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What's the Maximum Effective Range of 12 Gauge Buckshot? 

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Shotguns are typically considered close-range firearms, especially when loaded with buckshot. Beyond about 30 to 50 yards, the spread from most shotguns becomes too unpredictable to reliably guarantee that any of the pellets will hit the intended target.
But what if circumstances dictated that you had to take that shot anyway? How effective is buckshot at extended ranges? We got out the ballistic gelatin and did some testing at 25, 50, and 100 yards to find out.
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@iamfodder1017
@iamfodder1017 3 года назад
They ran these test in Vietnam and the end result was 40 yards to be able to hit consistently and still drop someone.
@1594simonsays
@1594simonsays 2 года назад
@Null killing people is so funny
@alonzowitt5931
@alonzowitt5931 2 года назад
Yeah but they didn't allow three inch magnum with steel shot goose load's!
@raleighthomas3079
@raleighthomas3079 2 года назад
40 yds is a pretty good general average max., totally load and gun compatible dependent, but you still need to pattern your exact setup on paper to be sure. Know your limit.
@DonDon-zm3vz
@DonDon-zm3vz 2 года назад
i ran it in call of duty and i have to agree
@tullo5564
@tullo5564 2 года назад
The people of Vietnam conducted many tests on US troops too,they found out that traps and PTSD works best on US troops for rest of their miserable life.
@phillpauley6672
@phillpauley6672 5 лет назад
Ok so, 00 for up to 50 yards Slug for anything more. Good to know.
@stevenmc56
@stevenmc56 4 года назад
I use 000 auth buck shot
@stevendeatley4878
@stevendeatley4878 4 года назад
I would trim that down to around 30 yards unless you can get a head shot
@charlesputnam9370
@charlesputnam9370 4 года назад
At fifty yards I promise you shot in shoulder deer will not go far. Probably not take another step. Further you begin to loose your pattern but if you get a pellet in right place it is leathal at hundred yards
@charlesputnam9370
@charlesputnam9370 4 года назад
At fifty yards I promise you shot in shoulder deer will not go far. Probably not take another step. Further you begin to loose your pattern but if you get a pellet in right place it is leathal at hundred yards When I hunted with shotgun we where chasing deer with hounds so if you wounded one hounds would catch it. I shot killed hundreds of bucks with shotgun no all running shots. In south shotguns are required for dog drive s cause standers are usually couple hundred yards apart. Not much of it still going on nothing like hearing a pack of hounds running a big buck or a black bear towards you to get your blood pumping. Last time I went it was deer season they jumped s big bear he crossed within ten yards . I shot a bear long time ago twice with a thirty thirty at five yards he ran about twenty yards and fell. Lot of adrenaline on that one. They have stopped bear hunting with hounds where I live.
@stevenmc56
@stevenmc56 4 года назад
@@charlesputnam9370 nice Massachusetts outlawed hunting with dogs back in the 80s but still can't use a rifle shotgun only and no hunting on Sunday .
@TAGCaver1
@TAGCaver1 4 года назад
My dad shot a deer with OO Buck Shot at 90 yards back about 30 years ago. It was a very lucky shot with the deer running. Only one pellet hit the deer and it went in the eye and into the brain. No other damage on the deer. Crazy lucky shot.
@mwillblade
@mwillblade 9 месяцев назад
I heard the same story about 40yrs. ago.
@jtylermcclendon
@jtylermcclendon 9 месяцев назад
I grew up in an old school deer camp and was taught dumb stuff like how to run a chainsaw at 8 years old by a bunch of Vietnam vets. There were around 200 guys in this club, maybe 7000 acres. We hunted timber, so a lot of people hunted with 00 buck. 50 yards is explosive on a whitetail. 70 is is pushing it. With modern chokes and ammo I imagine if you tuned it you could consistently get 5 pellets in the heart lings at 80 yds.
@RNG-999
@RNG-999 6 месяцев назад
Your dad sounds like a scumbag if they took a shot that wasn't going to kill a deer quickly. He "got lucky" but he nearly put that thing into an excruciating death.
@Steve-ev6vx
@Steve-ev6vx 16 дней назад
​@@mwillbladeThe story I heard was a doe with one #1 buck pellet in the temple at 100 yards, about 30 years ago while I was on a dove hunt in North Florida.
@mwillblade
@mwillblade 14 дней назад
@@Steve-ev6vx Then you must be familiar with the story of the hunter taking a picture with an eight-point he killed with the rifle in the deer antlers then the deer got up and ran away with the rifle still in the antlers.
@rustopholis1667
@rustopholis1667 3 года назад
sooo... discussion on lethality of firearm... but Dat T-shirt :D
@j762texan7
@j762texan7 5 лет назад
Another shotgun NERD here, I would say the best overall tool anyone could own.
@NORTHBROOK1978
@NORTHBROOK1978 5 лет назад
it will do everything..you can kill small game for food and not obliterate it. you can kill large game at range. you can defend your home with it..just depends on what you feed it.
@calebnation7797
@calebnation7797 5 лет назад
A Mossberg is like the most versatile gun ever. My maverick 88 can change barrels in a very short time. I keep it with a 18.5” barrel, but if I wanted to, I could kit it with a 28” field barrel and a choke and hunt bird or squirrel amazingly. Heck, I could probably grab a rifled barrel for slugs too
@jezzyboi4054
@jezzyboi4054 5 лет назад
@@calebnation7797 So its not wise to shoot slugs out of my maverick 88 18.5 barrel?
@davidmcleod6032
@davidmcleod6032 5 лет назад
If I had to pick just one firearm for all purposes the 12ga with chokes is it. Birdshot for small game inside fifty up to 1 1/8 brenekke slugs for big game out to 150. Buckshot or slugs for antipersonnel. Only caveat, avoid getting into loud conflicts at range.
@jezzyboi4054
@jezzyboi4054 5 лет назад
@@davidmcleod6032 can you tell me why the choke and what's its purpose?
@henryjon45able
@henryjon45able 4 года назад
Why are we doing distance comparison with a short barrel???
@BruceCross
@BruceCross 27 дней назад
Exactly!
@seppuku-
@seppuku- 22 дня назад
@@BruceCrossAnd they should’ve used Hornady critical defense, it shoots almost 500fps faster!!!
@h.m.5924
@h.m.5924 5 лет назад
Dude, John lost a TON of weight! Good for you, killer! Get some!
@BallisticRadio
@BallisticRadio 5 лет назад
Heath Mitchell thanks!
@liljackypaper
@liljackypaper 5 лет назад
Holy shit I thought that was him but wasn't sure! He looks great good for him!
@joshb4577
@joshb4577 5 лет назад
@@BallisticRadio any tips or knowledge you want to share about how you did it ? Did you talk on a podcast about it ? I'm inspired, congrats you look great !!
@ericmckinley5777
@ericmckinley5777 5 лет назад
@@BallisticRadio You've already heard it a bunch but damn you look good. Congrats! Love your work.
@iminthemoodforavideo
@iminthemoodforavideo 5 лет назад
Looking Good John. Feels great to loose weight.
@UltraDude2000
@UltraDude2000 5 лет назад
Quick heads up guys, if you use 00buck in your shotgun, 90% of 00buck rounds will go clean through an attacker in a home defense situation, use #4 or #1 buckshot. 00buck over penetrates too much.
@UltraDude2000
@UltraDude2000 5 лет назад
The 1100fps loads they used in this penetrate a lot less than your average 00buck loads which can be 1300-1600fps, causing over penetration.
