When Did Warcraft Become Boring? 

There are also furries.

This is so true... It's sad how this badass game became so gay

Tumblr game devs have poisoned the well.

What happens when you force calipedo american modern ideologies into warcraft:

@@wisp6826 There have always been furries, furries can just as much enjoy blood, guts and all that other shit.

An exploration sandbox mmorpg that got turned into Disney Land sadly

I wonder why that could be??? 🤔🤔🤔

Honestly WoW has always been kinda boring, what made it fun a decade ago, was the communities you built around raiding or PVP. Now it just doesn't have the same energy.

That's not fair.... Daytime soap operas have better writers who are paid better.

@@joe77andino its always been disneyland, you just see the fiberglass now.

I remember how people complained about Alexstrasza and took it as a rape fantasy or something like that when you got the quest in Dragonflight and people took it as of bad taste. To me it was, bad people (orcs) got the hang out of a female dragon and they use her to get an army of dragons because that was what they wanted for their army and pursue of power. It's ok for her character to feel bad about that in the current expansion? Obviously, but it's a reason to change and retcon the lore? Na, but that's what a past event is in Dragonflight. The amount of atrocities that ocurred in the story that are a part of war in the universe of warcraft is a lot, and it sucks that the game isn't like that anymore trying to be soft and correct in every corner.

@@Kanamon22 my only issue with it was that i had 0 faith in blizz to actually tell that part well considering thier uh....track record. also the ' lets not tell alextraza about this' trying to play it off as a hah hah thing wasn't great.

​@@Kanamon22 That came to my mind when I saw her vomit life magic in the cinematic Asmong played. I remembered that she was once chained down by the Horde and used to spawn dragons for war. Dragons that spewed flame and torched green landscapes, not turn arid terrain green. Now you mention it, I suppose that means they forced her to mate. Don't know that I ever thought about that. I've no idea how this comes up in Dragonflight.

@@Kanamon22 the only mention is on the quest of Duroz Scaletaker “ they’re making me medicine and they don’t know”. W about Alextrasza? If you’re not going to kill the orcs outright give them a debuff or setback their reputation to Hated or something

⁠​⁠@@saphojuiced6243 tbh i don’t see an issue with her turning arid terrain green considering she’s the aspect of life. I do however have an issue with her having been enslaved by nekros being retconned

Ironic thing is MLP _did_ have its fair share of dark moments.

@@LuznoLindo true true

Even MLP takes less its public like childrens.

​@@LuznoLindo also the ponies were not afraid of throw hooves when was needed

How is it paw patrol-esc? The Blue Dragonflight is finally having a proper future for the first time in lord knows how long. That goes with the Dragons in general. Let them have their happy ending. Besides, the Frozen Throne was during the rise of the Lich King. Dragonflight is like...3 years post Jailer 😭

​@@preds43You're so cooked I can smell the smoke.

@@TheBaconShaman Ofc the mf named "Bacon Shaman" is talking about cooking L:MAOOOO

​@@preds43🍿🍿🍿🍿

XIV still has this problem, and an even worse part of it is the "great community" which are literally paw patrol pansies. Game content aside, you still can't escape this modern softness. It's really quite sad that the MMO genre has devolved into attracting these kind of people.

blizzard died when it was bought by activision, then sold to microsoft.

@@bloodred255 thats crazy because they just set a record for sales

@@mahatmasloth6543 Pretty sure McDonald's is also doing fine yet i doubt it beats mom's cooking does it?

@@mahatmasloth6543 Imagine thinking a mega corporation making money is a sign of quality. Yo breath smells like 🥾

@@mahatmasloth6543 I think he means the soul of it died, not that it has 0 players now.

The last "deep lore" expansion was MoP, after that it was just recycled surface level bs. WoD could've been the best xpack, but they messed it up, then Legion was absolute trash until .3, which people really really forget how shit Legion was until the very last patch.

