What Needs to Happen for the Kenobi Show to Work 

You're just nitpicking and biased. I win, bye bye

My only concern is that the show was delayed because they thought the original script was too dark and grim, and that it had to be rewritten. Like, what?!? A show about a broken man trying to survive and protect the galaxy's last hope, believing he failed everyone he ever cared about, and being on the run from dark side soldiers specifically trained to hunt Jedi should be dark and grim?? Perish the thought! This is the House of Mouse!

I have come from the future to say, it went wrong, it went horribly wrong

In one of the final scripts for ROTS, when General Grievous says the line "I was trained in your jedi arts by Count Dooku", Obi-Wan retorted with "and I trained the jedi who killed Count Dooku". Not that I think it changes the point made in the video but it would have been a great "I'm gonna end this man's whole career" moment.

I think the reason the inquisitor thing is so annoying is that it’s such an easy thing to fix but due to a lack effort or budget(?) it’s going to be massively distracting

It makes me happy that someone is finally talking about how many fans are being called Toxic for Criticizing one single thing, I've been told that I'm toxic and shouldnt watch the show and that I'm ungrateful. If we cant criticize anything then the future of starwars will not improve

I agree with pretty much everything especially with how CHEAP the damn aliens look in all these shows, Disney has too much money to not make convincing looking characters, it makes me think that maybe they don't care enough

I feel Kenobi series doesn't have much new to offer that we don't know already. Other than adding depth to Kenobi's and Vader's characters, i can't think of any. Therefore i guess there will be alot unwarranted and out of place fan service that will either contradict with canon or do the main characters something like what Disney did to Boba Fett. In my opinion the ONLY way to make the show good is to heavily concentrate on Kenobi and Vader, the things they're going through in that time period. However i'm afraid Disney wouldn't see that concept as the most profitable option, and just go again with the only thing in the bag, nostalgia.

You remember the episode "sacrifice" in the clone wars where sidious fights Yoda in a vision through an ancient sith ritual? So they face each other, but still they don't meet each other physically until rots. Maybe Vader and Palpatine will want to recreate that ritual to face obi wan, which will serve as a final challenge for kenobi to overcome his demons and learn to retain his consciousness after death, just like Yoda did in that episode. That way, Vader and obi Wan would still not meet again until anh, and it would serve to further obi Wans story in a meaningful way. I really hope that's the route they will go if they're going to do a rematch at all

I would like to see them delving to Obi-Wan's guilt of feeling he failed The Galaxy, Padame, Qui-Gon, The Jedi Order, Anakin and himself and continuing on to right a wrong that even in his own heart of hearts he'll fail and die like everyone else because of his "failure" I don't want a moody character drama but just how he accepts himself.

I like how Rebels handled Vader. He was an important part of the story arc but his actual appearances were limited.

Yes, yes, yes. Thank you for putting a name to it: toxic positivity.

I want to keep any fights between Obi-wan and Vader as simply force visions. The duel on the death star in episode IV should be first and only time the two would meet since their duel on mustafar in Episode III

I agree with you Sheev on "THE GREATEST REMATCH OF ALL BLUGABLUGA" I'm very against Obi-Wan and Vader meeting, nevermind having a duel. Everytime I watch Star Wars, when Vader says "When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master" it always strikes me at the distance between the pair. It's fantastic. Then having watched the prequels later, that quote sits so well, with Vader's hatred for Obi-Wan being so prevalant. Will the pair duelling in the show undermine that? Probably.

I've seen an equal amounts of toxic positivity and people saying things like "If you like this then you're not a true fan". At this point it's easier to avoid the fandom all together and just enjoy Star Wars in secret

This video is insane watching now

"If you're unwilling to accept criticism of a thing you enjoy, then you need to first of all grow the fuck up, and second you need to reassess how important these stories are to you." These words resonated with me so much, because they are what I firmly believe.

Can’t wait to hear your rant on how they completely fucked up all your ideas. The writers didn’t even watch the movies

I want to see variety. Bad Batch, Mandalorian, and Boba Fett all felt they exact same- bounty hunters operating from dingy bars on run-down wasteland planets. I don’t want to see Obi-Wan spend all of his time on Tattoine fighting bad guys, we have that in Boba Fett. I hope they delve into the Jedi experience, and seldom show him on Tattoine.

