What the FAKER AHRI SKIN means for LoL Esports w/ Raz, Kelby May and Emily Rand | Hotline League 321 

00:00:00 Intro 00:20:50 Emily joins HLL 01:09:44 micspam is happy to purchase the Ahri skin 01:30:20 waka feels the Ahri skin sets a scary and exploitative precedent 01:58:55 Dirtymike's take: the DIG roster move highlights the need for players to market themselves 02:18:27 johnjr121 asks if gentlemen's agreements exist in LoL 02:41:40 Outro

"Theres no way I could not like any caller more than caller 2." Caller 3: "Hold my beer"

When the guest is Kelby May, it’s gonna be a good day.

I was on board with Faker being the first intro to the hall of legends until the event pass was released. In hindsight, this should have been his farewell. I think it would have gotten way less backlash if Faker was retiring and the event included all his career.

Had to skip Waka's take in the end as this dude was completely incapable of making a coherent argument. Became pretty intolerable to listen to.

I live for these mega long episodes.

Is it so hard to describe how an skin that should be accessible to everyone as a testament to a HoL players legacy yet it is so overpriced that not even children seeking it as a birthday present can access it unless their parents are whales themselves??

Here's the thing Riot KNEW this blowback would happen. They did the math and decided the $$$ was worth the blowback. It's a big jump down a bad path, and you can call the marketing "strategic" but we all know what that means. They hyped us up knowing we'd get whiplash. If it was $70, nobody would bat an eye even though $70 is still a HUGE amount for an in-game cosmetic for a single champ.

I agree with Kelby's multiple points about the bundle pricing damaging Riot's branding. I think if the max bundle cost $200 in line with the Jhin chroma, maybe even up to $250 and offered a tier with the Ahri skin and some icons for the price of a legendary, a middle tier with the additional SKT T1 chromas and an upgraded Ahri skin for like a mythic+ level, and then the Faker Collector Bundle with everything for $200-$250, it would go over much better with the community through word of mouth and would allow this to truly be a celebration of Faker. The time-limited nature of the bundles is ALREADY contributing to the prestige of the skins involved, we don't need to milk the price on top of the time-limitation. What this has already done is ruin the prestige around the skin itself because some gamers are willing to mock and grief users who have the skin because they feel that purchasers of the skin are supporting overpriced skins that will continue to set further precedents for high pricing. In this instance, those who want to support Faker and want to look cool while doing so will potentially be harassed from others within the community since it's seen as a ripoff. I agree that a lot of this comes from the "I want this but don't want to spend that much money" crowd, but I think Riot sacrificing goodwill for the exorbitant skin prices is definitely not the way to go for the players or Riot Games.

I love these episodies so much more then when they talk about how X team is going to win X split or beat X team.

Based Kelby and Cubby saying two weeks is too often for patches.

I actually agree with the first real caller. If I could spend money to support teams more directly, I probably would. For me buying a $500 skin it's not feasible. Buying two to three skins a year for $25 to $50 for a specific player or a specific team that I want to support would be awesome. Most skins feel all at the same to me. I don't care about League lore that much, in the skin lines don't do it for me. But if I could rep something or someone I cared about that would be awesome

Wow a 3-hour banger, the Kaisa call out at the end was very funny

Riot is really good at making themselves look terrible especially the marketing arm of Riot with how many opportunities they've missed. Riot has had so many chances to market LoL to a broader audience especially at it's peak, never once besides recently for worlds when they had that terrible coke flavor did I see them market to the general public, no merch, no partnerships with bigger brands, no retail presence... Do they even have a marketing team?? Complete and utter failure in that department.

I do foresee some issue moreso with the precedent than anything. Back when we first started playing we had skins for 520, 750, and 975 RP. Then Riot slowly decided to "shift focus" to higher cost skins and now we never get a skin released less than 975 RP. The bulk of skins now sell at the 1320 RP price point. Shifting away from the products that were seen as more reasonable. Now, if we start purchasing these ultra premium skins then it incentivizes Riot to put into product pipelines lower cost stuff and instead focus on ultra premium product slots. I used to purchase skins for the game, but as the costs kept trending upward I chose to stop. So, now the company no longer receives my financial support. Of course it's the idea of for every 2-3 people that leave or stop paying this there are 8 or so people that will continue paying the higher cost. So, it was ends up being a net positive. But there is likely a breaking price point.

i loved emily's call and the discussion on the topic. might be one of my favorite episodes in a while

the ahri skin buyer is the first, legit shill I've heard speak about their thoughts. Big "sense of pride and accomplishment" vibe.

the huge problem with buying cosmetics and spending that much on a cosmetic is that you do not own it in anyway. If your acc is ever lost, so is all your money spent. At least for other games in which you buy a product i.e a dlc or the game itself is or even a physical product is you own it. Accs can always be taken away.

