What is The Great Lie of Mars? 

A point is 0D. A line is 1D.

Came to say this, ignore the semantic ass saying 1D is a line an not a point

Was just about to say that :D Which funnily enough with that description, a form of necron containment device is called the Tesseract Labyrinth

4D is an infinity stone?

@@Adorni no.

This is hilarious

3: the fun-er answer: Big E didn’t grab just _any_ baseball bat. He *_WARP FUCKERIED_* into Smash Bros, stole the baseball bat from there, and hit the single greatest home-run ever. Of all time. Right into the Martian surface, where he then did a superhero landing, walked up into the Void Dragon’s crater where it was lying there dazed and proceeded to beat it into a pulp like it owed him money.

​@@goingblargh Someone: You cant just yeet a space dragon into the surface of mars Big E: 😂😂😂 *YEET*

Damn. 6 days and no comment or reaction from the channel. And you're a member. Man, The Lost Primarch reacts to and/or comments of all of my comments. Even single word comments. Flex.

3. he used a spray bottle whilst periodically say "go on git"

Great lore: A long and rather realistic history of how a society distorted itself through thousands of years and the many tragedies of the 40k universe, and to top it as the greater tragedy, how the Imperium was forced to rely on them, with even the emperor making a compromise, really demonstrating the horrifying scale and stakes involved. Shit lore: Ackshually, it was just emps being EEEEEEVILL and fucking up again g

@@CopeSeethorntin He's not evil:D That's just poor Alpha Primus in there doing his best. And he's just a giant genius time-traveling little guy...

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and then EVERYTHING GOES TO *SHIT*

About that it happened with the first imperial daemon he locked it away forgot about it something really fucked happened when the demon that the daemon killed resurrected then they rereleased the daemon just for it disappear again To put it simply thats probably what happened

The 4D chess Emperor is definitely more intimidating, but it's also fun to imagine how much of the Emperors plans was glue and duck tape.

​@@SWProductions100 The 4D chess interpretation just doesn't make sense though, if Big E knew what was going to happen He absolutely would have avoided the HH. It blindsided Him and His character, in its own thoughts, literally talks about the ruination of the dream and His utter despair over what will become of Humanity. The Emperor wasn't that great at Far-seeing and manipulation of the future compared to someone like Eldrad, and even Eldrad can only really alter events to a certain degree. If the Emperor was playing 4D chess He would have just avoided the HH and checkmated Chaos right there, realistically once Humanity escaped the reliance on Warp Travel and ascended to a purely Psychic race under the guidance of people who knew how to teach them, Chaos wouldn't really be able to do much, especially because they wouldn't have any major mortal agents capable of opposing this bastion of order. Like what happened to the Emperor isn't sacrificing a piece to win, it's getting mated then the board falls of the table and neither of you remember the position of the pieces lol.

⁠@@AveSicarius Yeah i always understood it thus: the Emperor _lost_ the Horus Heresy. He is the most powerful man to have ever lived, but he is still a man, and therefore flawed… human. When Erebus tricks Horus in his visions on Davin, by showing him the “possible” future of the Imperium worshipping the Emperor as a god, we the readers know he is showing the actual future in the 41st millenium. This must mean that the Chaos Gods’ plan was for that future to come about, so they can feast on all the various sufferings such a regime would create over 10+ millennia. They would happily sacrifice Horus and the Traitor Legions in fulfilling the plan; they just needed to halt the Emperor’s webway project and take him out of action. Therefore, the HH was actually a win for Chaos. In relation to the Void Dragon thing, I reckon it’s totally plausible that he just stashed it on Mars because that’s what was convenient at the time in the 10th century or whenever it was, and just opportunistically masqueraded as the Omnissiah when the time came to get ships and materiel for the Great Crusade. The idea that he planned it all in advance is ridiculous, considering how many other errors he made, and how often he was blindsided. He is just human, after all.

