Where Sonic Went Wrong: Sonic Forces Review (Sub Special) 

Fun Fact, in the Japanese version of the script , Sonic was not tortured and Tails didn’t “Lose it”. Sonic was simply imprisoned and Tails went missing for a bit. So it’s literally just the Eng version trying to make the game more edgy

When I think about it. Silver especially should be enough to like prevent eggman from easily taking over so much. Psychokinesis Telekinesis? Throwing freezing and yeeting things.

I've been feeling like so many years of 06 bashing and making SEGA so afraid of making another 06 or Adventure-like game or take itself seriously like in the "Dark Age"/Experimental Era up to Unleashed and Black Knight. While praising up and down Sonic Colors and Generations, and how there were none of "Sonic's useless friends" (god that STILL makes me so sick to this day), nor any of the overly hated humans (um, Maria and GUN say "hello", so stop using Elise to hate on all humans but Eggman in general). As well as allowing everything to stagnate while putting down the creativity and heart for when it went wrong like in 06 and Boom, even though they weren't purely terrible at all. (In fact, I feel 06 was used to not allow SEGA to be as experimental or serious sadly...) All that I feel was leading to Forces as a culmination of all that. (And no offense, but SEGA wanted to distance themselves from Sally and other Archie and SatAM characters for the longest time, so I didn't expect them going to appear in the game. But I do feel that Forces tried to copy SatAM, Archie, Adventure 2, and other "edgy" stories from Sonic and spinoffs without ever truly understanding what made them work at all.) Also, separating Classic Sonic from Sonic's past and writing everyone so badly was just an insult to every character in the game. Classic Sonic should have been at least an alternate timeline of Past Sonic created from the events of Generations or the Phantom Ruby. But using him to take down modern bosses so easily and other ways they made the events play through when he's involved without even trying to understand what made him so appealing felt like it was just pandering to the classic purists... And everything was so messily thrown together, nothing really lined up sadly. From character dialogue and interaction, to story flow. Nobody ever really felt like themselves sadly, even the classic 4 and Eggman... And if Sonic was really tortured in some form, at least have him unable to enjoy chili dogs or other foods he likes, or even mention how cramped and boring the cell was. Infinite shouldn't have just disappeared like that at the end too, he should at least have been a true final boss against Super Sonic. Maybe have him turn into Phantom Infinite, and the actual last boss fight or secret boss fight against him takes place in the Null Void. Too bad it didn't go that way at all... But I'm so glad you said everything you did here in this video, as well as Sonny Young's response since I felt it rung so true as well. The 06 bashing HAS to end so badly. And I feel P-06 is showing now what was once viewed as the beginning of Sonic's downfall, might ironically show how to bring the series back up. Couldn't agree anymore with Sonny Young's last words also, couldn't have said it better myself. "06 isn't the game we should be worried of right now, Forces is." Hope both the rest of the fanbase and SEGA are able to realize that as well.

Sonic and Eggman are now God's. The only who can defeat Eggman is Sonic. Even though the same Sonic fought on par with knuckles. Depicted as on the same level of his counter parts Shadow and Blaze. Got cucked by Silver. (He was distracted though) But no Sonic is the only one who can do it. Sonic has really ripped off Dragon Ball now.

The thing that baffles me about Sonic Forces' plot is that it is somehow simultaneously really ambitious while also being incredibly lazy at the same time, in a way that both qualities manage to really hack me off. It wants to tell this grand epic story about a resistance battling a totalitarian government, which is ambitious, but doesn't want to put in the effort required to convey any of that to the audience beyond just telling us that that's happening rather than actually showing it. Even the very worst of the Archie comics, which had a very similar setup, showed us that Sonic was a member of a resistance team whose members all contributed something of use, and showed us the negative effects of Robotnik's takeover, even in the goofier early issues, rather than just saying that it happened. And yes, I am saying that this game has worse writing than Ken Penders' worst stories. Let that sink in for a moment.

I love that R&C Rift Apart has many similarity to sonic forces, yet doesn't have any of the game's problem.

I love how the DLC\comics are contradicted by the actual game. DLC and comics: Infinite is a regular guy. Game: Infinite was made by Eggman. SEGA, sometimes you astonish me.

1:01:08 It's also a big tonal whiplash. The music doesn't change in any way and sounds somewhat optimistic... If it got darker somehow as the numbers dwindled, That'd be sick af. It also happened too suddenly, if the battle was drawn out longer and you'd hear major characters struggle fighting Infinite it would be scarier. Imagine if you're too slow on stage, you slowly hear more and more characters become sad, desperate, angry etc. And you can hear glimpses of infinite voice in their intercoms...