Honestly, I am not buying any skins anymore and was never a big purchaser of them in the first place, but as someone who devotedly follows the eSports, I can say that it feels bad to see the Hall of Legends so aggressively monetized when it's been marketed as honoring the best player's career and contributions to the sport and to the game at large. You could make this accessible to a larger portion of the player base, make an obscene amount of money, and not make the entire Hall of Legends look like a cash grab. In the past, there have been expensive skins, but part of Riot's appeal over the years has been that their cosmetic prices were reasonable and affordable for an average consumer, which meant that people tended to buy skins in volume and then feel good about their purchase. With extremely high priced exclusive skins now part of the equation, Riot can't really trumpet their devotion to players anymore without people expressing a high level of skepticism. We used to meme on other games who charged $80 for an in game top hat, but now we're just as bad.

2:32:00 To Kelby's question: I think the 2 week patch cycle came about because in like SEASON 1 they released champions every 2 weeks. (Shit, Travis literally says this 2 minutes later)

almost 3hr episode lets GO

It's interesting that the 'active player' hangup was mentioned as a big one. I play both League of Legends and Magic the Gathering at a pretty competitive level and when the MTG hall of fame existed it was quite common to have players make the hall of fame while still active. I guess it is true that players do not continue to play league comp as they get older the same way they continue to play in MTG.

great show Travis et al.

Travis! I just saw you will be at IEM Dallas! So excited to go I hope I see you there

The only thing i have a problem with is I want to celebrate Faker but I do not have the money to show it off. I'd rather it be a physical statue since I can show that whenever instead of a skin for a champ I MIGHT play

Its disappointing because we could have gotten Ahri as a SKT skin but they decided to go with HoL. It also left a sour taste in my mouth because prior to this it seemed to be a celebration of Faker's career....and then they flipped the table and its just a money grab. They did a 180 and alot of us got whiplash.

Disagree with Cubby about T1/LCK getting a larger cut of the teams' pool. That 1) makes the popularity contest aspect of who gets inducted into the HoL much worse because now it's a regional and team battle for more money, and 2) widens the gap between the already most successful region and everyone else. I'd rather see it distributed evenly among the tier 1 teams, and have a sizable part of the pool go to tier 2 as well.

This episode really showcased Travis's patience. Thank you for your service to the community.

Great episode. Rare Kelby appearance, and Raz doesn't sound like he's streaming from a submarine 😂

Permaban Ahri. Simple solution.

Listening through the cost/value breakdown... Did anyone read the FAQ and realize that the skins get locked away "forever" after this event concludes in July? Unlike other worlds/team based skins which print money indefinitely... this one is a one time thing.

At 2:30:20 something Kelby reacts to the "every two week balance patches" Though everyone who actually reads the patchnotes knows it's 90% placebo patches with little to no content. Big updates that matter come around start of season, mid season and some between summer and worlds to try and fine tune the worlds meta. No one here is going to tell me that the latest Gangplank changes will actually have an effect. First of all you haven't read them, second of all he wasn't picked prior to them, and 5 armor at lvl 10 is not what was stopping him from being picked. Most other games have rarer, more impactful changes. While league has frequent mostly nothing changes. It's basically only an update to put new skins on the client.

when micspam pauses and all 4 put on their thinking caps - that's when you know a discussion is respectful, and progressive

I started playing in S2 and don't play much now days, but still watch pro play. Every so often there will be a cool skin release and I'll go buy it especially if its a Worlds skin and play a few games. I thought the idea of HoF was really cool and was something to celebrate players and giving the community skin that was widely accessible. However the pricing is just gross at multiple tiers, it just preys on peoples fomo and to see how much they can charge to get away with it. If it's suppose to support the team, I think the revenue split should be higher then 30%. Now I'm wondering if this why Faker couldn't get a Worlds Ahri skin is because Riot had this is mind?

