What Went Wrong for Mick Schumacher in Formula 1? 

yeah and its sad cuz he didnt really learned anything from nikita and thats bad he improved this year thanks to kev

I mean the Haas both he and Mazepin got for their rookie seasons were among some of the most fucking atrocious F1 cars to ever be allowed on the grid tbh. I genuinely count this year as his rookie year because the old car was neigh undrivable. Period.

Imagine Lewis or Max in last year's Haas. That car wasn't as terrible as Mick and Mazespin made it look.

I disagree. Latter half of this season he's been a solid racer who has been pretty consistent in his racing ability.

excuses, formula one is the harshest sport i’ve ever seen in my life. they’ll find any excuse to throw you out for the guy who’s hot atm

Hahahaha! *eyes De Vries*

@@LathropLdST he's older with much more motorsport experience, can't really compare

@@cesarfly9474 Still surprises me he is 27

@@zNoah yeah, he looks like 18 or 20 lol

@@LathropLdST Atleast Mick wasn't yeeted out mid-season.

Obvious. He was a Ferrari imposition, not their pick.

I think most of people don't realize how short on money Haas is. The last thing they need is a driver costing millions in repair costs.

You do know that Haas has a very limited budget

@@Drakewyrm they could also earn more money by scoring more points with doing a proper strategy, not having reliability issues, and also not having Kmag destroy their chances by ruining a front wing on lap 1. Haas are on a limited budget but it’s not fully on Mick costing them 5mil. They could very well be P6 in the championship if they played their cards right, but they didn’t.

@@Drakewyrm I'm definitely aware. I just thought that the whole crash argument didn't hold much weight since the early crashes have been quite some time ago but I also just remembered that Mick crashed in Suzuka Practice. Although with the MoneyGram sponsor I'm curious on how Haas is doing financially now

Yep exactly on point.

If they have a great car like in Bahrain, we will see a great result.

Binnoto and Ferrari is what went wrong in the first place, Mick supposed to be Alfa Romeo driver but Ferrari shitty politics want Gio to stay just because he is italian, it doesn't help either the facts when Mick went into Haas he was paired with shitty driver like Mazepin who also have terrible behavior, then when Mick finally have capable car for scoring points there are Gunether who is the most toxic shit team principal who talking crap about Mick in the public whenever there are every chances for it. Mick situation is much more complex than what people would think but one thing for sure he already showed his potential and why he deserves F1 seat not because of his surname but because the talent he has like when Mick fighting with Max or Lewis in inferior car.

@@thejaiz8564 it doesn't matter how good the points and car, a team principal who cant forster a good enviorment, through discipline or friendliness, is bound for failure.

for what i've seen in the netflix series, he's quite the asshole

KMAG said he didnt understand why they were getting rid of him and thought mick deserved to stay in his seat next season.

@@redhulk4048 when was this?

@@enigmatic13465 in an interview he did after I think Austin or Brazil

@@redhulk4048 He never said that

@@THEcrushdrone He did

Fair, but on the other hand they are right to tell him those things - they can't afford to have those crashes and as a driver you have to be able to absorb that sort of pressure.

But he truly was crashing too much, especially under a budget cap.

Stop invoking him at Audi. I am not cheering for a Schumacher in this or my next life.

@@tymoncebartowskii660 it's all good to tell him, but maybe don't do it in public. Some of the press conferences with steiner were borderline hostile

@@peergroth4563 Could you point out an example? I haven't come across that really, but maybe I've missed something

Sainz is doing well enough in Ferrari. Oh and btw. Hulk beat Sainz but somehow people think Nico is no better than Mick

