What We Learned After 50 Games of Commander | Commander Clash S16 Stats 

Ah yes Richards favorite time of the year, getting to make a PowerPoint of him dunking on the crew 😂

Love richard hosting this cast from inside his shower. Already trying to make himself look like less of a threat for next season

Prediction: Richard has the most 1st places; the most played cards are farewell, vesuva, and one ring;most 4th places goes to Phil.

We learned that if your goal is to win, you will probably win more than players who don't care about winning.

Really enjoyed you guys playing paper, much easier to follow than moto in my opinion

Shoutout to the editor, who cuts out all the unnecessary bits! We wouldn't be able to enjoy this content as much without him!

Me at the start of each game: let Richard cook Me at the end of the game: see that's why you kill Richard first!

I wonder if proper threat assessment was learned? 😅 Never change guys. Its entertaining as heck.

0:33 the lesson phil learned: don’t say anything about next turn.

Also kudos to Phil for still being stalwartly against cyc rift.

expectation: richard richard richard. Reality: richard richard richard oh and crim that one time

So glad stats are back. One of my favorite things you do :)

First season of commander clash i watched, can't believe it's over

For the ramp discussion, a line graph would be better to map everything out. How much mana on average per turn can someone produce? This could capture the early game ramps.

Richard: I am become Grixis, destroyer of pods

Talisman of Dominance making the list of most played artifacts shows how Dimir the group is

I wish they would calculate the average placing for each number of the turn order. I want to see if whoever goes first has a higher win rate etc.

Seriously, Richard only wants no swords so his toski is safe.

I think Phil had a point about the ramp stats, that it would have been more interesting to look at the mana at turn 6 instead of end of game

the Spot Removal category cant be right, RIGHT? 1.6 spot removals PER DECK? This is SO LOW. Hell, even 4 would be low

I think any averages would be more meaningful if they were accompanied by a standard deviation (or variance) value. For example, the "number of times the commander was cast" being close to 1 could either mean it was cast consistently only once or twice, or it could mean the commander wasn't cast in a lot of games, but was cast a bunch of times in a few games.

Crim, having taught his students the value of Black and Blue, realized there was no more left to teach, and moved on to the big control deck in the sky. Sometimes, I can still hear him to this day.

A good new stat to track would be the total number of unique cards played for each player, and split down into card types. This would go to see who is bringing the most variety over the season.

Before even watching: fog meta confirmed, phil dies the most (unjustly!), seth draws the most cards, richard with 100% boompiles

Phil talking about how he won't use Cyclonic Rift makes me wish he'd start using Fade Away instead for the memes

12:00 Seth going to go next season bringing a Canlander deck 😂

One thing the ramp score nicely shows is that making land drops every turn tops ramping early and missing landdrops (due to bad luck, low land count or carddraw). AKA: playing more lands tops playing more ramp

SO SO SO glad to see the return of stats!

For the ramp discussion, don’t forget that in addition to land destruction, mana dorks and mana rocks also tend to die before the game is over. So early ramp may not contribute to this score.

for Phil, if you're playing mono-U, you can play The Phasing of Zhalfir as a wrath. It's not great but it can hit un-targetable as well save a couple of your creatures in a pinch. It also isn't super abusive like cyclonic rift.

"How does Richard win so much?" Well, when you load up on only gas and count on the rest of the table to do the interaction...

SO Crim was the most budget player and second most successful. Truly the peoples champion.

You guys are really killing it. I've loved watching you guys grow as streamers, friends and people. Best season so far.

Woohoo stats episode!!

The real stat I'm missing is "what percentage of time that you could play it, did you actually play a card you ranked 'S'"! Every set they call cards "auto includes" and I feel like we hardly see them played...

Great topic! Cant wait to see more of these after future seasons. Edit: hahaha Crims reaction after Richard said "no edicts"

These are some of my favorite episodes. My stat recommendation for tracking: How many mana dorks/mana artifacts are killed by board wipes. Richard's game theory is to use less of these because of the board wipes, but I feel like I don't see it happen that much. Just a proof behind the concept.

I've been on forcefield for a while and it's very good! Super strong in commander even gets around hexproof!

The price was shocking. My most expensive deck clocks in at $450. Most of mine are $80-250 in value

My argument in favour of swords at a 4 player table has always been; commander has kill on sight creatures, and spot removal isnt ideal but sometimes you need a creature gone by turn 4. If all players have spot removal in their decks the chances of someone comboing/snowballing early is dropped by the good odds on removal. This favours control decks to an extent as a meta, but commander is a format for long games, and a meta with buffers built into the game through boardwipes and spot removal always led to a better table experience unless u are on voltron or similar aggro strategies.

