1: Stern 2: Audio, Adieu, or Audit depending on what hits in word #1. In order of priority: the T is yellow, I choose Audit. If the E is yellow I choose Adieu. Otherwise I choose Audio 3: Champ, Chimp, Chomp, or Chump for word 3 depending on what hits in the first 2 words. Always choose Chomp if I used Adieu or Audit to make up for the lost O
My brother and I used to play battleship. I won the first round by consistently guessing spots that could contain the most ships. On the second round, my brother hid his ships towards the edge so that guessing in the center would be wasted guesses. He won. My conclusion was that in battleship, you want to hide your ships in such a way so that the other player is indifferent to a particular opening choice, for larger ships it is better to hide the ship just a bit closer to an edge than picking a spot uniformly at random.
1: Ourie 2: Salty Guess #1 covers 4 of the 5 vowels while guess #2 covers the 5th vowel, the tricky "sometime a vowel - y" while also incorporating 3 other common consonants. This strategy has worked well for me.
This kinda works but if you want to get more greens you have to keep in mind the positioning of the letters. For example, r is usually good in the second position or the second to last position.
Considering the frequency of all letters, I find 'IRATE' very useful. It contains the first, second, third, fourth and sixth most frequently used letters in the language. Second word will depend on the outcome of the first word.
Surely is about the frequency of letters in 5 letter words, and even more so in the words that are actually possible answers in the game (they only use fairly common words so not obscure ones). There will be some letters that are common in longer words, but not the possible answers. With this information you can make better educated guesses. Irate might be a great guess, it looks good to me, and gives you a lot of information, but I'm not sure using the most frequently used letters in all words is the way to go.
@@mattpotter8725 you are right. Mine was just a simplified assumption. Main thing I thought was that a 5 letter word should contain at least one and quite possibly 2 vowels and A, E and I are the most frequent vowels hence I selected IRATE.. If no vowel appears then I go for MOUND which contains quite common letters and the remaining vowels.
I think its much more interesting to think about what are the best 2 or even 3 guesses for Wordle. I'm no wordsmith, but often guess STEAM-> COUGH->BLIND because it gets all the vowels and a lot of good consonants. I'll only deviate if one of my first two guesses gives me 3 or more letters.
I use SHARE, POINT as my first 2 guesses. It contains 4 of the 5 vowels and also some common occurring consonants. If necessary, I use MUCKY as my third guess as it contains the last vowel(U) , Y(which can also be used as a vowel sometimes) and some other common consonants. I usually get the answer in 4th try after this. Although a letter occurring twice in the word confuses me.
Statistically the best first word is ORATE. It has the highest frequencies of letters used in all words. Use words where you don’t repeat the same letters already used and are incorrect. Stare, doing, lucky, junks, Whomp, Calyx, Fritz.
Roate is slightly better position wise, and Soare trades T being more common than S for S being really likely to be the first letter, and R in a better spot.
I think irate is better. the 5 most common letters are e, a, r, i, o respectively. theres no word with all five of those letters but t is 6th most common and replacing o with t leaves us with the letters of irate. However I think if artie is allowed that would be even better because it starts with a which i believe is a more common starting letter than i
most words have a vowel in it, and if adieu is played and only the e is good, then there is likely to be an "o" in the word. of course the d is no good but knowing an o and an e are likely and a lot of words have oke, ore, and oce for endings, one may be inclined to try the word chore out to see what it might hold
I picked TINES for the first time ever playing, because it has some of the most common letters in the alphabet, T, E, S. Got the answer correctly on the 3rd row. I will try it again if I play again. Obviously playing against a human would be different, as the video points out. It's brutal playing Scrabble against a computer.
Three words that work well for me are “round”, “climb”, and “hates”. You cover all 5 vowels, and the 10 consonants are the letters that are used most often in words. This method is not good if you want to solve the puzzle in three words or less, but the increased number of letters gives you a better chance of winning. Most of the time I solve the in four tries.
Note that "round" could be a somewhat dangerous word in hard mode, at least if one is interested in worst-case outcomes, since a four-greens response woudl make it necessary for a player to use a separate guess for each of bound, found, hound, mound, pound, sound, and wound.
I wonder how often numerical analysis is used do detect when a particular scenario which has typically been dominated by random effects or random behavior has fairly suddenly become dominated by strategic behavior.
Without giving my words, I start every day with three words. It takes away the possibility of guessing the correct word in two or three lines(although it WAS my second word once). The three words I start with have no duplications and use all the vowels including Y! Only 11 consonants are not in my first three words. Most times I get at least three letters….sometimes all five and then the fourth line is usually the final word!
The most common letters have the smallest value in the word game Scrabble tiles, leading me to first two words LIONS URATE The most common letters are on the left hand side of the QWERTY keyboard to slow down the operator leading me to try TRADE then LIONS. early low number of guesses successes have led me to stick to those 3d word is currently CHUMP which seems to prevent the scenario where only 1 letter is unknown but there are 7 possible fits. So far I am only being beaten by words I do not know. If I can settle on a method I might write a program.
I've played #1 ALIEN and #2 STORY a lot lately, with good success (4s and 3s more than 5s). Between them, they have the four most used vowels A E I and O and the most common consonants (as used on the Wheel of Fortune bonus rounds - R S T L N and E). The Y comes up in the final words somewhat frequently, so if it's not in the solved word, it's helpful to rule it out early in the game. I used to use MIAOU as #1 and then STYLE as#2 to capture all of the vowels, the Y, and three of the common consonants. Both choices work well. More often than not, with either combination, I get three of the letters in the final word. Once I have three, I use pencil and paper to shuffle the three around, writing down possibilities. Then on turn #3, I choose the most common of the possibilities. Sometimes I get it on 3, but more often it's on 4. I get it on 5 when there are more than three or four good possibilities and I simply chose the wrong word.