@@Xzibitfreek how ferrari is doing rn, mick is better off not joining ferrari

He shat on his fathers name

@@SD-mi2vc Wtf did you expect? For Mick to win races in that shitbox of a car, in order to "honour" his fathers name? Even a Hamilton or a Verstappen would not have been able to do that, if they were sitting in a HAAS! ▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎ Either way, HAAS were only somewhat "okay" at the beginning of the season and gradually lost performance in comparison to all the other teams. HAAS then, over the whole season, did only one single major update. HAAS eventually lost massive ground in performance after the first third of the season and did not recover at all, even stating that they would rather focus on the 2023 season instead. In the last 2 thirds of the season HAAS were no longer competitive anymore and couldn't "easily" score points any longer. Despite of that fact, Mick still managed to become better and consistently outperfomed Kevin in these 2 last thirds of the season without any major incidents or crashes, whilst gradually improving more and more over time. HAAS also fucked over Micks potential chances of scoring points by bad strategy calls and or terrible pitstops multiple times throughout the entire season, and in Singapore Russell just completely ended Micks charge to the front. On the other hand we have Kevin, who was on pace only in the first third of the season (where the car was somewhat competitive), and then fucked himself over with his stupid overaggressive driving (and his multiple unnecessary first lap incidents), which basically cost the team a lot of good potential race positions or points. It was visibly obvious that HAAS wanted to get rid of Mick, and that Mick was only in the team because of Ferrari. We don't have the full picture of why this all happened as it did (maybe some personal issues, or some other type of unknown issue that hasn't been disclosed), but any sensible team with common sense and the ability to see reality would have sticked with Mick and would given him at the very least a 1 year contract extention for the 2023 season! ▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎ Regardless of all of that, Mick made a mistake when joining HAAS, as he should have been rather at Alfa Romeo instead of HAAS in the first place, but apparently back then Ferrari had a contract clause with Giovinazzi that prevented that possibility. Thus many believed that Mick would have been promoted to Alfa Romeo for the 2022 season, but that team chose money over talent, as they had to pay a lot in order to get Bottas onboard, and needed some extra $€£ back through allowing Zhou to get a seat in F1 and bring in a huge chunk. Still, the longterm game of HAAS is plain stupid. What do they actually wish to accomplish by signing a "old" 35 year old driver, that was mediocre at best, and hasn't been in F1 for 3 whole years, and who will very likely be quite costly in terms of wages? So what is the longterm game of HAAS? In comparison to Nico, Mick had much more potential, which he proved in the 2 later thirds of the 2022 season, where he made solid progress and beat Kevin consistently; Mick also showcased this quality throughout his entire career, from the juniors all the way up to F1, that with time he only gets better and better! Funnily enough, HAAS apparently were also in talks with Ricciardo, a driver whose contract and wage would have been even bigger than that of Kevin and Hülkenberg and Mick combined, where did HAAS plan to get the money from to pay for Ricciardo?! But as ridiculous as all this is, this is not really surprising: HAAS are and always have been a stupid team to begin with. Their Rich Energy deal back in 2019, and the fact that they signed fucking Mazespin back in 2021, are evidence of that... HAAS are totally inept and painfully terrible in making the right decisions. People always make fun of Ferrari, but god damn... look at HAAS, they are a bunch of clowns as well (who like to shoot themselves in the foot for fun)!!!

And yet Mick had 2 points scoring occasions and Kevin had 7. It doesn't matter if you beat your teammate for p17. It does matter if you beat them for p5.

well gunther also summed this up nicely. why should haas have to be patient and develop mick when they can find a suitable replacement that will be 1. up to speed and 2. not crash. you really have to think from haas's perspective. why spend all that extra money on repairs when the budget is already extremely tight and you can simply find a driver who can do mick's job better?

So if you want to be a sucessful driver, never go to ferrari

@@marmedalmond9958 not in the way it is today, unfortunately.

And it took Nyck de Vries, the next poster child in that academy after Russell _three_ years after his title to get a seat in... the junior team of their main rivals, Red Bull. And even that was thanks to a lucky reserve role drop in at Monza. So I don't think he made the wrong choice at all, he got a seat in F1 immediately after his title win. That's what the point of an academy should be, not to let you rot on the sidelines for years (looking at you Alpine) but to get you a seat. The rest is up to you to prove yourself. Mick reminds me of Stoffel, he was a good promising driver as well that realistically could have been given a third season in the team, but team politics screwed him over and he wasn't as good as his senior teammate when it really mattered. The thing is though, the only drivers who get dropped by their teams are the ones that are not good enough. Mick got a fair shot and just didn't capitalize on it. The alternative was to never be given a shot at F1 to begin with like Illott and Schwartzman. I think he chose well.

