What the hell is Nightmare World? 

and its already leagues better, because they are actually working on it, not trying sell asset flip

yeah but the dreamworld niggas still have all that kickstarter/investors money sitting on their bank accounts

It was better after only a week.

I wouldn't say "without trying" though. Lot's of work was put into this project, probably more actual work than in dreamworld.

"...and immediately beating it w̶i̶t̶h̶o̶u̶t̶ t̶r̶y̶i̶n̶g̶" *with righteous spite and hate

to be absolutely fair, I don't think you'd have to be a game developer to make a game better than dreamworld. I think a teenager with a basic grasp on unity could do better than them.

@@Romanticoutlaw Yeah, if one's motivated enough, there are tons of Unity tutorials out there.

Similarly, "You don't know/can't say anything because you're not in X profession." Well guy, you don't need to be a pilot to spot a plane crash.

It's right up there with "says you" and "nuh uh".

yeah a lot of times that argument is just idiotic. just because i can't make a stick man doesn't mean i can't see when something is shit. It is like hiring a professional to work on your home and you see that their work is obviously an absolute bunch of garbage.

Steampunk? Dieselpunk? Nah, _spitepunk_

Spite is the most effective energy

Spitepunk would be a really interesting artstyle to see. I feel like the depiction would depend on the artist view on spite.

The truly laziest of souls would say “I’ll show you… but can it till tomorrow, I’ve got stuff to not do.”

As a British person I truly appreciate this comment

The last bri'ish people to be this spiteful and upset they threw a bunch of tea in the ocean and told the queen to go sit on a cucumber.

@@fulsame1 nah, just your average brit

@@silverreaps6803 you might say they made their own..."New World". They were really pushing the boundaries of their time. Exploring new frontiers. Experimenting with alternate methods of monetization. They really were pioneers. Truly free thinkers

@@fulsame1 Until MacDonalds was invented and they stopped being British.

Because dreamworld was a clear scam. Of course they're not gonna use that money for developing.

Dreamworld has reached its goal already. Cash in thousands of dollars for 3 people.

The 'Do it yourself or you cant criticize it' is not just 'maybe wrong' or a Opinion-to-be-wrong. Its objectively wrong. Its utter Nonsense and often used by Dumplings, as i happened to notice as a visible Trend. Its a common Idea and its totally wrong: If you see a Helicopter in a Tree, you can say 'Dude's messed up...' no matter who you are.

Somebody fund this guy!

Millions is a bit exaggerated, the goal was 60k i believe and they raised 64k but yea the goal is reached and the money is gone. I just hope there will be legal consequences for the dude that is literally called Bandito.

The most powerful force in the universe is compound interest, but spite comes DAMN close.

@@Briggsby what about compound interest of spite itself?

Lmao

@@Zarryon12that creates something powerful enough to do anything

@@Zarryon12 this sounds like a problem for numberphile

@@averysj69 that ends up being the guy that was hoarding all the toilet paper from the company's bathrooms to build a wet paper statue of himself.

l o l

This meme has never, ever, made any sense whatsoever. If someone is an ex they are an ex for a reason, there really is nothing to worry about. Also *she or he

No that checks out. I'm 110% sure every great person in history had someone making them snacks. I've definitely read that somewhere.

@@mikedrop4421 I swear I'm going to find a way to get these kids some homemade snacks.

I'm also a non-game programmer (~11-12 years experience, also at a US university). I'm extremely mediocre, but being mediocre has ironically given me pretty good judgement about whether other people are skilled (because I know first-hand what people sound like when they *don't* know what they're doing, having been there myself). This project is obviously, at the very least, legitimate and honest. Game development has always seemed particularly difficult (having experience as a programmer makes me *less* willing to try doing it - it sounds like all the most pain in the ass aspects of UI development made exponentially worse), and it's always bizarre hearing these random people with zero experience claim they're going to build an MMO (much less "the best MMO ever") on Kickstarter or whatever. I think many of these people are just extremely naive, though in the case of the Dreamworld folks I think they're knowingly scamming/deceiving people. For some reason, many people are under the impression that game development is similar to playing a game. I'm guessing that all those for-profit game developer college commercials probably have some role in giving people this misconception.

