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That's a guarantee that they're wrong at best or acting on ill intent at worst. Someone only really refuses to explain their reasons to you if they know you wouldn't agree with them.

Believe any rubbish fed without critical thinking and on the slippery slope to brainwashing and endorsing senseless bloodshed in a maniacs name but they so conditioned .Still they understand logic and reason will break there hold over people which why they frown on it.

The only time it’s acceptable is when you’re in a giant robot. Because that’s the way Team Dai-Gurren rolls.

i would accapt that as a respone to some things like how much whipped cream you should use or what dance moves you should do but also realize thise was absolutely nothing related to what you where talking about and just enjoy being mildly silly on the internet

Some of those same people will use the term snowflake unironically but flip their shit if you say the bullshit they believe is obviosuly bulllshit.

Honest, direct Question: Where do you think lies the Main-Source and Fuel-Station of LGBT-Hate in 2022?

@@nenmaster5218 ?

@@JustDeannaJune Can i not adress you as a 'Belief It Or Not'-Fan?

@@JustDeannaJune I was speaking in general.

simply unbelievable. I live in Germany. Faith is hardly an issue here. Even the pastor in my hometown says the Bible is just a collection of stories to learn a lesson from. Not more.

That moment when the prayer you say 'for someone else' tips your hand and you tell everybody your business, and also clearly demonstrate that you don't understand what's going on outside of your head... Man, I'm sorry you had that experience. I hope you found resolution to your struggles in time. And, uh, I guess I hope that 'friend' got some help for their porn addiction.

Sounds like a self report prayer. I've had the same happen to me, a tone deaf prayer started my skepticism and leaving religion and limiting faith.

They were praying for themselves I guess lol

Basically, that -member- bell end ignored your issues and brought up theirs instead.

Sounds like projection.

Nice one. P.S. From personal experience not a very good idea to get into arguments with them, it's like talking to a wall.

One response they'll don't like is , when asked if you believe in God... ask innocently which God?

@@AK-bf2ho people think when you're not looking too, they, in fact, do not de-spawn

@@wontcreep What?

@@AK-bf2ho it's not because you don't see them change their mind that it didn't affect the person you're arguing with, it's like talking to a wall that is thinking, it's probably not going to awnser you but maybe they'll think about it and if they are of curious nature, reason will gradually poison unreasonable faith.

Then let this be the comment to let you know that God is still fighting for you. I equally hope and pray that this is what you needed to hear. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Pastor James

@@PastorJamesAndrews four names

@@PastorJamesAndrews Prayer doesn't work, and that's a fact. And if god was "fighting" for us, why did he do such a poor job? Your concern is appreciated tho.

@@GuitarDog_atx I’m witness to prayer working, I’m also witness to prayer failing to be answered. Though Preachers and church member constantly tell us to pray, they rarely talk about the many reasons in the Bible where it states why a prayer will go unanswered. When we learn about the reasons stated in the Bible on why some prayers go unanswered, our eyes are open to different expectations when we pray. I pray, we all open our Bibles again to seek why prayers go unanswered so that we might have a better understanding on why prayers work. With love.

Allow me to to play Devil's advocate, if you will, because this closing line moved me to my core as well. The One that has always been fighting for you IS you. The only one in this universe that could ever comprehend, understand, empathize and advocate for you better than anything else is yourself. Take all of these ideas of faith and apply them inward. Can you say that you have faith in yourself? That you truly love yourself unconditionally? I can't. But I'm trying. Every day I'm trying, despite the "evidence" all around that I'm a failure and a disappointment. I was raised outside of Christianity, thank Christ, so I'm not convinced by these ideas of a god that posits itself as The Only Truth or whatever. But you know what kinda "god" I can believe in? The one that resides in me. The one that has seen everything I've seen and remembers it too. The one that knows what I really need and the best way to make me see it. And you know what? It takes a serious leap of faith to believe that. That I know what's best for me. That through every trial I'll be okay on the other side. That I deserve love just because. What else is any god that anyone ever came up with but an imaginary friend that tries to convince us of those things? At it's core at least, if you strip out the coercion and manipulation that religious institutions habitually bake into the "scripture" of these imaginary friends. All of this is to say, have faith in yourself. Because that is the god that is both real and fights for you every single moment.

Yeah, but definitely in character for the value.

