We also saw the Enterprise F but weren’t really told what happened to it after Frontier Day. What really gets me is that the refit Titan carried most of the weight during season 3 and was then unceremoniously rechristened as the Enterprise G. That kind of slights the Titan’s role is saving the Federation from the Changeling / Borg coup.
@@raymondcanessa7208 No, i think that that should have been a refit for the D if they would have used that concept. Enterprise-F was sadly on the way out: Why not reactivate the rebuild D after a nice refit? Would have been better then dishonouring the Titan-Name by killing off it´s history after the ship did it´s best part in the history of Starfleet yet.
@@docfaust2073 Yes, the first Ship namend "Enterprise" that really shouldn´t have come into existence like it did. That´s defenitely not a good Start for an Enterprise and besides that: They are eating up the letters of the Alphabet way to fast..... how should they get to the Enterprise-J without either some Enterprises that get extremely loong service times, or without having a Enterprise for a few decades or even centuries? In only about 30 years of Starfleet history we are now seeing the 4th ship of that name. The way they named the -G was stupid and there was just no need for it. It could have been either the -E that´s still active, or a brand-new -F that´s just at the start of a long career.
@@markdavidson1049 I'm assuming by A he meant the refit Constitution, which is absolutely gorgeous. If by A he meant the Titan A, well the Titan A makes no sense at all. What are 150 year old ball phaser turrets doing on a new ship?
Thats the sovereign class in general, they may not like to say it but that class in particular was basically starfleets version of a battleship and had the firepower to match.
I remember people criticizing the low quality cgi in Insurrection and Nemesis back when they came out. Yet I can’t help but notice how much sharper and less video gamey they look compared to the cg in the current Trek era.
I agree with you, and for a long time it was all burry as hell either. I couldn't even tell what half the ships looked like. The clean well-lit aesthetic of TNG through ENT isn't realistic, but it looks so much better. SNW seems to have put things right recently, we have had long shots of the Enterprise where you can enjoy it in great detail.
@@Darmok_ helps when the source material for the cgi E was an actual model they could study and improve apon rather than building ships from scratch straight from some 3D CGI programs.
It definitely doesn't make sense for Federation ships to last a decade or so. Realistically, tho they are essentially a post-scarcity society (mostly) it does take resources to build a starship. Like how many trillions of dollars would just the Bakula-era ship cost in today's money? What kind of labor force do you need for that? What kind of infrastructure needs to be in place to develop just one ship, much less a fleet? Aircraft carriers are in service for a long time. Large ships are in service for a long time. You would build those to last and introduce periodic upgrades until it's no longer practical to keep it in service. There's no way the average ship would encounter enough temporal rifts and spatial anomalies and such to damage it heavily enough that it needs to be replaced after a few years. Of course they would keep exploratory and survey vessels in service for 200 years. It makes a lot more sense than the Enterprise thing Anyway, sorry about the screed. I just think about that from time to time and I find it frustrating. Funny, yes. But also frustrating
Or even the D and A, although the technology gap would probably have given the A an operational reactivation time of 0.68 seconds after arriving at Jupiter.
@@ehandley1045I thought they were going in that direction with Kirk's remains being at Daystrum. An "Endgame" type team up with the legendary Enterprises (A,D,E) and their captains. Having Riker or Worf commanding the "E".
Ahh yes, Kirks enterprise gets called in for decommissioning in the OG Wrath of Kahn, Starfleet command had come to the conclusion that the ship was too damaged to remain in service and salvaged it. The look on Scotty's face tho... Like command decided to sucker punch him in the stomach and the legs...
Based on the ambiguity of it all, I would tend to think that the enterprise E was wrecked at some point, and it’s sitting in some shipyard somewhere neglected and written off as to costly or resource intensive to repair. Hence, why Jordi said that it can’t be used
I agree with You, i came to Say exactly the same. The enterprise E is still out there but impossible ro be use. If restore the D took Geordi around 20 years and the E maybe have between 5 to 8 years incapacitated, i belive it will take plenty of time to restore it and the federarion just didn't want to restore it and Geordi, in charge of the fleet museum, had his hands full restoring the D almost alone. The D is now in the rightful place and now Geordi can dedícate time to restore the E.
