What might ChatGPT mean for higher education?

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What is ChatGPT and what might it mean for higher education?
In this special Future Trends Forum session we'll collectively explore this new technology. How does the chatbot work? How might it reshape academic writing? Does it herald an age of AI transforming society, or is it really BS?
Experts who joined us on stage includes Brent A. Anders, Rob Fentress, Philip Lingard, John Warner, Jess Stahl, and Anne Fensie.
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The Future Trends Forum is a weekly discussion event created and hosted by Bryan Alexander. Since 2016 we have addressed the most powerful forces of change in academia. Each week, this video chat brings together practitioners in the field to share their most recent work and experience in education and technology. The intent of the Forum: to advance the discussion around the pressing issues at the crossroads of education and technology.
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@newmoneymarcus Год назад

I started using Chatgbt over the weekend I noticed right away it takes critical thinking to use it. If you have historical knowledge or are a subject matter expert it becomes more fun. I’m working on a marketing project based on the best marketing books written in the 1940s. I picked these books because I’ve read them and I’m aware of the brilliance of these books. If I didn’t have this knowledge Chatgbt couldn’t help me. The whole experience is fascinating.

@wizardatmath Год назад

Top 3 on the Reading list... 🙏

@newmoneymarcus Год назад

@@wizardatmath Start with FIRST HUNDRED MILLION by E. Haldeman Julius

@CallMeDr.T. Год назад

True.

@robertkitchinjr Год назад

This kind of tool will only proliferate and improve, so understanding how to live with it to improve learning is important.

@ndzimu-unamiemmanuelmoyo2028 Год назад

Phew, I wanted to sleep at 3am here in Johannesburg South Africa but it's now 4am and my, this was a lovely session. Thank you so so much.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

Thank you so much, Ndzimu.

@CallMeDr.T. Год назад

Extremely helpful discussion. Thank you.

@mptur2007 Год назад

Already a month old and still quite relevant. LOL Thank you and hope to see more of these discussions. As a new principal of a school of a school this ongoing discussion will continue to be very important.

@mptur2007 Год назад

One of last comments just reminded me of the A. S Neill Summerhill School!

@BryanAlexander Год назад

@@mptur2007 Another Summerhill fan here.

@enduringwave87 Год назад

What does LOL had to do in your comment above? It's so cringy now that everyone has to insert this LOL thing in their messages/comments even if their isn't anything funny at all and even if the entire topic under debate/discussion is on a serious note and not funny at all.

@daretobegreat3124 Год назад

At minute 24:24 a very critical point is made. When graduates go out into the work force, employers want them to be most effective and efficient and will prefer the employee who is a master in working with AI than the one who relies on their personal knowledge and skills.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

Which leads to the question: how many classes should teach working with AI?

@nickshaw5629 Год назад

@@BryanAlexander Pretty much all of them. 4 years of undergrad getting a BS in Geophysics and math minor, plus 12 months of grad school before I left... and I'm hard pressed to think of a class where it wouldn't have been beneficial.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

@@nickshaw5629 A very different curriculum emerges!

@nickshaw5629 Год назад

@@BryanAlexander remove the concept of classes, let the AI develop a bespoke curriculum around the individual, create the lesson plan and instruction, identify strengths and weaknesses of the student, AND objectively identify what the student enjoys, and start guiding the student towards a specialization that plays to their strengths and sense of fulfillment. Just a thought.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

@@nickshaw5629 That's what happens in that Neal Stephenson novel. It's called "The Young Lady's Illustrated Primer." I've been anticipating something like this for years. Everything you say, plus: -incorporates real-world examples, like math or language used around the learner -can nudge and encourage the learner

@n3xsq841 Год назад

Thank you for doing this. I'm a grad student and using Chat regularly to tighten up my writing. However, were i a junior high or high school student I would be extremely tempted to use the tool to frankly do my work for me - at this time there are few ways to cross examine at those levels. Thin edge of the wedge, or a brave new world - absolute toss up at this time.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

Good point, N. We should expect more students to use ChatGPT as a writing tool.