Reason is the enemy of faith my friends

@James Henry Smith of course not

I think we commonly misuse the word and concept of faith in our lives. Faith is more akin to trust in my mind. And not blind trust. Trust I have because God has been reliable for me, my family, my friends, and lots of other people, including the historical figures in the Bible. God keeps his side of the bargain, even when I broke my part. I trust him with my life because he is worthy. Or as we say, God is faithful.

Family feud had this one hilarious episode where the cast of jackass was on the show, but I was more amused by them than Steve rambling about his religious crap.

DUDE! That’s exactly something I was thinking, why does gold, an earthly metal, that lowly humans chose to value have ANY value or importance in heaven? Gold should be nothing up there, if anything there should be some special divine metal

Do you think people wear any clothes in heaven? I expect the climate to be mildly pleasant there and things like rape or molestation would be non-existent in a perfect environment.

2 things: first heaven doesn't have streets of gold; it's actually New Jerusalem on New Earth that has the streets of gold and a lot of Christians confuse the 2 places. Second of all, the finite and limited quantity of gold is one of the key aspects of it's value. The more plentiful a substance is, the less it typically sells for. Dirt doesn't sell for much, and neither does water in places where it's plentiful. If there is an infinite amount of gold in New Jerusalem (or in heaven too) then it will not be precious. Just like printing tons of money leads to inflation, having enough gold to pave streets with would inflate it's value to that of asphalt.

@@davidhoffman6980 I'm glad I had you to teach me that dirt isn't worth much because there's so darn much of it. Secondly, I think you accidentally left some unrelated text in your lesson. This here doesn't seem to fit with your attempt at explaining basic economic stuff. "If there is an infinite amount of gold in New Jerusalem (or in heaven too) then it will not be precious." I never learned about a new or old Jerusalem in high school economics.

@@Meow_Zedong New Jerusalem isn't an economic concept. New Jerusalem is where the book of Revelation says the faithful will reside. The point is, if it has an infinite amount of gold, then it will be worthless. The same is true for any place here on earth. The only reason I mentioned the location is because Christians think that a certain location will have an unimaginable amount of gold, and it's directly tied to the location (i.e. because it's heaven, it will have lots of gold).

I think faith is most commonly agreed to be "a trust in God and that he can do the impossible" and since most Christians have a very personal view on God, that tends to change how they see faith. If God made the world 6000 years ago but science says otherwise, then have faith that God is true. Likewise if one believed in evolution then the argument might go "Evolution is how we got here in a worldly sense, but I have faith my god put me here for a specific purpose and that all are made in its image." Trying my best to not strawman but these are just a few of the viewpoints of faith I got growing up in a church.

Oh I like this take…faith enough to believe in God (I do) but not enough to believe science (WHICH I ALSO DO) is a phrase I’ll have keep with me from here on out.

Faith is one thing and blind faith is another. I interpret the bible as demanding blind faith. That can put people on a path of avoiding critical thinking that can leave them more morally adrift than any athesist. Example: How did so many evangelicals fail to embrace wearing masks during a pandemic, when that simple sacrifice could have prevented suffering and death of others?

Almost like religion is based of fantasy and has no backing behind it at all.

It's totally believable that a city was destroyed by a rain of fire. But a man gaining enlightenment by sitting under a tree? preposterous!

Ah victim blaming, the ace up every pastors sleeve.

but it comes from their family instead of pastors, which is even more heartbreaking. To sum it up, the people you thought would be there for you would rather blame you than having to think that God let it happen to you.@@dryfox11

Its sounds kinda like: “Have no mind of your own, just obey and do whatever *I* , messenger of a god am telling you” Yknow, That seems kind alike that person wants to play a role of god, instead of actually follow the religion, They want power.

Reality spoils the fantasy of hugging Jesus and knowing that he loves me.

​@@Anasumiwerent kings anointed by god 😂 and the peasants one day started thinking it might be bullshit

Thank you. Exactly. The people making excuses for an indifferent and absent “god” are like children trying to excuse/rationalize the behavior of an abusive parent. Anxious attachment combined with trauma bonding - plus massive denial of the fact of mortality

I think God is very active in my life and my relationship with him.

