WHAT IS UP WITH CANCEL CULTURE || Cognitive Dissonance with Extroverted Feeling 

For anyone who watched(is watching) and uncomfortable with the connection to Fe: this is likely due to a definitional understanding of Fe. I am not talking about the harmony-seeking Fe that is described by general MBTI. I am talking specifically about the Extroverted Feeling of the Objective Personality system described as the group morals (yes, my connection is that simple and that limited). Cancel culture is integrally morally rooted and because there are so many different ideas of what is moral, Cancel Culture is a result and perpetuation of cognitive dissonance in our society. Not necessarily on the individual level. I'm talking specifically about the group morals of society. That being said, Cancel Culture is a symptom of the cognitive dissonance, not the cause. I may not have stated this perfectly clearly, but I am simply trying to use MBTI as a way to discuss where the cognitive dissonance stems from (in this case, group morals), and the consequences of this dissonance.

Spoiler: She doesn't know.

I think if people admitted their hipocrisy and learned how to live by it cancel culture wouldn't be a thing. Not saying that people who got canceled did not made mistakes, but usually their mistakes are far from being so bad that can't be talked over instead of trying to eject the person out of the internet. Mistakes are part of human learning - be it at math or how to become a better person - if we keep on canceling instead of teaching everyone's gonna be canceled sooner or later. What's really cringe to me is that being canceled can literally change nothing in your life if you're already someone financially stabilished that doesn't depend on your internet image to live, or it can throw the person under a bridge (contracts broken, new opportunities denied, etc), and that's what gets me the most, because if someone say or do something wrong, I don't see that same person thinking "Oh I should do better" after having her or his life screwed by bunch of internet judges.

As a high Fe user, Fe is the opposite of cancelling someone for doing a mistake or having a contrary opinion. Literally. We try to understand everyone. I only ‘door slam’ abusers, and it’s a healthy psychological protective measure. Still, if a person changes for the better, I am very forgiving... Actually, even if the person doesn’t.

I personally agree to this. As an ENTJ, My Fe Demon cannot stand the idea of cancel cuture so much. It would have been just fine if it's all fun and games but as someone loses their entire life and hard earned career just because they forgot to include a syllable, or used the wrong pronouns, or with just a simple "offending" sentence online that they obviously grew out of and even apologized for genuinely? It's seriously not worth it. It's extremely frustrating when you get caught in the mob too. One time, I had this conversation with an Fe parent, she doesn't bother to use her Ti much because she usually ask me shit to back up her own beliefs which I doubt she ever actually own in the first place. When I was trying to tell her a sensitive time of my life which I only talk about to people I trust. I started with, “I think I lost my virginity, I'm not sure.” She went "Oh my god, I can't believe you still use that virginity word.” And then I tried asking where did that outburst came from. And then she continued with a rant of how Christians just made that up to oppress women of their own sexuality because it was used as basis of decency for women, or even a trophy for men, and whoever uses that word is sexist so I should stop using it too. I definitely don't agree because for one, I am not sexist for knowing what the word meant and for using it with a proper context, without mocking you if you ever had sex or not. Second, it's the concept that oppressed them, not the exact word that has a simple meaning and just got caught up in the oppressing behaviors of people, who thinks it's fun to use sexual experience as a basis of being "in". Me or people in that matter who just use the word as it is for expressing what we are trying to express with it's convinience has the liberty to do it. She went “I can't even with you right now, I don't understand why we are arguing about this, you got oppressed by your religious background too.” and I'm like, "Yeah stupid. That's why I know when I am being oppressive or not." And then I tried asking her if she ever actually got oppresed by the word we were talking about and said no, but she had a friend who felt very oppressed for being called a virgin. So that's why she doesn't want me to use the word around her. I just agreed to not use it around her and apologized for calling her stupid because I know her love language couldn't take words like those. But when she asked me to continue with what I was about to share to her earlier, she already lost the safe aura so I refused to talk about that traumatic experience I had, just because she wants to eradicate a word from the dictionary for the wrong reasons, and think everyone else who uses it is horrible. Deep breaths. Anywho, you had a very nice anecdote. I loved how you applied objective psychology into social issues like this.

Step 1: Define what it means to be "cancelled". A lot of the cases are people claiming to be victims of "cancel culture" that built entire careers on being controversial or antagonistic. Others equate any criticism to being canceled. Keeping the term relatively ambiguous allows it be more easily exploited. You are absolutely right that we are more connected than ever and (for some reason) had the extra time to take in and reflect on our individual values over the last year. I also agree that we have to co-exist with lots of different personality types. Whether we want to classify those by MBTI, enneagrams, big 5, conservative/liberal or whatever; it is just the fact of living in a society. That said, we need to elevate the voices of people that are affected by speech in any form designed to degrade them. Keep in mind that one person's opinion has the ability to form the opinions of millions. As an interconnected society this becomes even more important in providing an environment of equity and inclusiveness where people are able to flourish by being given the autonomy to define who they are instead of allowing others to determine that for them. I think it is telling that the people considering themselves "cancelled" are still able to find platforms. Their real issue is they don't have the same reach because they have been forced into these fringe pockets where their audiences already have an affinity for the same opinions.