Love the stats episodes! Thanks goldfish team

Comment on the ramp score: The numbers being closed to 1 can generate confusion, but remember the a deck that doesn't ramp will be closer to 0.5 as they're bound to eventually miss land drops.

Always enjoy these stats episodes to see if the theory crafting in the podcast matches reality. Also hope you'll do more 'house rules' episodes next season now that you guys play in paper. Would like to see an episode with 'custom partner commanders' for example, where someone is allowed to pick 2 single color commanders that normally don't have partner.

Clash letting the guy signing the paychecks win :D

Very Dimir, Very mindful

Comments: Richard is so dumb, his views are so wild and incorrect Richard: Aight, ima win

You know, I bet if they (and himself) stop introducing Seth as 'better known as SafronOlive' in every single video he's in, he WOULDN'T be better known that way. But it is an unexpectedly catchy intro.

Ramp score….. seems low but I bet, for one, Phil is right and if you did the same math on turn 6 it would be higher. Second, I bet there were significant number of dorks and rocks that inevitably didn’t survive till each players last turn.

According to the stats, we need to switch out saying Farewell with Ondu Inversion.

These are some of my favorite episodes, and it really makes me want to start breaking down my own decks and recording stats.

the return of stats episode! I'm so happy =)

My real life job is to review metrics of an aerospace company. The best way to take action on your metrics is to create a list of action items to improve your metric and review them monthly until they are completed. Think of the excitement at the end of every game where after the commander games you go to the kill Richard first category and it still hasn't happened!!

Phil normally takes off before anyone and everyone stops him from winning!

Being completely fair, I’m like Crim with Swords to Plowshares. I have an Archangel Avacyn deck where I cut swords to make room for more destroy target creature cards so I can control flipping Avacyn.

Swords per person being the inverse of win percentage is so funny Also this week on the bloomburrow in the 99 pod JLK of command zone talked about cutting spot removal for more wraths so maybe Richard’s view is catching on

One advice for the next data analysis here: maybe you could add the standard deviation (and/or variance) to the analysis. Since you're already doing a bit of statistics here, I don't think that would be too much to demand of the audience. That would also show whether the average is representative of the general deck, or there is a big difference between single decks.

Make an Example is close enough to a wrath that I'd count it. It gets the most important creature from everyone, and a few others at the very least.

I wonder how many of those 0 basic decks that RIchard played had Mystic Sanctuary.

Ramp score should be measured as lands played outside the turn drop

Richard plays the table, not just the cards, and his gaslighting gets him toooo far! Y'all are letting him win by taking out swords

The next season, they should do the 32 deck challenge. Every single week they should have to try a new color combination along with whatever the themes are for each week

We need to ban Phil from saying "...the next turn...". Bet it skyrockets his winrate

Pretty sure richard’s winning the most is because he’s great at politicking and not being the threat

I just want to say, I have loved the shift to paper magic.

Yes, I'm very happy stats episodes are back

For next Commander Clash build ghalta stampede Tyrant, Seth.

I think one takeaway is that median score should be used more as a guide since it filters theme weeks nicely. A stat I would love to see is commander staying power, since you only play it once per game, how long does it actually stay for? Is it a combo finisher, or an engine.

Love how Richard had to verify Crim's employment status 😂❤

I was worried that stats would be gone after the move to paper but I'm glad that my favourite episode is still a thing

I've been building a fair number of decks recently and while I do make an effort to keep the decks affordable in case I want to pick them up in paper, most of my decks end up in the $200-250 range. Even if I had access to infinite magic cards, I think my average deck would probably be around $400. 3+ colour manabases really add up, I guess

Their meta shows pretty strong here and frankly is why Richard has such a high winrate. If I sat around not doing anything for the first 7 turns like he does I'd be out of the game every time. But because this is a show and they're friends they show mercy to him.

Where are the 9 games that aren’t shown in total win score They said that there were 47 total games but in games won stats they added to 38

I agree when Seth says their meta is far from a normal pod's

If you play low-cost commanders, then you might prefer having an Average Commander Casts that's closer to 3. Low cost commanders are basically card draw. Play them into counterspells/removal/etc. instead of the valuable cards in hand, since you know they can just come right back. Roll them out on turn 2 or 3 as a primary blocker assuming they will eventually get killed, and plan to win on the second or third time you play them.