@@AveSicarius 2 cents on this. For one, maybe he is playing 4d chess, its just that he is playing against 4 veterans of 4d chess, so the odds are still against him. However I like to think its less like chess, where he is trying to execute some perfect plan, and more like, he sees always multiple possibilities. He knows there is nothing certains, that risk is unavoidable, best he do is take the best bets he comes across. There was never a big plan, he is just that good (or rather, perhaps not good enough) at setting up contingencies and improvising. He clearly did see the possibility of something like HH, even before the primarchs where scattered. Now that fucked his plan real good, the rest was a fucking rush. Hell, from his perspective, I think from the age of strife onwards, it was all a rush. Even his intense focus on the webway, when you remember why the age of strife happened to begin with, shows how desperate he was.

Blood has iron in it

TTS Magnus: "SPACE WOLVES?!! AAAAAA-"

WHO DARES MENTION THE FURRIES OF FENRIS!?

We all do

Jingley

Jangly

Shiney!

So shiney

40k is Duneship troopers. Just come to terms with that.

Totally, nothing in 40k is original. Mostly I play a game seeing if I can recognise what (I shall charitably call) the inspiration was

A C'Tan chunk, if you will

i always find it kinda hard to believe that he could have beaten and locked away a c'tan shard like i know he is meant to be a powerful demigod but i feel it makes the c'tan look a like bitches if a guy can beat one up

@@garfieldfan4464 then you grossly underestimate the power of big E also we don’t know how he did it, the golden age was a long long time and humanity made some OP stuff back in that era. I can’t stress enough how OP big E used to be back in the day, he’s peak “dad back before you were born lore”

​@@garfieldfan4464 The Emperor managed to exterminate a whole world full of Primarch sized Orks (Ullanor) with a single warp blast and the whole fight was already shown in the book Mechanicum

​​@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus Nah, the Emperor was stated to be weaker before Molech, and even in His absolute prime as the Living Emperor a large enough C'Tan shard would be a serious problem, that's how powerful the C'Tan are. Plus the Old One's a literal race of Super-Psykers with godlike power got fucked by the C'Tan, as did the Prime Aeldari, who's less distinguished descendents like Eldrad could probably throw Magnus around the room if they weren't restricted by the whole Slaanesh thing. The C'Tan are the closest thing the setting has to true God's, they were born at the start of the Universe and can manipulate reality like nothing else we've seen in the setting outside of Necron Technology (which is seemingly based on their abilities). Given that this occured pre-Fall the Emperor likely had help from some outside source, probably the Aeldari as they constantly searched for the C'Tan and Necron's and had observed the Earth beforehand. Either that or it happened much later, because people think this happened during the Dark Ages as in medieval times given the images shown, perhaps during the DAoT or the Fall/Old Night where Big E had super tech and the images shown are either a lie or an interpretation in the mind of a mad star god. That's if you buy the whole "the Emperor is an Anatolian Caveman" story, I like the idea that it's as the Eldar say, the Emperor is a DAoT weapon unleashed on the Galaxy, either He was an artificial Perpetual, which would make sense given He used Himself as the basis for the Primarch's who were also attempts at artificial Perpetuals, or He was heavily modified. You significantly underestimate the power of the C'Tan, the Old One's were a race of Emperor like Psykers, and they got eaten by the ravenous Star God's.

And every part of the imperium is literally functioning off the Emperor's last worded instructions. That shit is over 10,000 years old

