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I was expecting this to be a case - as actually seen in a lot of movies - where the villain's motive actually feels more sensible, noble, and well-intentioned than the hero's. But this is good too, villain is actually competent. Keep in mind certain sacred laws of villainy must be upheld. In particular the villain must monologue their entire plan to the hero before killing them, and cannot kill them directly but must place them in predicaments likely to kill them and from which escape is unlikely but possible.
@@VoidKing666 I wasn't thinking about HISHE, but they might refer to similar, I think they have a few times. More like both me and HISHE thinking the same thing, not me directly referencing them. What I'm thinking of is how in a lot of cases the villain actually has some really valid points, and in many cases their cause actually feels more justified than the hero's. In many cases the villain is an activist of some sort, trying to right a wrong, to liberate an oppressed people, to tear down harmful institutions, and so on. The hero is trying to uphold the status quo, to keep everything the way it is - for better, or in some cases, for worse. Could argue the traditional heroes aren't so much "good" as "lawful." And especially in more recent times where people have realized that the status quo, institutions the heroes defend, and even laws are in some cases very unjust, the "villain's" motives actually feel more justified than the "hero's." So in many cases movies have to find ways of ensuring the villain stays the "bad guy" by having them use unacceptable means to attempt to achieve their sensible ends. This isn't true of all villains, others are just power-hungry maniacs or seeking revenge over something silly, but those aren't as compelling.
@@MsKJackson831 thanos plan didn’t make much sense. Especially since his whole plan was the furthest thing from sustainable. The Human race alone could easily repopulate back to previous numbers within a decade and it was incredibly easy for the Avengers to find him.
It's meant to poke fun of stupid movie conveniences that help the main characters progress, there was no way to be able to display this without the hero saying what would happen and what he'll do out loud
Villains usually makes more sense, because they're visionaries. The problem is, their ideas are in most cases highly extreme, so "good guy" stops them.
Are there any movies where it's instead the hero that's some extreme visionary? Because honestly they usually are IRL. Martin Luther King, Jesus, Joan of Arc, etc. All considered visionaries at times.
@@japanpanda2179 Um, a lot. Any dystopian film, star wars original trilogy, any Robin Hood film, many mad max films, the matrix, you can even count the Christopher Nolan batman movies. The stories where the hero isn't the visionary is one's where they are fighting to preserve the world the way it is. The ones where heroes are visionaries are ones where the worldis harsher. Also visionaries can be evil. Mao Zedong, Genghis Khan, the Catholic Monarchs (Feedinand II and Isabella I), were all visionaries as well.
@@phabiorules I resent the assertion that King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella were evil. I know why you say that, but I disagree. I am not exactly unbiased as a Catholic myself of course but to put them on the level of Mao and Genghis Khan is preposterous. By the most conservative estimates 15,000,000 people starved over a four year period under Mao, and Genghis Khan is estimated to be responsible for 40,000,000 deaths and during his life raped so many women that today 1 out of 200 men are descended from him.
@@yourmother595 Yup. And there is no way of knowing how many women are his descendants because the relation is tracked through the Y chromosome. Further fun fact, the most extreme estimates for how many starved to death under Mao are 55,000,000 in 2 years.
@@paradoxzee6834 immediately killing an enemy only serves as a merciful act of kindness actually, which any vengeful and purposeful typical villains will avoid. Thus the kidnapping, torturing, or hostage situation. It's just a psychological warfare to get the utmost wicked pleasure out of weakening the enemy mentally, before finally taking their life. And yeah that's why they prepared for a very long time just to get more time before the killing. I say, they're more meticulous and organised than the swashbuckling impulsive heroes who immediately smash and slash when it's time for action. But yeah it'll be uselessly stupid if after all that perfect plan is executed flawlessly, they'll even overshare it with the mortal enemy just because.
Now that I think about it, the ONLY reason good guys escape is because the bad guys never tied them or backup. (Ok, maybe not FORGETTING to tie the hero, but more like some blatantly obvious thing that the bad guy forgot that let the good guy to escape)
@@stygianmoon1716 it’s usually some stupid thing the villain forgot or didn’t notice and then the main character escapes. This video hit the nail on the head
@@philmybutup4759 truee, but usually that's in Hollywood movies or smth. I've never read about a villain fOrgEtTiNg to tie the hero, like wtf, you had one job
That's the hallmark of bad writing. A good escape is a flaw in the other's thinking. That is something they don't understand associated with their personality or beliefs.