Snacks are key!

@@BenkaiDebussy (Just my keyboard warrior RU-vid informed opinion, but) One also has to distinguish between designers, coders, artists and all their sub flavours. Designers are those closest to "make a living out of my hobby", but they are also the ones who have to make a lot of hard judgement calls about what to cut from their idea because it's not going to work. A designer who only spouts pipe dreams is about the worst person to have on any team. As our dear mister Strives put it: Everyone is an idea person. Indie developers, of course, have all the nightmares of every role ever on their shoulders and I'm surprised small teams or single people ever get commercial games done.

I doubt anyone would enjoy it, asleep or not.

@@papasharku I doubt you would understand a thing or two called anecdotes.

Y'all need some George Carlin in your lives.

Makes me wonder: Know 'Hbomberguy'? Like Collum Upton, he kinda informs about lots of stuff after he informed himself. Yes, not 'assumed around' but 'informed himself'.

🤣🤣

nah that would take too much effort

and they still manage to fuck it up somehow

@@CallumUpton You're doing good, lad!

@@somerandomgamer8504 thankyou! it means a lot

reminds me of a video i saw recently galled "games probably made from spite". one of them was "Death Stranding".

Or, to put it simply: you don't have to be a chef to know why your food tastes awful

Yeah that makes sense. But when critics start saying dumb things like "I could have crapped this out in 1 minute" then "Put up or shut up" is a valid response.

Yep

Eh typical kiddo arguments and you guys all take them serious lmao

Yeah, you can, for instance, call a piece of music mediocre without having the ability to play it better yourself.

The 'Do it yourself or you cant criticize it' is not just 'maybe wrong' or a Opinion-to-be-wrong. Its objectively wrong. Its utter Nonsense and often used by Dumplings, as i happened to notice as a visible Trend. Its a common Idea and its totally wrong: If you see a Helicopter in a Tree, you can say 'Dude's messed up...' no matter who you are.

@@slevinchannel7589 Not sure why I got this, but you're correct. There are things that people can judge based off personal experience. In fact, most things work that way. Expertise is only required to make jugement calls if there is no real basis beyond the technical or expert. With programming, investing, medicine, etc. you'd have that sort of situation. But judging a game that is meant for user consumption and built for player interface? That is meant to judged by the laymen. In short, yes, agreed.

Where do I queue to preorder 😜😜

Love your dancing in Pulp Fiction VV.

Couldn’t agree more. Looking forward to this a lot. 8 PM GMT+0 mondays I will be tuning in for sure.

@@johnmagus6341 What happened there wasn't a miracle, it was pure dancing skill, AND I WANT YOU TO FUCKING ACKNOWLEDGE IT!

@@Vincent_Van_Vega *bows*

Did the podcast ever materialised? Can't find it anywhere

Still waiting for him to apologise

@@silverreaps6803 Makes me wonder: Know 'Hbomberguy'? Like Collum Upton, he kinda informs about lots of stuff after he informed himself. Yes, not 'assumed around' but 'informed himself'.

who is this "taquito bandito"? Heard this name a bunch of times but I can't find anything about him

@@nomadcrow5337 search taquito bandito and watch the first vid

@@silverreaps6803 thank you so much!

Indeed! Otherwise, it's like building a skyscraper and saying "we'll work on the elevators later". Dreamworld seems like they started putting paintings up on the walls, but left out putting in the electrical wiring beforehand.

@@revcliff Its basically exactly that, yeah, and its something I've noticed is very common with these scam games. Generally, when you start working on a game, the very first thing you need to get down, at least in theory and on paper, is some form of core gameplay loop, basically: what do you want your players to be doing in your game, and why would they be doing it? World size, building and customization options, etc. all come after that, those are "the paintings on the walls" like you said, but first and foremost, you NEED some kind of "walls" to hang those paintings from, and to serve as a basis and support for everything else in your game. And pretty much any of these scam games I have seen has been lacking precisely this.

yep its like build house without windows and then just cut windows into the wall. Yes you can do that this way, but it will be much harder and less stable.