"Knuckles hands you a glock with no training and says it's up to you." Is a peak sentence.

Silver's Line before the Infinite fight in Japanese is pretty much "Watch out he's behind you!" I really don't understand what happened with this game... even the 4kids Era games didn't have this many adaption errors.

I think this might be your magnum opus video you've ever put out on your channel. The production value has been getting better with every video, and the length as well as the amount of passion put into making this video, speaks for itself. While the entirety of the video is entirely your own experience and opinions, I still think you speak for the vast majority of fans that grew up in the Adventure era and can't help but feel alienated by this new direction the series is taking, myself included. Forces' 3-year "development cycle" is just synonymous of how lazy and out-of-touch SEGA is as a brand towards their own fanbase. People love to give IDW a free pass just because it takes place after Forces and does more to their characters, but that doesn't mean it's entirely off the hook either. In fact, I feel like it's completely hypocritical for people to not acknowledge the meta humor such as Zeena doing the SA1 box art pose in one of the panels, or how the overall tone of the comic has the same kid-friendly style much like Forces. I'm not blaming the writers entirely, as they obviously have guidelines to follow, but the fact they're even restricted to such, just proves my point on how much control SEGA as a brand has, and how much they'll try to rid themselves away from any negative perception, even if it means rubbing in the Adventure games or even more recently, P-06, as those negative examples in question. It's frustrates me how little people seem willing to look into Forces in a critical standpoint, the same way Clement was extremely cynical towards '06 back when he made his series. Because to me, Forces just represents how much Sonic as an entity has fallen so much from the high heavens he once rose to back in the Genesis era. It really speaks volumes how Crash, Ratchet and even Sackboy of all people can manage to put out quality games that feels inline with all the other AAA games on the market, yet Sonic can barely reach mainstream attention nowadays. I kid you not, the 2020s will be the decade of such horrendous "remasters". First the GTA V Enhanced and Expanded edition and now Colors Ultimate. I guess fans are just afraid to criticize their favorite series just because of how much they love these characters to the point where they'd just buy every single game and comic that has them, regardless of their quality. It's the same fluff I see with Amy Rose fans, in which they won't buy a single IDW issue unless they have some Sonamy in it, as well as denying and stirring up heat against anyone that doesn't believe nor consider IDW as a good/canonical source for such thing. People are so hungry for ship teases and flirts, and when the series relies so much on that said teasing and joking around with the fanbase on the Twitter takeovers, the novelty begins to wear off to the point where people have completely forgotten of why X Ep. 52 was wonderful in the first place. They'd constantly berate Amy's old personality, which to me is just such a blasphemy insult as to how much these people misconstruct and understand basic character flaws, as well as settling for something that feels like a corporate vision as opposed to the artist/writer themselves. This actually make me sad because of how much I love the Adventure era and X for how they stood on their own. I've watched this Colors Ultimate rant video by Tactical Bacon Productions and he completely took the words out of my mouth. The last game in the series that was uncontroversially considered a classic by the fanbase was released in 2011, which was 10 years ago. Sure there were a bunch of games released afterwards, but they never took off the same way. The fans deserve better and should be demanding for better. P-06 and Sonic and Tails R are prime examples of how much passion fans have for the series and characters that it's one of the reasons why I still stick around. It's just a shame that we'll most likely still get content inline with the tone of Colors because once again, it's all about the money and safe reception. This might possibly be my favorite Forces review ever and possibly even my favorite Sonic review in general, which is saying something given how much praise Clement has gotten for his '06 review back in the day. But now, those days of 06 bashing just seems to have dwindled now that Forces is the game that people are wary about and rightfully so. If I have to hear one more person using '06 to hold the series back from doing much more, I'm gonna lose it. It's been 15 years. '06 isn't the game we should be worried of right now, Forces is.

1:21:44 Even if we assume they recruited more people from lands they've taken from Eggman . . . There is still an issue of how fast they learned to use guns? They're basically all rookies... How an army of ROOKIES took over the Eggman empire?

I like that recurring pondering Eggman image. It's like he's thinking "Who wrote the story to this game."

