I love coming home at the end of a long workday out in “society”, brewing a nice cup of coffee, and watching a That Guy Pete video. If you came out with one every day I’d watch them all! Much love brother! Thank you for what you do! A great voice in the manosphere! Blessed to have you!
Thank you for your support. I find comfort in the fact that even if I'm not every one's cup of tea (coffee, whatever)...there are enough of us operating in this space that SOMEONE will be able to connect with them and that's good enough for me.
@@jcasanova1467 thanks brother. i hope it helps. Feel free to check out other channels that cover these topics such as Tails Blackpill, Wheat Waffles, Face and LMS, as well as IncelTV if you're looking for different experiences with the same phenomena.
Looks come down to 3 key elements: Face, Height and Physique (muscles and body fat %). As long as you have at least 2 going for you you'll be fine. So if you have a sub-par face but are tall and jacked you can still get somewhere, see it all the time. Another example if you have a bad face and you're short you're out of luck even if you've got a great body. And if your face is great yet you are both short and fat you're also in trouble.
I would agree with that. They all work together to get you past the basic looks threshold and once you're past that, the nonphysical stuff really starts to make a difference.
@@lordofgingers Yea it's all about that looks threshold, which is ridiculously high for any none sub-5 women these days. I think a larger point I was making is so many Blackpillers focus on just one aspect while all 3 play a huge factor. And of course you've got tons of Redpillers out there (too many to mention) that just say work out and get rich and you will "ascend", not factoring in that won't matter if you are short and ugly.
@@Krelian4400 Here is what I would say: Online dating = Sub8 theory is becoming increasingly relevant. IRL = The bare minimum looks test where your SMV becomes elastic to non physical factors is the normie lite zone which starts at 4/10 and ends at 5/10, just as at the 7/10 chad lite region, you start to have halo effect and SMV becomes inelastic again. The reason for this discrepancy is that online dating really is looks first...then if she swipes on you, you can whip out the text game if it's good. My last one in the series covered height and frame while the one before that covered JBW. The three core aspects of appearance that hypergamy filters out on. A normie is afforded a redpill reality and possibly even a purplepill bargained lifestyle if they wish just as a chad is afforded a bluepill fantasy...but a subfive irl cannot afford any of those. blackpill acceptance is required to avoid insanity. But, I totally understand why an overwhelming majority of redpill normies avoid blackpill...it's VERY uncomfortable...but necessary
@@lordofgingers IRL = "The bare minimum looks test where your SMV becomes elastic to non physical factors is the normie lite zone which starts at 4/10 and ends at 5/10" I think this was true in the past but not so much in the present. The online and real life worlds are merging. Nearly ALL WOMEN have Instagram/Facebook/Tiktok which function as de facto online dating sites because it so easy for guys to just slide right into her DM's on these sites. Many of the successful normies you see out and about met their significant others a few years ago before social media made things really bad. All of my normie friends including myself are having NO LUCK IRL at the moment, while we all had some degree of luck in the past.
@@Krelian4400 RU-vid keeps putting your comments in held for review...I'm approving them, but I'm just letting you know they're doing that....dunno why. Anyway. 1)Yes. That very well may be happening. But it hasn't happened yet, so for now, it holds. 2)And yes. I'm glad you pointed that out. The social media sites are low key the REAL dating sites with the gram being right at the top. 3)The reason why you're seeing that is partially looks, but a lot of red pill concepts play into her infidelity and stuff like that. Concepts such as alpha imprint and war brides....the emotional roller coaster...they have to have it and average joes without a dark triad personality profile just can't do it. As I said, I can concede it's getting worse....the hard part is getting the foot in the door...that's why I subscribe to the idea to look for choosing signals...it makes it a little easier because then you're walking over with some semblance of your bearings. But yes, eventually, sub8 very well may pour over into the real world...in the west anyway
33:00 I have used retin-a for years and it is the only thing proven to work well, and is medically backed. And yes, a good natural sunblock is essential. I would never expose my face to sunlight without it for more than 15-20 minutes. Most men can start with Finasteride for hair loss and see awesome results with it without using Minoxidil. Finasteride is the best. A plant based diet is best for aging, but not completely vegan. Some fish and oysters and gelatin and maybe some lean turkey is fine for proteins and zinc. But def keeping cholesterol and saturated fat low, eat tons of fruit and healthy whole grains and sweet potatoes. High polyphenol foods like dark chocolate, teas, blue and blackberry, are great for aging. Drink fresh brewed teas throughout the day for high stream of constant antioxidants throughout the day. Olive oil is great for skin too.
