What Is Happening To The OST of Doom The Dark Ages? 

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Music composer: "I want to be paid for my work." Bethesda: "You're fired."

I will forever miss Mick Gordon in doom. With his work on the Taras Nabad, Welcome Home Great Slayer, Urdak, and The Betrayer tracks, we can see that he creates beautiful atmospheric masterpieces that fit perfectly into that "medieval" dark age aesthetic. I would pay an exorbitant amount of money to get him back in Doom

modern doom without mick is unfortunate.

Marty Stratton most likely doesn't want any one composer to be the 'face' of the Doom sound after the Gordon fiasco, so he churns through composers with every release.

I’m not upset it’s not any of them, but I AM concerned AF about the new composer getting crunched like Mick did.

Mick Gordon will forever be my favourite music composer for Doom. His soundtracks are absolute heat. It’s a shame that he’ll probably never come back

I wouldn't be surprised if the trailer music was just a placeholder track and they've yet to hire someone lol

I wonder if Geoffplaysguitar is part of the soundtrack. Trailer music doesn't sound synth-heavy enough to be him but it could be interesting.

Am I the only one that was super excited for The Dark Ages right up until I remembered what happened with Mick Gordon and now I kind of want nothing to do with it until somebody at the very least apologizes for what happened.

David Levy also composed for Red vs Blue. I feel that this is very important information

The real question is will ID slander this new composer. Probably

Now this is pure speculation on my end and I have no evidence to back this up but one artist that popped up in my head of who it could be was Two Feathers, the people who did the soundtrack for Metal Hellsinger as the song in the trailer did sound somewhat similar to the rhythm and beat of Acheron. Again this is just speculation though so I could be completely wrong.

I strongly believe it is Matthew Heafy from the band 'Trivium'. He is a big enough name in the industry and in 2022, publicly petitioned to have iD contact him to work on the soundtrack for the next Doom game. That petition was picked up by several major metal music outlets and circulated around heavily. The music in the reveal trailer also sounds very reminiscent of his style if he was trying to emulate Mick Gordon with his own spin on it.

Also a remark about stone age and Bobby Prince being ~70 felt rude. I get that you are young and people at that age might feel ancient to you, but man, have some respect for him. 70 is not THAT old.

Honestly think whoever the anonymous music man is he knows enough to take the game in a great direction just like Mick, David, and Andrew

Im calling it now: The soundtrack for Doom The Dark Ages will be considered "good" or "fine" by most people, but it will not be better than Mick Gordon or even Andrew Hulshult/David Levy in most peoples eyes.

not impossible that the official composer is not yet announced because there still isn't one, and while ID keeps exploring their options they just pulled a fast one for the trailer to just let people know the gears are moving tho for most games the gap between first trailer and launch rarely exceeds 12 months, so if they still haven't decided on a composer that is bad news by itself, if we want music in dark ages to be good we better hope the gears really are moving and that they're moving fast

I don't remember the Doom 2016 trailers having Mick Gordon's music in them, so i wouldn't speculate just yet about what is happening this time around.

We still have Hugo Martin as the Game Director of ID, the music is going to be fucking fantastic, and the trailer is just a teaser of what's to come.

Andrew is a genius, my RU-vid feed is filled with his and mick’s recordings lol

Great question and video. I’ve been wondering this too.

oh hell nah this comment section is silly af. I can tell people gonna shit on the game when it releases cuz “erm… Mick isn’t there!!” (not hating on mick but man some of you fanboys sound goofy)

When is the QuakeCon happening?

Doom without Mick is like Serious Sam and Talos Principle without Damjan Mravunac.

Geoffrey Day is also quite a possibility

On and off topic I found out that the intro to the Dark Ages Trailer isn't original at all. Not even based off a classic Doom Track. It's weird because it's as if they lifted that whole intro but added the rest of the song after. "Eternal Night" is what it was called and just by "Release - Topic" so I dont know

Using my favourite track from DUSK was golden. Great video!