@@lorenzopereyra5651 hopefully he restores the e next but considering the d has much more of an impact on their lives i kinda doubt it... sad fate for such a gorgeous and powerful ship tbh
I think of it as how the refit Enterprise was in The Search for Spock. Damaged and “20 years old, we feel her day is over”. Damaged and in some dock someplace. Or maybe they sent it to that Qualor II shipyard run by the Zackdorns
The Federation covers most of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants and doubtlessly has billions, maybe trillions of citizens. Add in limitless power, industrial replicators , and every Star Trek ship ever seen is no problem to be repaired or refitted. Too much fake drama/lazy storytelling.
Q showed up on the Enterprise E demanding to see Picard. Worf is now Captain. Q isn't happy about this change and taunts Worf in the process. Worf loses his cool and does or says something to piss off Q. To get back at him he teleports everyone to the planet below (Krillar Prime) and turns the Enterprise E into jelly. Hence there is nothing left of it and Worf says "That was not my fault."
well it's simple the enterprise E was connected to Starfleet's computer system which is why they went for the D which was not connected to Starfleet's mainframe they mentioned this which means the E was probably still intact but they did not want there activity's monitored by the changelings in Starfleet plain and simple after all Geordie does point out the enterprise D is the last ship in service that's not connected to Starfleet's mainframe
I really enjoyed Picard season 3 and the design for the Titan did grow on me but I just don’t understand why they would take a Luna Class vessel and retrofit it backwards to the Neo Constitution Class, it had to have been a huge undertaking to essentially remodel the entire thing and give it armaments that Starfleet had grown past to newer, better, and more effective ones like the phaser strips. While we’ve finally seen the original design in Lower Decks, this gave us the perfect chance to see it properly with a refit and the Neo-Connie could still have been in the show under another name. Seeing the E would have been awesome even if only a flashback with Worf captaining, I mean we only got one flyby of the F which if not seeing more of it, we could have seen more of that Class after it being such a huge thing in STO. I don’t like the renaming of the Titan to the Enterprise G either, while some might not agree I think it cheapens everything that the Titan of both classes had achieved and while the Enterprise is not consistently the flagship more often than not when one is in service it is and I don’t think that the renamed Titan carries the gravitas of a ship named Enterprise carries and definitely not that of the flagship.
I believe in the Instagram logs they explain that it's a combination of two Titans. The hull of a constitution class one and the inner workings of the Luna class.
@@thod8820 That isn't what was said, it was just the design that was copied not the hull. The Constitution III Class is way too big to use the hull of the Shangri-La class
Great video. Here's a theory given what we know about the Titan (Luna) scrapped and used to build the Titan-A, could the same technique have been done for the Enterprise-E and it used in the construction of the Enterprise-F? That's precedence established. Geordi's line that "Obliviously we can't use the Enterprise-E" leaves the door wide open. We don't see it at the fleet museum, and it is not explicitly said to have been destroyed.
I think the ultimate answer lies partly in its damage from Nemesis. I doubt that structural damage could ever be fully repaired and likely limited her service life. This plus whatever happened during Worf's final mission probably led to her being decommissioned and scrapped, as she was no longer fit for service. It didn't make sense to repair a ship that already was so weary.
Maybe, but I'm thinking its more likely that the sovereign class just wasn't a good fit for an enterprise to begin with. The sovereign is designed primarily as a warship, foregoing most of the exploration and multi mission capabilities of the galaxy for increased combat power and a slimmed down hull. this makes the sovereign class a poor fit for the multi mission exploration duties expected for enterprise. My thinking is that Enterprise-E was a hasty replacement for the unexpected loss of D, and because starfleet was facing constant threats at the time. they couldn't replace D with a new galaxy. But starfleets actual plan for enterprise D was about 30 to 40 years of service, then get replaced by something like an odyssey class. So if enterprise D had not been destroyed, then Enterprise F would have been the E.