I have a few things I want to say on this topic, so this might be a long comment: First, I think it's great that you bring up the connected-ness of the world right now. Because even if people life in different countries, they can meet on online platforms and create their own culture online. There is a channel called "Idea Channel" that brought up the thought that maybe the internet has different "dialects" or "accents" depending on what sites you're on. I think something similar is happening to the major social media pages and forums. They're becoming their own "Countries" online. What Twitter thinks is a Bannable offense is going to be looked at very differently on 4chan for instance. Maybe some people are on all kinds of different sites, but I do think that most people that use the internet frequantly have an internet "homeland" where they feel like the belong the most. And I think because of this, a persons "Tribe Morals" are going to be influenced both by their actual IRL homeland and culture, but that culture is also going to be refracted through and affected by the lens of the Website. Some people might think that we can reach a "fully calibrated unianimous set of morals" for the internet, but I don't think that's ever going to happen. And so you have these instances of people being "cancelled" for all kinds of different reasons. Some people more rightfully so (imo obviosly), but some people will be cancelled for more frivolous, or less Clear reasons. Mob mentality is a very real thing, and it might be even worse on the internet. Someone who might not actually Be a white supremacist for instance, might fall in with a group of people who are, and then slowly pull that person to their side through echo-chamber arguments. And once you're IN one of those groups, how are you Ever going to leave without being "Cancelled"? You're either going to get cancelled by the group you leave, Or by someone who finds out about your involvement in that group. It's basically one Mob of people against another Mob of people, and then some people are caught in the middle. And that's also why I thinkt it's great that you bring up the Fact that people change. No one is set in stone no matter how much they might "want" to be. Humans live very long lives (hopefully), and through the process of living, go through all kinds of changes. Having studied Cognitive Science, I've learned quite well how the brain works, and even if the brain is more Plastic and changeable when you're a kid, major events are still going to affect your brain chemistry and therefore your view on things. Things like becoming a parent, or losing a loved one at a young age, or overcoming a terrible illness will definitely change you. It changes your view on life, and - because of changes to your brain chemistry - quite literally makes you a different person. I think a lot of people who are for and a part of cancel culture are etiher Young so they haven't lived enough of life to experience the changes people go through; Or they have a very strong - almost Unmovable - idea of what is right and wrong. Maybe the first and second category overlap a lot, and maybe they're born because of moral echo chambers on different forums, but I absolutely think that the Cancel Culture Proponents don't believe that people Can change. OR they just think that there are Some crimes that are too horrendus to be forgiven, but the moral threshold of what constitutes an Unforgivable Offense seems to be very personal. Or at least very contained within One idea or philosopy or culture. The culture of That particular Internet Nation. I think Open and Honest communication truly is the best way of going about these sorts of changes, and I definitely agree with your closing statement. Thank you for making this video, it's really cool to hear about and have these interesting discussions! (INFJ here. Maybe I'm a bit biased x)

Yes girl! Empathy is the most important thing when working with other people. Like you said, you can't force people to agree with you; you can only love them and share your views. They may or may not respond- that's not your responsibility. I think real change happens through relationships and open-minded conversations that involve a lot of listening and reflection. Thank you for being willing to have THIS conversation 🤗 Obv all of this is just my perception lol 🤷‍♀️ Also you look SO CUTE IN YOUR YELLOW AND PURPLE!!!!!!!!!! (That is not my opinion, that is FACT) I need to learn more about cognitive dissonance because I don't even know what that is 🤣

I think you are definitely onto something with the cognitive dissonance idea. It’s very much like the Keynesian vs Hayek economic debate. Economics is just the study/anticipation of human behavior on a macro scale as a function of cooperation within a market system. Which is the technical jargon for “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

