What We Learned After Testing a BMW M3 Over 40,000 Miles | Car and Driver 

how's it been reliability wise? I've always been drawn to BMW sedan's but have never been able to pull the trigger as of yet. Is your's an X drive model or no? Also what sort of options did you go with?

Haven’t had to do any repairs yet? Other than maintenance, are ur miles mostly highway?

@@onefastboi14 I’ve had zero issues other than those I’ve caused e.g. slight rub from running spacers. As for my spec; I have a manual so Xdrive was not an option for me. At the time of my order, I hadn’t actually seen the sport seats in person and I knew I’d be driving between Charlotte and Miami in a manual. Once I found out Tartufo leather couldn’t be optioned with carbon buckets, it cemented to decision to go with the normal seats. I have full leather, laser lights, M drive pro, carbon fiber interior trim, and extended shadow line trim. The switch from 21 to 22 meant that the executive package only included heads-up display (which I don’t care for), heated steering wheel, and auto trunk opening/closing. Before the package also included the laser lights and they weren’t a standalone option. So I skipped the executive pack too.

@@brandonchism6960 I've seen a M3 touring with tartufo carbon buckets online recently 🤤

@@F82_ great question… no, I haven’t had any repairs, just maintenance for this car. Up to this point, I haven’t had a light of any kind either. As for miles, highway is the majority of my mileage. With exception of San Antonio, TX; I’ve had frequent trips between the cities mentioned in my original post. I’ve also put a lot of miles on exploring backroads in states throughout the Southeast US.

Many people driving cars like BMW change their cars every 3.5 years and never hit 40,000miles so they don’t need to care a review at 40,000miles

@@manofsesame3024 Well if you were to lease more like 3 years not 3.5 and it would be 30,000 miles but I see you were trying to make a point with the video lol

There’s no way anybody with eyes would call any modern BMW beautiful 😂

The look definitely grew on me once I saw it in person. Green/Kaylamimis is incredible spec

@@mvcharisma2968 I have eyes... It's beautiful... What color is your M3?

Hey man how’s the car so far tho ? Do you think it’s reliable?

@loganjamey4032 not a single issue in over a year of ownership. Racked 15,000 miles and it's driven like it's meant to be driven. Such an incredible machine!

Thank you!

Carlos is a true pro. Definitely among the best

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And Edmunds also, definitely C and D's gain.

😂😂👍

still looks like beaver teeth to me.

@@boom2055 it’s just badly designed car, not necessarily the graphics fault alone Motor seems great tho

2 door ugly 4 door is good

Personally I wouldn't care too much about the Th vid. As it was drenched with unessary vindictiveness. Like saying it is less drifty, but omitting that the current M2 has a staggered setup, instead of the previous 19/19 setup. Complaining about the shifter in that fashion, even though it is EXACTLY the same as the one Thomas has and apparently loves - instead of mb being disappointed that it wasn't made better. But the message you get is: It was good. it is crap now. Same thing with that stupid test. Yes it's not an NA engine, was never meant to be one, thatswhy you cannot overpower higher gears, because it's designed to work in conjuction with the turbos. They never made that kinda test with any other car, ever! And without seeing nothing but the terminal you only perceive speed by the sound. In that scenario an agressive sounding Clio RS might come across as faster/responsive. The S58 is a torquey boi. And you have all the torque available at 2,7-3k rpm. All in all. Yes, it seems like its more of a ring tool now than it is a highend miata. And this is kinda where the real choice between Manual/Auto lies. If you are going to "tune" the S58, which is actually 560-580PS~, bring it to that realm, you are surpassing 700nm basically immediately. Which makes the 550nm gearbox the biggest bottleneck in that car. Most ring people will probably push that thing to over 1000nm and have ordered the auto anyway.

That was the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a car review in a while. I’ve literally never, in all my years driving a manual, floored a car in a high gear from 1000 rpm and wondered why it was slow. Everyone would downshift in that situation. But the S58 is not really laggy like they make it out to be. Full boost comes on a little under 3000 rpm.

DO NOT GET THE AUTO PLEASE. Two of my boys have g80 one auto rwd comp, one manual rwd. The auto has full bolt ons making 700whp. The manual car is much much much more fun to drive every day. It’s extremely rewarding especially here on some back roads in Fl. The manual is really nice experience. We all agree that the slower manual is the better car. The new tech makes it easy to drive in traffic really not an issue at all. Get the manual you won’t regret it.

Thank you for your input, all of you. Everything you said makes sense and in retrospect makes the TH review look a bit ridiculous and off base. One day I may trade up my E46 for a manual G82, but I think I'll push the E46 to the end of its life (177k miles going strong) first and throw in a carbon airbox to really make the most of it. Who knows, maybe I'll eventually be able to keep it and have them side by side.

I’m now at 47,600 miles on my G80 manual. If you’re used to driving manual, especially a BMW shifter, you’re gonna love it. Enough has been said about the TH video so I won’t add. Just know that the car is a riot and highly enjoyable. I would only do things differently if we had the touring available in the states.

Pretty sure theyve already confirmed this last gen is the last with manual

And now I am enjoying my M2. 😁

Giulia quads are fantastic cars and now totally reliable.