Honestly, it just feels like filoni is trying to finish off rebels in everything... And ironically, rebels started to work for the vast majority of people because it was continuing clone wars. I'd like for characters to stop meeting. Does every inquisitor we've ever seen need to be there? There's one new one, and I'm not even sure she's all that new (riva sounds a whole lot like trilla). Good stories with new characters, I don't need to see cad bane fighting the wrong fight at 100. It's becoming more of a guilty pleasure soap opera every day.

Such a Shame. I actually wish now...they had just quietly cancelled this project. It actually finished off my love for star wars and buried it 20 feet below ground. Best Disney's gonna get from me now is...I might keep up with it all through videos like this but I'm certainly NOT going to take my own time and waste on total trash.

I had so many issues with the trailer of Kenobi. One of the most prominent issues is Obi-Wan leaving Tatooine. I just don’t see him leaving it for any reason. His life’s dedication was with Luke.

I think you nailed it. If the show follows at least half these points, I think we’re in for a treat

Now that the show is out and you really hate it, is obi wan Kenobi still your favorite character ever.

I’ve been keeping up with leaks surrounding this show so if you want to know what to expect going in, here is the basic premise of what happens: Obi-Wan is staying on Tatooine and living in a cave as he is watching over Luke. I assume he communes with Qui-Gon during this time, but I know that Qui Gon doesn’t physically manifest until the end of the series. There’s a Jedi named Nari who has been tracking down Obi-Wan after Order 66 and he finds his way to Tatooine. The Inquisitors are hunting Nari and he’s the reason they find their way to Tatooine. The trailer dialogue of Obi-Wan saying “the fight is done, we lost. Stay hidden” is him speaking to the Jedi. The Third Sister can sense both their presences but the Grand Inquisitor can’t and he tells her she’s basically full of it. Obi-Wan begins to understand his presence on Tatooine places Luke in danger. In the trailer you can see the Third Sister ignite her lightsaber in front of the Jedi who was running away from her. It’s also his body that his hanging in town as the Inquisitors put his corpse on public display. The Inquisitors study the history of the Jedi and the Republic and learn Bail Organa was close to the Jedi, so they kidnap his daughter (Leia) to see who comes for her. Bail seeks out Obi-Wan and asks for his help, so he leaves Tatooine to rescue her. He goes to the place in the trailer that looks like Tokyo or Reno and he meets up with Kumail Najiani who is a contact between Kenobi and Bail. Obi-Wan rescues Leia and this is when Vader learns Obi-Wan is alive. Vader doesn’t show up until the third episode. Vader is in hot pursuit for Obi-Wan and he’s like he was in Rogue One except times 10. He fights Obi-Wan twice in the show, the first fight Obi-Wan wins and escapes. Their final fight is on a moon of Mustafar and it’s what the concept art is from. It took weeks to film and involved a lot of cable work. In the end Vader will believe beyond a shred of a doubt that Kenobi is dead as he slips back into hiding on Tatooine

Let me read the future for you, my fellow geeks! It's going to suck! Search your feelings, you know it to be true! The shroud of the Disney is upon the galqxy of star wars, and as long as a company that cater to KIDS, the emotions, story telling and plot is not going to be complex enough to entertain adults, as they are going to cater to a big marketgroup as humanly possible. And something that tries to be liked by everybody ends up being hated by everyone. Beware helicopter lightsabers, animated characters that makes star wars look like its based on the clone wars show and not vise versa. Characters cant die because cyberpunk tattoo artist can revive everybody. The show that doesnt feature its own protagonist!

6:46 apparently except daddy Palpatine saying no

Holy fuck all your worries came TRUE lol. Can’t wait to see your review.

Most of new Star Wars isn’t really Star Wars, it just looks like it.

Hooo Boy… I can’t wait for the review of the Kenobi show. I’m sorry bro, but this shit ain’t gonna be pretty!

I'm just trying to keep an open mind until the show actually comes out.

We are now 4 episodes in and so far none of what u wanted happend... We do got 2 episodes remaining tho... So far with each ep i am likeing it less and less. Not as bad as book of boba but like i said it still got 2 episodes...

Well I would agree with you on the Dave Filoni thing about Obi-Wan and Grievous not meeting as it is lightly implied, but take Anakin and Grievous. Filoni made special care to make sure they never met in the Clone Wars just so the “you’re shorter than I expected” line made sense. It’s evident that whatever he does, he does pay attention to George Lucas’ vision, even if he does bend the rules a little. I agree with you. He isn’t a god, but he’s a damn well closer than Kathleen Kennedy.

Unfortunately, Disney has proved with Dr. Strange and the MoM (and other recent products I just found that one the most egregious) that they will not stop crunching the CGI department if it means hitting their ridiculous deadlines. So, I imagine the weird inaccuracies aren't going anywhere.