I hate Tails' role in Forces. Its like Sega took the kid to one side and told him that his sole role in this game was to act weak and try and get Classic (Sonic) over with the audience, due to him being a mute with barely enough personality to fill a sandwich. "And if you DARE try to do anything like you used to do, to show that you're still a capable character, then there will be hell to pay!" Though the same could also be said with that Thing, the OC/Avatar, being another mute like Classic with just as much personality as him. Surely anyone with half a brain would think that if Tails' confidence was shot to bits after the death of Sonic, him trying to climb out of that hole himself, with fighting against Chaos, one of Sonic's "killers" would make a much better story. But no, that would undermine Classic, and we can't have that. Also he didn't actually lose it, it was just a line thrown in to try spice up the story, surely won't happen again though, right? The whole bit of Sonic interacting with that Thing when he escapes where when hearing his friends' voice over the radio is just another example of me believing that Roger's voice has too much of an obnoxious tone to be Sonic - when compared to Ryan, Jason and Jun'ichi - given the way he brushes his friends off, claiming that concern is "touching." When saying about Jun'ichi, when you check out his delivery in the Japanese dub, he sounds alot more sincere and less douchey as he says "thanks for your concern, Knuckles." Also "time to ditch this yawnfest"? Why I would think he wasn't tortured at all, and this was just a line thrown in to once again spice things up. Just stick to the script in future, Pontaff. Though with what I said earlier, about Tails not getting to do anything because of a mute character, it seemed to extend to the rest of the cast as well with that Thing stealing their spot. Also... Sonic's friends in the Dark Age/06 when Sonic dies: rather than wallowing in sorrow we'll band together and get the Chaos Emeralds to bring him back! Sonic's friends in the Meta Era/Forces when Sonic "dies": we'll all hide in a bunker, sitting on our butts and let Eggman have free reign over the planet. What the hell happened!?

It's so awesome that Jet the Hawk was able to put aside his rivalry with Sonic to save him, what a great character.

Another thing i've noticed with this game is that in Japanese everyone is cussing each other out and calling Infinite a literal bastard Which is very out of character even if you go back to the earlier games pre-colors.

Man, now I'm imagining a version of this plot where we do see past characters, like the GUN Commander and Elise, and 3D stages, ignoring the two worlds bs. Sonic Mania was a celebration of the Classic Era, so why couldn't Forces have been a celebration of the Adventure Era and beyond? Unfortunately, it's clear this game did not have the time and budget, sigh.

Eggman was a god in SA2. Nothing will ever come close to the sheer masterpiece of characterization that was in SA2.

Making this my headcanon. Sonic Forces is nothing more than a fanfiction written by Cubot.

My goodness, you’ve made an exceptionally long review of a game released four years ago! It’s obvious you’ve been able to maintain your dedication to your hobby even though your videos haven’t attracted a wide audience. I really respect your ability to keep trying despite this and I can’t believe how meticulous you are in so many aspects of Sonic Forces here. I don’t despise Sonic Forces as the majority of people seem to because it’s, at heart, a typical Sonic game being both fun and a bit frustrating. However, I do agree more ambition and vision could’ve and should’ve been invested into it and as we might’ve expected, it just doesn’t expand much on the current lore and world of Sonic and reveal more about its characters. I also agree with you it’s disappointing Sonic’s friends/allies don’t have a more visible, active role in the story. Despite the fact Sonic Forces has a noticeably large cast of characters, it seems the storywriters didn’t devote enough effort into letting Sonic’s relationships with his friends be explored and maybe it would’ve been nice if other old characters from previous games could’ve come back to make the story more memorable. (Maybe you remember from one of my previous comments to you, I suggested the possibility of Sonic having a few character flaws such as unexpected arrogance and selfishness having a negative impact on his relationships.) I almost laughed when you provided evidence Knuckles is such an incompetent and thoughtless military leader. You really have an ability to notice unimportant details. Personally, I don’t think the stages should be criticized for being “short”. I know some are shorter than others and because I wanted to get an S rating and all five red medallions in each one, I found success to be fairly achievable. After some frustration, of course. I believe the experiment with the Rookie/Avatar was worthwhile, so I hope Sonic Team will decide on a canonical Rookie/Avatar and let him or her be an occasionally recurring character just like Silver is.

This is a phenomenal review and story analysis! we need more for this. Also welcome back to RU-vid! one thing i'd like to bring up is that the Japanese translation for some of the lines actually make way more sense. For example the Sonic being tortured line. the Japanese translation is along the lines of "Eggman has been giving sonic hell for months" which can be interpreted in a number of ways. But it's never brought up again.. If I went into all the differences between the two versions we'd be here all day.