I don't know if that's just a Christian thing, because I've seen people with similar attitudes and it's always been rather perplexing to me. I was raised Catholic, and I always grew up hearing "God helps those who help themselves". So all those people just expecting some grand show of divine intervention and refusing to pass gun laws or get vaccinated is just baffling. Like, if there was one good message I learned from religion, it's that it isn't enough just to want something, you have to actually work towards it. If I was still with the church (and assuming they haven't gone full MAGA yet), I know for a fact they'd be saying that the vaccine's a gift from God and that on the matter of guns & the climate that we have to act or "how do you expect God to do anything when you won't?". And then I turn around and see all these Christians just waiting for a miracle.🤷🏻‍♀

They should spend less time focusing on a fictional character who was written to have died over 2,000 years ago and start thinking for themselves, so that they can also spend less time focusing on all of the dead children who are dying RIGHT NOW because self-declared "good Christians" have SO MUCH faith that they're stockpiling guns out of fear.

hahahhaa. your friend was spitting facts

same as "if gods gonna do it then nothings gonna get done"

@@traumatizednewt104_4 ha I don't even know that guy! It was really shocking to see though lol I was even more shocked by my friends' response being so reliant on apologetics. I know them to know better

Indeed! it made me LEGIT pause and is still (as of the end of the video) sitting in my chest...

I am sorry to hear about your struggle. An imaginary friend doesn't give a shit about struggling people. Only we people with empathy and sympathy can help each other out. I wish you a speedy recovery from your depression as also from religion.

I went through similar. Proud, and MUCH happier, atheist now 👍

are you a DM by any chance?

Exactly. If he says, I have tested the rope and I KNOW it will hold us. vs if he says, I BELIEVE, I HAVE FAITH that it will hold us

I feel like faith is blind trust, while real trust is built. In that example, the trust is built by them crossing the bridge first.

@@LooseDeuce He's MD: Max Doubt

True, faith requires you dont check if the bridge is sound and do research.

I wish you a satisfying resolution to this crisis, and I hope you are well

Just remember friend. Doubts are normal, but don’t stop there. Questions make you an athiest. Answers make you Christian. Please reply to this comment if you ever need help or prayer or insight.

​@@patatoe2124If you are scared to ask questions, you should start asking yourself why it is that you're scared.

@@Sigurd_Fosite I agree

From someone who's been zapped a couple of times by live wires in a poorly wired house (never to the point of needing medical care, but to the point of 'I can't believe you don't need medical care')--think "prank buzzer that hates you"

I accidentally shocked myself by pulling a cable out of the outlet behind my dresser with two fingers touching the metal prongs. I absolutely remember how it felt. Quick jolt of pain through both my index and middle fingers with a lingering tingling sensation. And I'm sure someone knew how electricity felt when they wrote that lol.

I’m also very curious if they have ever seen a lightning storm before…

I got zapped at a barn party one night. Found a corner to pee in, and ended up peeing on the transformer for the electric fence. It was a moment that will not be easily forgotten.

I’ve felt it to many times to count

Ask a woman what happens if she has faith that the last person put the toilet seat down when she goes to the bathroom in the middle of the night.

@@flowingafterglow629 or that people are inherently good.

yes this. I have faith in nothing, except perhaps my cat. I always assume I’m about to get hit by a car or choke and die. Or that the floor I’m walking on will collapse. Op you know how it js

Whenever somebody quotes a Bible verse set me, I respond with: _Mr and Mrs Dursley, of number four, Privet Drive, were proud to say that they were perfectly normal, thank you very much. (Harry Potter 1:1)_

I would prefer doing this with brutal legend. But it still sounds fun.

I bet you could pass the Silmarillion off as a real religious text

We have enough religions inspired by transphobes, thank you.

@@phantom-K are you trying to say that it isn't?

My family used to talk about how biblical "hope" was a certainty, while secular "hope" was wishful thinking. 🙄

@James Henry Smith no, they are not true. For one thing, they are mutually exclusive. Both simply can not possibly be true. And when we use evidence to determine which of the two can be true, we find that neither is supported.

I certainly feel that, I was so so scared of hell as a child, so scared of any kind of punishment. My conviction to be a "good kid" made me abhor introspection and failure, so I had no sense of self-worth just the faith that the adults in my life begin happy would keep me in heaven. It made every failure feel like the world ending. So yeah, fuck that. Fuck all that.

Very well said, I appreciate hearing your experiences as someone from another faith tradition. Christianity and Buddhism share a lot of DNA. also that avatar goes hard AF. Happy pride!