Thanks for this video you know i actually hadn't watched the trailer and i hadn't thought about what could go wrong its nice to have something for reference

I mean you’re hoping they don’t do some bad retconning with Obi-wan and Vader’s meet up…but The Clone Wars show has already shown us the writers are willing to fuck over the continuity like how the Jedi found out about Dooku making the clones AND that clones started killing Jedi with a conspiracy behind it. That show fucked over Revenge of the Sith’s story with its shitty retcons. XD

There is canon stating they haven't met since Mustafar. George Lucas has said it himself since 1977. There's also the Kenobi book which Disney is simultaneously aping and disregarding.

Ungrateful customer. How dare you consume a product without paying tribute to the mouse? Glory to the mouse! Burn the unbeliever who thinks he doesn't have an obligation to worship a corporation that's making mediocre quality shows.

Something I just thought of, what if Obi Wan has to leave tatooine to start his force ghost training, that's pretty important and based on what we see from clone wars season y we already know that requires traveling outside tatooine

FACT ABOUT THE KENOBI SHOW: Ewan McGregor is going to give everything he has to the role - he’s gonna have a lot of fun and he’s gonna be great

Obi Wan must attempt to redeem VADER and bring Anakin back to the good side. The show must follow the words of the movies. "Obi Wan once thought as you do."

Oh the look of the Grand Inquisitor was just the beginning.. so Obi left not to protect Luke, but Leia ! Totally abandoning him. And the bad guys learn who Obi Wan really is ! Bail himself even gives Luke and his location away - what fun !!

I think how you said “cautiously optimistic” is the best way to describe how I feel.

idk how or why I’m still up but Sheev uploaded so it’s cool

You made a lot of excellent points in this video about constructive criticism and the overreaction some people have to genuine, valid criticism. Toxic positivity is still going on. I’m so glad you have put a name to this phenomenon because I’ve been wondering what motivates some RU-vidrs to make very long videos talking about how it made perfect sense for Luke to be portrayed the way he was in the sequel trilogy etc. some thing I find very strange is several of them have said that they didn’t like the last Jedi at first but they made themselves watch it repeatedly and now they think it’s really excellent. This strikes me as very odd behaviour unless they are so desperate to want to approve of everything that has the Star Wars name attached to it … why though? Anyway, thanks for the video. I’m going to watch your Kenobi video now. I watched this one first after that intro advised that we do that. 🙏😎🍿

Your Impersonation of Grievas had me rolling. "ackchasjdfh...fuck" lmao

Pretty spot-on 👌 Also I appreciate you pointing out the conundrum with General Grievous’ suggestive dialogue lol Edit: even the Clone Wars has its holes, too

after the boba fett show, i'm really sceptical on how this one will turn out

Awesome video! I pretty much share every thought you presented and really like the editing! I also dont think there is a single show that had as much of an impact on my child self as The Clone Wars have had. I recently rewatched the whole series and saga as well as Rebels and was genuinely astounded at how little of my interest in the Clone Wars and Star wars in general were nostalgia-based. I really enjoyed every second of the watchthrough and I'm suuuuper hyped for Kenobi.

In regards to the fight, I feel like it’s going to be a dark vision Obi-Wan will have if he fails to protect Luke. Like the Empire finds Luke, Obi-Wan tries to find him and encounters Vader, but is too late because Luke has already turned to the dark side.

I’ve said this many times but the a new hope confrontation is shit and anticlimactic now after all the context we have. I don’t get why people keep saying them fighting in kenobi cheapens a new hope when it was already bad

I don’t understand The Bad Batch hate. I really liked that show. Damn.

9:05 THANK YOU! no one ever mentions these books ever

Disney is gonna probably mess it i'm gonna keep it real. I mean there are simply so many variables, too many areas where they could go wrong very easily messing up the canon. it would've been so easy to make a good boba fett show since all we really knew is that he survived the sarlacc, eventually got his armor back and teamed up with din djarrin and fennec but they still f*cked it up. How are we gonna expect them to deliver on something that has so much more deep lore attached to it.

3:16 "To say that I am cautiously optimistic, is quite the understatement." ~ Ross Fallon (MGF Customs), 2018

Great video. Especially the end. Well said.

Boba-Fet was great started off slow in usual star wars fashion but was great.