@tomasjay1005
@tomasjay1005 4 года назад
Effective range is best from your bedroom door to the front door of your home [with some 300 pound dude forcing his way in and coming at you]. Excellent results at 10 yards, very effective.
@Paladin1873
@Paladin1873 5 лет назад
Since relatively few people use short barrel shotguns, could you run a buckshot range penetration test with the more common 18", 20", and 26"/28" barrel guns? The velocity difference is significant, so it would be interesting to see what effect an additional 200+ FPS might have on terminal ballistics.
@LuckyGunner
@LuckyGunner 5 лет назад
There's typically going to be less than 100 fps difference in barrels between 14" and 26"
@Paladin1873
@Paladin1873 5 лет назад
That does not jibe with the research I've seen.
@zackzittel7683
@zackzittel7683 6 месяцев назад
Yeah shotgun velocity really doesn’t increase like a rifle with a long barrel…
@Paladin1873
@Paladin1873 6 месяцев назад
@@zackzittel7683Look up the Small Arms Review article titled ENERGY BY THE INCH THE GREAT SHOTGUN CHOP OF 2007.
@grampawwillie1665
@grampawwillie1665 4 года назад
pattern your gun with your preferred ammo and choke. it's a good idea to know what you have.
@scottodonahoe9505
@scottodonahoe9505 5 лет назад
Close and personal is the best . Speak to the 20 yard howitzer . Clean sweep weapon .
@NoBrakes23
@NoBrakes23 5 лет назад
I would have liked to see a more realistic 18"-20" length barrel with other chokes. Still neat to see, though.
@LuckyGunner
@LuckyGunner 5 лет назад
FliteControl works best out of a cylinder bore. Chokes will actually make the pattern wider.
@Ecosse57
@Ecosse57 5 лет назад
@@LuckyGunner ok, but how about a barrel length of 18" or more?
@Tuton25
@Tuton25 5 лет назад
Ecosse57 barrel length has no effect on pattern, all that matters is the choke. Modern smokeless powder loads are designed to be completely burned within the first 14-18 inches, so you won’t see a difference in velocity either. Where barrel length is important is for balance and swinging on small, fast moving targets, which isn’t necessarily relevant for a martial shotgun.
@craigbenz4835
@craigbenz4835 5 лет назад
Once a year I pattern my Winchester 1300 with a 24" cylinder bore using 9 or 12 pellet unplated 00. My arbitrary personal standard is how far away I can keep 1/2 of the pellets on an 8-1/2" x 11" sheet of paper. It is always good to 20 yards, but rarely at 25 yards. My shotgun with my ammo, YMMV.
@Static1011
@Static1011 4 года назад
Also with higher velocity shot not low recoil
@charlesphillips5906
@charlesphillips5906 5 лет назад
Looks like you used your Short Barrel Shotgun. Also custom barrel. Would like to see it with standard 870, 18 inch cylinder bore.
@marzcapone9939
@marzcapone9939 5 лет назад
Also without using the flight control Federal. Not that it doesn't work, just to demonstrate the differences in different ammo, chokes, and barrel lengths. OTOH, using gel for each test would get expensive. Mostly test the longer, +50 yard shots.
@Conky88
@Conky88 5 лет назад
Charles Phillips real men use short barrels 😎
@ArthaxtaDaVince777
@ArthaxtaDaVince777 4 года назад
@@Conky88 How's your wife's boyfriend doing?
@Wizzm957
@Wizzm957 3 года назад
The point of the test was to determine the lethality of the pellet, they were just trying to hit the gel. It's hypothetical lethality of each pellet, not actual effectiveness.
@dwaneanderson8039
@dwaneanderson8039 3 года назад
@@Wizzm957 But the lethality of the pellets depends on their velocity. A longer barrel will produce higher velocities.
@imwatchin7770
@imwatchin7770 5 лет назад
Best thing to do is simple. Take your shotgun of choice and several different loads. Head to the range and shoot at different distances. Easy, fun and then you will know for sure what you and your particular shotgun will do.
@hobohound8310
@hobohound8310 4 года назад
very good advice,
@LedzeppelinDogsGuns
@LedzeppelinDogsGuns 4 года назад
thats great advise but, i guess not everybody has that option, like police state residents
@imwatchin7770
@imwatchin7770 4 года назад
@@LedzeppelinDogsGuns can't help that. don't live in one of those and never will.
@dpeasehead
@dpeasehead 4 года назад
@@imwatchin7770 It ain't all bad. You haven't really lived until you seen a gelatin test using rock salt instead of buckshot.
@PetuniaIii-pd1ww
@PetuniaIii-pd1ww 3 года назад
What we learned doing that is any brand of 00 buckshot at inside the house ranges is going to flat blow anybody up, BUT it has to be aimed...very little spread at 10-20 feet...we've been burning up a box of birdshot every time we go to the range just to practice aim, and keep in touch with what we have -stoeger coach 12 gauge...
@TheHumanFlag
@TheHumanFlag 5 лет назад
This has piqued my curiosity and I want to see it done with slugs now. If you have the space of course. To me slugs are what you carry incase you do need to take that long shot and can just slip one right in the chamber. To know how far that would truly be feasible would be very beneficial I think.
@AjackLee4
@AjackLee4 5 лет назад
Slugs will kill out to 300yds if you can make the hit. No different than a large rifle like 45-70, save for energy.
@kentwilliams4152
@kentwilliams4152 4 года назад
Looks like both loads were “reduced recoil” type with 1100 FPS listed velocity vs 1325 FPS listed velocity for standard 00 Buckshot loadings. (The 1100 FPS and 1325 FPS velocities were most likely chronographed from a 28” barrel.)
@Treblaine
@Treblaine 14 дней назад
The problem with "standard velocity" at longer ranges is mach-trim, there's much higher air resistance at the speed of sound (Mach 1) so it very rapidly pushes it down to around 1100fps anyway (trim) so you get much more recoil for minimal gains. Also, trying to push the pellets to a greater velocity deforms the pellets more from the violence of internal ballistics, further increasing air-resistance. This is exploited by .22LR shooters to get a much narrower velocity variance. There's a reason that "reduced-recoil" buckshot has become so popular, that is all the velocity you need to reach minimum penetration thresholds at the ranges where you'd have sufficiently narrow spread. PS: the velocity changes very little with longer barrel lengths due to shotguns using such fast burning powder the pressure drops massively even within the first 12 inches. Though for the sportsman it matters as the front sight is significantly farther from the eye, the muzzle blast is lower and the point of origin is significantly farther away from the ears. Also, some sportsmen just prefer the momentum of a longer barrel. For a defensive shotgun, a long barrel just isn't practical. Also, it needs to fit into a gun-safe or police cruiser fully loaded without disassembly.
@jakehansen3418
@jakehansen3418 5 лет назад
Love my maverick 88 first gun I bought had it for about 10 years now never had any issues bought it for 180 out the door at dicks back when they had dicks over the years put magpul furniture on it a streamlight flashlight a side shell holder and did some inside work to smooth it up thing runs like a champ and is my goto bump in the night gun.
@bishopm4401
@bishopm4401 5 лет назад
John lost weight. Lookin good brother
@cal1776
@cal1776 5 лет назад
Looks like it.
@BallisticRadio
@BallisticRadio 5 лет назад
Thanks!
