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If you don't see a character here, it means their death date was either not recorded (Da Qiao / Xiao Qiao) or that they were a fictional character (Diao Chan / Zheng Jiang). Eight Princes characters are also not included since their timeline quite isolated compared to those who died during the Three Kingdoms conflict. If you are interested in Eight Princes history, please check out the Let's Talk Lore series covering the Eight Princes Conflict here: ru-vid.com/group/PLV2U5Ov1FXfB8Lrulcu34v8WIPZh04OtU
Pre modern medicine, you were lucky to make it past childbirth. In fact, even the mother was lucky to survive childbirth. Childbirth was one of the biggest killers right up until the 20th century. Even something as small as an infected nail could mean death. But people had much stronger immune systems back then, as they were constantly exposed to lots of different germs and parasites and viruses. But still, death was common for all ages. Thank god for antibacterial soap and penicillin.
THe last comment reminds me of the scene in 3 Kingdoms where Sun Quan cries, lamenting he will never stand up to Liu Bei and Cao Cao, but his tutor reminds him that he is much younger and will probably outlive them. And then they get shitfaced and Sun Quan is fine, i found that hilarious.
Sun Quan may not have been as heroic as his brother, may not have been as smart as Cao Cao, or as overall goodheaded as Liu Bei. But he proves again and again that he is a trooper, and survived all the horror of the era, outliving them all.
gongsun zan(leader)+lubu(heir)+xu chu(prime minister) makes mad man cav it desimates everything gongsun zan 200 instict (1 man army,he has roar of beast, he just makes a whole army flee mostly without a fight) (he is close to lubu, but his armor reduces some of this expertise, ) lubu reaches 200 instinct (1 man army) and xu chu just kills generals like troops (i think he can reach 200 resolve, i won before he could reach 200 resolve)
For anyone wondering why Zhang yan's death isn't recorded the last record of him currently alive is after dealing with the yuan family, Cao cao gave him the title of marquis and let him retire, his bandit army was integrated into Cao cao's army
Liu Bei: Blinded by hatred when his brothers were not around him anymore, died full of grief and depression Cao Cao: the scene of his death in the movie (2010) was amazing, he regretted nothing, all but just another petal perished in the chilling wind. Sun Quan: The last survivor, shame that his descendants did nothing good for the empire I would love to see all three of them drinking wine under the peach tree talking about how the conflict keep on raging in the afterlife
Usually when I think about the Three Kingdoms I always lament about how Liu Bei seemed to have suffered the most and gained the least. But Wei was overthrown by the Sima clan and Wu kept being mediocre until its demise. The truer tragedy is how these few decades of strife resulted in nothing lasting, except for the heroism of the warlords and soldiers.
It’s pretty staggering how many people died of the onset of depression or grief, or even stress like Sima Yue. I hope none of us get know what that’s like
That's a popular Chinese cliche that's given as a reason of death to highlight their devotion to a specific cause or person, or that their failure has shamed them to death. The reality is often less dramatic. They most likely fell ill and died.
@@dinerenblancc To be fair, if you were to led thousands of soldiers to their death and had to watch everything up close, you would probably fell so depressed that dying of guilt and grief wouldn't be so strange.
@@dinerenblancc Although I agree with the idea, is also not rare that someone that is depressed or under severe stress develops a strong illness since the body is not really fighting to stop the illness, I´m not a medic, but if you look for it, you will find what I´m saying in more professional terms.
@@KrafanioBasically the mind decides the war or external danger is more important than a small virus. So the immune system stops getting the signal to keep producing antibodies. As to use the resources to stop a sword to face right now than a virus in two days. This makes the virus, bacteria,etc. more effective and the body has an imbalance creating tumors,cancer,tics ,spams,personality changes
Zhuge Liang is slightly older than Liu Xie, born near the end of 180AD according to some source, while the Emperor was born in 181AD. Though the conspiracy theory is out there, say Zhuge Liang might be the Emperor. And the one left in the palace is a replacement puppet by Cao Cao.
Great video, very humbling that the vast majority of famous generals of the time died not by the sword or old age, but by sickness. It really goes to show how different the world was almost 2000 years ago. I am blessed and thankful to be living in an age where living to 70+ years of age is the norm.