@@FidgetMDCCLXIV Since I wrote this, my new starting word is ROATE. I have been very happy with it. This has an A as does SCAIL. What would be the best 2nd word after ROATE?
I usually beat wordle in the 4th, 5th, or 6th guess. My strategy is to go Tubes, then Fling, then Champ, then Wordy. This knocks out all the common letters. So the word can only have the letters that were revealed, or the letters that were revealed + a duplicate, or the letters that were revealed + an uncommon letter
The best starter isn't just the most vowels, it should be some letters you don't use often, and if you get some yellows/greens, you can use those with letters you do use often, to get a good word.
I would say that if you use "adieu" and you find out four of the letters are excluded and only "e" is left you have obtained a lot of information. I wonder how much power the word setter actually has in the face of logic. In regular colour mastermind there is none (its not really a strategic game). You can make your first guess before your opponent sets out the colours, and do just as well as if you wait to make your first guess. I do agree that in hangman/wheel of fortune there is a lot of strategy in choosing the word based on what your opponent will guess.
@@mesplin3 Yes but there is no game theory in mastermind, it is all logic. It would be competitive, but with two good players it would be like snakes and ladders. I am not sure if you play mastermind but to illustrate what I mean a good mastermind player will do just as well if they guess before the combination is set (i.e., the setter knows the combination) or if they guess afterwards. There is nothing devious the setter can do. In Wordle I am not sure if the same applies.
@@DANIELMABUSE suppose the setter cheats. He doesn't pick a combination or rather picks a few combinations that have nothing in common. Then as the guesser picks combinations the setter chooses whichever combination takes the guesser the most turns to get right. I'd argue that the cheating setter has an advantage against an honest setter.
@@mesplin3 The word version of this is called Absurdle. I am not sure it would have any effect on Mastermind actually but would have to do the math to be sure. I think the setter would simply have the same constraints as the guesser, and would have to provide a new combination consistent with all the clues. If the setter simply put down a random guess inconsistent with previous clues then presumably that can go on a long time. Forever almost. But that is hardly interesting.
@@DANIELMABUSE when I say the setter cheats, I do not mean that the setter is being inconsistent with the clues. I'm assuming that the clues are perfectly consistent. When I say the setter cheats, I mean that the setter thinks of several combinations and finally picks one when necessary. For example, assume there is only 1 slot and 4 different colors {R,Y,B,G}. An honest setter will pick a color, ie {Y} and the guesser takes a few turns to correctly identify the correct color. A cheating setter won't pick a color til the guesser has exhausted all other colors. "You can make your first guess before your opponent sets out the colours, and do just as well as if you wait to make your first guess." I disagree with this.
I vaguely remember playing either Wordle or something like it when I was a kid, and I doubt I would have thought about it again (at least for a long time) were it not for this video! I was also interested to see a conversation already going strong in the comments. Thanks for building a fun, interesting place for people like me to hang out!
I'd like to see more analysis of how hard mode would interact with this. Words that fit the pattern S_A_E would have a high likelihood of having the opponent land in a situation where multiple words would be possible, but each guess would only be able to eliminate one.
I always play hard mode. I did a search of the database today and found guesses to stay away from as long as possible: _IGHT (9 solutions) and _OUND (8 solutions). Making one of these guesses early can lock you in.
@@NoobDab1 I don't think four-letter-placed scenarios are the only problem. If one guesses BIGOT and gets _IG_T, I think one would be stuck having to individually guess DIGIT, EIGHT, FIGHT, LIGHT, MIGHT, NIGHT, RIGHT, SIGHT, TIGHT, WIGHT--ten solutions.
@@NoobDab1 Actually, on further consideration my example was flawed: after getting _IG_T, one could guess EIGHT and based upon the response know not only whether the answer was EIGHT, but also whether it was DIGIT, so one would be no worse off than with _IGHT, but having to separately guess nine words is still pretty terrible.
A group of us play every day and post our guesses. One of the members also uses ADIEU as a starting word. Knowing this, am I cheating if I pick a different starting word?
I use pause, cause or poise because I like to try and get a handle on the vowels. I am thinking of trying liase next ( if Wordle will accept that alternate spelling of liaise.)
The thinking in all these videos is wrong. You need to come up with TWO words that use up most of the most common letters. Use guesses 1 and 2 like this and the amount of information is then enough to get the word in guess 3 or 4. I've done about 100 games and am averaging just under 4 guesses, with no fails. FYI - RAISE & COUNT
Since I only ever play the computer I always use the following 3 words as my opening words - Adieu, Short and Money if It is needed. Sometimes I have been lucky and guessed a word in 2 or 3 guesses. But most of the time I get it in 4 guesses. I'm pretty happy with that.
First 2 gusses get rid of letters ACEILNORST. Commonly used letters. STAIR/CLONE CRATE/LOINS SCONE/TRAIL LATER/COINS TRICE/LOANS AROSE/CLINT CRIES/TONAL COAST/LINER LASER/TONIC
I use TRAIN and HOUSE. Covers the vowels, popular consonants, and the H appears in many blends (tho. maybe might have more luck with LOUSE?). Often guess the word on the 3rd try tho. get tripped up with multiple words that all have the same 4-letter ending (atch/ough/each...).
I didnt find this video particularly helpful. Wordle as it stands is a solvable game meaning that there must be a starting word that is objectively best.
I always start with SOARE (Same letters as Arose but in more common positions), and UNITY is one of my three secondary guesses (the others being CLINT and UNLIT)