Hi Michelle! I hope you're doing great! I liked your video a lot! I believe cancel culture has more to do with Extroverted Thinking than with Extroverted Feeling, because Extroverted Feeling has to do with promoting and mantaining social cohesion and harmony, and cancel cuture is exactly the opposite of that. People stop thinking objectively and start believing that other people cannot speaking their minds if what they think goes against the "reasons of the tribe". It is kind of a huge groupthink. People simply hear or read about a "wrong opinion" and instead of respecting the fact that every person is different, they want everbody to conform. The reason why I'm not a libertarian is exactly because people can think and feel so differently that without a common set of laws applicable to everybody, violence and loss of social cohesion would be impossible. Cancel culture is a kind of parallel state undermining democracy itself. No one is obbligated to like a determined person, but without denouce or a formal accusation and due process, we should be ok with simply not talking with that person, not being at the same place (if possible), rather than trying to destroy that person's life. That's what being civilized means to me. Since people's morals aren't necessarily equal to society, what a person considers negative isn't necessarily the same as what another person considers, so it is impossible to never say anything negative according to others. "Love your neighbor as yourself" can be considered negative by a person who doesn't believe in the 10 Commandments. Without a pre-established set of principles, one cannot be punished because of what another person happens to believe or feel. People have their own individual cognitions, so cognitive dissonance is individual, which is different from disagreement among different people. Without freedom of speech, people either submit to the group against their will, or become hypocrites to avoid backlashes, and neither is healthy. That said, I think that as you beautifully said that we can work together, and cancel culture prevents people from working together, from having honest discussions, cancel culture is objectively bad. An INTP friend here. Have a great day, Michelle!

Thanks for bringing this up and getting a discussion going! I think it's on a lot of people's minds these days. Especially thinking about families with vastly differing viewpoints. You're right in being curious about other's viewpoints, meeting people where they're at, but still don't have to agree necessarily. There has to be nuance in these situations and it's a tough thing to do sometimes. It's a good thing to start having these sorts of conversations. Thanks for your video!!

I enjoyed this so much haha, the attempt to connect cancel culture to a cognitive function was fun to watch.

That shirt is dope. I had to put on sunglasses. Great vid btw :)

Well said, level-headed and analytical. I've never given cancel culture much thought, other than that it's good to get the Bill Cosbys and Harvey Weinsteins out of the picture. Who knows, maybe I'll end up worrying about it more when I get bigger.

Great and very important video, Michelle👏🏻

Fe constricts Fi, as Te constricts Ti. Fe and Te can also be used to bring individuals together. People who don't use much any of those may be wary of one or both of them. The name "cancel culture" sounds bad. "Cancelling" someone means negating or diminishing the validity of their personal morals / opinions / values / thoughts, so their identity / person / essence. That could be considered a form of violence or injustice.

It's funny. I'd call myself fairly high on extroverted feeling - and I'm very willing to judge others' behavior as far as setting a boundary for myself - and make choices about what media I will entertain/friends I will keep, but I feel cancel culture as a whole is bunk. My greater feeling for the group, wrt art and artists especially, is that everyone needs to make a decision for themselves. I'd just like humans to get to place where we all agree that murder is wrong, stealing is wrong, what people look like and do sexually is their preference and none of anyone else's business, and that we should be trying to make sure everyone is fed and has a home? IMHO, we can argue about whether or not an author needs to shut the hell up once that's done. But I'm old. And tired. 🤣

Fascinating video, I agree with so much here. Very well done!

Excellent video. I have been saying for some time that we, as a society, need to work on perceiving and cultivating nuance and applauding people that find middle-ground at every level of discussion.

From my observations over the years, whether state, corporate or at the community level, "cancel culture" is not representative of the grass roots but from the top down. There is a huge divide between those who conform to state and corporate dictates, and those who reflect the cultural mores and norms of their local community. Polarization is at extremes on a global level that has not been seen in world history. How we tackle these issues on both the individual level and at the tribal level will determine where we go from here.

Like you said, people need to start accepting that not everyone is the same, and we don't all have the same values, or exact morals. I think 99.99% of the world agrees on the important things (like murder is wrong, etc). People need to calm down. Go meditate or something, lol! Cancel Culture is great until it GETS YOU! ;) Also need to think about the whole "divide and conquer" thing. It is alive and well in our society. People need to love each other more instead of finding what to hate in each other. Hate begets hate. Love begets love. People also need to learn to love themselves, because when we truly love ourselves (I'm not talking about being self-centered/selfish, I'm talking about caring about yourself and nurturing yourself and taking care of yourself) we have true love inside us to give to others. Not codependent love.

the concept of the world undergoing one big calibration is amazing. TED talk when? great delivery!

I enjoyed this video so much Michi 🖤

Infj here, and I agree with you so much. Great video concept!

When at collage I just couldn't always understand the ethics of the topic within the group.. and I just found it soooo frustrating.. annoying of what was right or wrong, even my tutor got annoyed just because I asked too many Qs..I respected the this is how it is..and their opinions,it was me that was called weird, strange Qs.. and in the end I was called a out the box thinker, I'm not , I just questioned the topic.