Also worth noting quite a few of them dying of sickness are in the southern climate where, presumably, malaria would have been an endemic danger. It's estimated that malaria has killed -at least half- maybe 5-6% of all of the ~109 billion humans who have ever lived in the history of our species. Pretty sobering thought. Edit: probably should have double checked my sources. still, that's a lotta dead people
@@ylyl1735 sun quan and liu bei may not be a great leader like cao cao. But they had some of the most competent generals in their faction. Like Zhou Yu and Zhuge Liang
@@lhy8373 Just goes to show that the leader plays a huge part. Even skilled generals under bad leaders couldn't do much. Cao Cao once lamented that Guan Yu had everything - courage, skill, respect, honour and fame, but lacked a leader who could really make him excel.
Cao Cao had the best chance of ending the turmoil that was ravaging China and causing massive death tolls and widespread suffering. Then you had Liu Bei using his claim to emperorship as an excuse to war when the Han clearly failed the people. Other leaders were trying to seize their chances and fight for power as well. Horrible time and place to be alive.
@@abad-enoughdude._.3919 Had Liu Bei and Ma Chao stayed loyal to Wei things would have been different The Battle of Red Cliffs would have happen earlier and be a very decisive Wei victory
Zhang yan isnt here cause he just, walked away and lived a peaceful life and died of age, which wasnt recorded, what a man, he just got out of the game before it got to him
O so vast, O so mighty, The Great River rolls to sea, Flowers do waves thrash, Heroes do sands smash, When all the dreams drain, Same are loss and gain. Green mountains remain, Under pink sunsets, Hoary fishers and woodcutters, Along the banks, find calm water, In autumn moon or in spring wind, By the wine jars, fill porcelain. Discuss talk and tale, Only laugh and gale...
I completely forgot that Pang Tong was even in the game, that’s what I get for not playing Liu Bei. Edit: Xu Shu is in the game too? I should really do a Liu Bei campaign.
Xu Shu appears in my Liu Bei campaign after an event to serve me for a year later, to leave me and go to Cao Cao for blackmail. In his description tells he was a great swordsman in his youngness
I really wish there was some sort of trait inheritance system or something. As it is right now, generics inheriting only makes the game significantly less interesting, so I keep timeless on.
Wei Yan really got done dirty. I really don’t think he wanted to rebel. He just wanted to continue in the campaign after Zhuge’s death and he was more than capable to do it.
You honor your dead prime minister's wishes before you put yourself first. As wang ping said, "His Excellency had just died and his body had yet to turn cold, and now you dare to do something like this!"
He literally set the plank roads on fire to prevent the rest of the army returning home while trying to be the first one to send a messenger to the court to claim his loyalty and denounce Yang Yi and the rest of the entire army as rebels. He definitely wanted to rebel, and he put the entirety of the army at risk from being trapped between the Wei forces and no where else to march to in order to try and force their hand. It was a good thing Ma Dai killed him and prevented this from happening.
@@MisterKisk he knew the moment the news zhuge liang's death arrives at chengdu, all officials will force ah dou to retreat the army and to never again resume the expedition even though zhuge liang's will was to continue the duty after him. He would probably divert and build a staging base in the west of mount qi as he offered a plan to ZL before to reroute there. Basically, it's also ZL's own fault for under-using wei yan as he always held him back in the final days. Under-appreciated and always gaslighted by ZL, wei yan really got done dirty. considering the eunuchs opportunity during ZL death. Imagine him and jiang wei cooperate together, Deng ai and guo huai would never even set to invade shu without sima yi always near them.
@@BenRover2961 Zhuge Liang was the one who ordered the army was to retreat once he died and stated that Wei Yan was to be left behind if he refused. Wei Yan was rebelling with the actions he took in order to prevent the army from doing so. It was not Yang Yi or any of the other officials who endangered the entire state by cutting off the army's retreat to Hanzhong (thus putting them at risk of utter destruction if Wei were to actually attack), and they were not the ones to lead men against any other officer of the state. Wei Yan was the one who did that. Nobody sided with Wei Yan in his memorials and even his own retinue did not side with him, and Wei Yan was said to have been quite generous and treated them well. He was a rebel. He was not intending to overthrow Liu Shan or side with Wei or anything like that, but his actions were one of treason. He put the army in danger of destruction. If even his own retinue deserts him because of that, how can anyone say he did not act in rebellion?
It's crazy that reports from both sides agree that Guan Yu practically pointed Yan Liang out from a group of soldiers and said "Head gimme" and then fucking did it.
Nuance is important as well. He killed a local bully that wouldn't stop, well, being a bully. And it was an accident. Considering how little it was used against him later in life it's clear it was nothing more than that.
It's so strange that I feel such a connection with all these people that died thousands of years ago all because of The Romance of The Three Kingdoms, Guan Yu deserved better
Some people rumored Guan Yu to be a man of Heavens since 3 years into his death, many famous characters also died accordingly. It is believed he "took: them with him.
