What kind of sander is best for finishing 

I’d go with a random orbital. The other ones are sometimes fixed gear orbitals that rip material off way too quickly.

@@BradAngove I had the same question. Thanks mate for the video and answer. Subscribing

Welcome aboard

I was about to ask. Thanks man.

That’ll do it, however, you may want to take a look at my video on how to remove the paint from your guitar. There are faster options than just sanding.

Or you can cut it short with a paint stripper. I had to remove some oil based a few days ago - it was a pain, taking hours so I used a stripper for the first time; made the job way shorter (but need protection: latex gloves, long sleeves, glasses, possibly respirator depending on the stripper - look online).

+chungaleta1234 thanks for watching.

Without reading past the first paragraph I will respond. The video is clearly about sanding finishes. Let me know when you manage to plane your clear coat flat for polishing...

Thank you.

You just wet it again and smack it against something to clean it and it’s good to go again.

I’m glad to hear it.

I think there may be some marginal difference in terms of efficiency, but not in terms of finish. When all is said and done, you can still technically get a smoother finish by hand with a sanding block than you can with any of these.

Brad Angove Oh ok. Yes I currently finish off all my clearcoats by hand. But I would use it to cut the orange peel down (that usually take me the longest to finish) on my flat panels then finish with a foam block.

+sam127001 Thanks Sam.

Mostly just because we have a good air supply in the shop and I dislike wrapping electrical cords around things when I put them away haha.

@@BradAngove 👍 Thanks!

There are a bunch of good ones. Mirka is one of the better known very high quality ones.

Dynabrade is another and i believe they make the sanders for Mirka.

@@marzsit9833-- Was going to say National Detroit. They were the standard "good" D.A. when I was bodyworking in the 80s. I see Dynabrade acquired them recently.

That's what I generally use it for.

It’s a dynabrade. I think I have one in my favorites in the amazon link in the description.

Brad Angove Will pneumatic harbor freight palm sander (the one that looks like the dyna) get me the same polish and finish end result dynabrade Will on a cars clear coat? Obviously the quality of the tool itself wont be as good. But will the result be the same? Is it like with spray guns where the end result IS DIFFERENT?

End result should be the same.

There's no Amazon link. :( Also checked Amazon, so many models available. What's the recommended one? Plan to use it mainly for buffing, and sanding.

If you go into the amazon link in the description (if it’s not in this video it’s in my newer ones), you will find my lists. I have two dynabrade sander options in both the painting equipment list and the woodworking tools list.

The wash probably raised the grain. Your best bet is to sand it smooth.

It’s probably $2200

+8BitLife I'm really not sure what kind it is. I'll see if I can figure it out next time I'm in the shop.

You may want to consider just using a sanding block if they’re reasonably small pieces.

Do whatever is comfortable for removing the finish. I often use circular for that aspect. For preparing the top offer ward you should sand in line with the grain.

Brad Angove thanks for the advice Brad. I'll go this route. Cheers from Montreal ;)

Cheers my friend.

@@DynamicRockers It would depend on the grain of the wood on the guitar. For the best finish on wood you go with the grain and that includes sanding. So that would mean using a sander that moves straight back and forward. Now that is probably not possible on your guitar so you more than likely are going to need to use a random orbital sander that will not leave a uniform sanding pattern that stands out from a mile away. By a vintage acoustic guitar do you mean it is something like a vihuela guitar that is of very high worth or do you mean it is a guitar that is say 60 years old. If it is a really valuable instrument you probably should go to a specialist with a good reputation.

Are you trying to remove the entire finish for a stain of some sort, or are you painting over them with an opaque color?

@@BradAngove First of all thank you for replying. I want to remove to paint due to the age and terrible paint job so I can repaint. I want to smooth the wood as well.

A handheld belt sander will remove material the fastest. A random orbital sander will give you a smooth finish. You may want to use both, in that order.

@@BradAngove thank you👍

Small compressors generally have trouble keeping up with that sort of tool.