@@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818 If that's the case then she might have been rebuilt but just lost the name Enterprise. Think I remember reading somewhere that she had a different name before being named Enterprise so she might have just reverted back to her original name
I hate to admit it but you have a point. Also Sovereign Class ships don't belong in the museum, they're too new! Come to think of it, Intrepid and Defiant class ships are too new as well, they should both still have ships in service. I could see mothballing the Voyager though, not only has she been through so much that she might be too beat up for regular duty but she's had so much alien tech modifications that she'd be kept around for study if nothing else.
In Picard Season 3 the D got repeated mentions, along with models, paintings and the actual ship returning, whereas the E gets two direct mentions which didn't reveal much. The E never seems to get mentioned in other series either for some reason. I had a thought that that red door Jack kept seeing and one Troi saw with him in that counselling session could have been the red door of Engineering on the E that Picard had to go through in order to find Data (in First Contact). It's there he's confronted by the Borg Queen. This could have helped Troi realise the influence of the Borg over Jack and their connection to the Changelings Indeed, it was that same Queen who sought out Jack anyway, so a nice connection in my view and a nod to the oft-overlooked Enterprise E
I don't buy the heavily damaged story for both the E and F. It's the 24th century. I think ships close to 100% serious damage could be rebuilt. Unless of course they where completely destroyed. Somehow this fast forward to the G didn't exactly jive with me.
genuinely would have loved to see a series about the f, kinda sad how the only content we have of it is from a nearly 20 year old video game and a single scene in the last episode of this show...
Given the damage to Enterprise D and the mention of not being able to use E, I'd guess either a complete destruction of the ship, or some sort of other loss such as abandoning the ship somewhere where it could not be regained.
Agree, it probably a total lost. Afterall they should able to repair her if the damage weren't massive, as they did on her post nemesis, as well as to the Titan, since they are still in active duty. We see the Sovereign class still arround on the last episode of ST Picard.
I like to think the E is still out there, even if it was lost to Starfleet. I am not a fan of the very short service lives of all ships which carry the name. That's why I was glad to see that Commodore La Forge made it his personal mission to make her whole again. Whatever happened to the E, she deserved more than a quick mention. It's especially bad that the F got written off so quickly as well. We barely knew either ship...
Go back and rewatch ST: Prodigy. When the Protostar virus spread across all of the Starfleet vessels that came to the aid of the Dauntless, the Enterprise-E was on of the ships that was infected and firing on the others.
The E never grew on me like the D did and it was fitting that the Enterprise they used to finally defeat the Borg was the restored D. One odd thing the D & E have in common though is that when Deanna got in the driving seat they both crashed.
The E just wasn't around long enough to grow on us. I mean yeah, in universe it was around longer than the D, but we only saw it in three movies compared with 178 episodes for the D. So I'm just a bit indifferent to its fate and I don't feel a burning desire to see i return. I didn't hate the E but neither do I have any great nostalgia for it.
I would like to hope that if the Enterprise E wasn't still around as a museum ship, that it would have at least had a peaceful end to its service. That if this last mission Worf was on with it was damaging... that the E survived the encounter and in pure theory could have been repaired and refit for service again, but with what would become the Enterprise F nearing completion, the E was then retired and sent to the scrap yards. It'd then end with a victorious record and would fit with the overall storyline presented and would fit with what happened to the WW2 carrier, USS Enterprise.
The USS Midway docked in San Diego served from 1945 to 1991 and looked radically different at its retirement. STO seems to have established that the original USS Galaxy is still in service 55 years later after many upgrades. The way the Trek producers have made Enterprises disposable after a few years is just ridiculous at this point, given that the TNG bible meant to have the ship last 100 years and get new upgrades and crews. Why would you spend all that time design and building something to throw it out in a decade or so? There's also the fact that the last shots of Picard with the Enterprise-D next to the Titan show that Andrew Probert's Modern Organic design STILL looks more futuristic than the newer designs with hard angles and Star Wars greeblies.
The Enterprise E will always be my favorite Enterprise. Not knowing the whole story of what happened to it, or if it's still functional, is going to haunt me all the days of my life, until some official story explains its fate.
First Contact made this my favorite. Best Star Trek soundtrack as well. I guess going back in time works for Star Trek. As well for OG, The Voyage Home.