I for one welcome our new mystery composer with open arms! Hugo confirmed in an interview that the music in Dark Age's trailer is from the game, which is AWESOME. I have literally no worries about the soundtrack. Doom has had different composers in the past, as you said. It really stings that Mick is afraid to return due to the abuse and mismanagement he endured, but he undeniably set the template for how modern Doom should sound. Hulshult and Levy followed up on that style very well, and whoever this new guy is, he's also going to crush it too :)

The Trailer sounds a lot more like metalcore and metal hellsinger than anything gordon. I am very interested tho.

You know what's super-interesting to me about this -- pretty much everything else we found out in the trailer, aside from specific weapon details, got leaked or hinted or otherwise figured out ahead of time. All those things they hid from the fans got found out, making this the first thing about the game that we *don't know.* That's exciting by itself, but considering how good the community normally is at sniffing out these details, and how they've never actively tried to keep their composer secret from the fans before; they must think they have a very good reason for not letting us know just yet. And that makes me very excited :)

The trailer music sounded a lot like Two Feathers since the riff in the trailer is very similar to the one in Metal: Hellsinger - Acheron.

Three main guesses: Two Feathers, Chris Vrenna and Geoffrey Day Most probably Two Feathers. Trailer music sounds similar to their track Acheron.

Classic doom music is just so good though

I'm a big fan of Mick Gordon. I still listen to his scores while working or driving. That being said, I think it's foolish to pre-emptively write off music when it comes from someone unknown. In the end, that's how people like Gordon started in the first place. Music is art, not brain surgery. Different people with different backgrounds can still kill it with a good OST.

The only other person I could think of to helm a modern Doom OST would be Geoffrey Day, literally famous for putting together Doom covers of other music and proved his pro chops in Atomic Heart (listen to PT-1X12 and tell me he wouldn’t make a great doom soundtrack)

Imagine if bobby prince returns out of nowhere 💀

It’ll be great anyway 👍

I'll only purchase a Doom game again when there is Mick Gordon in the OST

What if it's Thorr, the composer that made the soundtrack for Sigil II?

It's probably going to be Matt Heaffy, dude teased that he was working on the soundrack of an fps that he grew up with

Geoffrey Day. Our last hope.

Very cool video! Thanks for the info.

It sounds like Andrew Hulshult is busy on a different id game with his response

Markie would be perfect

Whoever will be behind this new Doom game music, I wish that he won't go through the trouble Mick had to go through... As said by the man himself, "I didn't quit Doom, I quit a toxic client" so if the newcomer is a freelance like Geofplaysguitar, remember that Mick was also a freelance, and that all the drama started from there. Rememebr that we never had a proper "Doom Eternal OST" release due to the drama cancelling everything in this regard... and that because Mick left earlier than expected, his music in Eternal feels weaker tha in the 2016 one because he simply never finished them and some random third party dude finished the mixing and mastering but there are likely less songs than there was planned to be... And in this regards, I think that if ID/Bethesda/Zenimax/Microsoft treats the newcomer well and things goes as expected, we could have a better soundtrack than Eternal's, we should just rememeber that Eternal's one was never finished, and that in the end nothing would have happened without Mick. So high hopes for the new Doom music and I'm still remembering that Mick was mistreated and that if Eternal's music isn't as good as 2016's Doom was, it's because he was prevented to put further effort. By his own self respect. So I respect Mick.

Wouldn't mind if NIN came back into the picture for the vibe. Somehow they seem like they could do that too amidst the other projects, but they'd have advertised it

An important thing to remember is that every reveal trailer music has never made it to the final game. So this could be a track just for the trailer. There's also been a bunch of people asking Geoffplaysguitar if he's the composer. But he has been radio silent the whole time. NDA perhaps?

I was pondering with a friend a few months ago about how they would do the OST for a new doom game. My guess was hire someone to imitate Mick... That turned out to be true (to me) and the moment the trailer dropped my question was, 'Who's doing the imitating?'

Dimebag darrel should have written the ost for ALL doom games

I don't know who it is, but I already feel sorry for him.

I think GeoffDay can be one of the composer that work on this new Doom OST, his style is inspirated by Mick Gordon.

DooM with no metal = no buy

I have a hunch: Pendulum.