@bishopm4401
@bishopm4401 5 лет назад
Born Unloved I recognized the range first and used context clues to figure out “oh shit that’s John”
@sean7456
@sean7456 5 лет назад
@@bishopm4401 lol me too! He lost a TON of weight, good for him. Need to emulate him!
@bishopm4401
@bishopm4401 4 года назад
Sandy Sanders you probably have the observational skills of hellen keller. I’d say your wife/gf hates it but you don’t care cause you’re in the closet anyway
@larrytischler570
@larrytischler570 4 года назад
Maximum range for what? Please explicitly define your parameters. FBI STANDARDS are stated too loosely. Will it kill a perp coming over the back fence (and if so,, at what reage)? How will it kill a perp on drugs trying to do you in? The Houston Police Dpt. has a training film showing a drug laced perp getting shot in the chest at close range, with a 12ga, with little effect. The correct answer is to shoot for bone. If you break down the structural support, the body will fall. ( Also you take out the heart/central nervous system) Stay calm, shoot to kill, and eliminate the threat .
@propdoctor21564
@propdoctor21564 4 года назад
Very interesting video... Curious what length barrel it is, looks like it could be around 14 inches ??? I would say the majority of us are not going to use something that short all of my shotguns are either 18" 20" and 24" and I can't be the only one who would like to see the test run with these more standard length barrels
@grigorirasputin2276
@grigorirasputin2276 4 года назад
Good to know if you have a Shockwave or a V3 Tax-13, though.
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@bishopm4401 5 лет назад
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@bjblazkowicziii3279
@bjblazkowicziii3279 5 лет назад
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@very7962 2 года назад
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@samuelpatton5148
@samuelpatton5148 2 года назад
It’s actually pretty impressive that they were able to get any pellets in the gel at that distance.
@johnrunion7258
@johnrunion7258 4 года назад
It would be interesting to see a gel block test using the Vietnam 12ga Flechette cartridges.Our 75th Ranger unit of the Americal employed these and a few other atypical armaments to include BAR's.All I know is that they would cut thru dense grass and other vegetation with ease and greater effect than the 00buck loads.I had a little cloth tobacco sack with a couple dozen of these as a war souvenir.Maybe not available any more.
@SmokesKwazukii
@SmokesKwazukii Год назад
not that many people seem to know about those! my neighbor told me about how he preferred to use them back in vietnam. he was actually a marine tho
@kencorsell8087
@kencorsell8087 4 года назад
The shotgun is one of the most versatile defensive weapons ever developed. That said it depends on the person using it to maximize its effectiveness! Shooting a shotgun at a stationary target is a waste of its ability, that’s what rifles are for. The simple fact that the same gun can be used in a game of skeet and trap by simply changing it choke to a tighter pattern is proof of this. In skeet the max effective distance is 25 yds and a skeet choke the equivalent of improved cyl. on a tactical shotgun. It trap the full or trap choke os used to get a much further effective distance from 50 pls yds. Ask any duck hunter and he’ll have an array of extra tight chokes that will kill a duck or goose at a 100 yds. That’s why the double barrel shotgun is so popular so you can instantly choose the distance you need and increase your effectiveness as the target moves towards or away from you. The effectiveness of a shotgun is based on getting the shot to stay together until it gets to your target, not just one or two pellets. If you are happy with one or two pellets use a slug, gives you effective distances past 100 yds even in a smooth bore barrel!
@turtleman5111
@turtleman5111 4 года назад
Ken Corsell Well, in my area of SE Pa, we are allowed to use buckshot. I’ve shot many deer with my longer barrel Winchester Model 1200, 12Ga.(Now I’ve been using a 20 Ga. slug because of neck surgery), but, my point is is that I can easily shoot at a running deer with the 00, but I would never try it with the slug. Also, I have killed deer at 80-125 yards with the 00. The 125 one only had 1 pellet in it, but it was dead immediately; some closer ones were only wounded and needed a kill shot.
@paulbouchard6737
@paulbouchard6737 4 года назад
I worked at a NH police department as a civilian, taking 911 calls where I met a great police officer who once shot a badguy at night with a single slug at 47 yards in the head from his Benelli semi-auto. His experience got me turned on to 20g and 12g shotguns as all around SD tools.
@MaxwellAerialPhotography
@MaxwellAerialPhotography 3 года назад
This smells a bit like fudd lore.
@tonioyendis4464
@tonioyendis4464 4 года назад
I prefer #1 buckshot over double aught, because the double amount of pellets increases the hit probability and inside 25 yards, it’s just as effective. However, for home defense, I’m pushing #4 buckshot and on the streets, i prefer the #1 buckshot.
@oddish4352
@oddish4352 10 месяцев назад
One reason why I generally don't use OO for home defense... the standard 9-pellet load (1350 fps) was designed to kill humans at 50 yards. At defensive ranges (10-12, maybe 15), it's more penetration than you typically need. A 24 or 27 pellet #4 load gives ample penetration and makes a lot more holes.
@baitammo4652
@baitammo4652 5 лет назад
I have shot lots of coyotes with shotguns using BB to 00 BUCK. I've found that copper plated lead penetrates way better than plain lead. Plain lead deforms easier and thick fur will bind to the lead and hinders the penetration. Copper plated seems to hold shape better and not bind up with fur, giving better penetration. I would like to see you guys test this on heavy clothing to see if your results would be similar to what I have seen with fur. I have also settled with #4 buck, copper plated for hunting and home defense. I use 2 3/4 and 3 in for home use and 3 1/2 in for hunting. Around the 70 yard range the 3 1/2 in #4 buck is still breaking leg bones on coyotes. Not the lbs of energy that the 00 buck carries but over three times better pattern and under 50 yards, even in 2 3/4 in, the 4 buck is devastating for any critter that could pose a threat where I live! Again, I would love to see you perform a plated and non plated test with heavy clothing! Thanks for the interesting vid!!
@baitammo4652
@baitammo4652 5 лет назад
@Yard Sale Dale last time I checked they awfully expensive to dump many on coyotes
@MrWyzzerd
@MrWyzzerd 5 лет назад
@Semper Fi On ranch land they're a blight. They kill herd animals and family pets, they breed like crazy. They're just a horrible liability and I know plenty of ranchers around here that annually get together for a coyote shoot.
@kevinh338
@kevinh338 5 лет назад
Semper Fi they taste like chicken
@Walkercolt1
@Walkercolt1 4 года назад
I like #2 copper or nickel plated BUCK in a 3" magnum 12 gauge. With a paradox rifled 19" barrel on a Remington 1100, at 70 yards, it will pattern into 30". I wouldn't stand behind a corner of an average frame house with wood siding to protect me either. Now if you REALLY want anti-personnel rounds, get Vitt or Dynamit- Noble slugs from Germany. With my barrel and a 1.75X Weaver scope, I can put a dozen of them into 3" at 125 yards all the time. Even if you're wearing body armor, do you have any idea of the blunt force trauma you'll get? Your ribs will become the equivalent of shotgun pellets in your lungs, liver, stomach and the aorta. I have a load using Blue Dot powder that throws the 510 grain slug at 2300-odd FPS. That will cause an owhie at some range.
@0patience4flz
@0patience4flz 4 года назад
Learned something..thanks...
@basilstaros5730
@basilstaros5730 5 лет назад
Dang, is that the same John Johnson as the shoot better drills? Christ he lost Hella Weight. He looks great, keep it up john!
@tseawell90
@tseawell90 5 лет назад
Basil Staros No homo
@joep43
@joep43 4 года назад
It's Crack. Lol. J/k.