@@aegisScale it's different for me though. The "fear" conclusion is just something i arrived on based on my observation. To me all the rules on good and bad Karmas made no sense. So we can't even hurt a fly or we'll go to Hell? So. We're supposed to just lie there and let mosquitoes with malaria bit us to death? Good karma cannot erased your bad karma? So. We all go to Hell regardless? The only real question would be, for how long? The more bad karma you do the longer you'll be in Hell. Heaven and Hell in Buddhism is just brutal. I began to become a Misotheist (idk about Misotheist till i got older, but. Looking back the way i behaved at times are pretty much what a Misotheist would do) at a very young age (10 year olds, yeah. That much young). I always hated going to the Wats (temple complex). I hated all the entities in both Hell and Heaven. I always cusses my mom off (not at her, at all the mythological entities, i even challenges them to come get me if they're so mighty. Lol) everytime she brought up Hell and Heaven, karma this, karma that, when i does something contradicting to Buddhism and as i grew older i realized. What's the point of hating something that doesn't exist? Then, i became an Atheist for a time, then i progressed more toward Anti-Theist when i got exposed to the inherent homophobic teachings of the "Crescent Moon religion" (can't spell out the real name, mama Susan's AI would obliterate this comment) and Christianity.

@@TheBodiesInTheWaterBeckons man, that's intense . . .

Yup you're so fucking right, faith is actually fear. Fear of hell or whatever similar fate in that religion, faith doesn't free you it coerces and manipulates you into acting a certain way against your internal nature Explains why shame is used so much too, faith and shame are two sides of the same coin

I heard he was a believer, even in fairies. Either he didn’t take his own advice or he was very bad at evaluating facts.

@@pansepot1490 it's very strange that he was a believer after what he wrote

Yeah, as a Christian, I agree. Faith is not always a feeling and at the end of the day should be a decision to trust in God.

That sounds like a very terrible church, but don’t let an awful reflection of who God is effect your opinion of who he truly is. I’ve been that terrible reflection before and I regret it everyday. So please, at the request of a poor regretful sinner, really try to know God personally and not through other people.

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EXACTLY! What does he think that happens in chemistry research facilities if atoms and molecules don't exist??? How does he think medicines get made??? Do people just waste their time, get paid for it and somehow that cures sick people??????

YES! Don't people of all faiths also 'believe' in the existence of atoms?!

@@samwitch2102 well some believe in an Adam

@@otrachicadeyoutube6853 In a lot of cases, yes, they think all science--especially medical science--is a scam that steals people's money and at best is fake, more likely is giving people brainwashing drugs and sometimes the Mark of the Beast, and doesn't heal anyone (if by chance your cancer goes into remission after cancer treatment, that was Jesus, not chemo). Yes, the irony could choke a horse. Yes, they're telling on themselves. No, they'll never admit it.

I will never be able to stop associating that word with the trial of Amber Heard. 😂

See thing is if you are gaslighted into thinking the bible is completely factual the fictional accounts and hearsay become something to blindly believe Never underestimate Christianities ability to indoctrinate vulnerable humans.

Let alone "omission". Because the church only deems some accounts true.... but why not the others? 🤦‍♀️

Objection hearsay :)

@James Henry Smith - they're about as true as how undercover cops have to tell you the truth if you ask if they're a cop or how the suspicious looking "small" business representative for an MLM scheme isn't a pyramid scheme and therefore a legitimate and totally-not-a-scam business either way you'll lose a lot of time and money if you're gullible enough to believe any of it

Bravo! I can tell you went a long way in your personal journey to work this out.

​@@Aaron-mj9ie Thanks! It has been quite a journey. I tried so hard to rationalize a god, but in the end I couldn't. It is obvious to me now that if there is a god or creator of any kind, it is not concerned about this one little planet or any of the life on it, including us. The only thing I can say for sure is that I am a part of the universe, and I am a product of the laws that govern it.

I'm glad I was never able to find that irrational "proof" for myself, and that I found church boring. Going through that sorta hamster wheel would've destroyed me . . . I have nothing but respect for people like you who got out when you had fallen in in the first place because of that.

Well, in the words of Galileo Galilei: "By denying scientific principles, one may maintain any paradox."

In Christianity logic. That watch fitbit is a relic.

Yeah, God makes mistakes too.