There's this really talented artist called Krys Polezoes. If it's not him then I don't know

As someone who has worked extensively as an independent contractor in tech, who now works extensively with independent contractors as assisting capacities full-time in that world, Marty's treatment of Mick and the overall situation was not only wholly unprofessional; he deserves to be sued. It was, and IS, absolutely ridiculous to contract someone for the amount of work that went into that soundtrack and expect it done in such a ludicrously short amount of time with the contractor having hardly an idea what overall theme of the project was ultimately. A creative is always going to end up fighting at least somewhat of an uphill battle with a client, that's just the nature of things. The real work is to hopefully meet somewhere in the middle so both parties are happy and the work benefits the project as best it can. You can't even begin to accomplish that as a client if you're refusing to even try and work with your contractor and then get mad at them not meeting your deadlines. Communication wasn't really attempted. That wasn't a fuck up Mick's part, not even close. And regarding Marty's "statement", he was better off just not saying anything. There wasn't any evidence of laziness or pulling someone's leg on Mick's part. He did what was asked. He knocked it out of the PARK as usual. I still remember the claim there was a rebuttal to all of this that ended up getting swept under the rug and has never been published since. I'll let that move speak for itself. Ultimately this ending up in Mick not even being paid for his work...I don't even know if that's criminal or not. Personally I'd feel like it was a theft of services. To get bent over by a company like that and just let it slide. Bro is a more forgiving man than I, I guess. On the side, I produce music as a hobby. I'm self taught, been doing it for 17 years. Built my own studio over that span of time, costing me thousands upon thousands of dollars. This entire situation has pushed me about as far away from ever wanting to do music for a big name company as you can get, if this is apparently standard to expected from AAA studios. I'm not stubborn to how corporations can be, again I work in tech, I'm used to seeing people just be cogs in a machine, but honestly music is an such expensive passion. You do this shit because you love doing it. Equipment is not cheap, good software is only getting more expensive. The processes to create what we heard in Doom 2016's and Eternal's soundtrack are extremely complex and require huge amounts of time and experimentation to get right. Watching Mick's lecture about how he did some of the stuff he did for this music taught me new things with analog equipment I'd never even considered before. Who the fuck even thinks to use a chainsaw as an instrument to make your guitar tone heavier lol. You're listening to years of accumulated hard work and dedication to a craft with these soundtracks, and that is what paves this man's living. It makes me livid to think that a bottom line is so much more important to some people, they're willing to fuck over someone else's living and attempt to trash their reputation doing so permanently simply because someone fucked up, got called out for it and their manbaby ego couldn't handle it. It's fucking pathetic.

I’ll say it for as many times as possible. DOOM franchise without Marty Stratton is like Jesus coming back to bless the poor.

From what i’ve heard - there will be some kind of agency in charge for score, not a single composer.

I genuinely hope that tweaker will come back to the series

hulshult also did the music for the official brutal doom mod trailer (my personal favorite of his work ik im boring)

Considering that those would be some basic beginner-intermediate level guitar riffs, that "dynamically" switch to nothing after 30 seconds tops - they could hire Pac-man and it will still sound the same. It's not like they are going to resurrect Jimi Hendrix.

I'd like to add that they could just be doing the music in house at id with Chad Mossholder or someone new since all other possible people are saying that they're not involved. It sucks Mick won't be involved because his music really defined DOOM for the new games, but I hope with the new composer that they make some damn good music.

I actually got so much less excited for the Dark Ages learning that Mick Gordon is probably not gonna be the composer for it…

Just reading through the entire statement that mick had written and the fact that they tried bribe him with the money they owed him to never speak about it and make it seem like the damage that Stratton had done to micks reputation wasn’t that big of a deal. Because it fcking was

Nah mick gordon not gonna make dark age ost ,hes still busy making soundtrack for " Empty vessel " its a new game that he made with his new team

It has to be The Last Bear Ender

Yeah, they'll be under an NDA alright. about how much they're not getting paid by ID or Bethesda.

Just sounded metal and generic to me Mick created the new DOOM sound with his music and now we get just metal :(

What did they reject até the end of Doom Eternal, from Mick Gordon? I can’t make it out.