There's some details I'd really like to know about the Enterprise D. The wiki stated it was put back into service for a time after being pulled from the museum. I'd love to know what it and it's crew did with it before putting it back in the museum later
That would make for a cool series if CBS would fund it. One more year on that ship. Even novels would be fun. Except audiences would get used to a ship that was brightly lit again!
Most notably, it would answer many questions about what happened that year between the Borg's annihilation and their being shut down again. Among other things: How many ships of the near-Earth Fleet are still operational, how many senior officers were lost, who survived from Starfleet Command? Was the Enterprise D the interim flagship during the difficult times and did Picard take command of the fleet at that time? There are so many questions that need to be answered. A possible series about this time could answer many questions, also regarding the exact whereabouts of the Enterprise E and F.
Also did Data get his promotion in the end to full Commander. He was due to at the start of Nemesis but I don't know if he'd actually been promoted to full Commander by the start of Nemesis
What "captain Data"? He got destroyed on that romulan starship. B4 was the next android which Dr Soong has built and was activated. Also I do believe the Sovereign class Enterprise was heavily damadged from a battle and is in space dock waiting to be either scraped or get extensive repairs. They said "they can not use it" not "shes gone forever".
It was appropriate and right to just to focus on the D, with the whole TNG crew together. That last episode was the highlight of the series. I would not want it any other way.
The only thing that is cannon is Geordi saying we obviously can't use Enterprise-E and Worf responding by saying that was not my fault suggesting something stupid happened to it.
That saddens me.... the Enterprise E was my favorite of all the Enterprise line ships but they are all amazing, especially the NCC-1701 from Star Trek the Motion Picture :)
I am hoping we all get an answer to what the hell happened to the kickass Enterprise E , here's hoping we get a movie with the next generation cast that shows us how she was lost the Enterprise E or we may never know but I am wishing for something other than that was not my fault from Wolf
There has to be clarification coming in some sort of series in the future. They intentionally have left us asking the question for a reason. Lets just collectively cross our fingers its a Worf worthy Story
I'd like to know what they were smoking over the Enterprise-Failure. The Enterprise-E was the apex of starship design, if you ask me. The Enterprise-Failure was an insult to the name -- and this was before the events of Frontier Day.
Are you talking about the enterprise F ? It’s not a failure, it had problems off screen. It was said that it was one of the best ships but eventually got damaged beyond repair and was only good for this type of show thus it’s retirement… …and replacement by the neo-constitution class USS ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-G
Any stories where Data, having returned in the body of B-4, is Captain of the Enterprise-E cannot be canon due what we learned about the fate of B-4 in the first season of the _Picard_ series.
The way everyone looked at Word, I think the story of the Enterprise-E's fate is crying out to be told as a Lower Decks story. It has the added benefit that the TNG cast could voice their "younger" selves.
problem.. the novels arnt canon - to me atleast.. if we assume this is true then we know nothing what happend to the enterprise E after nemisis.. i think we need a film or series for that! also.. picard isnt cannon for me too. so essentialy startrek and cannon ended for me after nemisis and i still miss it.. i want a canon film or series.. but sadly thats not possible because kurzman.. - i want tng/voy style roddenbarry trek! about the enterprise e, about the enterprise-d after her crash, about the uss prometheus.. but atleast isnt only startrek over since nemisis.. no starwars was also over after a point.. oh well..
The borg mission, the romulan mission and then Star Trek prodigy. The Enterprise E was probably taken somewhere & studied for damage evidence results. (Any after effects).
I have a headcanon the Enterprise-E was destroyed due to a massive Tribble infestation. Perhaps by the Genetically Modified Attack Tribbles we saw at the Daystrom Station
Nah, everyone knows the E was destroyed by an evil, zombiefied Capt. Kirk after Section 31's Beyond Top-Secret 'Project Lazarus' experiment went horribly awry. Captain Worf was lucky to have escaped with his life... 😫😱
I look at it this way. It wasn't Worf's fault that accepting a classified mission would require the Enterprise E being permanently renamed. Either that or she was stolen under bizzare circumstances.
When I originally heard the joke, I immediately just assumed that while Worf was in charge (whether as Captain, or more likely in temporary command such as Geordi in Arsenal of Freedom) a "Badmiral" was involved and forcefully took command of the E and then caused its destruction.