I respect a person who can convey their views with conviction despite the apparent exhaustion they feel dealing with sycophants. If you view something or someone as perfect then there is no room to adapt and improve. Plus the criticisms regarding the Grand Inquisitor lies primarily with the fact that if the creators don’t have the ability to look back at the source material within their own franchise (Episode III) then what other more egregious concessions are they willing to make. It stings more as you begin to realise that the care you have for the franchise as a fan is not reflected in the creative team that is producing new material. Gatekeeping is not inherently toxic but serves as humbling reminder that these stories are important to many people.

After watching kenobi so far I kinda like that kenobi and vader have encounters because they lean into kenobi’s guilt and the depressed state he is in over vader after the clone wats

"Cough cough... ah fuck" Made me shoot blue milk out of my nose.

I think the toxic positivity point does happen, but I don’t feel like it’s as common or as much of an issue as you paint it to be. If anything, I think negativity is the most common response when I see anything new from Disney Star Wars. I rarely see anyone say they assume a new star wars product will be perfect

"When I left you i was but the learner, now I am the master." That seems to me like the last time they saw eachother was mustafar..

Some of the dialogue works for them meeting back up "When I left you I was about the learning". But in ROTS Obi-Wan left HIM, not the other way around. There's a few more examples too.

I feel the one reason they should fight is for obi wan too be protecting either Luke or Leia from being discovered. like say Vader is coming close to a good lead and so Kenobi reveals himself to keep Vader from that

That Vader & Obi-Wan duel for me needs to be a remake of the Death Star Battle

Ungrateful sounds like I'm being given a gift and should be thankful no matter what. Since I need to pay to see it, I'll criticise it all I want as a consumer.

I'm with you on this one, the trailer didn't won me over, I'm still really nervous about that show, it would be so easy to screw it up, Boba Fett didn't help either

You are absolutely right. Thank you I think the series should have an arch: Obi wan can learn to move forward and trust in the force with a sad trade off of abandoning the idea of Vader being redeemable. As much as I hate the idea of a great hero having a failed arch I think it would be pretty satisfying here

Hayden is already confirmed to be reprising Anakin in Kenobi and Ahsoka, plus the new novel coming out depicts force ghost Anakin saving Luke on exegol. There are also reports of a Vader series after Kenobi. Hayden will most likely get his own show!

Ewan is a perfect successor to Sir Alec. Looking forward to seeing him again.

I didn’t even realise that was the grand inquisitor upon first watching

I’m in the same boat as you regarding this show, I’m cautiously optimistic. Personally, I don’t think this is a story that needs to be told, but I am excited to see what kind of story can be told within this era of Star Wars. I just hope it doesn’t turn out like Book of Boba Fett or Mando season 2.

other problems i have with vader is that during rebels he is searching for kenobi which means he has no idea where he is, but if a rematch occurs in the kenobi series it would make no sense

“Toxic Positivity” is so spot-on in regards to the Disney fandom, and it’s not just for Star Wars - it’s arguably more pronounced on the Marvel side. I personally think that none of the Marvel TV shows (starting with Wandavision) were particularly good. But for some reason I see universal circle jerking on comment section, and if I criticize them at all I’ll get hounded by the sheep demons as if Marvel can do no wrong.

I feel like another reason why they want to reunite Vader and Obi Wan pretty early on again is so that we’re able to know that Obi Wan knows what Vader looks like because if you really think about it Obi Wan never saw the Vader suit and to his knowledge in ROTS Anakin is dead so he wouldn’t really know who Vader is or what he looks like so it would make sense for them to meet again before A New Hope and explain why his reaction isn’t all that surprising when he sees Vader on the Death Star but that’s just my theory

Thanos: “Reality is often times disappointing”

Yea, with the use of John Williams in the trailer and the cleganebowl vibes im getting from Obi-Wan vs vader, it's starting to seem kinda key jangly to me, hopefully they can still pull it off though, but I'm not gonna hold my breath just yet. Also I have a feeling they're gonna use Tattooine as an excuse to squeeze Fennic into another one of their shows.

Excellent video.

