What's going on with Mortal Kombat?! 

Next time we shall actually address the issues with MK1 😂

11 and 1 don’t feel like X at all

I'm so glad Rewind said that at the beginning because MK is TOO different between games. SF is 100% legacy skill.

MK9, IJ, MKX, IJ2, MK11 & MK1 are objectively mechanically different games.saying they’re all the same is just incorrect lol

I appreciate Rewind for just being staight up and telling him that his take is awful cause it really is 😭

Characters in NRS games have different strings and special moves in every MK. The way your character works, fundamentally changes in every game. Street Fighter (and Tekken,) have shown the characters' legacy moves/movesets more love. Imagine if in SF7, Ryu doesn't do Shoryuken anymore, instead it's a divepunch. and he has no ex fireball. THAT's the type of stuff we deal with in the NRS scene. And, I HATES IT!!!

Africa has some amazing underrated MK1 players but Netherealm aint giving them the chance to be part of the Pro Kompetition and its really sad

18:59 "I wish it (Mortal Kombat) was more dark". The words they're looking for is "atmosphere". The MK classics were Very atmospheric with dots of humour everywhere, including the cartoonish violence, preventing the tone to not get too heavy. It's like the old Fallout games.

Love how rewind called cap right in the beginning with Chris saying every mk felt the same , bruh , the meter management has been changed each time since mkx, the movement has been different in all 3 , 11 has krushing blows , mk1 added kameos , the wake up options are also different , up 2 in 11 and wake up armor in mk1 and mkx….what the hell is Chris on lol

That's the one thing we can agree on. I miss the darker spirit and aura of MK.

NRS is like a Sprint with Skill Cap/ SF is like a marathon. Both are a type of "race" both they require different approaches of a grind and execution of performance

Street fighter 4 5 and 6 are Wwwwwaaaaayyy more similar to each other than MK 9, 10, and 11 and injustice.

Saw this segment of the stream (fire video btw) but the issue with Mortal Kombat 1 is that most of the kameo roster (which is the main component of the game) pretty much suck with a lot of characters. There is no reason to use someone like Sonya with Kenshi for example. Once all the kameos are as buffed as the dlc ones the game will benefit more. I also can’t agree that every nrs mk game feels the same 11 and 1 definitely play different from each other just from the fact 11 had core fundamentals mechanics that were completely flawed.

NRS needs to release a skin that gives all proceeds to tournament prize pools.

The japan of SF is the south america of MK. We have japanese players, they just speak spanish🤣🤣🤣

That’s why MK is in the position it’s in now. Because it’s nothing like X 😭

What I took from this conversation - These two are homies, and I still don't understand what's going on with MK1.

One of the biggest problem with Mk is risk reward is sooo unbalanced, small risk, high reward

@Chris Tatarian. I miss the music that was playing in the menu off mk4. It set the dark tone, the stages had dark music in them aswell. Now we got a violin playing on the background...

I find SF6 being the most difficult compared to T8 and MK1. I do play all but the mental stack that SF6 has is too draining; too much too look out for. You go from one situation to the next really fast; decision speed. SF6 may be "easier" to pick up, but it doesn't mean you're fundamentally strong or a strong player (especially against a worldwide comp scene). Legacy skill is a huge advantage in Tekken due to the large roster and movelists. Small margin of the NRS scene is consistent, too many talk more than running the set! Fighting games are difficult in their own ways, this is just my opinion as someone who's been playing for long time. MK2 and KI were my first back in the day and I miss the dark atmospheres those games had.

We gotta give "hardest competition" to Tekken. Then SF, then MK. Tekken has Japanese, Korean, Thai, Pakistani, EU, NA. You name it, they got it. But i agree with some of Rewind's points about staying good in NRS games. You have to learn a new game every 2 years. With SF and Tekken, there isnt much change to the mechanics for like 6 or 7 years, so you can settle into them over time. You have a better chance to get to the top and stay there because of it.