The amount of cope this panel had when the super fan called in and said “I want this” is hilarious.

riot must be hurting if they really want to milk their players. also if you're willing to spend 500 dollars for pixel skin, you should probably reconsider your life goals. it's just cosmetic and after you use it for a while, you'll come to the realization that its not worth 500.

Emily used the word 'exception' and I expected Travis to terminate the call immediately.

banger episode!

500 on pixels? I'd rather spend it on my other drug, MtG. At least the cards are tangible

One thing that could flip this entire "skin too expensive" discussion in one second is if they increased the amount of "bonus" rp you receive during the event. Notice they never said what the actual real world cost of the bundle is going to be, they just gave us a price in RP and told us that we would be able to purchase enough rp in one transaction to buy the most expensive bundle (which currently you cannot purchase more than $100 in one transaction. They could easily increase the amount of "bonus RP" and make it so $300 or less could get you the most expensive bundle. $300 is still insane for a signature on a turret and an emote but it would be a more stomachable price for a lot more people. and it would give riot an opportunity to say "we listened to you and your feedback and we are making changes blah blah blah." Especially when so many eyes are on riot and league right now it would be a GENIUS marketing move.

I'm with the sentiment that it's a damn shame that all the air was taken out of the sails to commemorate a player who is proof that this game is accessible. Yes you can get more out of putting money into it but even Faker's story of coming from a family that wasn't too well off and doesn't need skins to make this game, or esports, look great. Also, I'm with Emily too that the esports division doesn't nearly get as much support as it does for being a marketing arm. Even the times where I casually only watched Worlds got me to reinstall the game for a bit. This could've been an opportunity to bring back older players to the game and now it's dismissed.

As an Ad blocker apologist, I do subscribe to the RU-vid channel, like all videos, and subscribe on Twitch.....BUT I WILL BE DAMNED IF YOU EXPECT ME TO WATCH AN AD I don't consent to.....Love you Travis

I always thought it was wild esports wasn't monetized more. Like where are player/team theme emotes. Would love one with big dhoaks for example. I just think the price point for faker skin is way off but the idea solid. I also do acknowledge it's hard to get branding going for players when players last a year on average for a team.

I need a Faker Azir skin that lets me press a button and shuffle someone . How much RP would that be?

Not sure if this has been addressed anywhere, but was Faker part of a contract on this item? Like a Nike contract for a professional sports player.

The main issue is not that there is an expensive skin available to whales, like the ugly $200 Jhin chroma. The main issue is that this ruins the hall of legends and the opportunity for everyone to support Faker’s amazing career and legacy. On top of that the skin is 20ish times more expensive than the highest quality skins, without a significant difference in quality.

Its very very simple how Riot fixed the hall of legends and skin issue. Firstly lower the skin to 300 dollars, it still intrigues the whales and it losers the bar of entry so it doesnt take a weeks worth of income for the avg person to get the skin (look not everything is about america this skin costs almost 700 canadian or over 750 AUS or 685,000 korean won) which across the board is almost 70 hrs of work for just the skin for these countries. Lower the bar of entry it will increase sales AND not hurt the longevity of the program. You cant drop another hall of legends player skin at 500 dollars and expect nearly the same amount of sales but at 300 or 200 the gap closes significantly. The overall logistics of this is for immediate payout vs longevity of the scene which is sad. Secondly induct 5 players each year one from each role into the hall of legends to not only avoid rankings in the future but to also monetarily create 5 new skins for each role so you dont have to “play ahri” everygame to get your skin picked. Easy first 5 people to induct even if we count axtive players HELL you could induct 5 players with a minimum of 1 from each major reason to give the ABILITY to squeeze in western players. First 5 could easily be Impact-Top (appeals to Korean and NA) Diamondprox- JG(EU) Chovy- Mid(KR) Uzi- ADC(China) and Mata- Support (Kr/China) like this just makes it 20x better and the skins being in different roles allows a wider net of people able to buy in and participate.