The biggest thing that went wrong with Sonic forces in my opinion is that It didn't know what it wanted to be. They feared if they made it to Serious gaming critics would get mad saying that it dumb. If they made no series fans will be mad Also a another problem is that the writers weren't really equipped for this the 2010 writes were there too to make the story is less serious so done being forced to make a serious on story especially since they didn't even have that much info on him it led into. The writing problems

You know what's effed up about Knuckles being the leader? They still make him out to be an idiot when he sends 80 percent of their Forces to their death at Capital City. Also every time I see deactivated Omega the ruined potential hurts, if they actually went down the route of Shadow joining the Dark Side (Provided there was a valid reason as to why.) Omega could have been the one to stop him, linking it back to the whole storyline from 06... I think that's my problem with Forces in general, they try to give Adventure fans "Fan Service" yet it's always on a surface level and hollow. Classic Fans: Here's your 2d gameplay, it's shit but you have mania! Boost Fans: Here's your Boost Gameplay!!! Adventure fans: Uuuuuuuuuuuuh Lyrics in levels? And you say we don't treat you!

This is a great review, splendid job in tearing this game apart. You have put a lot thought into this than the ones responsible for Forces ever did. This game is not as soulless as Lost World, but is still god awful.

When I saw this notification I just imagined that meme with the dad coming in the room with the belt menacingly with the kid on the ground, but the dad is Mighty Emperor and the kid is Forces. The time is finally here. The payoff to the build up for this event, where this man absolutely goes off on Sonic Forces, is finally here.

Sonic Forces Expectation: The Best Game Ever Made. Reality: Soulless Story, Horrible Controls, Notorious Nostalgia Pandering, Bad Characterization, And Mediocore Level Design. At least the Music and Asthetics are decent tho. (Depending on your view)

I like that this review is longer than the game

Woo! Been waiting ages for this one!

One of the worst things about the story in Forces is that the entire idea of the Phantom Ruby doesn't make ANY sense. Tails says that it generates illusions that become their reality, but that makes as much sense as saying "I dissolved oil in water". If it's an illusion, it takes place in their mind and the can't be physically hurt by this. This story just gets worse and worse by the minute.

Infinite's theme orchastrated sound's so triumphant, they should use it for the next game or something.

The last time I checked you had 300 subs. Congrats on 450.

1:31:47 That's a cool detail. Also aren't most real scientists supposed to be excited to work together with like-minded scientists?

Phenomenal analysis

I'm gonna be honest, I like the "I'm.not weak" scene.... in concept. Like, think about it this way. You, leader of the Jackal Squad, and your crew were hired by Eggman to protect his base and kill anyone who interferes. First of, if you were hired by EGGMAN to execute his tasks, you must be the best of the best. Your team must be the best of the best. You probably haven't failed a mission ever, and your ego is probably through the roof. Then one guy, one Hedgehog just kills your whole team before coning to you. Not only is your team gone (which would probably shatter your moral), but the guy who killed them is after you. You have a chance to kill him and avenge your team, at least that's what you think. You have NO FEAR, then he shows up right before your eyes and takes you out in an instant. You feel fear, something you probably haven't felt in a long time. Then your enemy calls you "pathetic", and you can't refute it. You were swiftly taken care of with little effort. That pushes you over the edge to having a mental breakdown. That's such a good scene on paper. But the laziness in the writing/dialouge makes this scene so bad. It was suck a good idea that was messed up by lazy writers. Just a perfect example of how Sonic Forces fumbles great ideas

I hear a lot of people saying this game isn't worse than 06 because 'iT aLsO hAd AmBiTiOn'. Sure, it had ambition, but why don't we try to compare what each game tried to do? 06, was a game that tried to the most epic game of generation. It tried to this unforgettable, cinematic masterpiece, with action packed gameplay, with a meaningful and mature story. Forces on the other hand, is a soulless, nostalgia pandering cash grab that's trying to the appease the least common denominator.

Tails when Sonic dies in Sonic Adventure 2 in Sonic o-6: Oh no anyway Tails when sonic dies in Sonic forces: song please come back I need you I can't fight choas 0 Honestly Sonic forces and Shadow the Hedgehog hold the world record off completely completely ruining character.

Sonic’s High School has better tonal consistency and continuity than this game, and that’s an infamous fan-fiction where no-one actually knows if it was written intentionally bad or sincerely.

"I have an exam tomorrow" Nah let's watch this 2 and a half hour long video again

59:55 There's a theory that in reality Classic Sonic is just Tail's hallucinations and in reality it's HE who beat Chaos 0 and does Classic stages.