The block button thing is real, I remember it feeling so weird when I first tried MK11

Damn another good talk. Nice to see you digging into all fighting games

People shit on nrs games and tbf they have valid points but Mortal kombat is hard af to stay on top.

Nah bro, MK keeps changing so much from game to game. :D honestly I think MK 1 is mostly fine. BUUUUUUUUUUUUUT. That is after almost a 9 months of Patches.

Really did enjoy Rewinds insight on comparing both games. More of that please.

Chris T i hope you interview MK Tom Brady one day, he’ll give you great in-depth reasons on why the MK games and MK FGC scene have been in the gutter for nearly a decade.

Discussions like this are basically like the Boxing Vs MMA discussion. Everyone in their own field is gonna feel like their own is hard and guess what, it is in their own regards. Definitely feel the Street Fighter bias has put thick layers of rose tinted glasses on its players and they often feel they have the better everything. Teching a throw in SF is so easy that people just feel to do it own wake up to basically tech by default. Whereas MK you actually have to know where to tech whether back or front. I’d love to see a discussion like this have a wider panel rather than two going back and forth. Weakest discussion thus far. Still enjoyed the episode.

Yeah that’s crazy. MKX feels nothing like 11 and 1. Why I had to drop MK and move on to SF and Tekken, MKX felt fast, not as fast as Tekken. But more in line with SF. MK11 and 1 feel so slow. And awesome content regardless btw

Chris needs to understand that the US is "Japanese Players" when it comes to NRS, and Marvel. Like Koreans used to be in Tekken, and Starcraft

“We play the world” boy sit down. 🤣💀

I'm a Gen X'r and I grew up on arcades when you had to go up and put your quarter up on the screen and wait your turn and SFII was where you earned respect. When MK showed up a few years later, it was very different to SF because of the block button and the different combo timing. But we had so many different style fighting games with Virtua Fighter, Fatal Fury, King of Fighters, Killer Instinct that it was hard to master just one, especially since the arcade version was not the same as the console version. I think the biggest difference is going from a fighting stick to a pad, I cannot fight on a pad.

Dope ass Interview but can we talk 1 at a time por favor? the interruptions are excessive.

Saying "MK1 feels like MK11" is wild... But everyone has an opinion. The gameplay for both are DRASTICALLY different.

This was a great conversation. Truly. I'ma die hard mk since the beginning of the series and I also love street fighter. I can admit I love mk more but street fighter is also part of my childhood memories and we definitely need to be like this on both sides to enjoy watching each other even though we don't play as much. I love Tekken, decent at it but love watching someone like Majin just kick butt with king. It's just two different opinions and no hate except of just wanting to understand why we love what we love. Trust, as mk players we want the better things that should have been in the game in the beginning but we just have no control like rewind said. Great pod. BIG UPS TO BOTH THE HOMIES FOR TALKING IT OUT!!

Unfortunate that MK gets banned in some places I wonder how crazy it could get if everyone could play

Honestly imo a lot of the problems with NRS games can be solved simply by ending the 2 year cycle they got going on. Not only would that give them time to optimize the game so that it actually works on all platforms but they can also balance the game even further and flesh out the mechanics more. SF also makes it so each game is mechanically different from each other but the reason why it works for them and not MK is that they actually take time and make sure the mechanics are fine tuned. And if NRS is going to stick with the 2 year cycle why tf are they not reusing assets like strings and specials?? One of the easiest ways NRS can cut corners while also giving players what they want through legacy skill and kitted out characters, but they just don’t. Like it’s straight up self sabotage at that point.

13:54 I think that may be the worst take ever and I hate that it came from my favorite FG player. The tech system in MK is bar none the worst, it is terrible. Strike Throw is infinitely more bearable and fairer than a throw with guaranteed initial damage that leads to a true left right sequence with no indication of direction for where you are being thrown. It's Tekken's system without indicating hands to let you know what throw type it is.