Bro, I’m telling y’all, it’s Geoffplaysguitar, listen to his Atomic Heart tracks. Or his Doom-covers of Dark Souls music, the guy is a genius.

You guys remember 115 in COD:BO ? Trailer soundtrack reminded me of Kevin Sherwood .

Unless I’d software apologises to mick for screwing him over I don’t think mick is ever coming back

mick gordon is PEAK doom .... period. i have never been as pumped up to slay demons as i was when it was his music. Bethesda REALLY F**ked up

You know what, I'm excited. I've listened to the trailer music, and I believe we're in good hands. I think people really blow things out of proportion with how DOOM games are handled a lot, yet at the end of the day, they still love it, the just like with Ancient Gods OST.

Glad we’re getting some thrash metal elements. Fingers crossed we get a great composer.

marty stratton is making things worse again.He needs to be gone.

If there is no Mick thats the first doom i will not prepurchase... music is like 70% of doom gameplay

Have you considered it could be the upstart composer that has been gaining some controversy lately? Steals and appropriates without remorse, works 24/7 like a slave, doesn't need to be paid. I don't know his name but they called him A.I.

actually it sounds like late 90's melodic death metal to me. and mick's style is kind of a mix of djent and some industrial. both are awesome. but i feel melodic death metal suits the dark ages being medieval. lets just hope the rest of the soundtrack is as good as the trailer.

personally, some of the guitar riffs in the trailer remind me to the later stuff of Bret Autrey (Blue Stahli) a lot.

MY TWITTER COMMENT IS IN THE VIDEO AND I FOUND IT BY ACCIDENT WHAT THANK YOU BRUV that was so cool to see

I played this game after hearing "The only thing they fear is you" I played this game because of Mick. I literally almost turned the sound effects down to zero and left the music at 100%. I'm not really hyped about Dark Ages without him tbh.

just call it twitter man, nobody want to call it X, never gonna dig on people xd

I doubt we're getting another big-name composer after the Mick Gordon fiasco. Microsoft/Bethesda/Zenimax/Id (acquisitions suck good lord) would be insane to focus on a new composer while there are still many die-hard fans of Mick's work who would riot at the news. Honestly shocked Microsoft haven't stepped in to resolve the Mick Gordon drama with their unlimited funds and bring him back for more work. I don't think I've ever seen a game soundtrack get as much hype as Doom and Doom Eternal did.

idSoftware screwing over composers will always be weird to me. They even screwed over Trent Reznor of all people.

Whoever the new composer is I hope he has a solid contract and lawyer so he's ready to battle the final boss of id, the mighty asshole Marty Stratton.

im 80% sure its Jesper Kyd. he is known for doing good sci-fi music

The new composer is a dev first before a musician, it'll be technically impressive due to gameplay synergy, but will not be anywhere near to Mick Gordon.

Wild shot in the dark here, but: Lee Jackson, perhaps? He's about the only other name legendary enough in the landscape of FPS genre music I can think of who wasn't mentioned in this video as a possibility.......

Great video

Plot Twist: An *ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE* has been composing the OST of DOOM: The Dark Ages.

I am absolutely, positively, 100% shure that the music from the trailer is from Two Feathers, the guys that made the music for Metal: Hellsinger. You should check it out, the gutar tone and riffs are very similar if not identical.

You are talking about amazing music while wearing JBLs. Get rid of those and get something proper to listen to that great music.

No preorders

im still just salty DE never got an official OST release

I'm concerned that there might be some kind of AI involvement in the soundtrack.

If by the slim chance that it's mick gordon composing this soundtrack it would make sense that it does't sound as industrial as his other work because of the setting. Most of the demons aren't going to have over the top cybernetics and we are pretty much going back to the mid evil days (if it had guns). Making the music more thrashy makes more sense to me. It's obviously most likely not going to be mick gordon, but I trust that whoever it is will make a banger soundtrack. The trailer music was amazing.

What if Mick and Id worked the beef out behind the scenes and this is the redemption arc that's about to drop like the biggest nuke ever made?

Would love to see some more thrashy songs in the new Doom

#JusticeForMickGordon