It's funny because I view what FLY did to Jensen more aggregious than what DIG did to Exyu - It could be that I just have no visibility because I'm not on Twitter or in Reddit, but there appears to be no reasoning why Jensen was benched, and given the Inspired interview, it feels like it's his doing + maybe Bwipos? When they were the two poor performers at MSI this seems so far backwards - seems like a grudge and is kind of cringe from FQ's perspective, especially with how well Jensen played during the NA playoffs. This isn't to say Exyu's situation isn't shitty, but (IMO) it makes sense why they would go for a known quantity in Spica over Exyu if they're changing out top/adc anyways. Regardless, I'm excited to see how DIG fairs and I'm also now cheering against FlyQuest because Inspired seems like a kicking and screaming baby when things aren't going his way and in my eyes, lead to them making a poor roster decision, hello new TSM

Kelly seems so much smarter than most other guests.

Only way tonshow riot that we are not with this is to not purchase the skin and to perma ban ahri everygame.

my initial reaction to the whole thing was this is insane and feels bad for people wanting to celebrate and show support faker that cant just be whales and spend stupid amounts of money, and having the skins tied to the bundles feels bad. That being said, I see the point of the different price tiers, and the ability to support lol esports which is good its nice to see those options, the problem is the optics, this is blind siding players who were ready to pay for legendary or ultimate tier pricing not bundles at $45-$500. That is where the blow back is coming from is the poor communication and and unexpected unprecedented price points. I do think the rage is over the top, but as someone who was initially very upset about the monetization strategy and lack of clarity going into this.

Thank GOD for Raz bc at around i almost lost my shit at 1:39:00 when Travis either intentionally misses the point or is just unaware that he clearly didn’t mean “scam”. Then proceeds to be smug or have some gotcha moments. I love the show most of the time but I can’t fucking stand it when no one checks Travis on this stupid “latching onto a word or phrase” and disregarding the context in which it was said. It’s fine sometimes because it’s like a devil’s advocate thing and i really do get it but when it’s done to just push aside someones point when HE HIMSELF DOESNT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING SAID AND THEN CONTINUES TO YAP it’s infuriating. (sorry for rant. i just really like this show and hate when i have to take a break)

NFTs be laughing at a $500 dollar cost

Even the OF content creators that I've subscribed are much cheaper than a $500 skins bundle. 💀💀

Feels bad for ahri players. I'm down for spending skins but when you make it that much for a cool skin me really wanting it doesn't matter because if I buy it I'm in financial jeopardy

man 2 hours of ahri skin talk. I will be glad when the LCS is back lol

i think minimizing it to just a product for whales isnt the way to look at it, and comparing people freaking out about this to a bunch of social issues and saying "well this isnt as bad as saudi arabia or harassment " is dumb. it is an extremely predatory business practice to not only price this bundle 10x higher than anything theyve ever made, but to then lock everything that even makes it special behind a 250 dollar paywall, and then on top of all of that make it a limited time only never to come back skin. you can compare it to whatever you want and say "who cares" but the people that play ahri, the people that want some fancy pixels and be able to support their favorite player, want to be able to afford it and feel like they arent being scammed. this is a scam. you are painting it like its a charity or a donation to faker, its not. its a cheap grab and i wouldve gladly spent 50 or maybe even 100 dollars on a cool faker skin for a champion i have millions of mastery points on. unfortunately they are trying to take the most popular player, combine it with one of their most popular champions, and make you FOMO buy it for 250 dollars. its gross, and to not understand why everyone is upset is just pure ignorance.

The issue I see with the skin is that this is just another in a long line of decisions made by the CEO/ Execs to push for short term profits, we have seen time and time again when game devs go down that path it ultimately leads to cutting corners/laying off too many people and the game itself suffers, if that doesn't end up happening then whatever this just becomes one last kinda shitty way to make money off faker/his fan base. Also to the point that this is an opportunity to support lol e-sports the issue is that's not how this is marketed at all if they want to put out skin lines/ announcer packs or any other cosmetics make them e-sports themed and say hey part of the money from this will go to e-sports/the teams I don't think anyone would have a problem with it.

Travis. They print money. They dont put skin sales into the esport. they don't make enough skins for the esport. they are inting their monitezation.

Kelby AND a Chainsmokers call out? I’m dreaming

IMO they could have been doing something similar to this for awhile and called it the ICON Skin Line 🤔

How about this? I rather they charge $50 for the full signature version cause its absolutely FUCKED how much they are charging for it, rather than comparing it how much better it is than gacha. Lets not justify how its not as predatory as gacha when they are basically exploiting Faker's legacy to get away with this BS price. NO JUST NO. DON'T JUSTIFY IT SAYING ITS BETTER THAN GACHA. DO NOT PUT UP WITH IT AT ALL!!!