@shawnwells5719
@shawnwells5719 3 года назад
25 yards for 00. Patterns are too thin past that for effectiveness. You can't choke large shot into tight patterns like you can with birdshot.
@lissaboynton8683
@lissaboynton8683 9 месяцев назад
I have a number of shotguns with open choke and modified choke. You have to pattern your shotgun with the specific load. One shotgun creates a donut hole pattern and is only good to 20 yards with lead 00B pellets while another can put perhaps 6 pellets in target out to 50 yards.
@garyjarvis2730
@garyjarvis2730 4 года назад
The justifications for self defense in most states would not allow the use of deadly force at anything even approaching 30 yards. Even 10 yards would be risky to use deadly force. Most jurisdictions expect "flight" as opposed to "fight" when it comes to self defense. In your own home there is no expectation of "flight" but the deadly defense of property, beyond the four walls of a residence, is risky. Yes you can argue all the nonsense about defending one's self and what a state will or will not exactly allow. Bottom line - kill or injure someone when you had other options is not a wise move and could land you in prison for a long time
@steveb6103
@steveb6103 5 лет назад
I run a Remington 870 with a 30 inch full choke. At 80 yards it still has a good pattern. Turkey gun.
@therideneverends1697
@therideneverends1697 4 года назад
Yeah for cylender bore this is impressive, but with a tight choked gun you can definitely do better
@dalanwanbdiska6542
@dalanwanbdiska6542 4 года назад
1m running a stevens savage 530a with 30 inch fullchoked. It patterns good still at 100 yards. Duckgun
@williammccaslin8527
@williammccaslin8527 5 лет назад
I've killed deer at 50 yrs w/ Winchester copper plated 00 buck an it passed thru completely except for head an pelvis.
@liljackypaper
@liljackypaper 5 лет назад
Murderer! You should buy meat at the grocery store so no animal has to die!
@williammccaslin8527
@williammccaslin8527 5 лет назад
@@liljackypaper your fuckin jokeing right
@williammccaslin8527
@williammccaslin8527 5 лет назад
@JKay11235 Yes I do, but just got slammed by some bunny huggers about taking out invasive species in my home state of FLA, on another channel.
@scotthilliard7177
@scotthilliard7177 5 лет назад
So have I.....I killed one at roughly 65 yards one time, it broke both front legs, and put 3 or 4 through his vitals. I wouldn't recommend shooting at this distance, I was a lot younger, but I can't argue with the results. Peace.
@dennism103
@dennism103 4 года назад
@@liljackypaper / yr a funny gd bastard
@roykiefer7713
@roykiefer7713 5 лет назад
Excellent video, gentlemen; I learned a lot. Wouldn’t barrel length, choke size and shell length make major differences in the results?
@andrewfields8556
@andrewfields8556 2 года назад
It 100% would, also quality of ammo plays a huge role in the behavior of rounds at any given length.
@roykiefer7713
@roykiefer7713 2 года назад
@@andrewfields8556 Absolutely.
@andrewfields8556
@andrewfields8556 2 года назад
@@roykiefer7713 One thing that I was going to say, is that with a longer barrel comes more compression. With more compression comes a greater distance of the round at a higher velocity. So many different factors play a role in gun performance, as well as ammunition performance. But I think this good demonstration was just a general overview of how these particular firearms with these particular loads react. But at the end of the day, a Bullet is a bullet and a target is a target. No matter the caliper or the fact that it's a rifle or a pistol, they all have the potential to put you 6ft under. At the end of the day, the most dangerous gun is the one being pointed at you lol
@mariomarez2223
@mariomarez2223 5 лет назад
During the LA riots we rode 3 to 4 deep. On day 2 we heard officers yelling in radio "officers needs help, 3 officers down shot by a sniper". Two units were driving through an open alley. The second car watched as a gang member standing in an open field sprayed the first car with an AK-47. The officers a distance behind the first car got out and started shooting at the suspect (who didn't see the 2nd car) with shotgun rounds from a long distance 75 yards to no more than a 100 yards. They emptied their shotguns (old Ithacas). I asked the officer (who was involved) that was crying if they had killed the suspect and he said "No, by the time we ran up on him there were too many outside agencies there". He told me that one pellet had hit and opened up the suspects skull. I knew all three officers, one of them was Michael Strawberry, brother to Darryl Strawberry. After that time in my life I would practice with my Berretta at 50 yards, because we weren't issued rifles, but knew my shotgun, if given the right scenario with no bystanders could be used at that distance. articles.latimes.com/1993-11-05/news/mn-53523_1_peace-officer
@tdurden9532
@tdurden9532 5 лет назад
Boring
@Andrewsky347
@Andrewsky347 5 лет назад
Thanks for sharing your story.
@mariomarez2223
@mariomarez2223 5 лет назад
@Semper Fi God how I wish you were wrong, LMAO. 4/29/92 is one of my worst days and I wanted to tear my badge and chuck as far as I could in frustration. The reason I shared this event was because the two shotgun nerds (they said it) were wondering the effect of 00 at that distance. They did a great job testing and coming to an accurate conclusion. I personally spoke to someone minutes after they helped save three officers lives by emptying their shotguns at those distances on a gang member with an AK47, because thats all they had besides their 92f's, no rifles back then in cop cars. Ithaca 37's was our issued shotgun. Its true, 00 buck can and did put someone down and keep them down with a pellet to the head at that range. I would love to get my hands on that OIS report and share the technical part with them.
@mariomarez2223
@mariomarez2223 5 лет назад
You're welcome.@@Andrewsky347
@richardparnell321
@richardparnell321 2 года назад
Great video guys. Personally, and from reading the comments below, can I say PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do this test again with regular, easy to get hold of #4 buckshot. Everyone can, and should do patterning at home, but I'm not seeing the penetration data for #4 anywhere online in anything like a scientific way. Many of us know what #4 will do re pattern, but are concerned about the power/range/penetration issue. Alternatively are there data already out there on #4 performance?
@lissaboynton8683
@lissaboynton8683 10 месяцев назад
#4 buck is a good home defense load where you want stopping power but not to kill your neighbors. One gel test conducted concluded that past 15 yards the velocity dropped dramatically, and penetration was below 9 inches. Paul Harrel determined that #4 buck would penetrate your inside walls but probably not your exterior wall.
@DanUtley
@DanUtley 5 лет назад
Before watching, I imagine the answer is greater than the longest shot distance in my house. 😉 Edit: Looks like I’m good lol.
@taunteratwill1787
@taunteratwill1787 4 года назад
At a hundred yards an arrow "will or can" kill you too if it hits in the right place. Even a stone will do that! :-))
@ralphmclaney9474
@ralphmclaney9474 5 лет назад
Note: Federal 00B actually run .323" and 50 grains. Federal #1B actually run .286" and 33 grains. The velocity figures are from a 30" pressure barrel and run substantially less from the ultra - short barrel used in your test.
@AjackLee4
@AjackLee4 5 лет назад
Shotguns burn almost all of their powder, read 90+% by 12 inches of barrel.