But then what makes God better than a human? 🤔

@@obscurum6 obviously superpowers and also the ability to take criticism and change for good. Gods show the pathway to being a good human being. Hinduism is a very symbolic religion. Stories and Gods are mostly the metaphors and personification of mundane humans behavior and circumstances. Bcz uk any problem must've happened w someone else and hence there must be a viable solution. And it also has an anti natalist angle to life. Which was quite surprising to think abt.

@@ritikasingh9555 Then it makes no sense that Hindus are anti abortion. 🙄

@@ritikasingh9555 Humans have the ability to take criticism and change for the better. Also there is no evidence that god's have 'superpowers'. What 'Superpowers' are you referring to? Humans have amazing 'superpowers', and there is evidence for many super human abilities in humans. So your description of gods makes them just like humans.

The Bible can handle scrutiny, it’s people who have a hard time with scrutiny. If you still have questions, feel free to ask.

@@PastorJamesAndrews So should Henry VIII have married his brother's widow or not?

@@cam4636 What aspect of the situation are you referring to as it relates to the Bible, so I can speak to it in the correct context?

hahahahaha. the same thing happened to me. i told my parents i was going to seriously question the belief system of christianity because i was certain it would be right and that i said i wanted to have such strong arguments that my witness to people would be undeniably factual. so i allowed myself to deeply question.. and my faith started slipping away from me... Lol.. at this point i asked God a lot as well, to help me, strengthen my faith, i heard no replies and the skepticism continued... eventually i gave up and said the only logical path was to say that its either not real and that if it is it creates for toxic and closeminded people (but thats a personal issue i have with it) ... the whole belief system seemed very very flimsy.. anyways so i lost my faith. and my parents were shocked, even devastated. i guess the uh bible couldnt handle a little testing. its sad if im honest. im not really sad now but i still find it hard occasionally to wrap my head around the fact that everything i passionately believed for so long might just be a big myth. and i say might. because as i said... i think i feel guilty for not believing as if its a choice im making thats a sin. although my skepticism comes from the facts that contradict the book, its like not having faith is still a personal choice and i somehow feel im being bad by being skeptical and i need to lay down the reasoning. i may still be brainwashed. but like i said its so hard to like let go of everything it all is... especially as i am surrounded by christians and question everything again everyday. maybe im being gaslit into believing. anyways at this point, some days i think im an atheist, other days i dont know anymore. the skepticism continues though. even when i set foot in church again.. and ive tried being christian again for a week or two, but the skepticism sort of just permeates through my experience even whenever i try it again because im afraid of hellfire, for a second. and thats funny, because i felt it was a dictatorship for so long because im not allowed to question but also, the only thing that kept me so certain that i needed to be certain it was all false was that i was afraid of hell, its sad. that for a lot of people, thats actually everything that upholds the whole religion. the punishment and reward system. wether they deny that or not. that and blind belief/brainwash keeps them happy and passionate for the cultic system theyre in. once you take away the blind belief you're met with an undeniable sense of skepticism that can be very hard to handle for someone who wanted to be a christian.

@@PastorJamesAndrews why does God allow evil? Sure we created it with sin via free will, but God made us and is responsible. We know a good life can be had without free will leading to sin, unless you think heaven is not good, has no free will, or has sin.

Well, believing things via faith may be accurately described as feeling like they are true, and I guess it also depend how you define belief, but the way I see it- my beliefs are just the things that I am convinced are true. I believe the moon exists, for example. I guess I could say that I feel like the moon exists, but that doesn't give me any way to differentiate between my hunches and what I think I have good reason for. Like- I feel like there is probably life elsewhere in the universe. I've got no good reason to be convinced about that, it's just what I think might be true. But it seems like there's better reasons to believe other beliefs I have. There's good reason to believe gravity will continue to hold me on the earth. I can never know anything 100% for sure, but I can be reasonably confident in my beliefs. Like I said, you could ultimately say that I just feel like my well reasoned beliefs are true, but I don't find that description particular useful. I think its more accurate to use that description for my hunches. The things I don't really have enough information to make good conclusions about, but I feel like they are true. I feel like travelling back in time can't change the past, because you've already done it. I feel like we aren't in a simulation. Those sorts of things. 🤷‍♂️