There’s a story I think maybe from the Romance itself where the ghost of Guan Yu possesses and kills Lu Meng then haunts Cao Cao. He’s called out on it by some spirit I think and then makes peace with having died. Kinda shit for Lu Meng though, guy was just serving his lord and avenging his friend.
@@ShaunTripp He gets a lot of hate because he went through with the vile actions of wu but when capturing jing he showed mercy to many soldiers working for guan yu/not harming their families/not raping them or plundering the cities and killed some of his men who not unlike guan yu took away supplies from locals by force.
Here in Vietnam, Shi Xie is considered one of the few recorded Chinese governor who was well respected by local Vietnamese, it was also in his time that the first vietnameses were accepted to work as government officials. In fact, and there are still temples venerating him today and some later historians even coined him as "King Shi".
4:51 (Guan Yu cuts down Yan Liang) Yan Liang: "R-ridiculuous, to be killed by someone like you" Guan Yu: "You seem to have gotten caught up in your own abilites" "I, Guan Yu, have defeated the enemy officer, Yan Liang!" 5:01 Wen Chou: "feel the pain of Yan Liang. PREPARE YOURSELF" (Guan Yu cuts down Wen Chou) Guan Yu: " Personal spite only leads to violence. I cannot allow my honor to be tainted so" (Wen Chou falls from his horse)
There was also an element of "I wasn't at fault, I just wasn't advised correctly" in what Cao Cao said. Like in one of the TV series, Xun Yu commented that Cao Cao "knows the mistake, fixes the mistake, but never admits making the mistake". Guo Jia was brilliant before his death but there was no guarantee that Cao Cao would have listened to him had he been alive.
Eh, many people give Ma Chao crap for fighting Cao Cao, however honestly does anyone think that Cao Cao was being honest when he told them that he was just going to march his massive army through their lands to take Han Zhong? If Ma Chao did nothing he would have been easily beaten my Cao Cao, at least by attacking first he stood a chance. As history showed us his chance was not much :-p
Poor Sun Quan, probably my favorite of the three kingdoms, must suck seeing all your friends and comrades go before you do. Doesn't help that the later part of his reign he makes some ill advised choices. My favorite nonetheless.
I just find his life interesting as he inherited wu relatively young, with the help of able generals and ministers he built a empire, even if he himself was not the greatest general or the smartest official, he seemed to understand that talent was important and seemed to almost find the right person for the job, he listened to his advisors for the most part and managed to build up the southern lands. Despite his disastrous defeats when he himself was out on the field, and the fact that he was kinda a crazed bumbling alcoholic near the end of his reign, he still remains my favorite Three kingdoms character.
Sun Quan feels the most ‘real’ out of the leaders of the time. He also imo had a huge amount of PTSD and honestly possibly dementia with how he acted towards the end.
Not only friend and Comrades. But his siblings as well. If my memories were right he is the 2nd child from all Sun Jian's children. But here the sad part, He's the only one who died because of natural cause or sickness. The other is either die young, die on battle, killed because some conspiracy etc. None of his legitimate siblings live as long as him. He's the only one who survived and passed on the age 70. Imagine, as the 2nd child and all of your younger siblings didn't even alive on your deathbed. Some said he start to become a little bit mad, that is why the later part of his reign he makes some ill advised choices.
@@rizalalbar His two younger brothers died around 20 (a fun fact that he actually outlived the lives of the sum of his big brother and two younger brothers
Xu Shu, i believe, has one of the most tragic story. You can only wonder what if he decided to not visit his mother at Xuchang and stay as Liu Bei's strategist. You cannot use hindsight since any filial son would have any reason to visit their parents (he can be a frontline strategist while Zhuge Liang focuses on internal affairs as a statesman)
If I recall correctly, that's just the Romance version. The real history has him just leaving Liu Bei out of dissatisfaction and disillusionment from his cause and he serves Cao Cao instead.
@@Torag55No, the Romance story about Xu Shu was supported by the two main historical books about the era: San Guo Zhi and Zhi Zhi Tong Jian. Only the mother suicide part was not true.
fa zheng died before the wu shu campaign, a right i remember again. thats when kong ming commented: if fazheng would still be alive, liu bei would not have gone for wu. (it was fa zheng who conviced liu to take the lands of shu, something kongming was not able to do) thats why fa zheng is said to me liu´s most trusted advisor
What a coincidence, I was listening to Zi De Guqin Studio depiction of Zhuge Liang soundtrack these past few days. Didn't expect to hear it on this channel (maybe I should have considering the content on this channel). I personally find the music to be very fitting. Not that I'm an expert in music, but I could always feel the unfulfilled promises and ambitions of Zhuge Liang behind the strings. Which is very fitting for a video describing the deaths of numerous figures who couldn't see their dreams to the end or even witness the conclusion of an era they have contributed with blood. Except Sima Yi, probably celebrating his victory over the three kingdoms, for only 2 generations.