Like your Ne / FI take on this theme, really good analysis, a clear humanistic view, thank you 🙂

I just give people permission now to think whatever they want about me. They're gonna think it anyway so I might as well not be driven criminally insane trying to change it. Took me a long time to get here but I'm trying to live like this now. I think society goes too far with cancel culture much of the time for things people may have done 25+ years ago when they find out (depending on how severe it was of course). My opinion is this can be short sited. Are they the same person they were 25 years ago? I doubt it. People grow, mature (hopefully) and change over time. "Canceling" someone without any proof they still act or think in the way they once did in the present tense doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If there is still proof they are doing something crazy then that is another story. A lot of the time we are too quick to dismiss the wrongs of our heros and too quick to trash those we simply never liked in the first place. And don't even get me going on this whole likeable thing or ill get on my own soapbox lol. Sometimes a likeable person could do almost anything and get away with it and their fans would still come after anyone who says, wait. This just ain't right with metaphorical torches and pitchforks. We've all seen it online. The problem is for the most part, people see what they want to and that is colored by their own past, personality and intersectionality.

Good video. But I’d like a follow up as to how Te works with Fi, since you touch on how Ti works with Fe. This would solve a lot more of the puzzle.

This was a great topic Michelle, I really enjoyed it and you particularly opened my mind more about the idea of group values in this!

I think a lot of it is that group feeling becomes group reasons. Fe morphs into Te which is totally messed up.

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Enjoyed this!

why don't we just...cancel culture? like...all of it?

Michi, how old are you? You seem pretty wise. At the same time, you don't look older than 25. I love your bangs by the way.

I don't think Cognitive Dissonance applies here, as it is a phenomenon inside a person's head, not a group. Those within Cancel Culture (or CC) would have to hold beliefs against canceling someone for it to apply, but they show conviction that what they are doing is right. I think the actual causes of CC is their confusion about Morality, Ethics and Justice. Morality and Ethics here will be defined as done by the ancient Greeks. Morality is a set of rules that, when followed, can reduce or resolve conflicts in a group or society (e.g. age for marriage, whether meat from a certain animal can be eaten). Ethics is a subset of Morality that is universal and atemporal, a.k.a. necessarily in all societies and ages in order to prevent and resolve conflicts (e.g. inviolability of life, non-aggression pact). People of different moral systems can interact without conflicts if they remain consistent with Ethics, but that is not how CC interprets it. They seem to treat moral norms of their group as ethical values instead, hence why they insist of targeting people of other groups, or even of other societies. About Justice, the issue is in their principle of "Presumption of Guilt". An important part of a justice system, whether it is logical, personal or institutional, is that it should not adopt a principle that can be reliably used to condemn an innocent person (an injustice), as the justice system becomes dysfunctional and a potential perpetrator of injustice instead (a logical contradiction). Notably, if your personal justice system has such type of principle, an ill-intentioned party can exploit that to lead you to commit an injustice in their behalf. CC manifests the preference of not allowing a guilt person to go unpunished, following the "Presumption of Guilt" principle that allows them to be used by someone that just wants to harm someone he or she hates, rather than wanting to punish someone for an unjust act. Another Justice issue is that they see ideas and opinions as equivalent to actions when it comes to their sense of justice. A justice system must be reactive, a.k.a. only act in response to another act. Acting upon someone's ideas instead means being proactive, acting before a targeted act happens. The reason for the reactive principle is that a guilt sentence can carry with it an attack on someone's properties (and sometimes beyond that). If that attack is not in response to a prior act, then it is an aggression (initiation of violence), which violates the ethical principle of non-aggression pact and allows the justice system to perpetrate injustices in its name (making it logically contradictory). Now, if the people in CC knows all of it, then Cognitive Dissonance actually applies. I don't think they do, however. My impression is that their understanding of Morality, Ethics and Justice is undeveloped, leading them to miscategorize many things as unjust or unethical.

Oh I'm interested in this.🙂 I want to woch it last four shor.

beautifully said!

👏👏👏 yay nuance!

Very very informative content 👏 👏👏👏 please receive my bow of respect

Oh it's sooo vague your talking to too many people.😂 The ambiguity is intense. My feelings twords the words cancel culture are strongly negative. I think it's largely harmful as it's practiced. Cancel culture is a modern form of ostracism in which someone is thrust out of social or professional circles - whether it be online, on social media, or in person. Those who are subject to this ostracism are said to have been "cancelled". I don't feel good about it if I hear this behavior is becoming more common. I might feel differently if I could desid what should be canceled. 🤔

More videos like this please. While we are on the topic of cancel culture. What are your thoughts on this in regards to Pepe Le Pew, Peter Pan, Mrs Piggy? Or celebrates like Marilyn Manson and Eminem?

stop pretending people aren't individuals. :justdoit:

Oh yes, they are issues. Problematic issues.

I wouldn't say what you are attributing to Fe as actual Fe. I think it's other functions in concert.

Or it is an Fi run amok trying to get the tribe to follow him or her.

Fe does not equal cancel culture, it is the mother of cancel culture, there're so much more nonsense with this function to explore.