@@trybunt Hi Ben. I'm been trying to understand what you want to tell me here. But first: Why would you need to "believe" that the moon exists? When you can look you the window at night and see it? Why would you need to "believe" that gravity will continue to hold you on the earth? Gravity is something we humans can measured. Gravity is a law of our reality. These thing are something we can read about and learn the science behind the facts. I will also thank you for showing me that when a person uses the word "Belief" instead of "Feeling" it can make the person look more certain in he/she/they feel. "Like I said, you could ultimately say that I just feel like my well reasoned beliefs are true, but I don't find that description particular useful." "Like I said, you could ultimately say that I just feel like my well reasoned feelings are true, but I don't find that description particular useful." But as I said I don't know what you wanted to say. Language, written and spoken, can/is often unclear. A person most know what the other person mean to understand. Words can mean different things, for the person speaking and for the person listening. Belief is word that is nebulous. Its unclear in what it is. I tried, and I feel succeeded, in finding what the word and act of "Belief" means. Belief means feeling. It also hides that what a person is speaking of is feelings and not facts.

@@dragon1011dk all I wanted to say to you is that "i believe X" doesn't always mean that there isn't any good reasons or scientific evidence to support it. Some people, like myself, will use the word for anything they are convinced is true, even mundane reasonable things. When I say "I believe X" I mean "I am convinced of X" Am I convinced that the moon exists? Yes. Therefore, I believe the moon exists. You were saying that the moon just exists, so I don't need to "believe" it exists, but I don't see our knowledge of the world the same way, by the sound of it. This is probably just a difference in definitions, but could be a difference in epistemology, I'm not sure. If you're interested, I'll try my best to explain why I use the word "believe" for everything I'm convinced is real or true rather than "I know". The way i see it is like this- The objective universe exists, we exist in this universe, and we perceive the universe through our senses to draw conclusions about the universe we exist in. Sound fair so far? So, then we see something, like the moon, and we can measure with instruments, form conclusions etc. Seems like you would say "I know the moon exists" which is fair enough. But if I'm trying to be precise with my language I would say "I'm convinced" or "I believe" because that's how I view knowledge- it's just our understanding of the world. All I am really saying that we still need to be convinced by that process of investigation, we aren't gaining objective knowledge of the universe, only more data to draw more reasonable conclusions. Our entire experience of the universe is dependent on, not only our senses, but our brains interpretation of those senses, so we can only ever experience our brains interpretation of the universe. In my opinion it's better to acknowledge that there will always be a gap between our perception of reality, and objective reality. This means that we can't have objective knowledge of the universe. All we can have is our best understanding. Hopefully that helps clear up my comment. Mostly I was just trying to explain that it's not always about people using feelings rather than facts, and trying to separate what people think is true into feeling based or facts based isn't particularly helpful because we all feel like our view of reality is true, that's just part of being human. I think its more productive to work out whether or not we have good reasons for our beliefs, because we are all fallible human beings.

Been there, done that, I feel you man. (No pun intended)

I recently had this small light bulb pop on over my head: with whom would you rather go into and explore a ramshackle abandoned house? a) a buddy who says, I believe that the floor will support us. or b) a buddy who is a building contractor and who is now covered in cobwebs and dust after crawling under the house who says, I know that the floor will support us. Facts!

Same here

Heaven helps those who help themselves

Up until you say you want a vaccine or believe in evolution without "seeing" it--then you're BLIND and BRAINWASHED and NOT FOLLOWING COMMON SENSE

I would argue against that as a a Christian. This channel seems to just find the worst representatives of Christ and target them. I’ll post a link that a guy who does great work with logic and the Bible. m.ru-vid.com/group/PLZ3iRMLYFlHuhA0RPKZFHVcjIMN_-F596

Sometimes it's not bias, it's just trust because they want to make it equivalent, faith = trust and to some extent they are right but me trusting an expert in a particular area of expertise is not the same as trusting a God.

Ugh I hate the "everyone has faith in something" conversations. No matter what my response is, they say something like "well that counts as believing in something." Then they bend over backwards to explain my "beliefs" back to me...

@@Trouble_Butt I've heard "you have faith in your car engine" or vending machines or light bulbs. Anything that fails, apparently.

@@bluester7177 the gradual redefinition of words until they have no meaning is a technique of con artists ( where it’s usually called weasel words ) and totalitarians ( George Orwell and his newspeak springs to mind ). Of course I don’t expect my house to fall down, my car to crash, my food to poison me, my neighbor to attack me. That comes from experience, knowledge of my country’s laws, paying people to inspect things that might break and personal relationships. You could summarise all that to trust and synonymise that to faith if you really pushed it. But, religion provides no experience, legal foundations, neutral evidence or a two way personal relationship of any of its precepts. So faith in god and faith that my car will start are not the same thing in any way.

