What's the deal with CFMOTO? Would You buy a Chinese Motorcycle? 

I have the 650Nk and have been riding for 3 years and not one problem and just clocked 66000kms, i am still amazed at how good this bike is carn't wait for the 800NK , everyone should get on one and give them a go, it may just make you smile. AUS

I supervise learners around Brisbane and a fair few are buying / riding the CF Moto 300 .. it's a good little bike and there is dealer down in Springwood / Underwood on the other side of the highway from where all the other bike stores are. A lot of these other brands have parts made in china, India and the Phillipines anyway so the argument that it is a Chinese bike is a bit redundant in my opinion. Keep up the great videos mate. :)

I bought a 450SR a couple days after they were released in Australia and I reckon they’re amazing. I don’t have much to compare it to, but for a first bike, I couldn’t ask for more.

I bought a CLX Sport about a week ago (it's my 10th bike in 20 plus years) and its every bit as good as any other bike that I have owned. Some of its quirks remind me of the Ducati that I used to own but compared to the Duc, I bought my CFMOTO for $5,990 (year end sale in the US) vs $14,000 for the Duc.

Have a 450sr in sydney.. rides brilliant. Better than a ninja 400 every possible way. Only time will tell how reliable. Have my hopes high, though..

I have the 2019 400NK, a naked bike that can do 200kph. 400cc, 2 cylinders, 41HP, 30NM, 206kgs, 6-speed transmission...utilitarian, useful, simple, effective for what they are and very affordable. I bought mine for 209,000 PH Pesos. I have over 10,000kms on my bike already and I have not experienced any problem whatsoever with it since 2020. My bike has stainless steel-braided brake lines, something that even the popular Japanese bikes don't have from factory. Here are my nitpickers. 1. No ECU flash available in mainstream ECU Tuning Softwares like Woolich 2. Very little performance aftermarket parts available (bespoke) for my bike 3. Forks are non-adjustable but I am lucky that they are spec'd to my weight 4. It's heavy, power-to-weight ratio is not that desirable Yet, the positives outweighs the negatives. My bike is very affordable. You can never find a similar bike in the same price range. The build quality is commendable. The bike looks good and feels good. The suspension geometry is actually really nice. The bike handles corners like a sportsbike. With better tires, it will be faster in corners even though is it heavy and has low HP. The components are very well above the average. The JJuan Brake system is amazing specially with upgraded sintered brake pads. The throttle response is not that bad but most riders who removed the factory catalytic converter reported throttle delays in the lower rpm, which is expected anyway. Overall, the CFMoto 400NK I have is great value for money. I definitely got more than what I have paid for. I believe the low price of the CFMoto bikes is mainly because of the low mark-up on R&D cost since CFMoto adopted old technology from other companies. The NK series of bikes have been linked to the ER series of Kawasaki bigbikes. Now that CFMoto is with KTM, most of the KTM tech will be adopted to the new CFMoto bikes like the 800MT or the IBEX 800, the 800NK and even the CLX series were noted to have been inspired by retro technologies from other companies.

I've had many big bikes , Kawasaki, Honda, Yamaha, and Ducati. All were great bikes. But I investigated as much as I could on the CFMOTO motorcycles and was very very surprised! Most of their bikes are incredible, and will definitely surprise most! I simply sat on the 300SR and flipped! I rode it in the mountain ranges with Twisties it is Bliss!! The price, and the look of the bikes are just fabulous, seriously!! The quality level is king here!! Next to try is the 450SR another gem! Absolutely wonderful recommendable bikes for sure!! My favorites are the Super Sport, and the nakeds.

Damn! I like this kind of review😊

Economy of scale, that's how they do it. China is an enormous country with a population comperable to all of Europe and North America Combined. Their industrial capacity is outrageously huge, to the point where they have factories with as many employees as many western cities have citizens.

I have just purchased my second CFMOTO this one being a 2023 650nk. My first one was great and did have an issue with the ECU, apart from that the bike was quality. The 3 year warranty on the new one is what lead me towards it as well as it looking real good!

They introduced their Kawi equivalents here in India a few years ago, but I haven’t seen even a single motorcycle onroad till now !

I bought the 300NK and the 650 Aventura and love them both and for the price and what they come with ....you just cant beat it.

Just purchased a new 650 GT, Great Bike quality is very good I was waiting for the CF450 Mt, 6 have landed in the UK this week packed with state of the art tech.

Hey kwackajack, hope your well. I just had a question about preowned bikes. how many kilometers do you think is too many on a used bike ?