Haha them other npcs went away like them humans usually do in previous games.

Gameplay analysis starts at the 1:42 mark for those interested in just that. As in one hour 42 minutes

1:17:42 A serious game,like say Fallout New Vegas, would talk about this as a serious choice to make. "The enemy base being destroyed would give us a huge advantage in the war, but it has a lot of innocent civilians there. Should you and do you have a right to blow up the base for 'greater good' or not?" But nah Forces doesn't care about choices n consequences. They'll materialise new forces... Somehow at the last act from thin air

“Now I just need to harness its power. Eggmanland will finally come to be!” - Sonic Unleashed

Whoa this is long. Still gonna watch it though.

2 hours listening to your handsome voice. I'm excited. :D

I need to know where that symphonic remix of Infinties theme in the intro came from that shit is such a banger.

Something that really irks me that no one seems to talk about, is the fact that Infinite beats Silver and Sonic back to back, yet a day or two later, he loses to Sonic and some random ass fodder.

What a great video! I think forces just turned 4 and with each year I swear it gets worse lol. There were a lot of excellent points in this vid I’ve never even thought of. The one that stuck with me the most was actually one of your first points, about how the first encounter between sonic and Eggman was just empty. Never thought about that until now but really… anyone could’ve had that conversation with Eggman. It just feels so, cheap and artificial I guess. Just feels good guy vs bad guy, no personality, no history… no way of knowing what Eggman or sonic are about. Oh I’m sorry, the “oooh sonic how I hate him” line was suppose to show the audience that 🥴 It’s just sad to see all these characters be reduced to these extremly one note basic as can be cookie cutter characters. Sonic’s the frat boy asshole, Tails is the cowardly smart sidekick, Amy is the woman, Eggman is the bad guy. Like every other character feels like their personalities can be swapped around and the end result wouldn’t be different. Silver I’m pretty sure displayed no personality at all lol, swap him out with Espio or Vector and the dialogue really doesn’t change does it? With forces I don’t feel like I’m even watching or playing a story… it just feels like “things happen and people (sometimes) react” the game. Anyways really good video! Definitely subscribing. You make some great stuff

I have a theory: the reason the choreography of the fight scene in the finale (1:25:30) is so awful, is because SEGA was being mindful of the ('ChIldReN'). I was watching my brother and my cousin playing God of War when I was 4 or 5. I played Mortal Kombat at the age of 8. Children can handle these things better than we think. Admittedly, Sonic shouldn't model their fight scenes after God of War lol, but violence is completely fine. Sonic should have a similar tone as the 2003 TMNT.

Also if they where competent writers maybe we could have some team dark moments rouge meats shadow on for him to fight or he deactivated omega or something

1:41 A major missed opportunity! You should’ve labeled Sonic as “Sonic Fanbase”, replaced the cover of Sonic Forces on Mephiles with the SEGA logo, and placed the cover of Sonic Forces on the laser beam. Therefore, the meme is now SEGA backstabs the Sonic fanbase with Sonic Forces.

I hope Forces isnt canon in the future

As for Shadow being cold towards Omega, that's just the writers and SEGA once again ignoring Adventure era continuity

Turning Knuckles into the leader of the resistance was even more embarrassing than attempting to make Ellie from Last of Us 2, a cold blooded, bloodthirsty killer, like she is friggin' Kratos or something.

54:05 Tell me bout it. Hey atleast Sonic Forces critique is getting mainstream, now compare this to Sonic Colours. It also features linear, blocky level design and yet it seems like only me and one or two other youtubers don't think it's a God's gift upon Earth, infact before forces this was THE weakest modern mainstream boost game

1:20:58 Jokes aside I genuinely believe that Boost Formula has ruined Sonic level design. How are you supposed to design big and explorative levels, on a small budget no less... If you run super fast. Sonic was fast both in classic and especially SA1... But the design still has good mix of speed, platforming and most of all *exploration and being able to create your own shortcuts via using game mechanics*

1:00:14 I know I'm in minority here, but I'd LOVE if the game had multiple choice. That's why I think Shadows spin off had the chance,they just didn't bother to develop the idea. What I'm saying is that this are alone could've been so amazing IF 1) It had multiple and I mean multiple routes to advance And 2) You had an impact on the story. Depending on how well you inspired troops or trained them or how strong you were against infinite, this would affect everyone's morale. The higher it is, the less casualties you get. If you get below 80%... You get a gameover at the end of the mission... If it dips below 90%... You'll hear major characters... They'll be in despair, fear, anger and you'll hear em fighting Infinite... And if it dips below 95%... You'll hear Infinite interfere to mock you for failing to save em all. This can also depend on how fast you complete the stage, the slower you are, the lower % will get and the more sad characters become. Also would be nice if the whole point of this mission was to either retriet an item or blow up major location, but... You would have a choice to abandon the mission to save more lives, infinite would talk to you and propose a deal "Follow the cubes/fastest path and meet me, and I'll spare your friends, if you deviate from the path I'll continue the slaughter but you're welcome to come back any time"