Basically the last 2 sanders he shows are pnuematic orbital sanders. many sellers on amazon say they are dual action in the description, this is false, they are simply orbital, some have dual orbital action. read the reviews many buyers are using them to sand plastic car bumbers, etc so for auto body work read the reviews to see if it has worked for them. here are some recommended sanders this one is rated at 7cfm, on a 21 gallon compressor it is doable but the compressor will run a lot. I would recommend this for the price, low CFM rating, and reliability. shop vac can be attached to vaccum dust. uses hook and loop sanding discs CENTRAL PNEUMATIC® 6 In. Self-Vacuuming Orbital Palm Air Sander $32 www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-tools/6-in-self-vacuuming-orbital-palm-air-sander-60628.html --------------------------------- this is 14CFM@90 PSI, adhesive sanding discs CENTRAL PNEUMATIC® 6 In. Random Orbit Air Sander $47 www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-tools/6-in-random-orbit-air-sander-63178.html ------------------------------- this one is composite/plastic, it is light weight but very expensive, uses adhesive sanding discs: BAXTER 6 In. Professional Orbital Composite Sander $110 www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-tools/6-in-professional-orbital-composite-sander-64416.html ---------------------------- on amazon look up air sanders and find ones that look like the last 2 models and read their reviews, my recomendations are for Harbor freight because they have excellent return policies and they have extended warranties you can buy so if it breaks 2 years later you bring it back to the store and they will replace it

Many THANKS for your valuable input ! My compressor yealds 6.5CFM @ 40PSI and 5.1 CFM @ 90 PSI so... my choice is limited to Baxter and maybe your first one. BTW: orbital and Dual Action are same thing ! Dual Orbital is a misnomer for Dual Action... or orbital.

@@benoit.gerin-lajoie oh I see. I would get that $32 one, it has good reviews, as always if you get a bad one just exchange it before you give up.

A dual action sanders or a da sander is just a random orbital sander

I use a dynabrade random orbital sander.

@@BradAngove thanks for your reply. Could you please help me with the link of that machine so that I can purchase and try as an Pilot in my factory shop

@@BradAngove Because in that website I could see lots of brand. Could you please specify me which is exactly. www.dynabrade.com/dyn10/content.php?page=myind#woodworking

@@BradAngove The reason being, we have got different machine to carry out the sanding activity but when it comes to the finishing in sanding we end doing it up manually.

If you check the amazon link in the description, it has been added to the woodworking tools list in there.

Generally you would apply the wax by hand and then remove it with the buffer.

I don’t understand. What do you mean finishing a piece of felt? Felt is a fabric.

+Spiritual Onslaught I'm still on vacation, but it's been great so far.

Are you trying to remove old paint?

@@BradAngove I would like a sander to take off paint and gloss from kitchen cabinets and a wood piano.

@@BradAngove u can angle grander

That’s a more aggressive option that can do contours haha. Not good for finish sanding per se.

That depends. What are you trying to achieve? Are you pulling off the burn marks around the engraving, or trying to sand away the etching entirely? Also, what is the item?

Brad Angove thank you Brad! I’ve got to tell you are my wood hero(no pun intended) . I’ve been told a planer and a sander. Here is a pic of the piece.. they are about 30 cms tall wood prize that they’ve been all laser etched with images and wording. I try to achieve taking a layer out to get to a smooth surface again... can you see the image? Thank you for your response! ibb.co/kLvB1d

Wood hero hahaha. So many inappropriate jokes available. A jointer/plane is going to be your easiest option in that in order to keep a nice straight edge. Another alternative is to glue sheet of 150(ish) grit to a hard flat surface, and the hang move the piece against it like a lapping station.

Brad Angove gotta tell you that’s a great suggestion (the glued one) since I have zero experience with a planer and with a sander seems like a forever task! Too bad at my unoriginal joke.. :p couldnt’ miss the Chance..: you seem quite talented. Many thanks :-)

I just realized how many damn auto-correct issues my last reply had. Yikes; fat thumbs. Anyway, attaching the paper to a hard surface like that works quite well and is quite controllable. If you’re worried about losing square, you can use another board as a guide. It take much less experience than using a plane.

Dynabrade. I have it in the amazon link in the description of my videos.

Check the amazon link in the description. It’s the dynabrade.