And the most weird thing about this is the fact BigE despite being a prick isn't really selfish in his intentions as he clearly doesn't desire unlimited power. Given the fact he outright rejects God hood and unlimited power as soon as he learned humanity would be obliterated if he decided to go through with it. Which kinda puts BigE in a weird spot as his clearly a dick but at the same time he also isn't a lier when he sais his genuinely doing it for humanity. He even admitted he was wrong in the End of the Death, and didn't want to bullshit himself in to think he wasn't wrong he admitted it was all on him and didn't try to put the blame on the traitors (accept for Magnus for obvious reasons) as he was willing to take responsible for his fuck ups and if he can hopefully fix his mistake and make things right or die trying. The Emperor didn't need to go on the Throne, hack he could have died there and there and he could have either become a God or just reincarnate somewhere else in the galaxy likely slightly more powerfull due to the amount of warp energy he would consume like when you really examin the Emperor's options he legit had nothing to lose and everything to gain all he really had to do was sell out Humanity if he was really that power hungry and could have obliterated chaos and raind as the new undisputed God of the Warp for a mother 60 million years but didn't as you guessed it him being God he would destroy the Human race. So it's clear BigE believes his doing the right thing and believes all the pain and suffering his created would be worth it in the End even if it means he has to suffer and bleed for 10 thousand years if it helps humanity out in the End. The best way to explain BigEs morality is that his lawfully neutral, in the sense he doesn't care what he has to do of it means humanity comes out on top in the End, he doesn't really care about himself because in his mind no sacrifice is to small and if he has to end up in the same meat grinder he created he would with out hesitation. He sees the primachs and the mechenicus as tools which is fucked up but he also sees himself the same exact way. It doesn't mean his good his a massively dick and narrative wise that what makes the setting prettier great and he doesn't have to be honestly. But I'm just glad he isn't a cliche "Alkshuly his secretly Evil your so stupid for thinking other wise, hurr durr XD" and I'm just glad it isn't black and White as what made 40k good is the fact everybody in the setting genuinely believes there on the right and doing the right thing. From the most dickish of traitor primachs to even BigE himself and you can both critic that notion and really question them well at the same time also see eye to eye with them and see where there coming. And when you really think about it's really ironic that BigE is the most un selfish dare I see even selflis 40k character who's motivations are pretty benevolent as he genuinely believes his doing the right thing also happens to be the most dickish, the most cruel and all around prick character in the setting to bring those motivations in to full fruishin. I'm not meat riding him as I don't really like the Emperor at all but i just wanted to bring this up as I find it intristing.

HMMMMMM?

HESUS!?!??!?!?!?!!???????????

Lisan al gaib

MAHDI!!!! ​@@dustinhaas8538

Yeah, it makes more sense that way.

Yeah, they're already incredibly fanatic in their beliefs. If anything they'd probably be glad to know they're all part of the Emperor's plan. They exist with a purpose, that way.

I view it as less of a lie and more of an “omission of information until they were ready.” Thing.

Nicely put. Say, how do you think Khorne and Tzeench came to be, accounting for the Dark King new lore, and species-wide ascension/apotheosis being each psychically active species' destiny, as revealed by Actae? We're the First Three born differently from Slaanesh? In the new framework, it's rather unlikely. But if they were formed in a similar fashion, what species made that possible? Were the cataclysms of their actualizations so catastrophic that they'd been rewritten to never have existed?..

​@@HTWW I love this. What species that retroactively created the other 3 chaos gods from the beginning of time existed before being destroyed by their creation? Do they even exist yet? Maybe one is the eventual destruction of a race that is around now that just has not happened yet.

It doesn't really work like that, the Chaos God's have always existed within the Warp because time does not exist there, time however does exist in the Materium and the Chaos God's don't just magically spring into existence during the War in Heaven because of the Fall of the Aeldari and other events. The flow of time in the Materium is a sort of self-contained thing, and the Chaos God's by reaching in seem to have almost been fixed by this. Which is why they are so invested in the Galaxy right now (I also really dislike the multidimensional beings explanation because it doesn't really make sense, but either way the current Chaos God's have an investment because they are localized to the Galaxy in some way), if they had the ability to act throughout Space-Time current 40k wouldn't exist given that they could just make sure a bunch of events turned in their favour, or avoid certain outcomes by knowing the future. The Emperor doesn't just get magic future visions from His future self, in fact His future sight is vague and tangled compared to the Aeldari Farseers, especially Eldrad. Though, the Chaos God's aren't really sentient it seems, not in the same way as Materium lifeforms or AI, more like extradimensional parasites mimicking their prey given how they behave, so maybe they can't influence Space-Time retroactively because their focus and intelligence is too limited.