Rewind knows his stuff. Big respect for that man

Crazy he's saying the games are basically the same. They literally overhaul 90% of moves and nothing works the same lol. Street Fighter and Tekken have the same moves but different mechanics with one or two new moves lol

I started fighting games with MK but the moment I played street fighter, tekken, and other fighting games, I just felt that MK didn’t give me the same competitive feeling. MK characters and move sets just doesn’t feel right to me. It feels like the same thing over and over and I’m forced to play how the creators want me to play instead of how I want to play.

Rewind was talking about me when he said “some players are still learning how to use the block button”.

I loved mk9 I was weak as hell at. X tho I’m not the strongest Mortal Kombat player, but I don’t like how many people shit on 11. Best customization ever besides when you literally could create player back in the day. MK one is decent. I don’t understand why it gets so much hate for the people who really know how to play the game it looks good and they pull off some crazy kombos I wish I can play MK one at a high-level

The opinions from Chris honestly come off as baseless. Heavy SF fan, just can’t convince these guys. If he played these fighters thoroughly, I guarantee you they nearly will see eye to eye. Every fighter has its own style, difficulty scale: SF, MK, Tekken. Only rating from depth in general. But honestly, if they can both agree on the complexity of Tekken compared to SF, that kinda deads the middle ground tbh. Props to Rewind bringing awareness all around

MK does change everything about the game, to the character normals.

this has got to be the least productive conversation i’ve ever heard like this is for real just some dumb shit. tf is even the point arguing about this

My boi shut that bullshit down quick in the beginning 😂😂😂 homie just regurgitating other peoples opinions trying to make it fact lol

Nrs is hard as fuck. Yall gotta block button lmfaooooo

17:38 Chris is really speaking truth here. What happened to the darkness and horror of Mortal Kombat? That’s definitely what attracted me to the game and now it seems to be gone or white washed.

Mortal Kombat games are made from the ground up every iteration. This is by word of Ed Boon.

Rewind is speaking facts. I haven't played MK1 yet because I still have the muscle memory from MK11 that I don't want to change. I haven't played SF in over 10 years and recently jumped into SF6 and for the most part Ken's basic moves since the arcade days are still the same. However, NRS is slowly killing itself mainly because that studio is going against the main principles from back then that made it successful. NRS is the issue. Period. Capcom is a better studio and understands what made Street Fighter Street Fighter.

So the first point raised , I think the disconnect between the question of “ why do all modern mk games feel the same?” And his answer “ no they are all wildly different “ Is actually with how he worded the question. While the outer layers of system mechanics like variations, stage interaction and kameo all change from game to game the engine and animations and game feel all feel too similar , it’s like saying groves or isms in streeet fighter alpha are as drastic a change as going from alpha to third strike .I actually agree all modern mk play differently but feel the same

Collab more with kizzy, jwong, yipes or punk when you want to transition games.

Imo there is no tech when it comes throwing in mk. Its just a guess and always a guess. I think if mk had an universal tech button, it could open more creativity to the characters

I play MK11.

The fact that Chris thinks the MK games feel the same shows the man hasn’t played them (at least not for long). The dark tone of MK is gone because of what is happening in the story. But I too hope we go back to a darker feel. Great video as always!

I don’t think Chris has ever sat down and played a MK or Injustice game lol. The only games that have remained very similar were Inj1/Inj2. MK9 is so different from MKX, MKX is completely different from MK11, and MK1 feels like a whole different games from MK11. Some legacy stuff has remained like uppercuts, sweeps, and certain specials like ice ball but the game has drastically changed. That’s honestly what has bothered me so much as a MK fan. I hate the fact that game uses the button layout it does with the forward + back punches and forward + back kicks or 1, 2, 3, 4. I hate how the button combinations also turn into strings no matter what distance you’re at too. I’m not opposed to target combos or dial ups but these strings should only come out when they land, not from across the screen lol. It’s just something NRS stole from Tekken when they went to 3D and then they kept it. MK’s layout only changed because it went fully 3D after mk4 but can you imagine MK if it kept its original layout with the high + low punch and high + low kick layout? That old style of MK is what made MK feel like MK to me. If you did repeatedly press the punches or spam them, then those series of low or high punches would come out until you stopped pressing them. You could even mix them up by pressing high punch, low punch, high punch. Or two lows and a high. Either way, it gave MK this feel to it that was MK. MK2 had command normals like Baraka’s swipe but they weren’t as apparent and there were no overheads in MK until the 3D era so I imagine MK would have evolved to the point where command normals and mix ups would have been a thing by this point. Either way, MK has changed a lot and it’s honestly been a bad thing to me because since mk9, every MK has been better to me and I felt like the lifespan should have lasted longer than it did. People complained so much about MK11 but I wish they were still supporting that game and while people like Tom Brady continue to cry about MK1. I think MK1 is NRS’ best fighting game of all time. Now is it a great fighter compared to all the fighting games that are out or have come out? Far from it nor is it balanced but it’s NRS’ best work IMO.