Excellent video my man

I 100 percent agree about what you said about Obi-wan and Vader. I hope they make like a dream

The “Kenobi” novel is what this series should have been

I’m really worried about Vader being in the show cuz tbh I think them meeting before episode 4 ruins when they finally meet on the Death Star, I’m more hopefully for this show than I was before after the trailer, but I don’t want Vader to just be there so him and obi wan and bang glow sticks Also I feel like the reason some of the aliens look ‘bad’ is because they’re trying to recreate the feel of the aliens from the old movies

We have to have Vader vs Maul and Vader vs Ahsoka in live action. I will accept nothing less. I’ve been accused of being a troll as well and I love Star Wars. Toxic Positivity and the Filoni Cult are the real enemy.

i love kenobi as a character same reason i love doctor who i reccommend watching it from series 1 of the 2005 revival, starts with the 9th doctor

I understand what you’re saying and agree with it just wanted to point something out that how would Obi-Wan know that Vader was a machine

*1:55** That was Me with the "Snake Eyes" movie from 2021, which Despite its title it never features the character of Snake Eyes*

Once the second trailer came out I got used to the new Grand Inquisitor design. Idk, two characters of the same species can look different (in reference to the one from revenge of the sith). Still wish they would change the eyes though.

I've heard a lot of people making sense of Vaders dialog in Ep.4 was referring to himself as a Sith learner/Master, which would give new context and retcon the reference to be about whatever Kenobi fight is going to happen. Eh

While the trailer was cool, so was the trailer for episode 1, 2, 3 And look how those abominations worked out I mean the best piece of marketing for episode 1 was a chessboard

You should've brought up how awful the Twi'leks look in The Mandalorian. Personally, my hopes for this series took a significant hit when I learned that Darth Maul was planned for the series, but then cut out in a rewrite. Just awful. We could've had Ewan and Ray have the rematch we all dreamed of, and they cockblocked us.

I already hoped they'd st art with some flashbacks to older moments in the Book of Boba Fett for example. Where I thought they'd do the Cad Bane VS Boba Fett duel in live action, to give us context & Daniel Logan potentially as Boba (he played the kid ver.) again. But even though that didn't happen, I legitimately still have some serious hopes of them giving us some neat Anakin & Obi-Wan flashbacks, in which case they will easily be the best part of the show to me.

I think my biggest worry is kenobi can easily fall into the traps of boba fett including but not limiting a kid din prequel episode of the mandolorian.

I def agree with a lot of your gripes and the overly positive no matter what attitude can def be exhausting. However, I really encourage everyone (if you have the will power) to watch a Star Wars show or movie without watching a ton of videos about it before hand or chatting on forums about it. Form your own unaffected opinion about the show first and then go talk about it. The more you hear other people complain or talk positively no matter what ..the more you can’t unlearn what you have learned. One other thing real quick…at least half the reason why TROS is such a mess is because they DID listen to what fans would like and tried to cram it in / make things fit. The other half of the reason is because they didn’t lay out a definitive arc for the story before hand BUT I genuinely think this was done so that they could adjust after seeing fan reactions for each film. For example: “Angry Fans : TFA was a rehash” -Result - The last Jedi with tons of stuff that’s different from anything else to a fault. “Angry Fans : The last Jedi was terrible ..they killed the main villain and sent Finn on a wild goose chase!” -Result - The Rise of Skywalker trying to realign character plots and poke fun at things that people didn’t like in the last Jedi. Disney definitely looks at what the general consensus of complaining fans is and then tries to appease everyone which simply isn’t possible and it ends up pissing people off even more. I don’t think this is something that is going to change because while they want fans to be happy and keep watching, it is a business at the end of the day. If we as fans are going to say “This must happen OR ELSE” ..I mean we are just setting everything up to fail. Just like toxic positivity, if we are talking do or die/make or break without even seeing one episode, how can we expect anything to ever live up to expectations?

"What needs to happen." Someone else needs to make the Kenobi series 🤣

This video took a strangely bitter turn

I always imagined a movie or show of Kenobi with the same tone that “Logan” had. A broken protagonist. Seeing the trailer it reminds me of Samurai jacks season 5.

I agree about what you are calling toxic positivity. In an attempt to ignore what people deem "mindless hate" of bad iterations of old franchises, a lot of people have created an equal and opposite problem. Cultish praise of every aspect of something. A good example is in the Dragon Age fandom. Several big channels will throw out phrases like "the team has a lot of passion for [it]" in order to defend bad writing, animation, etc.

Who the fuck decided that we needed the helicopter lightsabers to come back?

What I want to happen is that Vader is actually a vision constructed by Obi-Wan himself. Remember in the clone wars arc where Yoda has to confront his dark side during his training to become a force ghost? What if Vader is that darkness Kenobi has to face? That would awesome and we could also mix Vader/Anakin’s appearances to flashbacks that way we still get the interactions between Obi-Wan and Vader without messing up the over arching narrative.

I really loved the first episode and atmosphere of the bad batch and I liked the cad bane episodes too but the rest of the episodes followed the fetch quest formula that plagued the bad batch