44:13 In my head, a way for him to not directly kill Sonic would be justified if he needed him alive for something. Maybe he needs him to go super so he can absorb Chaos energy, like Nazo did in fan animation. Or they could've made Infinite less op

I heard someone say that since Chaos is made of water, punches don't affect him. When was this ever shown?

Forces pisses me off in a way VERY few games can. SA2 had more than an hour of cutscenes with great character development, world building, thematic development, and great storytelling. Most importantly it made sense throughout. Forces has 20 mins worth of cutscenes, packed with countless plot holes, horrific character assassination, laughable dialogue, meaningless retcons, trite character development, no world building, with no real theme or mood for the story.

1:21:37 I Swear this would make a little bit more sense if they said they lost 40 or 30% of the crew back in operation big wave. This game makes no sense what so ever, thankfully now that frontiers is out, we can now finally put this game in the coffin for good ⚰️

55:08 I’m honestly kinda surprised that they didn’t even have a Boss Battle of theses death egg Robots since they just love to reuse assets from old games

28:30 Imagine if Jaleel voiced Classic again! Or better yet if writters/devs just never used classic again

Sonic forces is the most mediocre game in the whole series I would happily play sonic 06 over this (06 is actually one of my favorites) HOWEVER I think there is fun to be had here the story is bad no doubt and while the gameplay is simple (too simple in fact ) it still feels good to blast through these stages at sonic speed actually because this game is so easy I recommend it to people who want to get into sonic it’s a nice easy simple game. But I’m also happy that frontiers will be nothing like this heck we’re gonna get a whole story direction because the old writers are OUT

16:36 this is why the Modern Sonic games are effectively a soft reboot of the series. All character development and continuity, including GUN was tossed out the window years ago

Infinite was such a nice villain but they pretty much murdered him by giving him a lazy backstory. I mean, come on, he just got angry because Shadow beat his ass and now he wants to kill everyone? This isn't a villain, this is a teenager with super powers. Infinite should've been an actual powerful enemy, all his boss fights should feel like he's the one in control (you can literally beat him under 1 minute if you have the right weapon, which is really stupid), also, his interactions should mostly be with the Custom Character, since that's kinda the entire point of our character, someone who got scared of Infinite. But with what they made to infinite, who would be scared of him? Dude's just an edgelord, so yeah, his backstory is garbage, but he's an awesome character (design and voice). And holy shit, his final appearence is just stupid, no original fight, just Metal Sonic reused.

Got my popcorn and soda ready

The infinite longbois at 1:00:12 😂😂

28:16 to 28:25 Did anyone catch that after he said "it's like someone edited the audio and cut so much of the down-time that it sounds tampered with", an audio glitch happened when he said Tails? Lol was that an intentional stealth joke?

We just got news about Ian Flynn being involved in the making of Sonic Prime. Things are about to get pretty ugly if you ask me.

1 dislike = That one butthurt Forces fan

19:52 You mean, Jet the Hawk?~ 20:00 Yep, I was right

Man you gave me a great idea sonic could have started with his gens design and after his skin gets pale looking like this also I think a great idea is zavok taunts sonic doesn’t respond only with aggression then ends up fighting him the way I see it sonic was mentally tormented and starts talking after beating zavok to a pulp

The writing sucked but to me the worst part was Infinte. The Phantom Ruby enables not only maniacal conquerors, but a archetype that was used very little in the franchise....the god complex. To me Infinte should have been his own side with a desire for power over everything, the chaos emeralds and the master emeralds may give great power but that's about it. Infinite having the desire to mold and control the world and its people how he sees fit and the Phantom Ruby provides that. The Ruby should have been a hidden gem that Infinite spent his life hunting down and with it in his possession the world would be his. This would have been a great way to have tails create a counterfeit like he did in SA2 to counter him. Sonic stories always have more tension and compelling story when the dumb genius that Eggman is is not the big bad( he lost that cred after 06).