Also “of blood and honor” which is the story that Asmongold was referencing. Literally Fording telling the Silver Hand to fk off because they wanted to execute Eitrigg w/o trial. We lorefags remember

The old stories were simply told but had substance. The new stuff lacks substance.

I probably learned more lore reading that than I did playing wow for a long, long time. Think I had over a year online on my tank in TBC alone

And not to mention they were relatable on some level. Everyone can relate to some sort of love triangle or a disagreement with parents or not getting along with a sibling despite trying. You might not agree with what Arthas did but you could understand him and his reasoning on some level. All this shit now is so far gone that I can’t relate at all and because I can’t relate I don’t care about them or their stories.

"And so we did." who wrote that crap. There is 15 year old edge lords that can write better than this.

and then it continues with the unsent letter chain revealing the stormwind conspiracy which ends near level 30!!

I mean let's not pretend like that was the height of torytelling -- it was just leagues better than the horseshit we get now

> It doesn't force it down your throat like a themepark of cutscenes. I see you're familiar with ff14 xD

No man, it ends at max level, killing Onyxia/clearing Blackwing Lair. All this ruckus was connected with noble corruption which was caused also by Katrina Prestor (Onyxia in disguise). She made it so Stonemasons didn't get paid, interrupted some Westfall reinforcements, supported rebels from the side. She was connected to Marshal Windsor's abduction and so on. We didn't stop at Deadmines, there was more to Stormwind's corruption.

@@dudda5000 and then the conspiracy and "incompetence" lead to katrana prestor aka onyxia, shit was cool

That's the story of the U.S, not just of this company.

I think this is true of nearly every long lived company in gaming now. They all get bought out and/or infiltrated, and then the new team exploits the positive name recognition earned by the old guard to scam us with trash games for as long they can get away with. I know everyone eats their ass and I'm not saying anything original here, but From Software are genuinely the only company I can think of off the top of my head who've been around for a long time that haven't compromised themselves yet. There are probably more, but none that I can think of easily.

The skinwalkers are amongst us and now they're rotting through

@@kyslippy AMONG US?! SUS

Thats why we must abandon them. And join our own efforts. Private servers

To be correct, she was his concubine and not his daughter. But yes, Warcraft now misses moments like this, its all soft in tone, touchy feelings, no character has an ounce of testosterone left.

True

100%

Warcraft three had character soap interaction. It had likeable and dislikable characters with flaws. You're 100% right. It's just tone.

It’s also super gay now

So true, legion had faction unity, with the underlying tension and conflicts under the grand scheme of things, with class hall quests peppering the conflicts via NPC interactions. It's balanced.

So..........even Azeroth is being taken over the W.E.F.?!

but unfortunately we arent

​@@KingMickeyMouseOoOthey have penetrated the cabinets

The goblins are putting chemicals in wellspring lake to turn the long jaw mud snappers gay

2024 updates: You will own no items and will not be happy.

Exactly. "We're vikings. It's an occupational hazard."

It is sad when you compare the depth of the scenes to the... anime that WoW is right now. BfA had some great cinematics, and they weren't anime. They need to go back to using WoD, Legion, and BfA style or just darken the entire tone of their cinematics. The War Within looks good. I would like to see how they flesh that out. It would be *perfect* to kill off Anduin. Not that I dislike Anduin, but our main characters literally never die. They just run circles around one another.

@@corbin_4738 yea and make Turalyon usurp the throne to wage war against the horde in the name of the light (Garrosh 2.0)

@@YA-kr4fr But that doesn't make sense. And it didn't make sense in BfA because by that point both sides had come together against a common enemy too often and didn't have anything to fight each other over anymore. The problem started when they added the Blood Elves to the Horde even though the Blood Elves would also want to kill the orcs and trolls because they are foreign invaders who don't belong on Azeroth. The moment they stopped acknowledging this is the moment they lost any reason for the Horde and Alliance to want to fight each other.