@@BradAngove I don't see it, but Dynabrade was easy enough to find

Basically the last 2 sanders he shows are pnuematic orbital sanders. many sellers on amazon say they are dual action in the description, this is false, they are simply orbital, some have dual orbital action. read the reviews many buyers are using them to sand plastic car bumbers, etc so for auto body work read the reviews to see if it has worked for them. here are some recommended sanders this one is rated at 7cfm, on a 21 gallon compressor it is doable but the compressor will run a lot. I would recommend this for the price, low CFM rating, and reliability. shop vac can be attached to vaccum dust. uses hook and loop sanding discs CENTRAL PNEUMATIC® 6 In. Self-Vacuuming Orbital Palm Air Sander $32 www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-tools/6-in-self-vacuuming-orbital-palm-air-sander-60628.html --------------------------------- this is 14CFM@90 PSI, adhesive sanding discs CENTRAL PNEUMATIC® 6 In. Random Orbit Air Sander $47 www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-tools/6-in-random-orbit-air-sander-63178.html ------------------------------- this one is composite/plastic, it is light weight but very expensive, uses adhesive sanding discs: BAXTER 6 In. Professional Orbital Composite Sander $110 www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-tools/6-in-professional-orbital-composite-sander-64416.html ---------------------------- on amazon look up air sanders and find ones that look like the last 2 models and read their reviews, my recomendations are for Harbor freight because they have excellent return policies and they have extended warranties you can buy so if it breaks 2 years later you bring it back to the store and they will replace it

There isn’t really any notable difference in terms of how they perform if that’s what you mean. I just tend to like pneumatic because I’m always running air anyway, and I don’t need to piss around with having a power cord so it’s a bit easier to store.

Thanks, Brad- your video was quite helpful!

I’m glad to hear that.

Indeed.

julian jallo yes it does so that's why i have 3 dynabrade palm sanders with 3/32", 3/16" and 3/8" offsets. i used to do a lot of detailing on fiberglass boats with clear plastic windows so i became very good at wet-sanding and polishing gelcoat, plexiglas/acrylic/perspex and lexan windows. but i also did lots of wood trim sanding and varnishing and the same sanders were great for that as well.

I'm not sure. I've had it for ages and it doesn't have any info on it.

Basically the last 2 sanders he shows are pnuematic orbital sanders. many sellers on amazon say they are dual action in the description, this is false, they are simply orbital, some have dual orbital action. read the reviews many buyers are using them to sand plastic car bumbers, etc so for auto body work read the reviews to see if it has worked for them. here are some recommended sanders this one is rated at 7cfm, on a 21 gallon compressor it is doable but the compressor will run a lot. I would recommend this for the price, low CFM rating, and reliability. shop vac can be attached to vaccum dust. uses hook and loop sanding discs CENTRAL PNEUMATIC® 6 In. Self-Vacuuming Orbital Palm Air Sander $32 www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-tools/6-in-self-vacuuming-orbital-palm-air-sander-60628.html --------------------------------- this is 14CFM@90 PSI, adhesive sanding discs CENTRAL PNEUMATIC® 6 In. Random Orbit Air Sander $47 www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-tools/6-in-random-orbit-air-sander-63178.html ------------------------------- this one is composite/plastic, it is light weight but very expensive, uses adhesive sanding discs: BAXTER 6 In. Professional Orbital Composite Sander $110 www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-tools/6-in-professional-orbital-composite-sander-64416.html ---------------------------- on amazon look up air sanders and find ones that look like the last 2 models and read their reviews, my recomendations are for Harbor freight because they have excellent return policies and they have extended warranties you can buy so if it breaks 2 years later you bring it back to the store and they will replace it

It’s really not that simple. But feel free to try sanding finish with really fine paper on a belt sander if you want. I’ll just say I don’t recommend it.