@@mariaquiet6211 "Don't you _believe_ your printer is going to work, bringing the Word of the Light into the World? Faith in Jesus is a fresh ink cartridge, probably magenta"

I first subscribed to his channel then as I listened I got bored and him asking me to forget about logic was absurd.

Special Pleading was my first square in You Were Born Into A Cult Bingo. Great game. You eventually win freedom. Sometimes, it's while you're still young!

This was what put me at odds with my mother recently. Not in a bad way which in itself was nice, but suffice it to say I’m still Christian, I just don’t subscribe to the evangelical and fundie crap. So when I told her when asked, that I took issue with a particular sermon at church she seemed taken slightly aback, and that I had shut myself off to to the message being taught. I told her, no…I didn’t go with that intention. I never do, but whenever I hear anything that suggests that there’s only ONE way to be a Christian and it can only look like this ONE thing, that’s when I start to tune everything out. This was the precise problem when Christianity started co-opting conservative politics. It demonized anyone who didn’t have the the same conservative takes and interpretations, and it became weaponized propaganda.

That's so horrible! He was basically saying that the rest of them *deserved* it!

I think that's the point. They'll talk in circles til their words lose all meaning.

I feel ya on that

It sounds like you would likely be calling yourself agnostic, then? Which is often seen as a type of atheism, although apologists try their best to separate the two.

@@JackgarPrime I dunno, man. I don’t really have a label for what I think. That gets into whose definition of god or God counts, and as what. That’s mostly about labels. I do think forcefully denying the *possibility* of kinds of consciousness that encompass or include or dwarf or mirror our own in some way can be just as arrogant as claiming to know which single set of supernatural stories people tell are actual real true things that happened. But I don’t throw up my hands and say “I don’t know who’s right, might be anyone.” So, whatever you call that.

@@muddlewait8844 Well let's boil it down to the critical component: are you convinced of any God claim being true? Not whether it's possible or not, not whether we can know it for sure, but just if you, yourself, are convinced of any specific one being real?

@@JackgarPrime Nope. At the same time, I’m not convinced there isn’t something that I can’t currently perceive or understand that I’d call some kind of god if I had some way to know more about it. I can imagine the kind of thing that might qualify, but not in a way that would let me meaningfully formulate, much less test, any specific theory.

I think I have 2 comments for you. 1. Your relationship with God should not be blind faith. Regardless of what this guy says Christian teaching is, that’s false. Christian should be able to defend their faith with evidence. 2. I think lots of Athiests are so focused on Hell they aren’t focused on Christ and God. You’re not gonna go to Hell if you have Jesus as the lord of your life.

@patatoe2124 1. Agreed. I put God through every type of test I could think of when I was allowed to think for myself, whether that be philosophical, historical, reason, looking for him in my own life, and looking for the good God did that only could come about if he was real. Every test I put him through made me realize after a time that the emperor really does have no clothes. 2. "So I can save you from what I'm gonna do to you if you don't let me in" doesn't convince me anymore. Any all-knowing loving God could see right through the immorality of sending people to hell over what they believe in, something you can't control. The only kind of power that needs you to believe is the kind that disappears when you stop.