Own a CLX 700 and an IBEX 800. Arizona here. Love both bikes and I am 50 yrs old.

I have been compairing them but until now not yet bought one. Power to weight was better for the Trident, dealer network in Belgium and France is the same. So maybe next one ?

I've got my eye on the Ibex 800 as my next ADV bike.

watch for the 450CL-C classic bike version

I’ve had a CFMOTO ATV for three years now. Never had any problems with it.

I have a 2022 Benelli 302s and a 2022 CFMoto CLX 700. They are awesome in their class and for the price. I will! buy a few more and I have been riding Harley for decades. I live in SW Montana where the population is relatively small and the riding season is only 4 months a year on average. I have yet to see another one but I have met a few people who have LOL. I am looking forward to a couple of the other models.

I see used ones coming onto the market dirt cheap 700 Heritage for $5000 US in Ca. I wonder why people are getting rid of them?

Absolutely. In fact I’m getting my new 450 cl-c delivered tomorrow, 3k cheaper than the cmx500 and comes with all the bells and whistles.

Iv seen so.e reviews says parts just for a service cab take longer than 3 weeks

I have never ridden a Chinese bike, but this reminds me of the 1970's when Honda came in and destroyed the competition. Time will tell whether the welds, parts, etc stand up to the big 4. EDIT : I live in California where Amazon doesn't ship Chinese bikes, but maybe other companies will. Either way, I like the dash boards of Chinese bikes because it appears that they thought of everything because it is nearly as comprehensible as a car. I'll admit the HAWK has one of the best dual sport dash boards that I've seen online, not in person. Also, how do you know they are real BREMBO brakes and not clones ?

Ive got a CF Moto GT 650, absolutely no issues, for the price can't beat it. The anti chinese comments remind me of what people were saying about Japanese bikes back in the 70's

I've got one as my first bike. It's legit. The app makes it so I don't even need to put an Apple Airtag on it.

I don't know anything about Chinese automobiles, but some of the Chinese smartphones are quite impressive. I don't know if that's going to be the case for Chinese sports bike.

Biggest problem if you do not live in a big city is finding a dealer. Even if you do how long will they be there? Thing is it is not like buying a mainstream brand where if your dealer closes his or her doors, another is not that far away. You would be lucky to have another CF Moto dealer in your state. Nope not me.

Not sure there are any dealers in the UK

Hopefully the big 4 will start trying more again

Yamaha is loosing by default as it does not participate in this capacity Adventure segment. (MT450 by CFMoto)

I will buy one if they revive the 600 class supersport, though kawasaki is trying with their ninja 636, maybe a modern 600 class with a reasonable price...then i will buy one

I'm looking for a new bike to daily in the city with the odd longer ride at weekends, here in the Philippines. I currently have an R3 and a Yamaha Sniper (Exciter in some Asian markets). The CFMOTO 300 CLX is a bike that I am seriously considering as a replacement for both. Similar fuel consumption to the 150cc Sniper, and more than enough power for the roads here on Mindanao. I was previously considering a Royal Enfield Scram 411. To put the pricing into perspective. I could buy the CF MOTO and a brand new Yamaha Sniper, for the same price as the Scram. I'll admit that the Scram would be the better, off road, bike. But the majority of my riding is on tarmac, or concrete roads. With only a very little done on dirt or gravel tracks. An upgrade to dual sport tyres would likely sort any issues there. Simply put. The CFMOTO offers unbeatable value for the price.

Would you buy a Chinese motorcycle? Yes, because they're not made in China. They're made at KTM's factory in Austria, and they're designed by an Italian. The company that owns them is Chinese. It doesn't matter. If CFMOTO is showing you anything, it's that other motorcycle brands overcharge you by a lot.

I thought you were gonna actually have one to show

It varies, but at times the Japanese brands price their bikes as if they have no competition. In cases like that, I'll vote with my wallet and buy a CFMoto. Sometimes the Japanese brands need a reality check.

I sold a Honda ST to downsize, and took a CFMOTO for a test and I`m sold. And now awaiting the arrival of the new 700MT. The argument that it is a half Chinese bike is a bit redundant in my books.

If KTM, Harley-Davidson, Kymco, Peugeot and Benelli trust QJ to build their bikes, then so will I.

I have 450SR and it's a really good bike! The engine for 450cc is fantastic

I'm buying one 😊

It's cheap because of cheap labor and parts are always made from China. Just like the other well known bikes but they priced it out because of the brand name. Simple as that. But, I'll buy one for 2nd bike. Would probably buy that 450 or 300sr as 2nd bike.

