same lol. I'm watching this bc my mum got a 12 Pro and, like the nerd I am, I have been more excited about the phone than her... especially the Night Mode, Ultra Wide, Telephoto and ProRAW Cameras.
100% agree with you. Many early RU-vid reviews that I saw were critical of the 12 Pro and 12 Pro Max’s image quality - but they all failed to mentioned Apple ProRAW and what it could possibly bring to the table. I’m glad you were dialed in on that from the beginning.
Great video as usual, Ted. Quick note... you mentioned Pro Raw being exclusive to Pro and Pro Max models due to the A14 Bionic chip. However, the iPhone 12 also carries the A14 chip. So it’s probably not only based on the chip. I think the exclusivity of Pro Raw is more likely due to the LIDAR Scanner baked into the Pro models. The scanner measures the speed of light reflection from environment objects which probably feeds a ton of data helping the phone create the Pro Raw file. Just a thought and hope it helps. Thanks for the amazing videos!
I purchased the iPhone 12 mini and I’m really thinking of switching to the iPhone 12 Pro. I’m coming from an iPhone 6S so I obviously don’t upgrade regularly. Is it enough of a difference within the 12 lineup to go from regular to pro? Thanks for any input.
I've really looking forward to this new feature, and I'm glad that you've had good results with it so far in your testing. I'll be taking more photos than ever now with my iPhone.
Good review. After hanging in there on my iPhone 7 Plus for the last few years I decided that instead of buying a new laptop this year I was just gonna go ahead and upgrade the phone to this iPhone 12 max plus. I must say I am blown away by this phone. As a long time professional photographer this phone gives me virtually everything I need in a carry around camera. I purchased the iographer to mount it for video work, but so far I've only really been shooting stills. The ability to shoot ProRAW on this camera along with the video quality puts this camera on a par with carrying around my Gh5.Obviously the GH5 and 5S has some capabilities that make them better for longform video projects, but this cameraphone is absolutely superb. thanks for the great review from the point of view of a serious still photographer. It was just enough to help clarify the capabilities of this new format.
Just playing around with it. It’s definitely a game changer!! ProRaw images imported into Lightroom Mobile look better than raw images shot via Lightroom Mobile. Crazy!!!!
Also, the Ultra-wide and the front camera never worked in RAW in Lightroom, it was only JPEG, so to have now all four in RAW and especially ProRAW is amazing.
Damn - just bought 1phone 11 pro. Update a week later: I returned the 11 and bought the 12 pro max... returned as the yellow tint warm screen made reading what is meant to be white txt difficult but the cameras were insanely good.
How do you edit the photo? Do you have to use Lightroom. I’m always happy just to edit my photos on my iPhone. Does raw editing work the same as editing a jpeg photo? Great video thanks. You think iPhones dynamic range compares to like a Sony or a Fuji camera? Just asking.
I have bought an iPhone 12 pro max most recently and I don’t have iOS 14.3.I have 14.2.1 I don’t know why I don’t have the latest version so I can use pro raw. Can you tell me why this is the case? Thanks!!
Been trying it ProRaw since the developer beta came out. I’ve got to say, every day Apple gives me one more reason to bring my phone as a camera instead of my camera. Will it replace professional cameras? Nope, not at all. However, for those jobs that just require a simple picture with high detail, this phone is on par on getting the job done.
Means we don't need DSLR camera for photography because we can easily make our image quality like dslr camera with the help of Apple ProRAW support isnt it?
Thank you! The Dolby Vision was the first hint at how good the 12 Pro Max main (wide) camera could be. I just updated my iOS and can't wait to take it out and shoot a bunch tomorrow. Looking forward to more of a review video after you've used this for a little while.
All of this is great. But from what I've seen the new phones have the worst lens flares. Almost to a point where i don't know if i could use this phone for videos and photos. All the big reviews seem to avoid the issues somehow, but it's pretty bad
you usually cant open raw files right? like if i send a raw file through text, you wont be able to open it or can you? cuz if I can send proraw files then i might just take pro raw photos all the time
This isn't strictly related the news here, but has Apple made it any easier to get the ProRAW images (or any other images) off the iPhone to be edited on a desktop or laptop or anything with a bigger, better monitor?
Well, doesnt the google pixel have this for about two years now? They got computational raw support and it's basically what Apple is now calling ProRaw or am I wrong?
ProRaw is Apple's marketing for what is essentially "computational Raw". This has been available for 2 years now on Pixel phones (since Pixel 3) so nothing ground breaking. Can you guys do a comparison? Nice that Apple has finally caught up and pushed this forward
I'm sure the iPhone 11 Pro could shoot ProRaw if they wanted to. You can take incredible DNGs in Lightroom. Apple doesn't like giving out free features though...
I have been watching all the deflated reviews on the iPhone 12 Pro series and just knew the Pro Raw feature would go unnoticed. This maybe because of its late induction but most tech RU-vidrs would know its coming. This is why I am wanting to upgrade from an iPhone 11 Pro. Photos are just going to be on another level compared to any other phone with a minor bit of tweaking even in the iPhone app itself
I bought an iPhone 12 Mini (size is plus), and I'm shooting Lightroom RAW on it which is awesome. However I feel like this is an artificial segmentation of the iPhone 12 models, some people might claim RAM specs as a cause but it feels like protecting the Pro models. I can't wait for Halide or someone to bring this feature to their app.
Want to point out that the iPhone 12 also has the A14 chip but lacks the ProRaw feature. I believe it’s the additional 2GB of ram that the iPhone 12 Pro has that enables it for the ProRaw feature. That, and may be Apple needed another reason to justify the price increase to the Pro models.