@amlaaaa479 Год назад

How do you use it to tighten up your writing?

@BryanAlexander Год назад

@@amlaaaa479 Personally, I haven't. But I can imagine two ways: 1) Ask ChatGPT to write something, then compare it to what you've written. 2) Submit some paragraphs to ChatGPT and ask it to revise.

@cdnsilverdaddy Год назад

you still need a good foundation of basics

@sMVshortMusicVideos Год назад

An application of AI class would be awesome!

@keveng8232 Год назад

In school I used mathematical tables in a book and a slide rule, when calculators became available, schools, including universities prohibited use of them in class.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

That's the precedent I keep returning to.

@clc2432 Год назад

Instead of using ineffective anti-plagarism apps, the best verification would be an in class essay to compare the writing style of each student. It is a slippery slope from spell check to grammar check to autofill -- as a gradual automation of individual thought expression.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

In class and offline?

@KerryJ Год назад

What an incredibly valuable discussion. Thanks so much, Bryan and the rest of the panel. I will be subscribing to this channel and the Future Trends Forum.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

Thank you very much, Kerry. The Forum community is amazing. How do you see ChatGPT impacting your own work?

@KerryJ Год назад

@@BryanAlexander As an Educational Designer, I'm doing a re-think of the activities I design and suggest. I always try to include a compelling "reason why" that includes academic and professional goals the student is likely to have. And ensure that all formative and summative activities are constructively aligned to learning objectives that are well-written and help students see the value in their commitment of time and effort in undertaking a course.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

@@KerryJ Excellent practices all around, especially sharing the reasons why students do the work.

@redbaron07 Год назад

Well for one it gives academics something new to pontificate about! :)

@audrabee1125 Год назад

Jess's comments at the end are so ON POINT. Brava!

@Toadyer Год назад

Informative discussion, thanks for sharing.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

Welcome, Kyle.

@pequodexpress Год назад

I told G3 I was disappointed that it had written a comma-splice in its response. It apologized and provided a revised draft with the comma-splice corrected.

@MrSendaikenpo Год назад

Thank you for this fascinating meander through some of the issues around AI and HE.

@sebjak76 Год назад

Great material! Best from Poland!

@dr.carollanglois1672 Год назад

Jesse is amazing!!! WOW

@DavidPace Год назад

Removes barriers to a whole new level of comprehension

@robfentress1421 Год назад

Bravo for pronouncing my name correctly, by the way, Bryan!

@BryanAlexander Год назад

You're welcome, but how to people say it wrongly?

@williamscottharkey Год назад

Bryan, what’s the Chrome plug-in you mentioned? Many thanks. Great discussion.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

"ChatGPT for Google," William. And thank you!

@VanessaVaile Год назад

@@BryanAlexander, no sound so I couldn't hear. Too bad there isn't one for Shindig. Extensions was the first place I looked when audio went south. Chromebook doesn't do downloads, just extensions. The reminds me to check back to see if there is one. PS please include names of guests in YT write-up since they are not displaying on the YT screen.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

@@VanessaVaile Have you pinged Shindig about the Chrome issue? I'll get on the guest names now.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

@@VanessaVaile The guests' names should be there now.

@sirishgreen Год назад

I think you are missing the point here. With Chat GPT there is no need to learn this stuff at University. Just like the calculator, we don't use it because we can't count, we use it because it is more accurate and faster than us. Chat GPT will be faster and more accurate than most people on the planet on any subject. Chat GPT will be our base knowledge not what we learn at university. This is not a problem with grading but a complete shift in the learning paradigm.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

Having AI be our new teaching node is one vision. (Ever read Neal Stephenson's Diamond Age? Great example there.) Yet you mentioned the calculator, sirishgreen . That didn't end up reducing math classes - just changing them.

@Uduwerage Год назад

If we embrace Chat GPT as an opportunity it has the potential to enhance education and especially higher education. True understanding is demonstrated through he application of the ideas/principles and so I see AI as a springboard for a greater learning experience.

@BeautifulEarthJa Год назад

Having a calculator doesn't mean a child should not learn how to multiply first....