@darthvaderlxxi1233
@darthvaderlxxi1233 4 года назад
I use 00B in my 8x57 M48. They make great reduced loads for small game and are quite accurate. I use a fired case and reload without resizing. The load consists of 3-4 grains of Bullseye with a large pistol primer. The buckshot are lubricated by hand with bullet lubricant and hand press seated in the case. Using a chamfering tool, I chamfer the mouth of the case to remove any remains of any crimp to aid seating. The loads do not expand the case to any extent and can be field reloaded with simple tools. They make little noise when fired and I carry a few to dispatch red squirrels that like to perch above me on stand and make a ruckus. Instead of taking apart shotshells to recover the 00B, I buy a box or two of 00B shot for reloading and pour melted lubricant in the full plastic box they come in. Not only does this prevent accidental loss of shot from a spill, but protects the shot from oxidation.
@dsbond8048
@dsbond8048 4 года назад
Special gun with special hard to get ammo. Next time use a Mossberg or Remington 870 with normal 00 Buck.
@biteme19671
@biteme19671 4 года назад
They were also using low FPS shells, what we use in law enforcement or military usually somewhere around the 1300 FPS range in 2 3/4 or 3 inch reaching higher velocities.
@archangele1
@archangele1 4 года назад
Agreed, I have a 1971 vintage Remington Wingmaster 870 with a 28" barrel with a modified choke. I'd be curious how that would do at 100 yards. I know with #4 buck I have nailed crows at over 50 yards. (With buck you have to make sure the angle of shot is very high.. Buck can carry a LONG way and still be pretty lethal and #4 buck is NOT the same as #4 birdshot)
@bobanderson6656
@bobanderson6656 4 года назад
@@archangele1 Yes. For many years where I live in Virginia, #4 buck out of a 3" shell through a full choke barrel was very popular for deer hunting in the woods. It worked. Shell technology has changed. I'd use bigger shot and maybe a modified choke with modern 'typical' buckshot today.
@omnipubgmobile1615
@omnipubgmobile1615 4 года назад
I chopped a 835 down to the next rail stud over 18" ( came out to 19.1" or something) and took the acumag choke that came on the barrel and cut the end piece of and turned it into a ring sight that I welded onto the sight rail that runs the length of the barrel. At 21' it does what all shotguns do. At 42' I am all nine on a 13" Aspen round. At 63' I lose 2 pellets , I haven't tried beyond that because I think 20 yards with a hacked barrel on a gun that is strictly a sd truck truck gun is just fine. Wanna maybe get it turned down for a choke but I think the barrel is to thin , oh well.
@aydingultekin2846
@aydingultekin2846 3 года назад
00 buckshot has 9 9 mmish pellets. And a slug has the weight of an "elephant gun". I would rather be shot with a rifle or pistol than a shotgun bc shotguns leave nothing "to be repaired" . U got the idea
@Dixielinemuzik
@Dixielinemuzik 5 лет назад
Now do it with a 24"-30" full choke barrel.
@Tuton25
@Tuton25 5 лет назад
The Rooster that won’t make a difference, if anything it’ll make it worse.
@mattmarzula
@mattmarzula 5 лет назад
@@Tuton25 making it worse would be a difference. Still, what you said is the opposite of what would happen. A longer barrel and a full choke to tighten the pattern of the shot and will increase the likelihood of a hit and therefore increase the lethality. Its why some deer and turkey hunters use the very same setup that The Rooster is talking about. You apparently don't know seem to know what you're talking about.
@Dixielinemuzik
@Dixielinemuzik 5 лет назад
@@Tuton25 How do you figure? A longer barrel and tighter choke will make for longer distance with a tighter pattern. With 00 buck in a full choke 30" barrel, Id trust shooting a human or whitetail at 75-100 yards.
@Tuton25
@Tuton25 5 лет назад
The main reason why flitecontrol patterns so well is because the copper plated pellets don’t deform as they pass through the choke and this is also why a straight cylinder bore is the best for flitecontrol as well. The more deformed the pellets become, the less predictable the pattern becomes. If you have a full choked you’ll get the maximum deformation, and if you have a tighter choke shotgun dropping your pellet size will actually improve your pattern density. For a personal example, I have a Remington Model 11 with a fixed full choke, and with this particular gun I get a better pattern with Remington #4 buckshot than I do with similar 00 loads. As far as barrel length goes, there is no difference in velocity between barrel lengths as the powder is usually completely burned within the first 14” of barrel. There are plenty of videos of guys measuring the velocity of various loads out of things like the Mossberg Shockwave, and the numbers largely don’t deviate from the advertised numbers on the box. Barrel length is all about balance and swing. A short barrel is much faster than a long barrel and the longer the barrel then farther forward the center of gravity. That’s why in trap, with very consistent and predictable target presentations, you can see barrels as long as 34” being used regularly, whereas in trap and sporting clays, with much faster and unpredictable target presentations, 26” and 28” barrels are much more common than longer ones. One advantage that a longer barrel might have is in sight radius. The longer the sight radius the more noticeable minor deviations in sight picture become, but in this case it is largely negated by the use of red dots. Long barrels and tight chokes are a myth, there’d be no noticeable change or a decrease in pattern performance in this particular case.
@Tuton25
@Tuton25 5 лет назад
Matt Marzula 5 years in firearms retail has taught me that most people’s understanding of firearms is based on voodoo and superstition rather than actual refined understanding.
@green15838
@green15838 5 лет назад
Moral of the story--NEVER TAKE A SHOTGUN TO A RIFLE FIGHT!!!!Lol.
@JG-rz4st
@JG-rz4st 4 года назад
gary smallwood one of my old work colleagues who fought in the Malayan conflict British army South Wales borderers regiment in the 1960s jungle warfare said to me that he always on point and when they occasionally came across communist fighters on jungle tracks the shotgun was the best weapon and would drop them through the trash but in the confusion all the rest of them would open fire 360 d with every weapon they had , nothing like the movies he told me so moral of the story is shotgun always did the job .
@okeydokey2766
@okeydokey2766 5 лет назад
A few years ago coyote hunting with my pops, he dumped one at 83 yards with 00. Tore it up. I think only one or two pellets even hit.
@skyhop
@skyhop 4 года назад
@mtman2 .33 actually
@MrT13
@MrT13 3 года назад
I shoot hogs out to 100 with it all the time.
@chadjordan9382
@chadjordan9382 5 лет назад
Brass fechter did this years ago. 50 yards is good to go.
@jerseyjackrabbit2829
@jerseyjackrabbit2829 5 лет назад
Thanks to your videos I’m actually getting a shotgun. Everybody seems to kinda throw them in the same bin as a .22 where you have to have one but there very situational and good for the vault. Effective range was actually one question I had thought about but if I wanted to tap something at a long range I was gonna rely on slugs
@archer721
@archer721 Год назад
At range… I’m going to rely on a rifle!😉
@jerseyjackrabbit2829
@jerseyjackrabbit2829 Год назад
@@archer721 shit i wrote that before i even had a rifle and was just building off my first long gun. i still think a shotgun is effective more than rifle in certain situations but i got good with a ar to touch someone at 250 yards easily. still practice slugs because it somehow feels satisfying to hear 12 gauge slam into steel to what ever range you set it in well within 70 yards.
@jordanhicks5131
@jordanhicks5131 5 лет назад
If you didnt use a 30 inch barrel with a full or extra full choke, you didnt do this test right. You wanna maximize buckshot range, that's how you do it. This test is stupid. Entertaining, but not well done.