Just a small comment on the photos: What's common in all of them is you may be too close to the lense (the lense distorts your featurs and your mid face gets more pronounced). Try dressing as you did in the last picture, getting the phone on a tripod, taking the picture somewhere outside and don't look at the camera, look away (with no smile). You'll be shocked by the results you'll get on photofeeler.
Oh I’ve seen and read all the recommendations but I also had to balance that with making myself the focus so that I don’t let womens imaginationa run wild too much when rating I wanted them to keep it 100. But perhaps I may conduct such an experiment in time. Thanks for your recommendation!
For hair, I have a lot of thin hair, but no facial hair at all. Whenever I get a haircut the stylist runs their hands through my hair, their whole demeanor towards me changes, and always compliment me on how much hair I have. Then comes the interview, how long have I been here? Any kids? What do I do? I lucked out though, no males in my family are under 6'0, and no women are under 5'10. I also come from a large family so we have wide hips, broad shoulders that my mom always complained about giving birth to. Personality also plays a large part. I have always been the strong silent type, with a stoic aura. Girls with chaotic emotions are drawn to me like moths to the flame. I have also found being genuine, especially recently has gotten me a lot of warm smiles. Like a cute cashier just making conversation asked what I had going on for the rest of the afternoon, and without much hesitation just broke out the old 90s answer, "Not much. Just try to relax." She stared at me for a few heartbeats then gave me a warm smile like she had expected me to say something else, something fake?
Damn bro...I wish I had experiences like that lol you make it sound good like you could sell it to me But yea. The strong silent type definitely can carry a guy beyond his looks. I also subscribe to the idea that being genuine is important. You can't build goodwill if you're not. That might piss off the dark triad types, but that ain't my problem. It's crazy how variables like interactng with your hair through touch changes their demeanor right? Crazy how much it matters yet so many put so little thought into it. Boggles the mind. Anyway, thanks for sharing your story
@@lordofgingers Eye contact is another biggie. I am an INTJ so I have the penetrating stare ability unlocked. And, as a kid I had severe ADHD so if I wasn't looking a person in the eye, I wasn't paying attention. Many a time I was just conversing with a girl, or a woman and she would be telling me something, I would be focused on her, and there would be that moment, where you connect. The most memorable was in the army, getting a brief by an attractive black female NCO almost knee to knee, and she was explaining something to me and I was focused on her, and bam, that connection, and she was just staring into my eyes. She realized it and blushed. Made a black girl blush. For any guy reading it, a huge game changer is to look beyond the flesh, and try to see the spirit within. If you can interact with women and see past the physical, it like catches them off guard. They become curious You combine that with the comfortable steady gaze and I think that is how you make her feel like the only girl in the room. It has been proven the longer you stare into someones eyes, it creates a connection. You can youtube test done on the street with random strangers. Just stare into each others eyes for 30 seconds, and they instantly feel connected. One of the couples even started a relationship based on the 30 second stare.
Great video man! Your photofeeler results were very interesting to see indeed. But I have one disagreement overall. I actually think that jaw and hair are more important than the eye area. Based on my experience, it's kinda rare to see guys with "hunter eyes" or above average eye area, when you're going about your day. So I don't think that it's a necessity for getting a gf. It's more so a must if you want to work as a male model or an actor. From what I've usually witness IRL, the most important features are a great lower third, a full head of thick hair and full eye brows. If those are on point, I think you're good to go. (Assuming JBW and 6 ft+, of course)
Yea the hierarchy is hotly debated in the space this is just my take. But bug eyes or dark brown or black eyes can destroy a face despite everything else. That’s why I put it first but I see your point
I forgot what content creator I was listening to to how I found you, but you seem pretty kool. Your thought process and rationality is on point. I’d invite you to a gathering (no home-o).