Do it

That money isn't completely gone. M3s hold their value fairly well at around $50,000-$70,000 after a few years.

@@NexusAbstracts And when they become classics if driven properly.. will retain even more.

because after 40K the car basically fall apart, i had 1 m3 everything just die on you

S58 and B58 are very reliable engine

​@@aznrobot9637s58 is very reliable

BS. It was originally the blue from bmw and red from a sponsor. Sponsor pulled out but they already committed to the branding and just rolled with it.

@@Chalybis texaco

Did you?

@@Rumblingbelly nope holding WRX for now, prices on the F80 are actually making that more attractive

Personally, I'd rather have a not-great manual over any automatic. My C10's shifter is awful by traditional standards, but I love it.

It still has some time to go. Here's a link to the updates: www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a41519597/2022-cadillac-ct4-v-blackwing-reliability-maintenance/

@@caranddriver Thanks for the update! Looking forward to it and a slight comparison of the BW with this M3 if you please.

It makes no sense that they did this. Are they just trying to be fancy? It is lame and they should stick to what works in a car like the M3. In a 2 series Gran Coupe, do what you want. :)

You won't notice.

It looks dumb but is not reason to avoid purchasing the car.

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To me, sound and power delivery.

It’s the Inline 6 setup

The CSL grill shouldn't be that expensive aftermarket right? I don't really dislike the current stock grill and actually like it but the csl grill does look a lot better.

Don’t give them ideas

I had a f81 manual for 1 year and 5000km's...i didnt like the 6 mt...i felt rhe cars to big and not spartanic enough to fit the 6 mt..i felt it was more of a cruiser plus the transmission is kn no way sporty by default...shorter stick is a must probably....thats coming from a guy who converted a 928 porsche auto to manual trans... For me, m4 suits the dct much better, my 2 cents

We are one of their biggest market, and they have an assembly facility here. Will not make sense if they make it very expensive.

Did the same a while back. Cadillac’s biggest weaknesses were interior finish, tech, color/finish options, and smaller cabin. Driving dynamics wise the BW “felt better” in turns and suspension wise. The manual in the BW is also objectively better. But…I did the same speeds on the same roads in both cars back to back and there was zero actual performance difference.

@@Chalybis yeah, but it feels better doing it in the Blackwing. Also, the CT4 and CT5 are supposed to get complete refreshes this Fall for the ‘24 model year.

better budgeting, orr get a job that can afford a BMW and its exorbitant upkeep

That was really funny 😂

@@jjames2162 I’m not even kidding 😂. I have it shut off on my X3M Comp !!! Mid conversation and all the sudden the radio is getting louder! 🤌🏼

@@Carlo-_ as a fellow paisano, I understand 🇮🇹

About $20K I would say.

Hell no, with 40k miles, it might lose $8k maximum. Mileage isn’t as big of a negative anymore and 40k miles is still very low miles for an engine

In a year?!?!?

The new M3’s are cheaper than the E90 gen cars were, adjusted for inflation. A lot cheaper actually.

@@Chalybis I don’t doubt it but there are better options out there. Mustangs Camaros. Zl1,has 650 hp also.

Worth every penny

Even the non-M e90s with sport package were brilient - I had two of them and miss it so much I might just go back for a third!!

@@infidel900rr I also had two e90s, both 335i's. I still own my second, if you end up buying another, do m3 control arms in the front. Totally changes the car

Differential went out on my E92 335i around 80K miles. Like what the hell

😂 I hope they do 100,000 miles on this then remake this video or at least 80,000 miles

This is outdated info. BMW has been climbing and is ranked #3 for new car reliability per Consumer Reports. The Toyota Supra has been using a BMW engine for several years now - I don't think they would choose to do that if it didn't meet their quality standards.

Those decent cars your talking about do they all have twin turbo motor pushing over 470hp? Are they being driven equally as hard to 40k miles including track days, being thrashed on back roads and drifted at every opportunity when presented. I’m sure a many high performance vehicles would surprise you how long they last if they were to be driven like a Corolla. you have to have realistic m expectations when owning a car like this. Regardless the s58 drivetrain in this vehicle is proving to be extremely stout and it’s predecessors the f80 has nothing outside of usual wear and tear items worth noting or preventing potential ownership that goes for the chasis too and not just the engine in a now 9 year old platform

Modern BMW have become pretty damn reliable, 10-15 years ago they were shit but BMW has made major improvements to their reliability. The engine in this M3 (the S58) is based on the B58 that goes in their lower trim models. The B58 also goes in the Toyota Supra after Toyota did their own independent testing on the engine’s reliability and gave it the thumbs up to go in their Supra.

Depends where y'all having your seasons.

40k is barely break in for even American cars, while the Japanese laugh at 150k

I have been considering BMWs for years, but the maintenance cost has always been my concern. Do you mind me asking how much you had to pay for that? And how often do you need to do that?

1 line is feet, 2 lines is inches. so you need " not '. sorry cant help it lol

@@sinaramezani1127 sorry I didn’t see your question. $1100 spark plugs but did them myself for around $150. Oil change was $120 but did it for $50, air filters $120 but did them for $30 cabin air was also $120 but did it for $30. Alignment was $150, tires was $1400

@@lrnasigo1 thank you

because it's a BMW

These cars have great engines though