I’m a cabinet builder for 35 years. Use a belt sander and Porter Cable random orbit practically every day. I use 180 grit on the bs because it cuts but not too aggressively. Same with orbital, they can be a cutting tool if that’s what you’re looking, but you’re the expert, I’m a mere novice with only 35 years pro experience.

he's right. I tried using the orbital sander for my car hood and with 400 grit it still leaves swirl marks. using finer grit is not the solution, it's not that easy, Brad is 100% correct. the type of sander is extremely important. your "pro experience" is towards wood, not metal or body work

eksine obviously you’ve never noticed the air powered orbital sanders that body shops use or neither of you would be making such statements. 400 grit is not fine when it comes to body work. I didn’t say my experience was exclusively in wood working. The quality of the paper you’re using also matters. Inexpensive paper doesn’t have well graded grit...meaning some particles may be larger than the stated grade. No orbital sander delivers swirl free sanding...you have to limit it’s appearance with finer grade abrasives or higher numbered abrasives. If you had worked your way through to a finer grit you would have diminished the obvious swirl marks in your car hood.

Louis, I don’t care if you’re using 5000 grit 3M trizact, if you use the wrong type of sander you’re still in for a rough go. Not sure what the point of your 180 example was. This video is clearly about sanding finishes. Not wood. Not metal panels. It doesn’t matter if you use a belt sander every day and get Mirka to custom make you a 4000 grit abralon belt, nobody would use that and there’s a good reason for that.

Why would I?

@@BradAngove because it is an extremely important question, your video is aimed at beginners. if you do not at least attempt to recommend specific models than you do not understand your viewer base. shame on you

The video is about types of sanders. It is completely reasonable for me not to endorse a specific brand or model if I don’t want to, and frankly I think it would be inappropriate for me to do so in these circumstances. As you said, the video is aimed at beginners. They don’t need the expensive professional grade model that I’m using, and I’m not going to endorse a cheap unit I’ve never used.

@@BradAngove I try to help people even if I don't have experience in it because by reading the reviews I can see if there's a lot of complaints or a lot of recommendations. My own experience means nothing compared to literally hundreds of reviews from other people. Anyways that's your way and that's just fine too, it just comes down to helping people research or just trying to help them in general. I mean you get asked this question over and over, it's very important to have something to say other than I don't know go figure it out yourself, from my opinion of course

I’m sure it’s got some completely logical name haha.

It’s a pneumatic dual action random orbital sander.

@@BradAngove can it be used for autobody work....like to cut down body filler and when yuh prime a vehicle can you use it to cut down primer..

Yes, you can use that type of sander for that.

@@BradAngove ok thanks..👊

Basically the last 2 sanders he shows are pnuematic orbital sanders. many sellers on amazon say they are dual action in the description, this is false, they are simply orbital, some have dual orbital action. read the reviews many buyers are using them to sand plastic car bumbers, etc so for auto body work read the reviews to see if it has worked for them. here are some recommended sanders this one is rated at 7cfm, on a 21 gallon compressor it is doable but the compressor will run a lot. I would recommend this for the price, low CFM rating, and reliability. shop vac can be attached to vaccum dust. uses hook and loop sanding discs CENTRAL PNEUMATIC® 6 In. Self-Vacuuming Orbital Palm Air Sander $32 www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-tools/6-in-self-vacuuming-orbital-palm-air-sander-60628.html --------------------------------- this is 14CFM@90 PSI, adhesive sanding discs CENTRAL PNEUMATIC® 6 In. Random Orbit Air Sander $47 www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-tools/6-in-random-orbit-air-sander-63178.html ------------------------------- this one is composite/plastic, it is light weight but very expensive, uses adhesive sanding discs: BAXTER 6 In. Professional Orbital Composite Sander $110 www.harborfreight.com/air-tools-compressors/air-tools/6-in-professional-orbital-composite-sander-64416.html ---------------------------- on amazon look up air sanders and find ones that look like the last 2 models and read their reviews, my recomendations are for Harbor freight because they have excellent return policies and they have extended warranties you can buy so if it breaks 2 years later you bring it back to the store and they will replace it

What’s a household sander?

Something sold at a general hardware store.

Can’t you get a hook and loop DA sander at the hardware store? Maybe not I guess.

I think you can but they're very uncommon, at least here in NZ anyway. Most sanders available are wood orientated i.e. household

The video is about what kind of sander is best, so I covered the different kinds. You can select whatever brand you want. The last one is a dynabrade if you’re curious.