This, with this on the side and this on top. This.

@warmasterofchaossometimes yes and sometimes not. They changed some and my guess is they missed some.

Well the dev team is nothing but fruitcakes now so it makes sense.

They made the game family friendly as soon as they removed Garrosh calling Sylvanas a bitch after some dude complained about his son playing the game and hearing it

​@skidaddleskidoodle1103 meanwhile in FFXIV they won't hesitate to use the word.

If only they'd have Vin Diesel saying it, it'd have meaning. Oh, and he could say "we live life a quarter of a mile at a time...."

@@MegaDarkness5000 wut u talking about, ff14 story was all about the power of friendship 😂 shadowbringer was peak, hopefully the dip in story quality in endwalker is temporary and the new expac is better

have you seen the classic wow players? they play like they're 6

Old night elves: the vietkong New night elves: hippies and vegans

Likewise. That was the whole attraction for me originally. They weren't just wood elves. It was like a wood elf/dark elf mix, and it worked.

Not only that but they couldn't even give them vengeance. It all became about "renewal" and "Don't look back in anger at the near genocide." ... wait that sounds too much like what they say about real tragedies these days "don't look back in anger."

Malfuruion showed peace of old nelves in his BFA cutscene.... Scary, deadly and absolutely badass.

They were hippies even in W3. Well the druids were. The rest were just dumb. And to lose to orcs and humans despite being 5,000 years old, shameful.

I wasn't reading the WoW forums, but the consensus I got from people I was playing with while playing BfA was - before BfA dropped - people were hyped to get back to Alliance vs Horde(though we should probably do something about that sword Sargeras stabbed into Azeroth first...), but the presentation was horribly disconnected, it was massively driven by the most insane, least logical version of Sylvanas we'd ever seen(a character that had already been insane and illogical since she was first raised as a banshee, more or less), there were 25 different stories going on at the same time, and then we got the kicker at the end that it was a bait and switch; the Battle for Azeroth was never between the Alliance and the Horde, but two years of garbage to retcon the entirety of Warcraft lore into Zovaal's story in Shadowlands - even going so far as advertising Shadowlands as the "final chapter" of WC3... then the expansion turning out so bad that the majority of the events that happened in it are completely ignored and wiped from memory, just like WoD.

@@Unregistered.HyperCam.2 Ok I do agree with this, but on the other hand you said it yourself. Sylvanas has been illogical and irrational since the very beginning of her introduction as a forgotten. So her continuing being irrational makes kind of .....sense? Doesn't mean that I think it's a good premise and everything and honestly, I wish they'd have never included Shadowlands the way they did. Because now we will get bs like the "short-term" revival of Ysera to fill the plot....

This

Hired to many Bronies or adults who watch Bluey by themself

Because it's all leftist activists. They have no creativity. Only trying to force their worldview down people's throats in every medium they can.

Honestly, the opening cinematic is to date the worst WoW cinematic I have ever seen.

You know their storytelling is cooked when “Hmmm that thing Raszageth is making an awful amount of sense”

Why does fantasy have to represent the modern world, or our reality at all? It just doesn't make sense, it's all a nonsense.

Even some of the stuff I had sitting around as ideas back then years ago were miles better than what's out for Warcraft right now, at least for pre-WoW (or even set during WoW but with Wc3 game mechanics). Heck, one of them even involved a Burning Legion Agent (one of Tichondrius' to be exact) doing work to set up the Invasion of Kalimdor and Felwood's corruption (and getting into conflict with a fellow agent; don't you love when bad guys get into scuffles with each other?). Because frankly, the setting is called WAR-Craft, and not LOVE-Craft.

Daelin Proudmoor was right all along.

@@jamespadgett8660 Kind of funny that Daelin and Garithos were proven completely right by Wow's story while the writers wanted them to be completely wrong.

Daelin Proudmoore did not lose his shit . He saw his eldest son burned to a crisp by dragon riding orcs . Vengeance for the sake of a loved one is not madness

So *that's* what Sylvanas' blight was doing...