@jamiesloan5902
@jamiesloan5902 5 лет назад
That Flight Control stuff patterns amazingly thru a cylinder bore, exactly the way it's designed to do. I hate when people get on RU-vid and try to shoot this load thru chokes, and complain about its performance. If they only knew... They are only broadcasting their stupidity, for the whole world to see. lol. They obviously don't understand the design of this stuff. It was refreshing to see that you guys DO understand its design... Great lethality test, by the way. I'm a big fan of patterning buckshot. Its VERY HARD to duplicate those Flight Control patterns thru an open cylinder, when using regular buckshot, thru chokes. I've came close using .680, .690, and .700 restriction.
@randystockton624
@randystockton624 4 года назад
OO buck shot is great for close range brush hunting deer, hog, i would feel comfortable out to 55 yards maybe a little futher..if you're hunting deer where u have close shots can't beat OO buck better with 18 inch barrel or longer...
@QuantumPyrite_88.9
@QuantumPyrite_88.9 4 года назад
Amusing question . What size of buckshot ? #4 buckshot or 00 buckshot ? If you want to actually know the effectiveness of 12 gauge 00 buckshot , talk to a combat veteran who has wasted somebodies ass with 12 gauge buck . Heavy brush in a jungle = aprox. 30 yards maximum . Open terrain = 50 yards max to knock the shit out of an opponent . You don't have to blow your adversaries brains out to take them out of action . 3 pellets to the face , a couple to the throat and a few to the chest . Ithica pump 12 gauge - 00 buck and slugs . Laos 1971 - 73 .
@Richard-wz9uh
@Richard-wz9uh 5 лет назад
That is not the same human! Where is John?
@Robert-qm7yi
@Robert-qm7yi 5 лет назад
Whenever I hear terms like "100 yard gun" I always cringe a bit. Even with round balls, the worst BC you can get out of a bullet, you're deadly farther out than you can hit reliably. The same goes for just about every gun
@F84Thunderjet
@F84Thunderjet 4 года назад
I can’t envision any scenario where a private citizen would fire in self defense beyond 25 yards. I think most cases where a private citizen was compelled to use a firearm in self defense, the distance was less than 25 yards.
@stevekillgore9272
@stevekillgore9272 3 года назад
Seems likely
@shoot-n-scoot3539
@shoot-n-scoot3539 4 года назад
You should have added #4 Buck. I could care less about long range. I'd switch to rifle for long range. I would be curious about self-defense range, in the house and just within the property outside the house.
@Paelorian
@Paelorian 5 лет назад
All this talk about shot patterning and you're not even going to mention chokes? The kind of choke (or lack of choke) you're shooting through is a critically relevant piece of information when you're talking about how a load patterns.
@zaynehulvey8546
@zaynehulvey8546 5 лет назад
Agreed, but I assume that they are addressing the very most basic situation in order to get an idea of how the loads work. The video is info about the effective range of the shotgun shell not the choke, but I do agree. The results would be very very different.
@Venomxjjb
@Venomxjjb 5 лет назад
What choke they are using is kinda irrelevant being every shotgun is different. Your buddies 870 will pattern different than your 590 that's why they say always patter YOUR shotgun with your chosen load. He did however mention his had that vancomp barrel which is similar to a modified choke if I remember right.
@LuckyGunner
@LuckyGunner 5 лет назад
FliteControl works best out of a cylinder bore. Chokes will actually make the pattern wider.
@Paelorian
@Paelorian 5 лет назад
@@zaynehulvey8546 Yes. The main point of this video is penetration depth in gel and choke doesn't matter for that. I liked seeing that data. That kind of terminal performance at various distances data is very useful in ammunition selection. As for choke, for self-defense in most scenarios an unchoked/cylinder bore is an easy decision. Indoors or at similar close ranges where shotguns are usually employed we're looking at very little spread from most chokes. Some spread is ideal, we don't want all the shot to hit in one place as a clump. Rifled bores spread even more, but the pattern clusters at the edge of the pattern which is bad. I just meant to point out that they spent quite a bit of time digressing from the main subject and talking about how loads patterned at distance without mentioning the key variable, which is the choke. How a shotgun is (or isn't) choked determines the pattern at distance more than anything else. I'm guessing they weren't using a tight choke since they probably would have mentioned it and the context seemed to be mostly about self-defense even though hunting was mentioned.
@Paelorian
@Paelorian 5 лет назад
@@LuckyGunner So I take it you were shooting it out of a cylinder bore, then?
@neutronstargalaxy1092
@neutronstargalaxy1092 5 лет назад
Federal should make a #4 buck in this loading. Not that it would be any better beyond 25 yards but for when over penetration would be of concern in home defense it is probably more useful. Even though #1 buck is closer to meeting this concern than the #00 buck is.
@ben10mama
@ben10mama 4 года назад
So remember kids, know what's beyond your target
@anton1949
@anton1949 3 года назад
I have shot a few deer, mostly 00 buckshot full choke maybe 30 yds. they drop like a rock. With a rifle 7mm-08 they always run 40 or so yds. Same with most rifles. 00 Buck is a devastating load.
@mmartinez4134
@mmartinez4134 3 года назад
I think it is more important at what distance the pattern remains tight. If you focus on that penetration is not a problem because there isn’t enough velocity using a shotgun for distance. For home defense I’d focus 15 yards or less.
@robertwatson818
@robertwatson818 3 года назад
Federal Flight Control ammo is virtually unobtainable right now. I've wanted to test some of this but haven't been able to find any for over a year.
@tomhickman1006
@tomhickman1006 5 лет назад
I'm a former Deputy Sheriff, I have witnessed Buck shot fail to put down large predatory dogs beyond 40 yards. Thick fur can be a big factor.
@offroadchevy4x496
@offroadchevy4x496 5 лет назад
Should have carried #4 buck in 3" chamber. t's my go-to for winter coyotes. I don't hesitate within 40 yards, with the right choke and load 70yards is plausible.
@Treblaine
@Treblaine 13 дней назад
I think the bigger factor is shot placement, a hit to the gut or large muscle group simply does not make it physically impossible for them to keep going. But getting any hit at all is likely better than a miss and even if you do miss buckshot is probably the least dangerous to bystanders. As dangerous animals tend to move around so much missing is going to be more of a problem than an armed criminal who tends not to try to shoot at full sprint.
@stevencarnes7790
@stevencarnes7790 4 года назад
Most of the people that have made comments have no clue what the Federal flight control shell does or was ment for. Shooting one of these shells through a full choke is pointless and possibly dangerous. It has a solid wad instead of a normal one with slits down the wad. So you have a tighter pattern with short barrel police shotguns that had little to no choke. If you are going to use these shells they work best with modified or improved cylinder chokes. If you have a shotgun that doesnt pattern well try these shells. You will be surprised at how much better these shells pattern if you use the correct choke with them.
@danielcurtis1434
@danielcurtis1434 3 года назад
I do wish that they had tried conventional ammo without the special wad. I feel like they could’ve at least compared it to the flight control wad. Then just one or two shots would’ve at least provided some sort of control for this experiment.
@corybrown8422
@corybrown8422 5 лет назад
Why on earth would you do this with a 14" barrel? Seriously? Come on, guys. You went through all the trouble setting this up and went with that? When 90% of people that have a defence shotgun has 18.5 inch barrels. I mean when you thought this out no one said "hey that is a dumbass idea."
@troybingham6426
@troybingham6426 4 года назад
Technically it's only a "meteorite" after it's already landed. If you were killed by a falling rock from space it would be a "meteor".