@OfAngelsAndAnarchist Год назад

@@BryanAlexander it changed them to become about learning about how to use the calculator. But this is… a step beyond that.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

@@BeautifulEarthJa True. That's what we learned in the 1970s and 80s.

@noorieiversen Год назад

I think eventually they will connect our brains to this AI information, we will have access directly to all we need to know.

@modalediamond5280 Год назад

It seems there’s intense anxiety within academics. Professors and educational organisations are worried about salaries and revenues.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

This is very true.

@nah131 Год назад

Because education is a form of business not for the sake of knowledge but for the sake of making money. AI will change and disrupt this kind of greedy business model.

@pequodexpress Год назад

So, ChatGPT has been available to the public in its current form since about the middle of December 2022?

@davidmarquez2821 Год назад

Perhaps AI will make it so that each student can learn at their desired pace. But a little after that AI may replace 90% of all jobs and then degrees will be basically a sport, but not for getting a good paying job.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

That is definitely one possible scenario for automation (AI + robotics). I think that might let the academic humanities return. It's also possible that automation causes new jobs to appear, like AI ethicist and generative media framer. Third option: automation is great, but we decide humans must be in the loop. Think of self-driving cars, which need a human driver for circa 1-10% of the time. (Fourth option: we freak out and go full Butlerian jihad (Frank Herbert))

@MrSendaikenpo Год назад

@@BryanAlexander Dune references are always appreciated :-)

@BryanAlexander Год назад

@@MrSendaikenpo Only by those with exquisite taste and discernment.

@CallMeDr.T. Год назад

Wow, yes... "we are so resource constrained" that the work that works cannot be done.

@charlesb23 Год назад

Late to this party. I agree with Rob Fentress and I use ChatGPT in the same fashion in algebra classes I teach

@garrulus3399 Год назад

What would Adorno say?

@dannyroberts7118 Год назад

Really loving the discussion, is there a transcript of the session? Thanks. If not I was planning on writing several of the sections.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

Thank you, danny. No, the software doesn't generate a transcript yet. But I do have the unasked questions and the chat transcript here: bryanalexander.org/future-trends-forum/chatgpt-and-higher-education-last-week-and-this-week/

@NecessaryTangent Год назад

RU-vid automatically created a transcript for this video. Click the 3 dots next to the 'share' button under the video.

@cixnoo Год назад

Thank you for very interesting and open minding conversation. I'm student from Croatia and i find this (and Your whole chanell very interesting). Best regards! :)

@BryanAlexander Год назад

Thank you, and welcome!

@jjjccc728 Год назад

I question the value of putting equity as number one consideration in education. I think being effective, competent, intelligent, hard-working, conscientious, creative and wise is more important. If you can have both great. If you can't then equity should be placed lower.

@CharlesBrown-xq5ug Год назад

Can ChatGPT prove or disprove the Second Law of Thermodynamics? Arguing that it is true by considering that heat is analogous to water in a pumped storage energy reserve is not sound because heat is based on molecular kinetic energy not the flow of philogisten, an invisible fluid as believed in ~1800.

@ThinkTurkey Год назад

Can someone summarize the learnings and points from this video - so we can read a summary perhaps? Or can ChatGPT watch videos and summarize? :D

@Clasticon73i Год назад

yeah check out whisper. then copy past the output from that into chat GPT and tell it to make a summery

@ThinkTurkey Год назад

@@Clasticon73i 👋😅

@DrJanpha Год назад

I tried it and it was awesome 👌

@dubliners0999 Год назад

At my community college, our policy on academic misconduct covers anything not written by the student themselves. I rewrote that to be more specific for my own course policies. My spring semester started over a week ago and guess what? Already busted one student for using ChatGPT to write her work. She now has a zero and a write up with my college for academic misconduct. I also posted an announcement to my LMS reiterating that students need to write their own materials, use of AI has penalties, instructors are using AI detectors, and that a student in our class has already been written up. Of course, I did not get more specific, but I'm hoping this scare tactic will discourage a few students from trying this.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

H., which class are you teaching?