@@nicklowe1815 i mean schumacher got into the ferrari academy in 2020 sort of. And the 2020 season is when ferrari became one insane clown show

See ther Merc academy: Ocon dropped for 1 year, GR needed 3 years to wait in a Williams (which was as bad as Haas in first year, and worse than Haas from season 2). And George is far ahead Mick. The Mercedes is full, no place for MS, Aston got Stroll and a big name, they don't need Mick. He can go to Williams, but remember, they even picked Logan without a license before Mick. And the Ferrari academy dropped him too. Mick's qualification pace is one of the worst in F1 roster (with Stroll and Latifi), and he can't really manage tyres too. He is good in sprints, that's all.

Thats right they could not develop any furher.

Kevin is fucked by the stategies and slow pitstop too. Mick is behind Kmag because of strategies is not an excuse for his slow pace.

But you see, that's wrong. Yes he's had a slow start to the season till he found out how the car works. Already before the half season he started outperforming Kevin and he was faster in most races in the end. Despite the team screwing him several times with strategy.

same for mick

Concerning amount of no pace...

Concerning amount of no pace And concerning amount of points scored

@@lordsabre66 no pace in the car

@@pcbloxnews no pace in the car

Protected Because of his name

What insane amounts of copium. Yeah man I’m sure Audi is spending 400 million to enter the sport and will employ 2 drivers who have been out of f1 for 4 years just because of their nationality. Yep that sounds real

@@Danker19991 Mick can come back come on..

@@Danker19991 happened with Michael

2024 i think actually, audi will probably have 50% of the shares of sauber by then so they'll have a say in the driver lineup

Vettel will turn 39 in 2026 🤣

Zhou is better.

There was no way Mick would've gone to that Haas shithole if the michael was with him.

@@kolour7611 That's not what the points data says.

God. Please. NO

@@NemXX2 Mick took advantage in Silverstone, ofc Mick got more points. Mick doesn't seem work well with the Haas management. That's why they don't keep him.

Grosjean was the master of Haas destruction. Mick just made some small dents and wrote one car off.

Mick has more damages than the top 3 combined in the last 2 years.

@@peterdevreter Mick cost Haas what 10 million, thats a full new package of updates that haas needed

The frontwing problem that Kevin had was in fact a very little problem, An endplate that was getting a bit loose , but stayed on the wing because it was wired to the wing so it couldn´t fly off. But stewards decided to call him into pit and get it replaced anyway. So pretty harsh thing to do to him, which they didn´t do to several others with similar problems

Good luck Merc with Mick cost you a lot of moneyWithout his last name he had never gotten into the F1

@@m.g.debruin8294 lol did his surname won f3 and f2, he is not only child of F1 driver, if jos was better people probably would say same about max lol

Hulk is a huge upgrade. Hulk carried midfield teams like Haas multiple times. Put Hulk in this years car and theres a good chance Haas finishes 6th and not 8th. Hulk is a considerably faster driver than Magnussen and Mick couldnt even handle Magnussen. Compare Magnussens 2016 and Hülkenbergs 2017 season and youll have a rough idea of each drivers talent as they both drove against Palmer.

@@Xzibitfreek Hulkenberg has a failed F1 career aswell stop hyping him up

@@herbertsavci228 Hulk is at the same lvl as Kmag, so what did Kmags F1 carrer also fail?

And both will run. Seeing they dislike each other.

@@LathropLdST They don't... there's a youtube clip showing them having fun about "Suck my balls mate"

Haas had the double experienced driver line up before, and they only got worse. The same will happen again.

They just go around in circles with old use by drivers.. must be time to sign Romain again .. Haas in 23 will be worst

@@donbrashsux the car was at its best with those 2

he just wasent good enough for F1

Only scoring 12 points is for the Hulk an easyJet job!

Gunther will flip out, fire both drivers, find more new drivers who can’t drive the shittiest car on the grid, fire them, and so on.

@@sanderbhuis But will he outscore KM?

​@@sanderbhuis2 races into 2023 i would say getting 12 points will be a hell of a job by how far ahead the Top 4 are. In fact even Alpine is still out of reach and probably Mclaren as well when they can get a normal race without bad luck and reliabilty problems

If you crash you pay, that wont work with the cost cap and I wouldn‘t be surprised if mick fans aided HAAS‘ decision by the toxicity and hate they brought to the Team. They might caused more harm than good for the kid.