Hey Trivia, discovered your channel a few weeks ago. As a history grad myself, really awesome to see someone take a deeper look into the game. Love the content, keep it up!
Sickness should be the next feature of this game, but optional. As everyone would not be happy when they finally get Lu Bu after he's killed 2000 of their troops but he dies from a cough.
Makes me think that sickness/plague should be a mechanic in the campaigns. Would affect provinces more the more populated they are, generals, etc. would at least appreciate something like this for Records. Alas, if only records was more fleshed out.
It's there, but it doesn't really do much. Just reduces a besieged city's food supply by event. Then it's just gone once the city is captured or the siege broken. Shame. I like your idea. It reminds me of the sanitation mechanic in Attila, as the squalor from buildings and city can eventually give way to diseases that affect both the city and the armies in vicinity.
So Ma Yingjiu’s family claims to be related to Ma Yuan who was a famous Han general. And Ma Chao’s branch also claims to be related to Ma Yuan. But Ma Chao’s branch were from Liang Province and Ma Yingjiu’s ancestors were a branch from the Hunan (think Changsha area) so they might be related or trace to a common ancestor say 2000 years ago but they were not descendants of each other
Impossible to trace, Ma is a very common surname throughout China with dozens of origins, and most Chinese clan books are unreliable and have done some fabrications during Ming and Qing dynasties to glorify their ancestral roots
Thanks dude, enjoyed this. I have played a lot of dynasty warriors, so knew how some died, but it is always interesting to see the difference between the historical record and romance record, which you highlighted and made clear. I have wandered if a studio like HBO, would do a show on the 3K period, similar to GOT....... content for days!!!!
Immortal Zhang Yan, he is one with the Yellow Turbans and deep in the Black Mountain For real though, he's quite a sneak in barely getting past Lu Bu's killstreak during his service with Yuan Shao
Thanks you SO MUCH, my friend, for this. One of the most romanticised periods of the history of your country, which you bring to us every day through your 3K campaigns and your Let's Talk Lore series. A great attribute from you. Have a nice time, mate, stay safe and may one day I should be honoured to see you here in Greece, to stay for a while and exchange experiences and historical facts from all the periods of the history of our two countries.
I thought Liu Bei died from depression not from natural causes considering how his two brothers haddied and his campaign against Wu failing spectacularly.
I mean it contributed but he didn’t die right away after the defeat and had a year or so before dying. He even signed a peace deal with Sun Quan during that time so I don’t think depression is the best term
@@SeriousTrivia I thought one of the main reason he got depressed and died was because he caused his own expedition army to be 全军覆没. Since he set up his camp surrounded by a forest, and the enemy literally set the forest and the entire camp on fire.
I loved this videos so much, the song, the info on these characters and the poetics on Xiahou Dun, whom I really like btw. Edit: Really hope to see more like these in the future and thanks for such a beautiful video.
All the deaths to depression makes me want to point out. Mental health is serious, as somebody who's suffered with related issues for over a decades, I got to say this. Never be afraid to ask for help and support. You do matter.
Not surprising from a man who read The Art of War, wrote his own commentary on it, and made it his MO in the battlefield and in the Wei court. Which in hindsight actually means that Cao Cao's playstyle requires you to know The Art of War and apply those lessons as you play.
Three kings no more-Chenliu, Guiming, Anle. The fiefs and posts must now be filled anew. The world's affairs rush on, an endless stream; A sky-told fate, infinite in reach, dooms all. The kingdoms three are now the stuff of dream, For men to ponder, past all praise or blame.
Do you have a list of characters that joined certain factions? There's a ton of generals to hire and its hard to tell who really was with who. Besides the obvious ones, the minor characters are hard to tell. I hope the sequel has a lot more events like the Zhao Yun or Zhuge Liang events where you get characters based on a specific timeframe or event. That might be a great lore series, go through the factions and talk about the notable characters and what they're known for, maybe in either a timeline order or hierarchy of rank or importance.
If there’s two things I’ve learnt from all of this, one, sickness was a monster to these men, and secondly, don’t piss off cao cao.... if he says work for him, just work for him xD