Considering there is actually 2 gay frogs in Dragonflight... yeah

Did they? I thought it was the Titan's that turned the dragons AND frogs gay? If you look into the aqueducts you will find the frogs. Alex was right!

@@arlisongbird9386 considering they put an entire playable race into DF that revolves around fINdIng youR OwN idENtity ... jeah x2

Yup it’s the blue hair liberals they decided to hire

The latter of which is actually a game now.

Butters was a visionary

More like, "here you go, some simplified skills mechanics, the class teaching is gone, and the combat is boring, have fun with the cosmetics filth".

​@@hachijospaniard5643Totally right, but the simplicity of combat/the world/basically anything in this game is what makes it beautiful. Ever chopped wood with an axe IRL? It's so simple, yet rewarding.

@@hachijospaniard5643bet money you’ve never killed KT in classic

Gives me chills every time I watch it that and the Wotlk reveal cinematic

"Times change!" - Garrosh Hellscream

SOOOOO TRUUUUE!

You forgot the most important part: "NOW GO, LEAVE THIS GAME, AND NEVER RETURN!"

lich king is the most overhyped lore in warcraft . try reading it. it sucks :p

@@skatarin1690 well thats the point asmon was making we ddinte carre about the lore but the little we knew it about made it sooooooooo hype the lich king cinematique mannnnnnnnnnnnn

​@@skatarin1690It's badass as fuck though. Why would I read it anyway, it's a fucking game

If it hasn't fallen it's on the brink with the female custodes shit.

@@MightOfChrist that's the unfortunate reality and best advice I can give is just don't get too attached to any media because at some point it will get corrupted by you-know-whos.

Oh no, women in gaming 😮

@@newguyiswinning noone had any problem with adepta sororitas, what's your point?

@@MatjeBalovichman doesn’t know the nuns with guns is loved by the entire community n we still starving for lore that could’ve went to them instead of the custodes

Actual gaslighting

@@gonefishing9781truth

Shadowlands.

a Warcraft 3 purist WoW would be nice with 4 starting factions Alliance: Stormwindian Human, Gnome, Bronzebeard Dwarf, High Elf Horde: Orc, Darkspear Troll, Tauren, Ogre Forsaken: Undead Human, Undead Elf, Alteraci Human, Blood Elf Sentinels: Night Elf, Furbolg, Cenarius' Children, Dark Troll

@@DavidGlendaleArdenaso Gnomes are tr**, bro, so no.

Just a dream, we got punshed by garrosh for helping anduin in a quest, waking up now.. totaly war like Cata/Mop.

​@@DavidGlendaleArdenasoAgreed. They shouldn't all be crammed into 2 factions. Like whose idea was to put the undead (forsaken) in the horde? The horde must be made up of orcs, trolls and tauren tops, no fucking blood elves and undead. It makes no fucking sense. I am saying this as an alliance player.

God, that original Footman drip was unmatched.....

when i was a kid my fav units in wc3 was the footman. they just looked badass and the voice actor for them in the german version sounded cool too, just a badass knight going up against orcs and the undead. and yes,, the warfront set is badass.

it was badass the first time but making it a habit is a little too much

This was cool.... but as an echo of what "could have been" if Azeroth hadn't fallen to war and genocide for generations. It was a very unique situation in legion and it was creative, at the time... I remember my friends and I all gasping and going ARE WE GOING TO ALL FIGHT THIS TOGETHER?!.... Now the dividing line of Horde and Alliance has become so thin that they might as well just make it non-faction based and you can play who you want, with whoever you want. It's just so far gone now.

Those are INHERENTLY different groups with different world views, them teaming up should've been only happening during legion. Kind of like the Allies teamed up with USSR to take down Germany

@@SleepingForestGaming It was only "cool" because it was meant to be a 1 time thing, never again. Now they do that bullshit ever expansion. It completely undermines the role of Thrall and Jaina as skilled diplomats.