It's not just that either. The tech in most cases literally will not work when you try to wrangle in networking after the fact, period. Even if you do a really good job at designing your systems to be well encapsulated, there are just so many interconnected variables in games and game demos that trying to untangle it to tie it back together with networking would essentially be like rewriting the entire project from scratch. With game engines it can be easier because a good game engine will just be more like building blocks, and there won't be as many connections tying content together as in a game, but it will still often be a hassle.

The whole "if it needs to be multiplayer, make multiplayer work from the beginning" both shows experience, and is a rookie mistake to make. I say that not as an insult, but just to show HOW BAD most of these "we'll add multiplayer later" games are, and how little experience they have. Most people with tech experience, even without any game dev experience, could probably guess that multiplayer is something you want to have mostly worked out in stage 1. Doing it the other way around, is like trying to build a cloud file service website like Dropbox, but forgetting to add "multiplayer" in until the end after development: a login screen w/ a backend that supports multiple users, making sure no user can see any other user's files by default, but give them the ability to share files with each other. Make sure the authentication scheme is secure (at the very minimum, don't reveal player's MAC addresses, and maybe test your player name bans with the renaming system first). Any project manager would look at that integration and say, "What do you mean, 'end of development'? This project isn't nearly over, it's barely at 50%. Look at all this work left to do..." Anyone who has worked on bigger projects before or designed systems from the ground up would see this as obvious, "yes of course make sure multiplayer/multi-users works very early on, are you telling me there's people out there who don't know that?" You could still be a fairly experienced game dev or programmer and not understand that yet, since you've only been focusing on one slice of the pie, and not the whole thing. But anyone who's ran a project, or designed a thing from the ground up, it is a rookie mistake.

Im glad you noticed the improved font :D

@@JoshStrifeHayes I actually wonder how far you can go with this. :D

@@JoshStrifeHayes The 'Do it yourself or you cant criticize it' is not just 'maybe wrong' or a Opinion-to-be-wrong. Its objectively wrong. Its utter Nonsense and often used by Dumplings, as i happened to notice as a visible Trend. Its a common Idea and its totally wrong: If you see a Helicopter in a Tree, you can say 'Dude's messed up...' no matter who you are.

@@JoshStrifeHayes The 'Do it yourself or you cant criticize it' is not just 'maybe wrong' or a Opinion-to-be-wrong. Its objectively wrong. Its utter Nonsense and often used by Dumplings, as i happened to notice as a visible Trend. Its a common Idea and its totally wrong: If you see a Helicopter in a Tree, you can say 'Dude's messed up...' no matter who you are.

The 'Do it yourself or you cant criticize it' is not just 'maybe wrong' or a Opinion-to-be-wrong. Its objectively wrong. Its utter Nonsense and often used by Dumplings, as i happened to notice as a visible Trend. Its a common Idea and its totally wrong: If you see a Helicopter in a Tree, you can say 'Dude's messed up...' no matter who you are.

@@slevinchannel7589 cool bro. I just have one question. Who the fuck asked?

@@fulsame1 I have a better question: Who cares aobut people asking unironically "Who asked?" Even using the f-word just on top of the cringeyness?

@@fulsame1 Why does someone write a comment like yours, just to embarass himself? I dont get that Mindset. Why would you ask someone "Who the F Cares, bro?!?!?" Haha?

Probably had some milk beforehand too

Fanchen moment right there

I understand that refecence! :D

You ever hear the phenomenon where satire just becomes what it was attempting to mock? You are talking about Nightmare world as if it is a success yet... while they are relying on free labour of hard working people etc and have nothing to show just yet... you're sounding like the fans of DreamWorld, Earth2, etc.

@@ErgonomicChair I mean it has succeeded in doing what it set out to do, show how easy it is to copy and even surpass dreamworld.