Interesting video Pete. Looks like you put in a bit of work into this video. I got rated a 4 WW then I did what you did by utilizing PF. Using different photos and tests I consistently got rated at 5.3-5.7 on average. Being Asian and living in the west I will take it. The 4 WW rating probably added the ethnic tax averaging out to basically a 5. Makes sense.
Just saw an ugly guy (facially) in the park with a very hot girl at his side (at least an 8). At first I was flabbergasted but then realized the guy's other physical attributes he had going for him. He was at least 6'3" and very lean. Face is important but it's not the be all end all.
@@lordofgingers It just blew me away because this guy was really ugly (like a 3 facially). No doubt he could be used as an example by Redpill types of why "personality and game" matters but of course they would overlook the other physical aspects he had going for him.
regarding collagen regeneration: The single best thing is to consume additional collagen alongside an active lifestyle and other immune boosting nutrition such as vitamin D3, Omega 3, etc. This can be in bone broth, or skin. It's also very affordable as a powder 'bovine collagen'. The quantity of collagen you should consume for optimal skin and tissue strength is at least 15g a day, The more tissue regeneration you are doing the more you need - recovering from training? +15 collagen - deep wound in the last year? +15 collagen. There are no vegan options - for a hardline vegan, do NOT waste money on "collagen complexes", you need EEAs and Glycine. Some people will be fortunate enough that their natural chemical pathways will produce sufficient collagen when provided a surplus of the essential proteins and glycine.
I used photo feeler and consistently got a 3-4 in all categories......but somehow I should just be confident. That rating perfectly matches my experiences
24:00 I used photofeeler for 1 medium/kidna blury quality photo And score over 8 on atractiveness but about average on other factors 🤔🤣. I also used AI. Rating witch Is gathered rating of how women rate men, And got 8.85 - 9.9 depend on picture. Interesting stuff really. BTW keep doing what u do man. (English Is my second language BTW)
I'd be a total Chad if I had a hairline lol tho I'm 5'6 think that the case for most males who our receding in the front it a total break down of symmetry. taken the frame away from a beautiful artwork . I might get Microscalp Pigmentation pretty much a hairline tattoo. anytime I wear a hat I get looks and smile from the ladies take it off noooope
You may wish to consider finasteride or minoxidil. I have been using a combo spray from hims for about a month. Preliminary results look promising. But the tattoo would certainly be a more permanent solution if you’re the buzz cut kinda guy
@@lordofgingers I just started using minoxidil started around Jan. I order wildcrafted Saw palmetto Nettle leaf I might see if my doctor can prescribe me it because I do off and on suffer from prostate issue so might as well reap the benefits of finasteride . Been thinking about for weeks because seen a lot of men gain their hair back .
Height body and face all have niche appeal i have a goodlooking face so i cna capitalize online dating but in clubs and irl i realize women pay more attention to more physically dominant men who are taller woth large frames but the reason i said its a niche appeal ia because i used a relatiavely tall man with a great body on tinder with a avergae face and he did relatively well even better than me i think face matter more for relationships but hookup need sex appeal like body and height combined if you have all three your a genetic specimen most normies on these apps are bloated and not so groomed with small skeletal frames and skinny arms.
You don't simply look down on the lower third; jaw visibility, Chin pertuding, squaredness, and the jaw angle. Just look at those super Hero characters or... The giga Chad. You'll se similarities on them.
@@lordofgingers and oh you forgot something dude: the spacing between the eyes. Its much more important than the eye shapes or colours. Prime Stallone was quite cute although he got horrible negative C-tilt.
Holy crab, that experiment makes me think people expect to date Greek gods. And here I thought that if you put some nice clothes on and gain a bit of muscles (not to forget a sea raider's axe) you would look like quite cool.