I don't mind them teaming up for a common cause, but them ACTUALLY teaming up Is just like..wtf?? Like nah there's no way they'd actually be allies like that 😂😂😂 I also heard guilds will be able to be cross faction now both alliance and horde. Just such a dumb ass thing. I was considering coming back to WoW last year but I'm good now LOL

its a retcon of a retcone tho, half of 40k lore is a retcon at this point lol

​@@wapniak666the problem isn't that there is a retcon, it's why they're doing it and how

@@BoredMarcus why is because money, it's GW afterall How, it's as bad as always Good thing about warhammer is that is soo full of shitty lore than you can ignore stuff that you don't like

@@wapniak666i would believe that but companies have stayed losing millions for going woke. So what exactly are they doing it for? Esg ratings have destroyed modern media aka 🇮🇱

Oh no, women in 40k!! 😮

Right, we were never told what would happen if Fyrakk was able to claim Amirdrassil as his own. Oh but wait, we were. He would've used it to destroy the world, just like Archimonde planned to do with Hyjal. I don't think anyone here actually plays WoW anymore, you just lurk in your basements and whine about how "WoW is woke now" just because the faction war's gone, and the lore dares to try to be a smidge more inclusive. There are still factional tensions, it's just not about the Alliance and Horde directly anymore. Because that concept was sucked dry by the end of Wrath, it made no sense that we were competing with the opposite faction to kill Arthas first. Imagine if Lord of the Rings ended with each of the Free Peoples separately competing to be the ones to destroy the Ring and kill Sauron. He would've wiped them all out. And that's how stupid the faction war has looked ever since we faced extinction at the hands of an enemy that could convert every slain soldier into his forces, regardless of how they died.

@@Mister_Vyar how many world ending threats end up being hollow and empty because a group of 10/25 rag tag heroes just show up and slap the bad guy down, then are forgotten so Varian/Thrall/Jaina/etc can take the credit.

"The Light-AAAAARGHHHH" -The Ashbringer

It's because if you lose, you get participation medal too, so they stopped the storytelling that values victory at all costs, they want to include all races and genders so we can all have fun together and nobody gets hurts, it's no longer warcraft, it's communitycraft.

@@Mister_Vyar You a funny guy tbh. I never put forth anything related to politics and you put words in my mouth to attack a point that doesn't exist. Point 1: At what point did I say anything about faction conflict? Never said anything remotely close about reigniting the faction war. Point 2: At what point did I say anything about WoW being woke? I said glorified therapy sessions so I dunno if you misconstrued that with being left leaning which would be hilarious if that's the case. Point 3: At what point in the cinematics was it made EXPLICITLY clear that Fyrakk would use the world tree the exact same way Archimonde did? Was it hidden behind the wall of texts that 90% of people don't actually read? Was it on a throwaway dialogue mentioned once or twice? Please do tell me. Point 4: It's funny how you'll resort to ad hominems and label people criticizing the game as whiny basement dwellers(kinda ends up looking like you're projecting) when in reality their criticisms regarding the story are well founded when you compare the popularity of the story in modern WoW to the popularity of the story of WoW in the past. Point 5: You're right actually I don't play WoW anymore. I quit after SL and when I found the systems and story telling in other MMOs much more appealing me and thousands of others realized just how much WoW was missing the whole damn time. Point 6: If you are defending the story of Dragonflight something tells me you're part of the audience that modern blizzard appeals to nowadays that will eat whatever shit content they're fed and say thank you while getting fed garbage.

_Hasbro_ toys? Ouch...

Current Hasbro toys at that.

Good luck finding any non-ESG funding.

@@lorecow88 I'm probably stupid but what the hell is esg? I goggled it and games, and it just looks like some company that made a lot of pretty generic mobile looking games. So I"m confused.