**** Travis Gafford. Im so sick of every league content creator dissing fans and generalizing the attributes of the worst imaginable LoLesport consumers like we are ALL the same. The dedicated fans get zero mentions, zero love, and I am getting really sick of it.

The truth is that the hall of legends should contain lots of other players, but they had to use Faker first because they attached this cash-grab to it.

If you don't want the skin, don't buy it. If you do want it but can't afford it, tough luck. There are plenty of things I want but can't afford, I don't expect the manufacturers of those things to drop the price so I can afford it. Its no different to complaining that you can't afford a "insert your favourite Supercar" or the latest GPU from Nvidia / AMD etc.. Its just a skin ffs

Bruh Kelby should be involved in more episodes

A celebration for LoL's most legendary player instead got turned into a cynical cash grab, very disappointing.

The problem with your argument of "all the people who don't spend money on the game are suddenly complaining it costs too much" is that this is probably the greatest moment for free to play players to actually spend money on the game. They don't want to spend 500 USD and the 50 USD they might have spent is now a worse version. Riot just releasing the skin at $50 would still likely see the largest money spent on a skin. This is the singular moment combining Faker's hall of fame, Faker just winning worlds, the first faker Ahri skin, and they're disincentivizing purchasing the skin by releasing better versions out of budget in a limited time frame. I get to spend 50 USD and know other people have a better one. It's the one moment to spend money if you are ever going to but no one is going to go from spending nothing to spending 500 USD. You're other take of "just don't buy it, they'll learn and never do it again" also doesn't make sense because there is no other player as beloved as faker that could conceivably even warrant such a price tag anyway. They still wouldn't do it again because no one is going to buy some other players 500 USD skin. Matt saying people don't spend money on Esports should just look at the Dota tournament prize poll along with Dota being a game 1/5th the player base.

The $500 skin doesn't change my LoL experience one bit. I don't care if Riot tries to make money that way.

I wonder if Faker ever spent money on a skin.

Lol that's wild I went on a total jenny Nicholson binge over the last week. Had never heard of her before but she is great and that video was the one that pulled me in

So it's going to be the hall of korea and china. Got it. Good point Raz.

I feel like the faker ahri skin will likely be remembered as league's "magic30" moment. I personally don't think it's nearly as slimy as magic30 buuuuut there's a couple of interesting little parallels and there's definitely an equal amount of outrage. With that being said I feel like the mtg community forgot about magic30 after they were finished collectively dunking on it sooooo 🤷‍♂️

To be fair to riot, this skin is gonna be the highest amount we'll ever got in the game for the rest of the existence of league of legends. People will buy it because it's 15% ahri and 85% faker skin. Only Faker will be able to make people spend 500euro for a skin. Maybe some crazy chinese whales are willing to go for 1000 when Hall of fame Uzi's vayne skin is coming out but other than that, i doubt much people are gonn abuy those if they keep them at this price.

Already the merch is criminally over priced for anything League, Riot, or E-Sports in general. People have a hard time justifying buying the ultimate skins.. Some skins used to under 10$ and now its closer to 15$ for a skin. Lower the price and you'll get more fucking sales, it''s not that crazy of a concept.. 500$ for a skin in a video game is criminal. Should've been 100$ tops. Even Most Gatcha games limit it to 100-150$. Faker is good, he never has to work a day again for the rest of his life.

the really bad part of the over priced skin is because its FOMO! IT IS FOMO, it i a extremely predatory marketing strategy that is used for no reason other than to make some people buy it because it will be gone forever. It may not be a scam but it is as predatory as it gets. Its 700$ canadian lol. Also the guy who will buy the skin but doesnt play ahri is a complete tool, legit tossing 70% of the amount into the tecent void. hes supporting data collection companies, not esports. homie could have subbed to travis or bought a bunch of merch. Also when he said hes getting it to flex, does he not realize everyone will make fun of him instead?

Kelby CAUGHT

What a great episode tbh.