Hey Pete, was your microphone turned on during this recording? Your audio is usually great, but in this video it seems as if the audio is coming straight from the camera.
It’s been known to happen sometimes. And because I am technologically dumb, I hold the L when it happens. You’ll notice some of my videos do this sometimes lol
Random thought Pete: You ever figure that people just can’t get it right in here because they’re trying to be productive members of the animal kingdom while only employing one or two of the five senses, Food for thought.
Perhaps. I just hope people find use out of something here. It’s difficult to talk about various topics that normally oppose one another in the space and somehow bring them together and keep them together
Do you have any idea why I could have scleral show, despite having positive tilted eyes, fairly high cheekbones as well as fairly averaged sized eyes? (2:1) I have a recessed maxilla, confirmed by multiple orthodontists and a very long mandible. Everyone of them suggests surgery is the best option to correct my bite but can this also effect the eyes? Since as a kid, I was nowhere near having scleral show but I am just 23 y/o.
I suspect recessed maxilla is the culprit. I have a similar (ish) thing but no underbite. My cheekbones are a tad low too So if it ain’t cheekbones, I’d guess maxilla
@@lordofgingers Thank you for the quick answer. I also don’t have a visible underbite. However my lower teeth bend backwards as my lower jaw apparently wants to move even further forward. My cheekbones are not super high but definitely next to the eyes. However due to the recessed maxilla, my lip alignment & chin position is off (about 7mm too far right.) Also my left Cheekbone sits seemingly higher than on the right side, even though scleral show is worse on that one. So I guess it really must be the maxilla, since surgeons told me it would look totally different after advancement (cheekbones more prominent, more symmetrical face) & also solve my sleep apnea.
I see some unattractive short or chubby men as escort clients and they get the most beautiful wives or girlfriends. They are all conversational..they are comfortable w women. They're not even Caucasian. Asian, Hispanic. I can see why women like them. It's their personality. I'm reading Atomic Attraction which is based on studies. Women do like certain features but confidence is key. Don't give up based on height or race. Idk how these guys do it...they just go after it.
Your experience is just an antidote. We have actual data that suggests otherwise. It also doesn't seem to agree with what most men see and experience. Sure, every blue moon I see an ugly or average guy with an above average woman, but usually it's because of their status and wealth, not their personality. Sure, they tend to have a good personality but it's only a correlation to their status. Men who achieve great things and have status usually have outgoing and confident personalities. But people are looking at their personalities as a reason why they have above average girl friends or wives, to make themselves feel better about their lack of sucess or ugliness, when in reality their women are with them because of their status and their personality just comes with it and is the cream on top.
When you pass the basic looks test, the guy you think is a 4/10 could make up for it. But there are traits that make a guy an 8/10 and lack of those traits can make a guy below a 4/10. To deny this is to deny reality. Also, you must factor in that they are unattractive to you. They may fail your looks test but not the next woman's. Market matters too. When a man is TRULY ugly? Hardlookmaxx or inceldom. You may not have the heart to tell them, but I do...because I know it's better to know that information and do something about it than live in ignorance based on a lie. Escortcel is one of the solutions of incels, for the record. Because they know the score. And that's okay. Everything you read in the books is NORMIES. Subfives are ignored when these things are written. There is a lot of those relationships you are not seeing. The transactional components of it...and tbh? We're not really bothered by it because we expect it to be that way. Can't change it. So...in closing...I believe this message needs to be sent.
@@thehylander266 Indeed. Many channels, such as Wheat Waffles, point out the virtue signaling thing. It ties perfectly hand in hand with social disapproval. But as a dude, I honestly say it ain't women's fauly that Blackops2cel doesn't make the cut....take it up with Charles Darwin I say. lol A normie with a Stacy makes sense because he passes the looks test. A subfive with a stacy on a validational basis (as opposed to transactional)....again...doesn't add up. Correct on the cope point...but acknowledging the cope is better than false hope. Being realistic with diagnosing the problem increases the chance of finding a real solution. The data is the data. We are not blaming women for their preferences. We're just finding the source and doing something about it.
