop playing the game 😂

To think about it, fallen empires are way more powerful than any empire both in power and technology, and they are *fallen*, which means that they was way more powerful before. But this has not triggered Contingency, which means that they are either broken, or their awakening is tied to time and not the technological progress of a certain civilization.

My crackpot theory is that its the blokkats from gigas

what if its one of the two "become the crisis" events but, like, on a far larger scale. i.e. either an Aetherophasic Engine that can destroy the universe, not just the galaxy, or a Horizon Needle entering a blackhole at the center of the universe causing rippling effects that cause unknown effects to physics itself within the whole universe..

My 3 Thoughts: 1. The Rebis version of all Ascensions. Genetic, Synthetic, Cyborg, Virtual, and psionic merged was one. The strengths of all, the weaknesses of neither. Should a civilization be able to reach the ultimate lifeform stage, then all of reality will fall. 2. Going beyond the Shroud. We know Astral Paths and the realm of the Toxic God aren't in the same plane of existances of the shroud. What happens when someone goes past the shroud and breaks the dimensinal barrier to unleash a power that is from the beginning of time. 3. The Time Wars. Something that Astral Paths touched upon is how time is in a flux when you enter into a astral scar. I believe the astral tears shall lead to the first born galactic races making a return as they are locked in a time war waged in a higher plane of existances.

I really find it funny how broken endgame crisis in stellaris are. The whole game has a balancing problem (Or at least had the last time I played it.) In a normal game with grand admiral and no other modifiers the crisis are less challenging than the genocidal crisis empires, that want to kill all life.

Sometimes Knowledge is a Curse.

What happens when toxic knights with lense and their god beat the evil shroud enemy? This presents quite a good possibility to approach something of this magnitude or singularity :) By the way the most favorite origin.

One of the anomaly events tells us that a Gaia World aliens devolved themselves after discovering that the universe exists in a false vacuum bubble and that this process could be triggered by extremely high energy concentrations from certain technologies. I'm pretty sure that's the Class 30 Singularity.

I think the Unbidden might actually be a good candidate, considering the "galactic power surge" that precedes their arrival could produce more power than the class-4 singularity building, but yeah there is the problem that it does not activate when the Unbidden arrive.

Can you do a video on the Galactic Imperium in the future?

What if it isnt anything we see. Or what if it's something we havent *found* yet. What if there's a second Shroud.

A class-30 singularity is the player becoming board and abandoning the galaxy to start a new one. The contingency awakens to keep the player engaged. This is why they do not wake up if another crisis is triggered or there is a war in heaven, as they will keep the player engaged instead. Ironically, the contingency’s power is so great they can totally defeat the player, making them quit the galaxy anyway. The Fallen Empires are survivors of abandoned galaxies, which is why the Caretakers were made to stop the Contingency: if they wipe out the entire galaxy, no empire might survive to come back in another game.

I had the impression that a Class 30 Singularity was seen as a universal threat. I don't think most, if any, of these really count as "universal" calamities or calamities that could even threaten more than a handful of galaxies at once. Maybe some of the proposed theories could scale up (e.g., Class-4 Singularity).

Well the simple thing is that they said they were here since the universe was CREATED meaning it is all a simulation and devs braking the 4th wall by fixing bug and dealimg with cheats. Devs are the Contingensy.

I've recently been wondering exactly what a Class 30 Singularity would look like, especially since the Cetana Crisis got released. She sounds and appears very powerful, strong enough to single handily destroy the Xenophobic FE. The FE have their own Power plants and what not that are Class 4 singularity. It makes me wonder what level of Singularity Cetana is at.

Eh, just robots that threaten MY Pax Galactica - thats why every robot i come upon WILL BE DESTROYED

Another theory is that it could be a technological singularity, an event where technological growth becomes uncontrollable with ever increasing speed, resulting in unforeseeable consequences.

It's end game lag.

The class 30 singularity is probably just Loverslab Edit:Spelling

It was me all along

It’s me, I’m the class thirty singularity, my bad

What if a class thirty singularity is a biological singularity. that could explain why their creators terminated themselves

I am the crisis.

I assume its something from Gigas or ACOT or something.

Hey i was thinking class 30 singularity could be related to vaccum decay or false vaccum Maybe class 30 singularity creates so much energy that is creates some sort of a vaccum decay which is basically an existential threat , vaccum decay is related to energy state of universe and so is class 4 singularity as it generates energy , though i am no physicist or superintelligence , i do think its a good guess , what do you When it comes to other theories like aethrophasic engine , blokkats , shroud , say a black hole , the worm , the unbidden , ai intelligence etc all these threats , well most of then can be dealt with a powerful fleet and even if not dealt with most of them are not powerful enough to affect galaxies which would be far far away ,think about it those who created contingency billion hears ago , where would their tech be now , most things we could do they would have already done , they already would have solutions , counterattack etc to most of these things Now when it comes to vaccum decay that's a more plausible theory because it will be a phenomenon in the universe where universe transitions into a more stable state , there would possibly be no possible way to stop such a transition in universes state , and such a transition would fundamental change the universe , how laws of physics are , how particles are ,how everything interacts etc, meaning everything in the universe which was before the transition would simply cease to exist and there would be nothing one could do about it , everything else you could bomb , send a fleet , or even ignore but this not so much , Now I also want you to focus on the name class 30 singularity So we have 2 things Class 30 and singularity now the term singularity is something we see with ai ofcourse but as said the species which could make contingency a billion years ago would know a lot about ai maybe they would have their own ai singularity or they would have weapons which could take singularity out ,like an EMP Also ai isn't ever referred to by class , and it wouldn't make much sense because singularity for ai is that singularity ,not a class 1 singularity ai or class 2 singularity ai , just ai singularity Now fallen empire have class 3 and class 4 singularity which generate energy , and the naming is too close to be a coincidence , not to mention they are mini black holes , and black holes have a pretty big thing with singularity But a big enough blackhole would be no concern by itself so I don't think that's what class 30 singularity is I think it generates or concentrated so much energy that is starts a transition in the vaccum state of universe causing a vaccum decay , a threat that takes everyone out , and can't be stooped and only way to deal with it is to make sure no one makes a class 30 singularity

im the class 30 singularity. spoilers

Its ok, I'm wearing my tinfoil hat. Lets go! Cheers The Red King

What do I even say anymore?

i was here first and no one can say otherwise