Thank you from the Uk, I have the 12 Pro Max and I am amazed with this Pro Raw and what you can do with the free lightroom app, stunning photos, and when you put the original photo next to the raw photo, wow! 👍🏻
I just shot the same subject in ProRaw and JPEG. Can't tell the difference in the editor when darkening or lightening by 2 stops. ProRaw just tints the highlights with grey when darkening. The native editor treats the RAW same as JPEG, and so does Lightroom. I think I'm just wasting storage space.
I think it’s the RAM for the pro models, not the processor because all iPhone 12’s have the A14 chip. The PRO models have more ram for the ProRaw file format.
@@theartofphotography definitely the ram. The Pro models have 6GB vs the 4GB on the 12 and 12 mini. Noticeable difference when shooting raw in say Halide and definitely ProRaw with all the computational bits apple throws in.
I have an iPhone 12Pro and have the ability to choose RAW on the phone. However, when I Airdrop it to my computer, its only a jpeg. When I edit it on the phone, it really looks blah. Not like RAW that I'm expecting. What else is required to get the DNG?
Fantastic video, thank you for sharing. Succinct and to the point with enough detail to assist me as a user but not overwhelm me too much info. Thanks again.
I upgraded from a 256gig 11 Pro Max to a 512gig 12 Pro Max. Couldn't be happier and the images rival many mirrorless cameras. Editing in Lightroom has been a breeze and an interesting point.... just to see how Adobe views these ProRaw DNGs, I tried the "Auto" button on numerous images of differing types and lighting, and rarely did it do anything.
I never use the auto button. I’m finding the ProRaw DNGs imported into Lightroom Mobile are incredible. So much flexibility - it’s silly these files have come from a phone with a tiny sensor.
I’m pretty sure the A14 is in the 12 and 12 mini. Pro raw is exclusive to the pro phones because Apple needs to justify the price difference of the higher end line.
Could you make a comparison between Apple Pro Raw and Samsung Raw? Samsung Raw files have been praised by a lot of mobile photographers because of how much information you could retain after processing in Photoshop and Affinity. Thus I'm curious about how would it stack up against Pro Raw 🤔
In Lightroom it defaults to Adobe colour profile. Should I be using the Apple embedded colour profille, which makes the image incredibly under exposed.
Using a Apple 7 for a after thought to take images or if I do not have me older Nikon DSLR gear. I am learning and may upgrade phones and pick up a smaller mirrorless camera with only a lens or two. Thanks for the info in this video.
Shot a RAW DNG file on my iPhone 12 and uploaded it to my Box account and it was 24.9 MB. As soon as I try to edit it in-phone, and upload the edited version, the new size is ~2 MB, but still uploads as a DNG. I reverted my changes in-phone and uploaded again and it was ~4 MB DNG then. Seems from the drop in file size that as soon as you try to edit the DNG in-phone, you can't get back all the data after that. - Thoughts?
It is to be noted that all the iPhone 12 share the exact same processor: the A10 Bionic Chip. So, the fact that only the "Pros" get ProRaw is not directly linked to the processor. I'm not sure why this is limited to the "pros" though. Maybe 6GB of RAM instead of 4GB and the LIDAR sensor?
I don't understand why Nikon, Canon, etc aren't on the computational bandwagon. I can't imagine a more awesome camera than one with Nikon hardware and Apple software.
I’m excited about this! I took the plunge with the 12 pro cuz my battery was going on my iPhone 7. I’ve been impressed already with the pics but this is next level. Maybe I won’t need to upgrade my a6000. 😀. Well, that may be a stretch, but even the 7 took great photos, mainly because it was the one with me. I have many keepers from that phone too.
@Tom Geldon Don't know what your pic's look like, but I'm pretty satisfied with mine. I don't find them terrible at all. Don't plan to enlarge these to poster size anyway. I've only done that once with any of my photo's and that's back when I was using film.
It can't be limited by the new A14, as the mini and the non pro 12 has the same A14 chip. It's limited because the new light capture on the pro variants.
No, you need to use the stock iPhone app to take the image in raw first. You can shoot raw from within Lightroom, but Lightroom currently does not utilise the deep fusion functionality - the bit that makes this special.
after taking raw photo, i tried to transfer to my telegram as file, first the size is around 25mb after that when i send again(the same photo) the size shrank to 1-2mb.. may i know why is that
Why hasn’t apple been able to let consumers PAUSE they’re videos while recording🤷🏻♂️ I’ve been an iPhone user for 5 years now. And I hate it that I can’t pause a video while recording.!
How can this be processor intensive? You get the raw data.... Shooting in normal jpg or heic is more cpu intensive because then, it have to do all its magic to the photo...
@Tom Geldon it’s already partially built. The leak has been out there before the 12 went on sale. All four 13s will have larger sensors and more megapixels
Pro raw is a photo thing, not a video thing. The equivalent would be shooting on a third party app like filmic pro, and shooting in a flat profile, which reduces the contrast so you have more dynamic range to work with in post
My pro-raw images are over-exposed when importing to lightroom. Even using Lightroom mobile on my iPhone 12 pro max has the exact same issue. Any ideas?
Frans, love your patience. I went from my 7 Plus to the iPhone 12 Pro Max. It was the cameras and the return to the beloved 4/5 form factor that finally got me to move. You'll never get a worse phone by waiting, but I can tell you if you primarily use the phone for the camera, it will blow you away.
I have tried lightroom raw on my google phone and it was shit. Sorry for being honest, but it is that bad. I would prefer automatic raw shooting from google camera with similar to proraw ai features
like you for three weeks and I have no problem I have used it in photos used in video it is fabulous, maybe you don't know how to use it go see an iPhone seller who explains the concrete use to you