I can't remember what the exact acronym stands for, but it's essentially your anti white and anti heterosexual score. The less of those two things your product is, the more funding you get. If that's sounds rarded, it's because it is.

@@jamespadgett8660 Huh guess maybe they funded forspoken then. Can't think of any other games, as I've played a lot of the more 'controversial' games in recent memory and none seemed like a game they would of funded

@@luxnoriaEnvironmental, Social, and Government Score. It's a score for investors to determine a company's commitment to these three standards, to determine its sustainability by way of ethical perception. Or, in layman's terms: Instead of making a good product and making bank off selling a product to a customer, a company will kowtow to what is currently perceived as popular in those three sectors(environment, society, government) - all of which vary from region to region, and can change at the drop of a dime - to attract investors and get kickbacks.

I mostly dislike chosen one plots in normal RPGs, but they make even less sense to me in an MMO where you're playing with thousands of other people all doing the same things. I'm not an MMO player, but I think if I was my ideal scenario there would be playing a character who just fits in as a normal part of the world. Like obviously you're always gonna be stronger than the NPCs, but at least try to pass it off like the players are a normal part of the world. Or if you're gonna do the chosen one thing, do it like Morrowind or Divinity Original Sin 2. In those games the player is potentially the "chosen one", but there are actually an untold number of other "chosen ones" who could equally complete the task. So you're special compared to most NPCs, but you're far from the only one.

"Chosen one" isn't wrong as there many successful games with chosen one theme however... the way Blizzard developed their character and existing faction is just not it.. they fail at something that is crucial to make "chosen one" plot work well. Somehow Warcraft "Champion" are drifting between chosen one and bring random elite NPC while the real main characters are somehow got hurt by the "chosen one" player part of the lore make them less important and not interesting as it should be. Original WoW have player nerd out loud when they see their favorite character from W3 and now Blizzard destroyed half of that characters

I fucking love Warhammer fantasy lore.

@@mickbotcast i miss it, when we were just one of the many random heroes supporting a faction.

retail is about end game, after 20 years no one wants to have challenging leveling content, people done it dozens of time and just want to play their alt on max lvl

@@wapniak666 Sorry just raiding is boring some ppl dont like to wipe on the same boss for 3 hours

@@haishish4967 ok so maybe mmos are not for you? how many times can you play classic leveling experience and not get bored? especially as classic class desing is sooo bland i would rather play retail leveling than classic simply because at least something is happening and im not stuck using frostbolt for 50 levels

@@wapniak666 braw trying to say mmo are not for me just cuz i dont want to spend 3 hours on a boss lmao go look at ff players its nowhere as long fights. At least classic has a good story and the world feels alive retail is dogwater story

@@haishish4967 classic has no story FF is completely different game If you want easy raid then you have LFR on retail, a bit harder than classic raids

The cartoony look was always my biggest turn off to the game. I know style is an opinion, so I get the people who loved/love WOW. It's also why I never got into Champions online. Certain cartoony animation is just not my thing.

And it ends up appealing to no one.

@@bl8388 I understand your preferences, because it's the same reason I could never get into asian MMOs, but even if WoW has always had a cartoony look, it used to be a lot darker and grittier than what we have now. Now everyone is smooth, round, and overly emoted. Back in the day, it was a heavy metal cartoon kind of.

I was told before WoW even existed that Palpatine kept clones of himself so that he could transfer his essence into them. Apparently in one of the books or something a long time ago - I never read them. A friend told me, but that was ... maybe back when EQ was the primary MMO.

I don't think it needs a happy ending necessarily, but I do think it needs an end. We have had so many expansions of back and forth war (of usually the same groups) or "fight the current big bad guy". If the story is always Horde vs. Alliance back and forth forever, then why care who is winning or even fighting? The problem is also that people don't care for the "peaceful" alterative either. That is just boring for an MMO. They just need to bring the story to a close, but make it inherently cool and fun along the way. Or come up with something that isn't Horde vs. Alliance or another big bad guy, and especially not a bunch of passive characters.