It's hard being an NRS player when you got to deal with a lot of cheap players on the game you play

I respeck the loyalty for sure, did we catch you playing SF and Tekken yea get em outta here 😂

Street Fighter feels much more alike than MK games. MK went from 2D to 3D to tag team to coop story back to 2D, then variations in MKX and MK11 which then were removed in MK1 when cameos where added. Even the pace of the games changes game to game. Street fighter seems to change moves into certain mechanics but besides that it’s always legacy.

Nah listening to bro say SF is the most difficult game to play because of competition was actually killing my brain. Its been Tekken and always has been. Tekken is universally considered the most in-depth and technical fighting game there is. Street Fighter fanboys just be saying bullshit to hear themselves, I swear

MK1 is my all time favorite fighting game.

NRS is 1 slice a cake. They will only give you 1 slice, and you dont get to pick what kind of cake you want. You stand in line and wait for your slice likes its a cafeteria. Tekken is you being given that whole cake and being able to chose which slice you want. Do you want a slice with a lot of frosting or no frosting? Do you want a big slice or a little slice? STREET FIGHTER, is like you being given all the ingredients and instructions needed to make a cake and being told "Good Luck and Have Fun", And when you look around, dudes are making beautiful 4 layer chocolate chip cakes, cheese cakes, some dudes just set their oven on fire, some guys are struggling to make the batter. But they give you access to the entire kitchen and anything that you would need to help you make a cake.

What's your favorite character of mk chris? Good episode!

I use the exact same base gameplay from SF2 in SF6. But MK is designed to not have legacy skill. I stopped play MK1 because it has a support system which I hate.

Tell me you didn't play mk without telling me you didn't play mk...all those games are so different

This segment was titled the problems with MK1, but beyond the first 30 seconds you guys just talk about comparisons between the two and then Rewind went off about how NRS changes and releases new games much more quickly. You might want to retitle this segment as it’s not addressing the issues with MK1

Your thumbnail takes optimism from it getting better. It’s a great game.

That’s true The game isn’t the same I mean you can’t compare x to 11 and say they look the same Same applies for 1 to 11

I wouldn’t say mk has lost its dark edge it’s just not nearly focused on as like the whole action movie aspect that it now has cuz like u still got Shang tsung doing inhumane experiments, ruthlessly killing ppl like he did with reptiles family but it’s not focused on as heavy as everything else rn with alternate timelines, titans etc bcuz we just started liu kangs era of peace going on a downward spiral

I'm only about 20 seconds into the video making this comment but Mkx and Mk11 have VERY drastically different mechanics. Mk1 and Mk11 are very different as well.

To Rewind: I'm glad that your fan base is MK strictly cuz I also wouldn't watch SF or Tekken videos cuz I'm just interested in MK.

I tried playing again and omni man feels like i barely get a turn to press a button and turned it back off

Warner bros definitely don’t got more money they are currently $3 billion in the hole after merging with discovery which led happened during MK1’s lifecycle n they were trying to figure out licensing, what’s getting out as tax write offs etc at that time that’s why they been making all these live service games n stuff

Rewind cold af at street fighter bruh I loved his videos bruh

You did the mistake an interviewer should never do. Give your opinion on something you don't know that can be fact checked while in front of an expert on the matter. That MK games are similar take tainted your whole interview. But it was still fun to watch

Street fighter is hard game for sure but it ain’t harder than tekken it’s a fact street fighter being the hardest game in the since of competition that has to go to tekken but Mk1 vs street fighter tho I agree

I mess with you chris but you are 100% wrong non of the mks play the same bro ...... i think you look at the movelist button layouts and think it plays the same but its not .......