I know I’m in the bleak minority here but I never could get ‘on-board’ with the Enterprise E. It’s possible I’m still hurting from when D was (rather cinematically) killed off. To me, E was a ‘movie ship’ and we only ever got to see the very basics of her. Because of this, I just never warmed to her at all. Even the interior I found to be too dark, too cold and just not very inviting when compared to her predecessor. Yes, I know that in-universe there’s a reason for that but it just didn’t sell it to me at all. I do think the ready room on E was far more cosy than on D, so it does have that going for it!
Did Nero destroy her before he went to JJ Verse? But that does not match the Enterprise F cause shes 14 years old when she destroyed.. ugh an Enterprise's i love that has been disrespected for the crappy G and no send off for the E
Would it be cool to see the Enterprise H be close to The Orville design or a hybrid? Then the Enterprise I be a Buck Roger's in the 25th century ship hybrid?
What happened to it? Simple. The last season was pure fan service and while the E was part of the Next Gen crew the D was and always will be the hero ship that goes with that crew. They could have rolled out the E under someone else's command instead of the F but showing the E being commanded by someone who wasn't part of the original Next Gen crew would have taken something away from the fann service (yes I know Shelby was part of the crew for two whole episodes.) Using the F allowed them to remove side line that whole issue by having a ship that had zero association with the crew. You then have the reveal of the D. Yes they could have rolled out the E but let's face it how many fans watching Picard expected the E to show up? Every thing going in to Picard suggested the E was still kicking around and in service if she'd shown up it would have been nice but not exactly a big surprise. The reveal of the D though, THAT was a genuine surprise made better by the fact that there was no pre-release leaks suggesting that the D would turn up in the show. So yes we can theorize convoluted what ifs as to what happened to the E but the answer is she was sidelined to not diminish the genuine surprise return of the D. (The show should have done a better job of explaining what happened to the E or not bothered referencing her at all, the throw away comedy one liner it used actually did her a disservice.)
In Picard we saw the Enterprise F and G, the fact we had three suggests that E was not in service and by the end of the series neither was the F. However, they bought the D back so maybe the E is also salvageable but there was no prime directive risk necessitating the recovery.
I really like the Enterperise E, but I think they got rid of her and didn't talk about the apparent other ships built, because they were mainly built for battle.
Great video, cap! And I'm glad to hear (did you call him Lt. Commander?) Adam will be returning. I love ya, pal, don't get me wrong, but nobody does a ship or station breakdown better than Adam. Tell him he's missed, at least by this old hillbilly.
I feel the same that they shouldve given then Titan more credit than just rechristening it as the enterprise G but at the same time it had that cool factor seeing a neo-constitution class being the new enterprise. it gave me shatner movie levels of "what a beautiful ship" at the end of the series. they might have also done it so they can start up a new show in the main timeline finally, which would be really awesome imo as long as it keeps the SNW/picard season 3 style going and not discovery levels of storytelling.
I disagree with the theory that the Enterprise-E was destroyed. Geordi stated that there was still hull work to do on the Enterprise-E and the nacelle covers were a "nightmare" while at the ship museum in Star Trek: Picard season 3. Therefore, the Enterprise-E could not have been destroyed.
I can see the Sovereign Class as a "place holder" position as Starfleet downsized the size of their ships in response to the recent wars. If Nemesis taught them anything, really big expensive ship bad, many small nearly as powerful ships good. Arming a mobile Convention Hall is good for diplomacy, bad for actual combat.
They should make comic book Star Trek the next generation to explain what really happened to USS ENTERPRISE E. The Worf was the last command of starship.
This was a cool video to see, it would be a shame if it was destroyed but understandable. I would honestly like to know why the Titan A was recristend as the Enterprise G, is the Enterprise F not still around?
I'm guessing the E was ambushed on the Romulan/Klingon border Martok asking starfleet for help with ship disappearances and Worf directly, led the remnants of house of Durass and Sela's faction in Empire wishing to end the legacy of the Enterprise.
My theory is we would have seen the e destruction in prodigy as a soft crossover but changed it last minute that’s why they zoomed in the uss sovereign.