I would've loved to see Tails in the Rival Vigilante role in the early parts of this game, y'know, doing his best to try to be a replacement for Sonic but in his own way. You would have him hating the resistance because of those old memories and adopting a new identity that would hide who he is, you could also have the resistance trying to track him down because he's causing problems. That would've been great to see, heck, he could've even been one of the bosses and you would find out it's Tails you beat the boss.

Mighty Emperor: The Movie

i enjoyed sonic forces for what it was, but i really hope this is an alternate time line and classic sonic just so happened to get warped into this timeline. i really hope sonic frontiers doesn't continue the storyline from forces.

Sonic Legs Was Locked Up

Wait a second, wasn't Green Hill in another dimension? Like yes it appeared in Generations but that wasn't Sonic's world, it was just an area among others but not the actual place.

5 YEARS LATE SQUAD WHERE YOU AT?!?!?!?!?!?!??!??!?!?!?

What's worse in your opinion? 06 or Lost World? I'm not sure if I can answer this myself. Lost World is designed like (bleep), and it's easily the worst designed Sonic game (Yes, worse than anything that one could imagine). Yet, 06 still is also an unpleasant experience for the majority of its runtime. I really can't decide. P-06 is an absolute blast, but it's not what SEGA released.

Honestly love this review and I think that honestly it could've done so much more, but poeple are stating inifnite should come back which honestly is a terrible because one they have no intention of bringing him back and want him dead, and he would somehow be....inside the phantom ruby....which was destroyed...and now Classic sonic is leaving even though hebwas late by litteral months, and arrived in completly different places, anyways inifnite coming back, dude cant be a villian unless he loose the overpowered world ending powers that no onebtruely knows what they are or he comes back and is beaten by friendship but thats just me

I think what it meant infinite took them out though what espio seems to act like he’s saying for the past 6 months they’ve basically been twiddling their thumbs

1:13:05 Nah Sonic Adventure 1 is de best game, just for the simple fact Sonic stages are one of the best levels designed in 3D games. They feel the closest to Classic level design but now even more fun since 3D allows to create your own cool shortcuts! Shame that even SA2 level design started to become linear and we never experienced SA1 level design

Overall, which Sonic stories do you think were good post-SA2? Just asking. I like Sonic Riders' story. I also like the story of 06 but I think I did make it clear that the story is pretty flawed (and not because 'human kisses a hedgehog'). Black Knight had a solid enough story. It's not as good as people say it is and the story could've been more interesting (I think that SEGA mandated that Sonic stories had to be very simple after the failure of 06. It actually makes a lot of sense when you come to think about it.). I personally think that's it. Also, what do you like about Blaze so much, thinking that she is the best female character in the series.

would you do a subscriber special review on sonic lost world 3ds even if it was a 100 thousand subscriber special

26:04 i agrre with that becuase they made tails a total wimp but don't is that you use choas 4 as an exmple of tails being strong enough to handle chaos zero a better example would be the egg walker at the end of tails's story especialy since he actively engourages himself to stand up and fight at the start

I hate that no one cares that sonic is back tails went SONIC and hugged sonic I excepted Amy to something like that and it could make a great cutscene

30:34 Still better story then Forces

Not the back of the game because well it’s terrible and I literally agree with everything you said, in this video but if you look here you can actually see sonic’s legs were actually cuffed like his arms 34:12 at least Sega wasn’t that lazy?

I just hope that SEGA doesn't disappear with infinite after sonic forces, he's a character with so much potential, the pre sonic forces mini comics told his origin story much better, and I'd like to see the character in a next game being better developed.

Technically...Tails was outnumbered in Unleashed by New enemies, it was 7 Vs 1 and have you seen that Titan in action? He's way too strong for Tails and even if you increase the Werehog's Life and stuff, that Monster will still destroy you THEN Eggman did technically rule the world with his company Robotnik Corp in the first two Riders games, he helped make Team Sonic's Extreme Gears and I bet it was profitable with loads of customers getting an Extreme Gear tailored to them & their styles but also there's MeteorTech, a Security Robot Company and these machines are used by the city in Megalo Station and onward.