We need MK Tom Brady on this

Its honestly the opposite for me the games are entirley different from game to game. There is a reason people still play mkx and mk9 to this day

I feel what rewind sayin.

Hey @rewindNY and any other creators don't playing other games because of views. You could make a second channel to get the audience of the people that do want to see you playing Street Fighter. It sounds a lot of work, but it can make you have a backup plan in case that game dies or some other opportunity comes around the corner. It's smart to diversify, and if your audience is well defined on your curent channel, it is wise to have a second one that you can build without hurting the main one. On the business side is good too, companies can see you as more of a professional player than only a player in a specific niche. Of course I'm talking only about the creator side, the competitor side is a whole different story.

Feels the same.....the only way i think somebody could say that is if they aint put it no time and frustrated how different the mk games are it takes a completely different approach and style from any other arcade fighter

Rewind is correct. MK changed mechanics every game.

NRS is goofy. I've been saying for years they need to get some help from the East with developing gameplay mechanics and balance. How many people are playing MK1 on Steam currently versus SF6? Vs GBFV?

Chris first great Interview with Rewind and Rewind u a Monster Bro, i am a Die Hard Street Fighter Fan and a Mortal Kombat Fan, for me Mortal Kombat 1 is so much more attractive than Street Fighter 6 buy Far in alot of aspects skill Combos Neutral Defense so Hard

No disrespect to Street Fighter it's an amazing game but MK is changing way too drastically every time and I'm a casual but I'm happy Rewind is on the same opinion as me! In MK11 even the amplify was different and you had no cameos and the combos were harder to land and the brutalities had some crazy requirements that you had to remember and you had variations. In MK1 your variations are your cameos and. In MK11 you had krusing blows which were vital for your combos cuz you didn't have lots of combo potential outside of them while in MK1 you have lots of combo potential but you don't have the cameos. In MK11 you hade defensive meter which was a nice mechanic for me but now you don't have it in MK1. PS: That's just the latest 2 instalments of NRS I don't even know details about the previous ones.. :D

This dude Chris clearly has only played SF and is talking so much out his ass about a series he knows nothing about

No offense. The closest feeling of 1 MK title feeling like another iw MK11 and MK1, and even then, it aint that much. The games are completely different. If they feel the same to you, you are ignorant

MK11 was not that different from MKX in terms of darkness I mean it just had more colors which is not bad and all the Brutalities looked way cooler in MK11 and the graphics in general are better. Regarding MK1 though yeah I can agree that they have made it a bit too light even character designs!

The fact Rewind is playing Cammy in SF is funny cuz she is the only reason I'm actually considering buying SF6 :D

In my opinion MK all feel very different in a bad way. What was liked before in the community is thrown in the trash for the next game for no reason. Characters have completely new moves and iconic moves are changed so much they barely resemble what they were before. That feeling of them feeling similar is because its so different to Street Fighter, in that SF has legacy move sets. SF can spend more time changing the FEEL of the game and add new mechanics to create a fresh experience, with new moves added in.

MK isnt available in some countries for gore reasons no?

Well done on this interview

Chris ain never played a mk in his life 😭😭 😭

This guy at the beginning complaining about MK games feeling too much like MK gotta be one of the dumbest complains from an MK player 😅

MKX, MK11 and MK1 are definitely not the same type of games nor are they updates from one another. Wtf.

Love Rewind, but holy crap, he interrupts Chris in every single moment

Did he just say MK11 felt like MKX.5? Yeah hell nah.

Wish MK go back to the drake era, now everybody seems like fucking super hero. Remember dark ages Raiden in MkII, dark as fuck now it’s a generation Z she her