@ismistarick70
@ismistarick70 4 года назад
Technically ur mom gey but okay
@rogermeadows5104
@rogermeadows5104 3 года назад
As it was parting your hair, it would be a meteor. parting your skull, it would be meteorite. So, hit by meteor, killed by meteorite. :)
@ronalddavidleindecker3358
@ronalddavidleindecker3358 3 года назад
If you got hit from a meteor...it would be your sorry- ass luck.
@johnouellet4099
@johnouellet4099 2 года назад
35-40yards is max to keep a tight pattern (all rounds in target) assuming 00buck. Slugs past 40 will work fine
@immikeurnot
@immikeurnot 5 лет назад
I love the Flite Control buckshot! It's one of my go-to choices for feral hogs and home invaders.
@paulscountry456
@paulscountry456 4 года назад
Never hunt deer with buckshot it should be illegal for deer hunting, works fantastic on two legged varmints.
@Solomons659
@Solomons659 5 лет назад
Glad to find a channel with a lot of focus on shotguns. Thanks.
@cathompson58
@cathompson58 5 лет назад
Might be good for fending off a group of attackers at 100 yds .. may not be dealing with 1 assailant.. but if you are shooting that distance, they are probably shooting at you first
@Felenari
@Felenari 5 лет назад
Smoothbore slug video next pretty Plz.
@couchwarrior2449
@couchwarrior2449 4 года назад
Shotgun stays in the house for room to room/ front door distances. Outside it's pistol/carbine time.
@razak4494
@razak4494 4 года назад
I liker the conversation. The moral of the story is 12 gauge shotgun is effective at a 50 yard perimeter. Im down with that.
@jaredbalmer3206
@jaredbalmer3206 5 лет назад
Just runa 2 oz turkey load of 4 shot extra full choke. Nasty load for home defense. But kicks like hell.
@leroyedenfield1047
@leroyedenfield1047 4 года назад
I have a 12 ga. Iver Johnson that "was" a 36" goose gun. The barrel split and I had 8" cut off making it a 28" open bore. Good quail and rabbit gun. It hates 00s. Like throwing them out a your hand, but at 45 yards it would put every pellet of a #1 buck in your hat. If one or you guys have an open bore, I'd really be interested to see how it would stand up. Thanks
@zackzittel7683
@zackzittel7683 6 месяцев назад
It would be inexpensive to have it bored and tapped for whatever set of choke tubes you have laying around.
@DANIELFURESZ
@DANIELFURESZ 4 года назад
If you need more distance range and penetration consider getting a Remington Model 870 Pump Action Shotgun chambered for the 3 and a half inch magnum load. you can still shoot the 3 inch magnum load and also the conventional original 2 and 3 Quarter inch shell. Very versatile very powerful and very reliable with endurance qualities to last a life time and a wide range of interchangeable barrels like those that are rifled for rifled slug rounds.
@TV-so2ej
@TV-so2ej 11 месяцев назад
Everything you just said with the exception of interchangable barres is true of Benelli. It is also very reliable. I bought a tactical version for only 500.00 NEW! This shotgun is so easy to shoot and has never presented me with any malfuctions at all. I also love the Remington.
@peterhill1944
@peterhill1944 4 года назад
Good Lord, what happened to common sense? If someone is coming through your front door or is in your house, grab your shotgun; otherwise grab your rifle.
@GregBarfuss
@GregBarfuss 5 лет назад
If you shoot someone at 100 yards it’s called murder!
@richardmills8401
@richardmills8401 4 года назад
I used to kill 3 deer at a time at 150 yards with my Belgium Browning 28guage A5 with #5 doe shot! What ? We all know this person lol.
@russellstephan6844
@russellstephan6844 4 года назад
Always nice to see folks putting forth the effort to demonstrate the performance of certain firearms/ammo combinations. But, boy, is the shotgun ammo and defense discussion full of entrenched camps. For home defense, I understand my foe will not be a hardened combat frontline soldier. Nor will they be motivated to risk life, limb, and the last pump of their heart for my big screen television. Also, since I don't live on the residential set of Wayne Manor, anything beyond 20 feet is rather unnecessary. In the Spring, head out to the outdoor supply outfitter and pick up a few boxes of turkey loads. Or, roll your own with a reloader anytime. That is, if you can find primers and shot these days (Fall, 2020). Anything from shot #4 up to #BB or there abouts will do nicely. Once again, gentleman, thank you for putting together the video.
@BobPDXz
@BobPDXz 4 года назад
great deterrent when the shite hits the fan...
@springbloom5940
@springbloom5940 5 лет назад
The beauty is that at distance, you can just rain lead, with a shotgun. Maybe dont want to do it in your culdesac, but if youre not worried about collateral, its probably more effective in a hurry, than a more precise weapon with higher performance.
@kev8370
@kev8370 5 лет назад
Lmao that goofy ass shirt had me distracted the whole time
@biteme19671
@biteme19671 4 года назад
I was trying to figure out what it was.
@partyfavors9238
@partyfavors9238 4 года назад
daAnder71 😂
@hugoruthling2864
@hugoruthling2864 3 года назад
25 yards and in, 00 Buck absolutely. After that I'm switching to slugs.
@4212daniel
@4212daniel 5 лет назад
I think my boy demo ranch cover this
@freezeysketches2526
@freezeysketches2526 5 лет назад
lito dan these videos are much better quality
@moodymac7297
@moodymac7297 3 года назад
Need to let people know that using regular shells with typical wadding will not produce the grouping you got using the flightcontrol ammo. Using the flightcontrol lets you produce a grouping better than a full choke can get, while using an open bore shotgun. If you have an open bore shotgun and need tighter grouping use the Federal FliteControl ammo.
@509Gman
@509Gman 3 года назад
Hornady Versatite wad loads also have similar performance
@dave10524
@dave10524 4 года назад
At the patterning board, buckshot varies greatly from gun to gun , even the same barrel length and choke, pattern your own gun with different brands and go from there.
@concert610
@concert610 4 года назад
Wild hogs are a big problem. This is good to know. At night rifles with scopes get hard to use. Shotgun for quickness and easy to use.
@Predalien195
@Predalien195 5 лет назад
A few major things effect Buckshot's maximum effective range. Barrel length and load are the two most obvious and lastly the choke. I've seen 3 1/2 inch magnum turkey guns with tighter than Full Choke on them that coupled with the 26 barrel, they can EASILY be about as accurate as most 12 gauge 00 buck from an 18.5 cylinder bore or modified choke barrel at 25 yards only they produce similar patterns at excess of 50 yards. But lets say you're looking at a typical 00 buck load like a 9 pellet 2 3/4 shell in an 18.5 inch gun like a Mossberg 500 or Remington 870... They are still effective out to 40 yards easily. The bead sight originally was for a 100 yard zero with buckshot, but shotguns also for a long time had much longer barrels like 26 inches, 30, or more. But a general rule of thumb most shotguns, even with slugs their effective range is about 40 to 50 yards. Not that slugs or individual pellets cant reach out farther, but slugs drop off REAL hard out to 50 yards and individual pellets arent going to do a lot of damage in a lot of cases without different chokes and stuff. Personally... shotguns are probably the most versatile weapons out there with the right load/barrel/choke. And a 12 gauge 3 1/2 Magnum being the most versatile in terms of it's overall potential. While I dont believe in a one gun for everything kind of situation, a good 12 gauge 3 1/2 Magnum comes awful close.
@Tuton25
@Tuton25 5 лет назад
A 100 yard zero with buckshot? That’s absurd, usually the standard POA is the center of the pattern at 40 yards, but that varies from manufacturer to manufacture, especially among clay guns.