Ok I know I already commented but I deleted the thread out of frustration because I felt like I wasn't being heard out with my points on episode Shadow so I want to expand on some points as to why none of the justifications for Shadow make sense to me. 1.) There's no definitive proof that Infinite does or doesn't care about the jackal squad but I feel like there's less proof that he doesn't and you can still make rash decisions out of greed and simultaneously still care about someone. Plus I personally feel like if Infinite didn't care about them, they wouldn't be with him. And because Forces was literally written backwards, I don't think that's sufficient evidence to prove he didn't care. No one's right or wrong but that's what I think. 2.) I compared Infinite losing the jackal squad to Shadow losing Maria because even if the circumstances leading to their deaths are completely different, it doesn't change the outcome. Shadow still killed the people Infinite was associated with. 3.) This is actually a point I really don't like. I know a lot of people say Shadow killed the jackal squad out of self defense and I would get that if he killed Infinite too. But he didn't, despite Infinite intending to kill Shadow as well. What I'm trying to get across is that it doesn't make sense for him to not kill Infinite if he did it to the jackal squad for attacking him first. Because Infinite did that too and it just reinforces my point that Shadow killed them for no reason. Sorry that was long but I felt the need to clarify because that last argument especially kind of bothers me. And I'm not just saying this because I like Infinite but because the justifications of Shadow in episode Shadow don't make sense. It's just bad writing all around and there's no way to justify it other than to just rewrite Forces as a whole

This could work if only gun existed that could explain why he was gone he was protecting the world also cmon shadow is great in this game for me his 06 level of characterisation he respects sonic and is buddy buddy with omega and rouge just like his relationships in 06

I don't understand why after Forces, instead of being distant from that game's identity such the lazy writing, short length, simplistic level desgin, overly easy difficulty, and gimmicky wisps. It happened with 06 and how they wanna stray away from it with the overly safe Colors and Generations, so you may think they would do it again after Forces and straying away what Colors and Generations brought to the series? But no, they re-release Sonic Colors and we know how well that turned out. With the failures of Forces and Colors Ultimate it seems like the wotld is telling Sega to ditch the overly safe nature for Sonic in the past decade and actually try next time with the 2022 game, I'm sorry if I come out as a pessimist but I'm really skeptical if the next game is gonna be good or not, and in all honesty most likely will not.

14:04 eventho i do agree that tails should be doing more even if he had jump in tails is nowhere near as strong as sonic at most he could keep chaos at bay but that would leave sonic with two characters that are proven to be on part with him one character that we dont even know how powerful he is compared to the other sonic characters and one new character that sonic can't even touch plus tails figureing out what makes infinite work is vital information that could greatly help him beating him it just so happens that the phantom ruby is way too complex for his tech to figure out

Tho I will say what a bunch of chickens do something doesn’t feel like eggman took over should have used shadow and chaos illusions if we are getting boss battles do something with them

i just realized this review is about as long as the main game lmao pathetic from sega

34:46 they did restrain sonic's ankles you just can't see it

26:11 This is a line that I keep hearing about and I have to always disagree with. *Sigh* Ok, where to start. Remember the Sonic Adventure stories? Remember one important detail? Is that a lot of them self contradict each other, or more specifically, the main trio contradict one another. You fight Chaos 4 *depending on who you play* if you play As any character, say Sonic, you will NOT see anyone else fight Chaos 4, plus the cutscene doesn't even suggest that other two will help the character you play as. So what does it mean? It means that we can't use Tails beating Chaos 4 as definite feat he did. So let's try to find out what is the canon story. Best place to start is Gamma, he's a robot that lacks humans flaws like lying or bad memory, he's a r o b o t what reason he has to lie? Sure he gains some sort of human emphasy but that doesn't mean he'd lie. And what do we see when playing as him? We see him *beat Sonic* ... ONLY Sonic. That means that canonically Sonic has lost that battle, and if not for Amy he'd d*e. And remember, tails wasn't there.We can see Tails absence in orev boss fights in Sonic story. That means that it's very v e r y unlikely he fought Chaos 4. It'd be weird for him to not be afraid of *CHAOS, THE GOD OF DESTRUCTION* but be afraid to fight tin can looking Eggman robot? This also works thematically since the whole Tails story is about him growing independent and fighting his own fights... Which only happened when he was racing Eggman. So TL;DR Before Eggman boss fight and chase in Tails story, he, as a kid was imagining himself in Sonic's place fighting monsters, just what lil boys do when watching their idols, they sometimes see themselves fighting monsters. But when he got seperated, only THEN he grew a backbone and became badass, plus both Sonic and Knuckles story have no Tails fighting Knuckles nor Chaos 4, two witnesses vs 1 have more validity, this all proves that Tails very likely never fought Chaos 4. At best he helped a bit while two power houses, Sonic n Knuckles pummeled him. That does NOT validate him covering in fear of Chaos 0 in Forces tho, I'm just clarifying that he doesn't have a confirmed feat of beating Chaos 4