One stat I would like to see is who killed the most players. I’m typically the aggressor in my play groups so I get the most kills but rarely win the game.

52:04 it say that Richard played 0 selesnya deck, but he played that Dr Who Voltron commander (that won the game) and he's WG 🤔

Is it possible that, because over webcam paper play your opponents' hands aren't always visible, that Richard gets to have a big hand and still not look like a threat?

I love these episodes SO MUCH. CLASH ON!!

I almost never cast my commander until I can get value from it that turn.

Whoever made that animated Seth in the thumbnail, you’re wrong for that 😂 lol making him not so fat as if he’s ashamed or something

Tomer if you read this will you please brew a Yhenna, Redtooth Regent deck (non-budget) with Primal Order and the typical token doublers like Parallel Lives, etc. Punish the non believers. 😂

Yall have me questioning my 32 land choices. 34 is my baseline and thats low cpmpared to you guys. Also because this video came across my feed I will now be going back and watching your entire season of clash

The most anticipated episode returns!

I dont play less than 12 basics ever. They enter untapped, they are safe from random ld in pick up games. Mana rocks are colorless anyway.

Honestly I like the turn 6ish meta I find to normally exist in all my local lgs when we play casual commander. As it lets me go through my decks EXCEPT how much certain art types will get stigmatized based off of their “finishers”. For instance, play a blue red deck with a jink combo. let’s say playing a spell card that punished your opponents based off of the amount of non-basic lands they played and then jumping through hoops to copy it without making infinite mana or one of the other cheese methods. You’re the bad guy. Play a Green based deck that makes 12+ mana by turn six and wins on the spot or build such an insurmountable board state with mana to spare for protection, that you basically have won. And it’s what the deck supposed to do.

Best episode every season.

Richard really said it. "I wouldn't power out sol ring with urzas saga because it dies to a wrath" Need to powercreep sol ring I guess 😂😂😂

46:19 Seth: Look how few mana rocks there are More than half of those artifacts are mana rocks, along with a Wayfarer's Bauble and Dowsing Dagger. There's a lot of fast mana here, pretty average I'd say

I think its grixis propaganda that green is the strongest color in commander. The stats show that Richard and Crim who played 37% and 33% green decks respectively won the most and Phil who played the most green at 72% lost the most by far. Green, by itself, is so good at looking scary that it eats wraths and then falls apart. Related to the above point, It would be cool to see the colors in relation to the wins and see what pairings or colors are winning in the group.

Crim: You see every season we do this stats episode and I tell you we can’t let Richard keep getting away with it. Then look what keeps happening! Also Crim: Ok yea Phil never wins, but he would be number 1 if I didn’t hate him out every game!

Stats episodes are the best!

i loved to see the wrath per deck as many years ago i was playing mono green snake aggro and at the table someone was playing orzhov which had 26 wraths in the deck... i still won with my infinite snakes but it was painful XD

Random podcast topic: Now that you're playing with paper cards are there any that you play you wouldn't have online and vice versa

I think using Scryfall's Tagger system to consider cards would help Crim's case. Scryfall/Moxfield searching for: "otag:removal-creature-sacrifice or otag:removal-creature" would be helpful. I think showing a ratio of card types would be interesting as well. Like how much lean towards planeswalkers/battles/enchantments/artifacts. I could also see having an early slide about not including complete outlier decks of "Only lands" or "Lost in the Woods". Maybe list out the categories of outlier decks.

Most excellent! My favorite episodes of the season

Agree with Richard on the amount of times you should be casting your commander. I always wait until everyone has fired their removal or I have protection up.

Stats is back! I'm glad! It was missed, last season.

For measuring the amount of ramp, you could choose a fixed turn to check the mana you can generate. For example, turn 6. If you can generate 10 mana at turn 6 you are doing great and probably won't need much more. But if you get to 10 at turn 10, your current measure is not showing ramp, just mostly land drops.

in relation to the amulet of vigor convo, i've found by playing spelunking that it absolutely super charges your other land ramp by making it all come in untapped. the high of open the way x=4 with spelunking out is unmatched

ramp score is kinda a poor metric in this case. early ramp is the best ramp, because you get to spend that one extra mana that many more turns. It's probably not worth the trouble it would take to figure out how much mana each player generated over the course of the game, but *that* would be a much more interesting number.