@Predalien195
@Predalien195 5 лет назад
@@Tuton25 Originally it was 100 yards. The idea was wherever the bead was pointed at, in 100 yards shot would pattern on the target. Modern bead sights I doubt are set to the same standard but I've taken some shots with buckshot in 26 inch barrels with full chokes and it will most certainly pattern on paper at that range. Not ideal in the slightest.... But like I said, that was the original concept, these days it's different as you pointed out. But yes, 40 is more the norm if you ask me. Maybe 50 or 60 depending on the gun.
@Tuton25
@Tuton25 5 лет назад
Christopher umm, no, that’s just wrong
@Predalien195
@Predalien195 5 лет назад
@@Tuton25 No, it's not.
@Tuton25
@Tuton25 5 лет назад
Christopher No, you are wrong, you can go right on Brownings website where they explain exactly how they do it. The bead is center of pattern at 40 yards. Most field guns are “dead on” with target guns being set up differently given the context. www.browning.com/news/tech-terms/point-of-impact.html
@benwicker5820
@benwicker5820 5 лет назад
Never said what choke .
@leslieb6881
@leslieb6881 4 года назад
How many deer are running around with buckshot in their legs and guts?? Sickening to think of. Shoot slugs or stay home.
@johnd4408
@johnd4408 4 года назад
Buckshot is illegal in most states for hunting wildlife. "Buck" shot doesn't mean it is for deer hunting. It is generally used for self defense and in some cases as predator control. It is handy to have for night time defense and taking down a pack of dogs trying to kill your livestock. I own a farm and always have 00 Buckshot loaded and ready.
@wholeass83
@wholeass83 4 года назад
We use buck in nj but have some common sense and decency to not shoot unless it's close enough. Imo buck shot should be used like bow hunting.
@wholeass83
@wholeass83 4 года назад
Chokes also help
@johnd4408
@johnd4408 4 года назад
@@wholeass83 , Mississippi allows Buckshot on deer but you have to be careful with it in thick brush. You could easily hit another hunter if you don't know where they are. Deer drives in Mississippi are carefully planned out.
@wholeass83
@wholeass83 4 года назад
@@johnd4408 I personally only hunt from a stand. I dont even know how to do proper drive. I've also been told driving deer is illegal here in New Jersey
@TheRifleman336
@TheRifleman336 4 года назад
I know of hunters with either Super extra full chokes like wad wizard and pattern master units and those hunters with only IC chokes and your Federal Premium flight control or Hornady's Critical Defense, both reporting 55-60 yards being the outter most edge of that envolpe after that change over to slugs.
@OldManMontgomery
@OldManMontgomery 3 года назад
I can recall from shotgun training, past 25 yards, a handgun was more useful. Of course cops carried revolvers in those days and 'buckshot' was (for defense use) 00 buckshot, nine (9) pellets and pretty simple.
@dwwest8168
@dwwest8168 5 лет назад
The FBI did a test with 00 Buck. I believe from the 30's. And they found that with 9 pellet 00 buck you could reliably hit an average size man with at least 1 pellet at 100yds. Now, the target was a complete head to toe target.
@MrT13
@MrT13 3 года назад
And that’s with technology from 90 years ago.....
@nokoolaid
@nokoolaid 5 лет назад
Wonder how 000 buck 3" does?
@charlesputnam9370
@charlesputnam9370 4 года назад
If you hit it is devastating I used to shoot a Remington 870 30 inch full choke. ooo would not pattern in my gun used oo, 1, and 4 buck killed hundreds of deer with it.
@nokoolaid
@nokoolaid 4 года назад
@@charlesputnam9370 I would use 000 buck for social work. If I was hunting deer at that range, I'd use my 444.
@charlesputnam9370
@charlesputnam9370 4 года назад
@@nokoolaid I have a bunch of deer with winchester big bore 375 . I got a 3006 about 30 years ago and it has much better trajectory than my old .375 lever gun with blunt bullet's Your 444 I am sure is good gun out to about 150 after that you have to aim high. My 3006 is sighted in 2 inches high dead on out to about 250 yards. We used buck shot when we ran deer with hounds but that has been gone out in most of south. As people now sit in stands in put out corn I have done a lot of both but I am getting old and the price s you have to pay for leases is going up so I don't hunt much anymore.
@nokoolaid
@nokoolaid 4 года назад
@@charlesputnam9370 I have a 30-06 too. A Mark X Mauser with a 24" barrel. Right now I use Nosler custom 180gr 4" high at 100. That's my Colorado gun. The 444 is for woods stuff. I've never had a shot over 80 yards with it and it's sub MOA accuracy. In fact it shoots a little better than the 30-06. Look at Paul Harrel's meat target video for the 444. I've seen it first hand. First deer I shot with it was a doe at 40 yard. Doe was facing uphill and it hit behind the front leg and came out the off shoulder with 1/3 of the humorous. Lifted the deer off the ground and went ass over tea kettle backwards down the hill. I use 265gr hornady flat points hand loaded to 2300fps. They shoot .75"-1" for 5 shots at 100.
@charlesputnam9370
@charlesputnam9370 4 года назад
@@nokoolaid you got it figured out my old .375 big bore winchester was the same I used to hunt bears and hogs with hounds and found 250 grain bullet's would knock a bear or big hog down which is nice when you on the ground with dangerous critters.
@darius0lupus
@darius0lupus 4 года назад
Wish you guys tested the touted best home defense buck, #4
@donaldengelmann6906
@donaldengelmann6906 4 года назад
i'd love to see this with slugs!
@biteme19671
@biteme19671 4 года назад
Slugs have a effective range of about 60 yards can be shot out to a 100 yard's, but it loses velocity, now with a threaded shotgun barrel, using Sabot rounds 100 yards effective, 150 or better range with average accuracy.
@dosmundos3830
@dosmundos3830 4 года назад
at 250 yards you could catch them with a baseball mitt. haha jk ...don't try that at home.
@donaldengelmann6906
@donaldengelmann6906 4 года назад
@@biteme19671 And yet IraqVeteran8888 did a video showing that they still have the velocity to kill past 400 yards. With just about any projectile it will be dangerous much further than it can be accurately aimed.
@biteme19671
@biteme19671 4 года назад
@@donaldengelmann6906 Do you know the difference between effective range and max range.
@donaldengelmann6906
@donaldengelmann6906 4 года назад
@@biteme19671 As I've already alluded, effective range is when you cannot accurately place your shot anymore. Max range is where it stops killing you. a 1 ounce slug falling out of an airplane will be going fast enough to kill when it hits the ground. The primary limiting factor for most firearms is accuracy.
@arthurchadwell9267
@arthurchadwell9267 2 года назад
The maximum range would depend in part on barrel length and choke.
@kidthorazine
@kidthorazine 2 года назад
ehh, going to an improved cylinder choke might help a little bit with buckshot, but barrel length doesn't really matter much assuming we are talking about normal legal barrel lengths (18'' or longer)
@jdhreiss
@jdhreiss 4 года назад
Bird shot in the house - Buck shot in the yard - Slugs across the street.
@gregorypeterman6216
@gregorypeterman6216 4 года назад
Right, maybe buy enough time to grab or get to the gun.
@PetuniaIii-pd1ww
@PetuniaIii-pd1ww 3 года назад
Inside the house that birdshot will ruin someone's day...although our 2nd option in that regard would be #6 gameload, just a little bit heavier...and both are easier for the lawyer defending you in the communist states...
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