1. Alright. See your phrasing here makes me wonder if you’re looking for a reason to not believe God. I think you’re going to end up believing whatever you’re looking for, unless you’re looking for nothing, in which case, I think you’ll follow the evidence to a logical place (God). I don’t know how sincerely you looked for Christ, and I don’t want to seem like I’m accusing you of being an insincere person who didn’t try, but I would encourage you to really search your own soul and think about whether or not you were really trying to find God. Also, can you describe what you mean by the emperor has no clothes? I know the phrase but I’m not sure how it applies here and I’m not saying you used it wrong but I’m sure you have an intent for it that I’m not reading. 2. I think you’re misunderstanding your position in the situation. You’re not the victim. You’re the criminal. And I am too. I can understand how you would feel that way if you lived before Christ (not that I think feeling that way would be right, but I could understand it more) but we live in a post-Christ world, where God has gone the extra mile and done all of the work for us. All we have to do is accept him. I would like you to try to understand that God is not the person in the wrong for sending us sinners to Hell. You have sinned, just as I have, and fallen short of the glory of God. You and I have both hurt more people than we could possibly imagine. You and I have both committed more terrible crimes than we could possibly comprehend. We see Hell and we think that it is so terrible, but perhaps we need to think about that if the punishment for what we do that doesn’t align with God is so bad that perhaps not aligning with God is very bad. Punishments help us understand the severity of our actions, so a punishment as bas as hell should emphasize how bad sin is. I’m going to add an additional point here. I think this is often the most important point. Atheist often talk about wanting evidence and so and such which is understandable, but I think most Athiests have a heart issue. So I’m going to ask you a couple questions that you can answer to me, but I really want you to reflect on them yourself. What is your purpose? Why do you get out of bed in the morning? Why do you bother to keep going? In an Athiest worldview, the heat death of the universe will occur, and nothing will have matter. The universe has no intrinsic purpose, and nothing is eternal. Orat least that’s my understanding of it, so why do you keep going? Do you think it is logical to disagree conceptually with a conceptual idea of a all powerful, all knowing, all loving and all correct God? Do you have a personal reason that you would not want to believe in God? Like, is there a reason to not believe in God philosophically? Like, if you had all the evidence in the world, is there still a reason you would be hesitant to object to it? Perhaps I’ve gotten a little off course, but I’d like you to consider those questions. If not God, then what?

@patatoe2124 1. I didn't start my journey looking for a reason not to believe in God. I can't prove that to you, I just know what I was thinking. And by the emperor has no clothes, it means once you see past everyone saying he is wearing invisible clothes (in this case no evidence for God,) it's really hard to see that he is wearing clothes even if you want to fake it for yourself. 2. Believing we all deserve the same sentence for different crimes is wild. Question answers: 1. There is no greater purpose, only what we give to ourselves and one another. 2. It isn't logical to disagree conceptually, but it is logical to not believe in it. Just because I can't disprove it logically doesn't mean I should believe in it. 3. No. I was a Christian for 20+ years, grew up wanting to be a leader of my church, and am still not out as an atheist to friends/family 5 years later. If there was evidence for God, you could not shut me up about it, just like how I was for the first 20 years of my life.

@@hershy1594 Alright. As long as you are being honest with yourself. You do seem pretty set in your ways and I don’t think I’m going to change your mind in a RU-vid comment section, but I do want to address a couple things. 1. I don’t actually believe everyone gets the same sentence. I think they all get eternal separation from God, which I do think is a bad experience, but as far as the direct punishment goes, I think there will be times in hell where it is worse and times in hell where it is better, especially for some people and others. You also don’t stop sinning in hell, which explains why it’s eternal. 2. I don’t want you to think I’m attacking you because I’m not. I am criticizing your beliefs. I just want to say that. But I think thinking that we have no intrinsic purpose except the ones we make for ourselves, and that there is no objective morality and all that other belief baggage that comes with Athiesm is very egotistical, self-centered, prideful, and dangerous. What are your questions about God that you think people aren’t able to answer?

I think what I hear is a lot of character comes through when you talk. Yours is not a run of the mill voice.

Something similar happened to me too. Part of me wonders whether these people would ever regret chasing believers away from their faith or if they would just simply dig down on the whole "Oh they were never true believers in the first place" shebang. My money's on the latter.

@@FireSeraph007 Yea. Some people can be really toxic when it comes to religion.

I seem to remember reading those comments. "ReformedWiki2.0" pops up a lot on my RU-vid recomendation list for some reason.

@@nuttysquirrel8816 I know. It’s weird

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Sort of... it's a maladaptive attribute in human development i.e. spandrel

That's an insult to any virus.

hearing from my church that god will do anything if you just have faith and my best friend died from a brain tumor. during the period before he died, i was praying several times a day for my friend and his family and i have never wanted anything thing more in my life than for him to be okay. I had so much faith that i wasn’t even worried about him, everyone told me that if i prayed hard enough he would be okay. and then he died. everything fell apart and i still believed but i hated him until i didn’t believe anymore. i’ve been so much happier since ive focused on helping others instead of persecuting them

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Honest, direct Question: Where do you think lies the Main-Source and Fuel-Station of LGBT-Hate in 2022?

@@nenmaster5218 The Daily Wire?

@@pansepot1490 Makes me wonder if we shouldnt vote Republicans and Religion (and its Fusion-State known as Trumpism) outta Office.

yeah pretty much