@@ErgonomicChair Nightmare World was not dropped on Kickstarter asking for a few thousand bucks with the expressed - if not honest - intention to make a properly-made and mass-marketable MMO. It's a pet project with zero expectations, taken with the attitude of "it'd be nice if it was a success, but it's fine if it doesn't pan out." There's a big difference there.

@@shoukokomi6419 Possibly hot take but profit motive only helps gaming as an artform to a certain extent and then investor capitalism starts constraining and destroying its value as art

@@ErgonomicChair yes but no . you are right but don't be silly it would be autistic to do that plus i think that people are a bit grown and aware now to be able to see if the project become a scam .

Did I hear ''Kind''? ((HUGS)) :3x

@@MuhammadHosny0 What's up? Elite knows who I am and accepts hugs. No need to be rude.

@@TheKindKitten Why are you Gae?

Nothing to do with your comment, but cool profile avatar ^.^ x

I remember that i had to rebuild my AMP after Fortuna came out and had a part with a bit more crit... that was the best part of it for me, because i needed standing with different factions to get the best possible AMP. The cetus weapons... super boring. Yesterday they talked about it on stream how great it wouldbe if you need standing somewhere and then grind somewhere else to become better and how the standing here and standing there makes you special in who you are (something like this....).

@@DreaMeRHoLic Urgh, the grind is what drove me from Warframe. I realised I wasn't having fun any more, just grinding to get shit with abysmal drop rates.

@@rolfs2165 It's pretty much why I stopped playing most of those kinds of games. Play for fun, not for the grind. I grind in real life with a job, I don't have time to waste that "grind" on virtual pixels anymore!

thanks! we're trying to make a game where the "Meta" massively changes depending on the horizontal content people are doing :D

Because DW is so bad, that 10 minutes later, you'll be dangling from a tree😁

@@Mehrunes86 can confirm, have been hanging here for months.

The 'Do it yourself or you cant criticize it' is not just 'maybe wrong' or a Opinion-to-be-wrong. Its objectively wrong. Its utter Nonsense and often used by Dumplings, as i happened to notice as a visible Trend.

Makes me wonder: Know 'Hbomberguy'? Like Collum Upton, he kinda informs about lots of stuff after he informed himself. Yes, not 'assumed around' but 'informed himself'.

Took us only a week to do better than Dreamworld lol

The suddenly you get a suggestion of a video of a Korean dude that made friends with a praying mantis :/

@@vhrod1681 I look forward to that one ;)

I still wonder where that money went. I've seen 2 videos on it and there seemed to still be a big chunk of money that is unaccounted for. On the other hand I doubt they'll make one since it's already over, and these scams are still taking people's money

Fantasy Life was fun. Kinda MMO like but just Single player.

As someone skilled at making “glass cannons” that are better at tanking than tanks, so many games think they balanced when a few simple tweaks can bend the entire system.

@@nvfury13 Yeah. I never understood the whole, "If you think you can make a better game, do it." Argument. I've seen some amazingly well coded games that look awesome, but BOY do they need rebalancing. Good coding does not make a good game. Take ICY: Frostbite edition. Looks like HELL from a graphics stand point, but my GOD I loved the combat. It is so hard to find a combat system that actually makes you feel like you are playing a group of characters. I would go so far to say it has the best group tactics combat system I have seen in a long time., without getting bogged down in X-COM level of BS. If I ever make a RPG, I am SO stealing their combat system. I find that game to be a perfect example of the inverse. The game looks like ass, but the story and combat system are amazing. However, by the argument, "If you can't make a better game, don't knock it." I can't PRAISE the game, because I can't make a better one. Game testing and game coding are two different beasts. Power Gaming Munchkins like The Spiffing Brit are, in my opinion, the gold standard in game critique. If you can figure out how to turn your Skyrim character into a nuke that can kill everyone on the map at any distance with one spell, you are the one I want to review my game.

Makes me wonder: Know 'Hbomberguy'? Like Collum Upton, he kinda informs about lots of stuff after he informed himself. Yes, not 'assumed around' but 'informed himself'.

Yeah, I'm sure you can champ.

We have a Nightmare World discord. You can find the link in Callum's Discord.