The trouble is their reputation supersedes them. Cheaply made in bulk, yet the first bit of rain on them & they rust. Ok, they work closely with KTM, but is the quality control higher with those engines than the others?

Another major factor in price is that Chinese labor is quite a bit cheaper than Japanese or Western labor.

The biggest issues with CFMotos right now for me are the resale value, aftermarket components and not a lot of mechanics know how to fix these bikes. Plus, I can find a lot of used N400s that are cheaper the 450SRs anyway. But like the KTMs, CFMotos look badass tho

I doubt about cfmoto..im planning to buy..

450 sr is a better choice than the ninja 400 and the 4rr

I dont think Royal Enfield , KTM or Triumph is that much better reliability than CFmoto but they all play a big role in the market. So I think if CFMoto wants to be successful oversea they really need a specific point to stand out immediately, merely being cheap and reliable is not a very strong point.

Here in the PH, there are a couple of CFmoto shops selling those bikes. But that's the problem, just a couple. Would be hard to get proper maintenance on these bikes since a lot of shops(local non CFmoto) don't even know how to work on these. Parts availability and reliability is also a concern since the brand is just starting out in the country. We really don't know how long the CFmoto parts will last since it's fairly new. And yes, there's still that idea that since it's a Chinese company selling for such a cheap price, there might be corners that are cut. I mean the 450sr has fake carbon fiber parts, a slider that's plastic that isn't actually connected to the bike's frame and smaller diameter forks compared to similar displacement bikes. No idea how much that affects performance/safety since again, not much data yet. Local reviewers say both good and bad things so I guess we'll just have to see if these bikes are going to be worth it or not. For now, I guess it boils down to "do you want japanese/US/etc bike brand reliability or do you want to try something new that looks cool and on paper is good for cheaper with no guarantees."

NO

Still too expensive, just rewind to 2013-2014 and all the prices seeing here would scream middle bike segment like mt09/street triple. And dont tell me that it is because of inflation and all that, am too old to argue. prices just shoot up instantly before we even were in any crisis. Prices just get hiked up on a whim it seems and we get now budget bikes with electrical gizmos we dont need.

I bought a cfmoto helix clone, it's a boat anchor,. Never buy anything cfmoto again

So its a clone built KTM 790 engine in a chasis made from pig iron? I'll pass thanks oh and what about resale values after 3 yrs?

No

No China made products for my friends and I.

Nope never, Japanese anyday. I'll even consider Italian but never Chinese bikes.

CF Moto. Chinese Factory Motorbikes

I’ll save my money and take the bus 🚌 better

Only a fool would buy a Chinese bike, a couple.of guys at my traded them away after losing thousands on one's less than a year old each, they both kept having constant issues. You've been warned.

Years ago I had to use chinese toilet paper with diarrhea, it felt like sandpaper. There is no quality control and massive graft. CHECK every nut, bolt and screw that could hurt you if it fails.

Nope. I don’t do high ticket item that is owned by CCP.

I made the mistake of buying a Chinese car a few years ago. I thought because it had a diesel Cummins motor it would be ok but the car body was totally crap! So I wouldn’t buy anything Chinese I don’t have to

l ll never buy a Chinese or KTM again motorbike..period. only Japanese for me...Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki and Suzuki....

Ccp moto no thanks

Short answer, no. Longer answer, nooooooo.

I will never buy a Chinese motorcycle nor a Chinese automobile.

No, thanks.

These feel like a scam. I wouldn’t buy a bike from a country that has them completely banned and outlawed internally, just saying 🤷🏽

A lot are talking about chinese bikes. Built quality, technical issues etc. 2 things though. If you are one of the guys that would buy a bike from ali express like I've seen a lot of idiots in youtube, well you are just that an idiot. If you are talking about cfmoto or qj motor though, you are talking about company monsters not the scam small backwater chinese companies that are selling cheap electric junk. I owned a Honda CB500X and a Moto Guzzi V85TT Travel, both good quality bikes especially the MG was a really premium quality bike. In comparison, the CFmoto 800MT is impressively well build and in par with other western manufacturers and in some cases even better. This makes sense though. It was only a matter of time for the Chinese to compete with westerners in terms of quality, price and specs. Also the Japanese, especially Honda, are overcharging their bikes. Come on Honda 12000€ for completely naked Transalp? A supposedly offroad capable bike where I have to spend another 5000€ to equip with essential stuff. Wth

No