Things the hero learned here: -the villain does not carry a gun -he is being kept in a basement -the villain drives an f150 -the villain owns an iPhone If he ever does escape, all he has to do is check a list of iPhone owners who were in the area when he was kidnapped, cross-reference it with a list of people who own F150s, and he has a really good chance of positively identifying his kidnapper. Meanwhile, the kidnapper thinks he's an idiot, and will likely not kill him for "knowing too much"
Dont forget that basements are rarer in some places than others, so if you're lucky enough to be in one said place, you could also cross reference houses with basements and their owners
@@SkylineLofe Not really? Most people don't own F150's, and very few places actually have basements these days. Plus, he does know what the dude looks like. So uh... that makes it easier?
Plot twist: That was the legit protagonist. He meant to get the comic relief who’s basically Superman with extra Deity sauce. Yes I described them like food, I’m just hungry, okay?
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This is actually a speedrunning exploit where you can keep talking to the villain so the scene never ends, allowing the player to skip the basement transport event trigger after 3 minutes. Since the player is past the basement transport scene but still in the basement, it automatically triggers the basement breakout event and the NPCs who spawn to break the player out are actually invincible and deal MAX_VALUE damage so they'll one-shot the villain which triggers the ending cutscene, saving a whole 23 hours of gameplay.
Honestly, this hero is a genius. By pretending to be dumb, he's getting all sorts of valuable personal information about the villain that he can use to track him down later on. He doesn't suspect a thing. If you really think about it, who's the idiot here?
The guy in the chair is the idiot. He already knows who kidnapped him and why, and still wants to track his kidnapper down by a convoluted set of unrelated data.
I really appreciate a good, realistic villain. Too bad most movie makers are too lazy to work out a protagonist capable of handling such a thing. Instead, we just get villains we're supposed to feel sympathetic toward. It's okay that the good guy isn't better than the bad guy if the bad guy has a tragic backstory~!
Honestly, the trend of humanizing a villian is getting old. I get it, people were getting tired of generic villians and they wanted them to be sympathetic in order to paint a shade of gray instead of making it black and white. However, the purpose of a villian is to provide a sense of conflict for the hero. We know the hero is going to win, so why not make the villian an awful, intelligent, worthy foe that the audiences hates so much, they want see then lose.
I raise you - The Incredibles! Syndrome both has a sympathetic backstory, logical plans and consistent morals. Plus he's genuinely threatening, trying to kill a plane with kids on it? Syndrome is probably my favourite villain in any film NGL. Also, Megamind has a fantastic villain-antihero arc while keeping villains both threatening and understandable
"Too bad most movie makers are too lazy to work out a protagonist capable of handling such a thing". Because that thing is impossible to handle. If a villain is 100% competent, they're completely unbeatable.
@@phabiorules "So why not make the villain an awful, intelligent foe that the audiences hate so much, they want to see them lose". I think you meant to say "that the audiences absolutely love, and want to see them win". Everyone loves the villain. No one likes the heroes. Ever.
I like how the villain actually gives him a great idea, and then the “hero” turns it into something stupid. Like my mans, you had assistance from your captor and still can’t get it right 💀
Perfect villain formula: Step 1: Give them ideal goals that make heroes question why they oppose the villain Step 2: Have them uncharacteristically kill a random innocent to make it personal
Since the TSA guy exploded in the previous video we can assume he'll actually manage to escape the bad guy and return to work at the airport until his death. Now the question is how the hell did he managed to escape. I NEED ANSWERS
"In order to get across the alligator infested moat..." "There's no moat!" THEN WHAT KIND OF VILLAIN ARE YOU!?! Jeez, the guy strapped in the chair may be an idiot, but at least he's thinking!!
"Then I'll go back to my job at the TSA." "What a callback." *Me, who has never seen a video from this channel until now: "I have no context for what you speak of."
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That's pretty much what the "villain" in Attack on Titan tried to do to solve the whole Titan problem. The sterelization plan is basically long-term genocide though, but the "villain's" brother wanted to solve things faster, so the whole plan went down the toilet.
@@japanpanda2179 Yeah, except in this scenario neither you or me would be part of that world because we would be among the mobs of people gutting eachother in the streets.
This whole thing plays like a Red Vs. Blue bit and I love it. I can imagine Washington having this exact conversation just about any of them but especially Donut, Caboose, and Grif
"Your whole lives you're told to be good, but good is only a matter of perspective. Always remember your enemies think they're doing what's right. They think they're the hero and you're the villain. Now you know the truth. There is no good, there is no bad, only weak or strong." -John Kreese.
And they usually have very good reason to be who they are, and do what they do. That's more morally compelling and attractive than the perfectly vanilla good guys.
@@japanpanda2179 don't think I seen that one, I don't really watch Hollywood movies anymore, atleast not modern ones because they are so stupid or boring
@@japanpanda2179 Wasn't the villain's plan in that movie to get a bunch of elites and rich people to a bunker and make the common folk brutally kill eachother with some fucked up serum?
I like how he went with the jetpack idea but called him out on where he'd get a grappling hook. Idk guys but i think you're more likely to find a grappling hook than a jetpack just lying around.