@MCshaneization Год назад

How did you figure out the student used chat gpt?

@freddfezzo8524 Год назад

There are too many ways to fool a detector now and more to come, no matter how good the detector is!..sorry

@aliendelivery Год назад

I think all schools should allow or even encourage students to use ChatGPT to write essays because when all students use ChatGPT, it will be easy to see who is lazy and who has done a lot of research and critical thinking. Compared with traditional writing, writing with ChatGPT simply gives students an easy start but how students expand on that start requires reading/editing skills and creativity.

@BeautifulEarthJa Год назад

Yep.

@marcsheep Год назад

Perfect! It also levels the field because those that use AI to game the system and are clever enough to not be caught will have an unacceptable advantage.

@ieimagine Год назад

How about in class essay writing !

@BryanAlexander Год назад

As an alternative to writing between classes?

@garrygrant2394 Год назад

If higher education was generally still of higher standard I'd say its less of a threat, but judging by the outflow of graduates over the past decade it is almost as it they don't 'think' anymore. They are incapable of formulating their own opinions or holding intelligent debate having no clue what assumptions the third party opinion was based on. Machines don't think hence humans only true differentiator is our ability to think. Unfortunately this is something most graduates seem to be outsourcing. Imagine outsourcing your thinking?

@BryanAlexander Год назад

Garry, do you think we could use ChatGPT etc. to improve higher ed?

@garrygrant2394 Год назад

@@BryanAlexander Yes I do. I believe in the coming years, it will be crucial that we re-imagine our education system in order to prepare students for the future. We must give them the tools to understand and work with systems, including AI, as a tool rather than a black box. This requires emphasis on creative and critical thinking, as well as strong communication skills for human-human and human-AI interactions. The potential of this new approach is limitless, but it is important to remember that tools like ChatGPT should be used with a deep understanding of their limitations and assumptions. Only then can we fully harness its potential.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

@@garrygrant2394 Good thoughts. This video that we're discussing is part of a series which has been trying to explore that reimagining. The Future Trends Forum has been going - weekly - for almost seven years now.

@edgeman148 Год назад

Education should not have to depend on financial support from commercial entities/systems, in my opinion.

@Uduwerage Год назад

The genie is out of the bottle and ChatGPT cannot be put back. Within academia we can either embrace and exploit the benefits that this brings, or we can go the way of the dodos. Personally, I am changing my assessments.

@FREELEARNING Год назад

I believe that Chat GPT is a great liar. It can generate well written things that seems very fluent, very good written. But most of the time it hallucinate. The simple way of using it now, is to ask it to give some ideas than adapt them, and correct them a little bit to owes personal needs. It is kind of making the process of writing fast. In 10s you can get a first draft of what you want to write. Conserning teeching my feer is this scenario: "GPT will be chatting with himself i.e students use it to write things and teachers use it to give feedback"😅

@BryanAlexander Год назад

Lying or bullshit. Yet we can use it to aid writing?

@FREELEARNING Год назад

@@BryanAlexander Of course. It is useful, it makes writing a first draft faster.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

@@FREELEARNING Which is a new thing. We already have tools to sharpen our current writing -spellcheck, grammar check, plagiarism, etc. Now ChatGPT is a starting tool.

@nickshaw5629 Год назад

@@BryanAlexander And its so much more if you know how to use it. It writes functional code in any programming language you need it to. Know what you need in Excel and can verbalize it, but don't know how to craft the function? GPT has your back. In IT? With proper guidance, it can do mid-level network engineering and Cloud Computing administration. I've used it for all of the above at work. Today, I brainstormed back and forth with it to create a unique hard magic system in the Brandon Sanderson style. In about 30 minutes, we bounced back and forth ideas, came up with a really compelling system, expanded on it, GPT helped me codify the abilities, rules and limitations of the magic system. Then, with me providing a setting, some light backstory, and an instruction to write a fight scene that would demonstrate the abilities and limitations (show, don't tell) to the reader, had it write up a pretty decent action sequence, which after some tweaking, easily rivaled some of the popular YA authors out there. We are working on a fully fleshed out first act plot now. And I use "We" very intentionally.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

@@nickshaw5629 I love the idea of GPT-assisted fantasy novels.