Zhou brings in a fuck ton of money and the Chinese market, he is below average driver at best

@@vuilbaardgames3280 Below average for an F1 driver is he for sure. Even someone like Gasly or Bottas is just an average F1 driver. But at least Zhou doesn´t do stupid things like Schumacher, Tsunoda and Stroll. Let´s see how he drives 2023. If he improves, he earns a cockpit for the time after 2023.

The thing is that Zhou is getting absolutely stomped by Bottas even when Bottas DNF's multiple times throughout a race. At best, Zhou puts on a sleeper of a performance and relies on the team's strategy over being on the limit. So it is unfair for people to railroad Mick while saying "w-well, it is only Zhou's first season and he's had bad luck!!" It comes across as disingenuous, especially when Zhou hasn't put in a stellar performance at all while Bottas has consistently shown that the Alfa Romeo is a car that can fight with the Alpines and Mclarens for high point finishes.

@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson Zhou did better in Qualifying against Bottas (8:14) than Schumacher against Magnussen (6:16) and I think, Bottas is way better than Magnussen.

or maybe you expect your driver which have won F3 and F2 to be just a bit dicent behein the wheel of an F1 car

That's the point of F1. Haas could've brought another driver In f1 now granted mick was a good driver he was still a liability for haas. That's just F1, you either perform or not. Similar thing happened to nick and alpha tauri. You need to be the best in f1, he may have beat people in f2 and f3 but when you reach f1 you are competing with people who are much more skilled and better at handling pressure. He still needs work which is why according to me he will join in 2025 at the most. Also I think haas would've never signed him if he wasnt coming in with any sponsors. The mere fact that he got sponsors was the reason haas had him. He kind of bought his way into an f1 seat which is always a bad strategy. You need to let the team select the driver if you buy yourself into a seat even indirectly you'll end up being used and thrown out of the sport.

and yet Kmag is the reason why HAAS gets to the budget cap next season, and can build a car thats competitive, and now without Mick they can make updates to the car

Honestly think he'll end up as Mercedes reserve driver and they'll try to rehabilitate him. Then if Albon moves up the grid for 2024, they'll try and get him in at Williams. Think a nice supportive team principal like Jost would suit Mick down to the ground, look at how Albon has done this year and he was in a similar boat as Mick two years ago.

@@ciaranwalsh96 albon was a way better driver than Mick

Alfa Romeo, replacing Zhou, would have suited him next year. A calmer place and a small team with a future due to the Audi connection.

why? so he could cost haas even more monye?

@@weybye91 I said one more season but at a different team. Did you read the comment? 😂

Still learning?!?! Haas has been on the grid for about 8 years at this point! They have teams in other competitions too, they are NOT learning, that is exactly their problem!

because Kmag can deliver the resaults, and dosent bitch and moan when it goes badly

Hulken berg is not a bad driver he is consistent. The only thing he doesn't have is podiums but he has brought in points.

so why did HAAS compete for mid table before mick and mazapin?

Kept crashing sounds like he crashed every second race which isnt true....if it was the Head to head race results with kmag would be way different

Kept crashing. So exactly like most Haas drivers? Maybe it’s THE CAR.

I'm pretty sure the team around Schumacher were the ones that started this whole mess that turned Haas and Ferrari against him... Should've tried proving himself first, before making demands.

Why would the keep K-mag then? He brings zero money

@@briansrensen8204 because Kmag can make sure you get the monye from the Constructors championship, without Kmag, HAAS wouldnt be able to be at the bugdet cap next season

1 & 1

He's still part of the Ferrari Driver Academy as of now. If he leaves or is dropped, it will be by the end of the year.

Everybody can do very well in a good car 🙂

Mick did not outperform K-mag lol. Please get real down in Germany

No it wouldn‘t.

That was his mistake to be honest. Mick should've waited for a better seat. But I can see an f2 driver getting excited to go into f1.

But you can't blame him. He is young and was eager to drive an f1 car. Anyone would see that seat and jump on the offer. Heck if I was him I would jump at the offer from haas. But you're right patience would've got him a better seat.