​@@HTWW They've found other elements of Chaos influenced races or ones that fell to depravity within 40k. Be'lakor is a Daemon Prince ascended from some other race, and Drach'nyen was also brought into existence by the fall of other Empires. It's likely that they succumbed to something like the Aeldari, a psychically active race that ended up birthing a Chaos Entity through their emotional excess. It's just that nobody was as populous or psychically active as the Aeldari, hence Slaanesh burst out as a Galaxy shaking monstrosity alongside the psychic death scream of trillions of Aeldari who were consumed instantly. The Chaos God's were super weak before the Fall because they just didn't have the psychic fuel that the Birth of Slaanesh gave them, it's likely that it requires a psychically active race with strong souls in the Warp to birth or influence the Warp like that. Also the War In Heaven created the foundation of Chaos, the disrupted and turbulent Warp gave birth to things like the Enslavers based on Materium events too, the scale was just different until Slaanesh.

I like the idea but just don’t like the Big E being connected to every cool thing humanity has in 40k would be cool to see a dead human civilization that was the backup and they died for some reason or another that was something the mechanicus survived due to who they are as a society. Also like the idea the Big E never meant for the Mechanicus to turn out the way they did was just a byproduct and he went with it he just wanted to increase the technological prowess is his empire but wasn’t fully sure on what would happen with Plan A

they are from the dark age and earlier, so that would be while emps was hiding from humanity at large.

Or when you study quantum physics

As someone kind of newish to the deep lore I find the reactions people have to be sort of an IQ test as you describe perfectly.

And the most weird thing about this is the fact BigE despite being a prick isn't really selfish in his intentions as he clearly doesn't desire unlimited power. Given the fact he outright rejects God hood and unlimited power as soon as he learned humanity would be obliterated if he decided to go through with it. Which kinda puts BigE in a weird spot as his clearly a dick but at the same time he also isn't a lier when he sais his genuinely doing it for humanity. He even admitted he was wrong in the End of the Death, and didn't want to bullshit himself in to think he wasn't wrong he admitted it was all on him and didn't try to put the blame on the traitors (accept for Magnus for obvious reasons) as he was willing to take responsible for his fuck ups and if he can hopefully fix his mistake and make things right or die trying. The Emperor didn't need to go on the Throne, hack he could have died there and there and he could have either become a God or just reincarnate somewhere else in the galaxy likely slightly more powerfull due to the amount of warp energy he would consume like when you really examin the Emperor's options he legit had nothing to lose and everything to gain all he really had to do was sell out Humanity if he was really that power hungry and could have obliterated chaos and raind as the new undisputed God of the Warp for a mother 60 million years but didn't as you guessed it him being God he would destroy the Human race. So it's clear BigE believes his doing the right thing and believes all the pain and suffering his created would be worth it in the End even if it means he has to suffer and bleed for 10 thousand years if it helps humanity out in the End. The best way to explain BigEs morality is that his lawfully neutral, in the sense he doesn't care what he has to do of it means humanity comes out on top in the End, he doesn't really care about himself because in his mind no sacrifice is to small and if he has to end up in the same meat grinder he created he would with out hesitation. He sees the primachs and the mechenicus as tools which is fucked up but he also sees himself the same exact way. It doesn't mean his good his a massively dick and narrative wise that what makes the setting prettier great and he doesn't have to be honestly. But I'm just glad he isn't a cliche "Alkshuly his secretly Evil your so stupid for thinking other wise, hurr durr XD" and I'm just glad it isn't black and White as what made 40k good is the fact everybody in the setting genuinely believes there on the right and doing the right thing. From the most dickish of traitor primachs to even BigE himself and you can both critic that notion and really question them well at the same time also see eye to eye with them and see where there coming. And when you really think about it's really ironic that BigE is the most un selfish dare I see even selflis 40k character who's motivations are pretty benevolent as he genuinely believes his doing the right thing also happens to be the most dickish, the most cruel and all around prick character in the setting to bring those motivations in to full fruishin. I'm not meat riding him as I don't really like the Emperor at all but i just wanted to bring this up as I find it intristing.

And the dragon is mentioned in one of the endings. Specifically, its potential awakening.