​​@@keithbassett007i dont think they need to bring the story to a close. I think they just need to end it. What would be a better way for the world of WARcraft to end than the bad guy winning, destroying the entire alliance and horde factions; and the servers going offline. I cant eemember his name but i think the big swirly demon guy from BC would be perfect to bring back and he actually wins. What if it turns out he was "mind controlling" alld the players and we were really working for HIM the entire time? Id rather it be some epic battle and cliffhanger than a closure and a succint ending. Just like the ultimate end to a war, i think the only true way to end it is for all the PC's to "die" canonically and no more expansions after that.

@@keithbassett007they could use the warhammer treatment. If there are more races like main big races u can have WARS with then u can keep ur WARS and fun characters. But its just child ish alliances vs horde. Breaking up the alliances won’t really work cause their now way to connect and established. Some may go alone but yea to forced. I don’t see humans, dwarfs and gnomes break their to well connected. Horde was always bit fragile except maybe orc and tauren maybe goblins but their more mercenary type of people i think. Whatever this ip suffers from staying alive to long making it bloated u run out of space gods to kill. Idc about any big bad god or light, dark whatever color is the hype. Reason i now like warhammer fantasy so much more now yes yes.

Disney Syndrome.

@@whenimmanicimgodly4228 Honestly the idea of the bad guy winning and shutting down the servers is cool. I would be cool with that. I just think the theme of Alliance vs Horde or "big bad guy" is stale at this point in this game. Either revamp it or end it.

It was made for the audiance wich was 99% males, now they trying to make it 50/50 but the divice is no more than 80/20 probably.

This reminds me of the words from the yakuza game director, Masayoshi Yokoyama. About how the yakuza game series's target audience is Japanese males and how over the years it has gained an audience of westerners as well, because they are attracted to the japanese aspects of the game. Trying to cater to the new western audience will only alienate the current western audience who likes the game series because of its japanese aspects.

Honestly it's just a trend for everything. They want to emasculate males as females are much better consumers. Any guy you see chasing status beyond money and power is just a on that train.

​@@torum6448 This is such a great point

Definitely plays a role in it. That, and the desire to not offend anyone at any cost.

Pretty much, World of Warcraft into World of Dragon Tales (1999 TV Show)

Those og developers were the ones sexually harassing women bro.

@@blacksunshine9995 Yup, incels make great games lol

@@blacksunshine9995 but what is a woman, "bro"?

It all started when universities started offering game development courses and the barrier to entry became much lower with engines like Unity and GameMaker Studio. In my experience, chads go into computer sci, engineering or other STEM subjects and the weirdos go into video games since they're not good at anything else. This has led to the gaming industry becoming dominated by weak, stupid people, whereas, for the first 20 years of the industry, gaming was dominated by genius mathematicians and computer engineers since they were the only people talented enough to make games.

The way they ended Arthas's story was very symbolic of how the writers of WoW wanted to move towards their new themes.

i knew it all went to shit when i found out muradin wasn't actually dead but instead had amnesia, less of an impact when arthas threw away his advice

I enjoyed the OG WoW trilogy a lot, but what they did to the Night Elves bothered me something fierce. I rolled Horde as my first characters and they were all fairly faithful to W3 (especially the Forsaken being unapolagetic evil bastards) but the NElves were watered down so much from the fierce almost barbaric people they were in W3.

​@@Staz Oh, yeah every damn dead character, that had a big role in wc3 and died, coming back so you can turn them into a bossfight annoyed me too. Basically invalidated a lot of the drama wc3 had.