@gregnixon1296 Год назад

I know first-hand that high schoolers who use ChatGPT are like cats who paw at jello.

@miz6294 Год назад

The government should find ways to address the potential dangers of AI. It sucks this tech companies or this technology keep dictating our lives and where the one to adjust and not everyone can adjust to this kind of technology, government need to impose necessary restrictions or limitations. It's crazy that AI can now create art just like artists do, and it's causing some artists to feel depressed and unmotivated. I tried to be open minded in it but it's just hard it's like this Ai tech enthusiast prefer Ai over human. I Know human is not perfect but..I really wanna draw Art and make a living and now Ai is million times better than me.

@miz6294 Год назад

As an artist I believe this Ai is insulting in human life itself 😢 I still keep drawing art's though but it's sad.

@psyfiles7351 Год назад

Wonder how long it will be free

@BryanAlexander Год назад

Good question, Psy. Perhaps a freemium model, like Midjourney?

@miz6294 Год назад

Do you heard about art created by Ai wins art contest? A contest for human artist..a lot of artist piss about it, its super crazy the judge's and the people who held the contest letting this happen and they aware about it what are they thinking off?..to me it's like alien invasion to the next level it supposed to be exclusively for human, Truly an insulting to humanity itself. And the guy who responsible for the Ai art posted it in the reddit and so proud of it, a freaking psychopath to the next level this kind of people are danger to society.

@spinsaw Год назад

Why cant education be more functional and more practical? where we skip the filler theoretical content and skip to the bits that would be needed to prepare you tomorrow in your specific career. For example if I'm taking a class on computer science do I really need to provide a 3000 word essay on 'how computers impact society'.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

A classic question. American education has been arguing over this for decades. Perhaps now you can find your practical path by taking individual classes online and getting microcredentials for your progress.

@KerryJ Год назад

However, understanding how computers impact society could help in certain roles. It's all about context. Is your goal to solve societal problems using computer science or coding as a tool? Even if it isn't, consider that creators and programmers of AI have to take the "softer sciences" into consideration - impact on society, education, the inherent biases, etc. - not just churn out code.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

@@KerryJ Excellent point. How to think about the users - the human element? We have whole bodies of knowledge on that score.

@Ricky_Baldy Год назад

Because education has a broader scope than simply preparing students for a given career. It's a personal development as much as anything else.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

@@Ricky_Baldy A powerful view. American higher ed swings like a pendulum between those two understandings.

@n.b.4125 Год назад

We're not going to get more learning in institutions of higher learning. We are going to get less learning and more credentialing and signaling as these spaces continue on their path to full corporatization.

@BryanAlexander Год назад

N.B., how do you see generative AI powering the dark process you describe?

@sommmeguy Год назад

The problem with AI is that it isn't AI. It does not "think for itself", it scrapes data and mixes and matches chunks of test to make reasonable sounding answers. Play for an hour and you soon learn it has no insight and no originality. It is good at producing college papers, because that is what it was made to do (which says more about our system of higher learning than AI). Ask it hard questions and it replies with mediocre fence-sitting verbiage. I hope the class action law suit for copyright violation is successful because this cheating machine has to be stopped before it infects the real world.

@DrFurb Год назад

There is going to be a tonne of job losses and instead of marvelling at this technology, we should be concerned. Very concerned.

@freddfezzo8524 Год назад

If nothing else it certainly democratizes plagiarism. The poor will not have to pay anyone to write

@miz6294 Год назад

This Ai can create fake news and false information.

@lokisinary Год назад

Q1. what are the reasons students are using ai help instead of asking the teacher? Ans: my experience is that most teachers lack the creative ideas and teaching practices to teach the students how to think and give students ideas and knowledge a structure. most teachers don't care about students they care about their job and salary. why is that, because the institute environment is all about earning money and maintaining the institute's reputation.