The esports bubble is popped

Riot in 2024 somehow making the garena server look respectable

Look, this skin isn`t really the only problem tho. Riot has one of the worst value battle passes in the games industry since usually you can buy the next passes with enough time investment, Riot bp`s make you invest copious amounts of hours and you have to pay for each one individually. Plus, they have been reducing rewards every f-n bpass. Riot uses the loot box system excessively even, most people nowdays don`t seem to care but i remember when they were seen as very immoral and predatory gambling system. Riot has some of the most expensive skins in the entire games industry. Now about esports Riot has shot itself in the foot by making their esports exclusive to them and not letting other companies make tournaments and events, even sometimes denying influencers that would do for fun tornaments for free, giving up free publicity and hype and THEN claims it has run out of money to run esports well. THEN riot kills academy to help team owners that end up leaving anyway when their investments were run into 10mi gaming compounds that end up empty because "they dont have money to employ people". As if it was not enough, they invest their skin money from lol into a thousand new game studios and projects some of which end up abandoned like the mmo or closed like some of their indie studios, chasing that juicy infinite growth that doesnt actually exist. Then they run lcs with finals being IN STUDIO but paying for a honestly mid performance for a "opening ceremony" that nobody cares about. AND THEN WE ARE AT FAULT FOR NOT CARING ENOUGH FUNDING THEIR ESPORTS FOR THEM? REALLY? Sorry if I sound rude mate, but there's thousands of great games out there and I really am getting fed up with this bs. If riot wants to fund their esports with their skin, fine, but they wont be getting a single cent from me anymore.

That dude is all about esports and showing it off but he wouldn't buy an Uzi skin....

My issue with the skin is that my wife and I just want the skin not everything else. ahri is her favorite champion. But we are no where near a financial ability to even get one bundle. Like Riot knows we are dealing with money issues all across the world.

#permabanahri NOW the immortilized version is barely worth 50 bucks, also as I've understood everyone plans on blaming people who buy these two skins for these prices until forever

$500 But it's Faker

I don't think Faker cares exactly how much he gets.. he probably wants millions but he's not going to be greedy for every dollar.. he understands other LCK teams need money for T1 to be relevant as well and probably wants T1 to get most of the money as well.

50% to Riot. 15% to region, split among teams. 15% to player's primary team (determined by selection group). 20% to player.

A history Wikipedia? Why not a book?

Travis had a great take about them being told they need to hit a certain number or else. Great to see Kelby on the show again. Go Warhammer!

$500 for a Faker skin sounds great to me. Anyone with my level bank account or lower shouldn't be buying it sure but let those that have the money support league and eSports! I love it. People are upset because they feel that it's unfair? If you want it, get it please support riot and lck! If it's not worth it don't get it. Why complain about it when others support what you enjoy? When you see the skin on the rift thank them for supporting Riot and move on.

Wow time huh.

I have a clutch gaming jersey don’t @ me

holy hell mute mikespam

Are people equally upset about all the other luxury items that are not needed in life? This skin is not for everyone...and that is okay. This outrage is indicative of how hard it is to monetize esports...people are going to complain about any monetization (people complain about regular skin prices already lol).

All star cast

Straight up horrible takes on the pricing. It's not just about fomo or scamming whales. Being a huge faker fan and following the scene for so many years, but not being able to afford a skin that celebrates your favorite player just feels meh, I don't care if others like it or not, or if others get it or not, it's about wanting your own part of this Fandom, but not having 500$ for it. Doesn't matter that this is limited or not, I would never be in a situation where I have that kind of money for a game. Even the normal version is 32k rp (not counting the 6k base version) Calling it fomo is basically saying that not being able to afford etc mtg lotr cards is fomo, well mby I'm just a mtg player that love lotr and want to engage in that, but being blocked by my income not being 6 figures.

Cubby is getting better each episode. Keep loosening those shoulders more and more bubs ... which gets easier to do with time/exp 🤘

I'm buying the ahri skin, (not sure yet which yet, but either the 250 one or the 450, one of the two that transforms) but not for the reasons the first caller had. I think it is rare to find someone that will buy everything just get because it supports esports. I fall into the category that the skin supporting esports is just an added bonus cool points, since I do watch esports. I just think the skin looks great and I don't mind spending on myself. I do find the conversation interesting if Riot made it cheaper would it devalue it for me, I would buy the skin if it was cheaper anyways because I want it. Would they get more money if its cheaper is something Riot has more data on than any of us.

Kelby da GOAT

when league rolls out 250-500 dollar skins you know the game is at the point where they arent bringing in new players. They are trying to squeeze out as much money as they can of the people still playing. The game is on a noticeably decline and it gets worse every few months......Rip to league its been a good run.