"i am not this person anymore" dude you never were you were mind controlled....forcing emotions

Yea i dipped out a bit before that because i was tired of having to run fucking RAIDS for Wpvp gear. Was rediculous. I want to play pvp not pve all pvp gear should come from pvp 😂😂

respect that you could hold that long. I stopped in Cata. Tried 2 times later with other expansions but just for a month

@@whenimmanicimgodly4228 what pvp gear came from a raid? lol

@@whenimmanicimgodly4228 doing pve to get gear for pvp was always a thing

@jointser1008 bruh, no it wasnt 😂😂😂 I literally remember the patch it was added and we had full guilf discussions and training going on before it went into effect because of it. Bffr man

Well they also hired a bunch of people during shadowlands and cleared house... seems the hiring was of the rainbow type.

exactly, i started game at Mists of Pandaria xpack and whenever i see Lich king zones or even Cata zones i never been before it gives such feeling this feeling "oh wow this is Warcraft!".

But the majority of people are just nostalgic boomers

@@katanaswing3082 they are definitely not majority anymore, most of "nostalgic boomers" quit the game meanwhile subscription numbers shows how many new furries/disney millenial joined to community. My point is you don't need nostalgia to enjoy/realise game in totally diffrent tone, which sucks.

wows story was always boring, from day one. it was hyper generic fantasy, the lore was good, but the storytelling wasnt. Lore and Story are not the same thing. You might have tasty carrots and potatoes but if you dont know how to cook, they will never become a stew.

Yea. They used to hire acrual like legit AUTHORS to comr and write lore for them. Now they dont, and you can tell.

​@@Shiirowi fundamentally disagree. If you actually paid attention snd read the quests and saw what you were doing in vanilla throufh MoP it was very good lore, good story telling- but was never the full story just a segment of one. The books gave the rest of the context.

@@Shiirow it was only boring if you didn't pay attention to it, read stuff, and actually care. The WoW lore is some of the most interesting lore in any gaming franchise IMO but they ruined it when MoP and BCpt2 finished

As a furry myself I disagree with this statement, if these people were use to Rping at all the stories would of been better. These people are just the writing version of that "game journalist" that played cup head or the other that played doom. They are people who's talent is 'probably' else where hired on for a writing role to most likely save money. Hell they probably just called in the janitor one day and asked them to write the story dragonflight.

The only thing you need to know is that it went from Metal AF to Disney play house happy unicorn melody time.

@@soulextracter But only recently tbh. even shadowlands wasn't like that

At that point, that's not anduin though, you are describing a completely different character

@@jorgetinoco3574 I completely disagree. It's what makes sense for an Anduin that has grown as a stronger lead which the game itself has shown. It's not denying that emotional side at all, it would still be clearly shown in a slightly more subtle way. Instead of showing that bit of weakness to Thrall, it's him trying to suppress it although clearly his demeanor is breaking with the more subtle hand shaking gripping his blade or his expression able to show he is wavering a bit trying to keep it together. You can't look at something like BFA Anduin and tell me that what we got isn't a regression in his character rather then one who has grown as the story is attempting to push him towards.

i mean tbc and especially classic had basically no lore

@@wapniak666 They had a ton of lore if you read the quests. But the devs lacked the ability to do anything more with their game given the inexperience, system restraints (WoW had to work on the potato pcs of the time), and inexperience with the tools of the engine.

@@GeorgeMonet >They had a ton of lore if you read the quests i mean sure individual quests had some lore/story tied to them but almost nothing was connected or made sense as a whole some quests were longer and had a bit more going on but these stories never went anywhere pretty much everything exist in a vacuum Tbc was a bit better with that as we had an overarching story for entire expansion

Its better like that to me, played classic era when I was a kid and liked a lot. Today I just want to chill and do my end game content without it being a fcking job to farm everything. I have exatly the opposite thinking about what it is right now.. Classic is just too boring for me, that "hard" elements of classic are just not fun to me anymore.

(I personally love the cartoonization more) That's not to say I don't want dark games, and stuff like that and I think it can work regardless of the artstyle as long as they commit to it and the writing is good. But the super detailed, or super gritty style just never appeals to me cause it's so ugly to look at.