Yes, I do see this sometimes. I knew a guy who was short, fat, and usually broke but he did well with at least slightly above average looking women through sheer force of personality, he knew how to push all the right buttons, but I would say this is rare, most guys are not likely to have this kind of verbal energy and charisma. Some can learn, it but that is very difficult and if its not who you are genuinely I'm not sure it can be maintained.
Its not about inches. ideal eyes are roughly 1:2.5 to 1:3. And also, I'd say for men is ideal both neutral and positive canthal tilt, you can even have very slight negative one, but u need great harmony to pull it off
One nit pick of the video I have. 3 inch eyes are fucking huge and would look inkwell no matter how your face looks. If you’re talking ratio’s though then I’d agree and that’s probably what you meant anyways.
Yea I looked back on that and realized I meant more along the lines of units, not inches...but my editing is so trash...that I was just like "eh...I'll chance it" I dishonor I know lol
I'd say I've got most things going for me except being 5'6". I'm kind of a leaner dude at 165lbs with some abs showing (especially in summer when down to 157-160ish) but it's kind of a 4-pack and a pooch along with a fat ass so I gotta keep some of the side body shots at bay otherwise I look like I'm fuckin marginally pregnant lol.
To be honest? I think it’s liberating. For years many men could walk around having absolutely NO clue where they stand. Now? You can figure out exactly where you’re at and not only that, but you can DO something about it Thanks for stopping by brother
Dude you make all these videos and yet you don’t seem to have a clue as to how this stuff works. You think your issue is your face, uhh no. I obviously don’t know you but I’d be willing to bet it comes down to your social skills. This is what I refer to as the elephant in the room in the manosphere. Your face is at lest average, combined with your height you should have NO issue pulling women IF you are comfortable in your own skin and know how to talk to women/people in general
If you want to shift the discussion from the idea to me, I would recommend checking out the playlist about me so you know why I (personally) stopped trying. I’m well aware I pass the basic looks test.
Well if you look at one of the purposes of my channel: To compose a comprehensive manosphere library....that means I have to go everywhere in the space and consume and collect the information. The videos throughout the channel have plenty of shoutouts. I don't expect you to keep a log. But if you want to paint it that way...feel free to spread that everywhere to get my sub count down to zero....as I said...this isn't about money or clout.. It's about stopping men from roping, giving them access to as much manosphere content as possible in one place from all corners of the space and so on. By your logic, everyone is parroting everyone and nobody's content is original.....which has some kernel of truth to it. Your comments have been mostly critical and noted...but I do not intend to change course because of it. Anything else?
@@lordofgingers Yea and the _"uh I totally stop men from roping, look what a good boi I am"_ * part you got from Rollo Tomassi & Terrence Popp. You think everyone here is stupid?! * without any real proof
@@lordofgingers Nah, the issue is people like you & Starcrust are clearly & quite obviously binge watching streams like medicann's as well as other more underground incel content, then even planning their videos based on them, all while pretending to not even be actual incels LOOOL comical
@@swires1 Bruh.... I know who medicann is only because he's commented on my videos a few times...I didn't even know he had a channel until you just told me.(which I just looked at for the first time btw....looks interesting)...and if you actually bothered to ask....it was actually Cassie Jaye's "The Red Pill" documentary that motivated me to have that goal to pull men out of that nihilistic valley before they do something stupid. It's clear that goodwill and trust isn't on the table with you, you clearly think I'm so con artist who is tricking people into....what, exactly? Watching my stuff and giving me no money? You are looking for boogeymen that do not exist. I know one of IncelTV's rules is trust no one. So you're entitled to not place any in me, but bruh. I got nothing against you. So yea...I got nothing else to say, but it's clear that you have no intention of taking me or my channel seriously....and you don't have to. If medicann is your cup of tea and that helps you...then that's good enough for me...you're still alive, after all...and that's good.
