Excellent comparison. I like the fact you went over many of the parts doing comparisons. I've managed to speak with people involved in the changes. The reason the ff12 moved the hydraulic tank down was to combat overheating. They still need a fan, but run much cooler than the h12. The valve body is higher flow. I machined some new spools for a friend and was shocked to find they didn't fit. I took one of the sections off his and the passages were noticeably smaller. A number of the ff12 units I've seen came with the larger 10 or 12cc pump and hydraulic filter. You can tell they were made slightly different because the argotek units rotated the power unit to fit a 2 stage pump. Some have a boxed blade like your h12 but it is wider and heavier gauge, but with the plate type supports. The undercarriage is also heavier gauge with a larger motor mounting plate. I've also seen some of the ff units with a cast lower similar to the h12 but compatible with the rest of their flimsy body panels. The reason for the frame on the ff12 was that they were trying to get rops certification, but I didn't get clarification on them achieving it.
Thanks for a new video! Congrats on the new machine 👍 I like that extra width of the FF12 for working in the woods for more stability. The counter weight of the H12 is really nice. Filter and the bigger hydraulic tank is nice for the FF. I was on the fence about buying the QH12 or the Rippa 1Ton. But overnight all the QH12 on EBay jumped up about $300 so that finally made my decision to buy the Rippa, for only about $400 more, it’s got a hydraulic thumb with 3way valves on the boom, hydraulic lines run in the boom, a fan in the engine bay with the tread on hydraulic filter. Hope it’s a good little machine. Thanks again and once get time in on the mini I plan on making a review, I will give your channel a big shout out. You are definitely making the best videos I have found on these machines! Thank you! 👍
I'm not even in the market for one of these but was curious when I saw your video advertised, so watched it. Very well done, very informative, pleasant demeanor. Heck, now I want one, though I'd have to find something that needed digging but I bet that would happen. Thank you much.
I own a FF-12 and you are correct, it's a bitch to get the engine cover off. When I did finally got it off, I threw the bolts in my tool chest, purchased a 12" piano hinge and a couple of latches. Now I have easy access to the engine. I also installed a couple of BMX footpegs on the front roof cover supports about 2-3" up to place my feet for support. Also, the hydraulic knuckle for the bucket has the grease nipple on the outside, which I broke off the first time I used it! I unbolted the knuckle, spun the rod 180o putting the fitting on the inside protecting it from being knocked off again. I have a few more mods I want to do but will have to wait until the weather gets a little warmer. Keep up the videos..
I too did the hinge mod on my QH12 as well as the hydraulic thumb kit and 2- 8 inch radiator fans, a push and a pull. Kinda worried me when I look in there and the gas is boiling. I like the footpeg idea, I'm borrowing that from you and on mine the knuckle fitting was already on the inside. Good Luck! PS: You can shop carefully, I got the QH12 last year at a Ritchie Bro auction for $3700 and it had a spin on filter. Also if anyone does the hydraulic thumb kit and needs an adapter fitting, Discount Hydraulics: 9001-16-14; $10.58 ea. - your welcome
The AGT QH12 has a Briggs & Stratton lawnmower engine that works the hydraulics and tracks. It is slow and bounces and vibrates and it is noisy. Depth is 5.4 feet but I recommend not to dig deeper than 2 1/2 to 3 feet for safety reasons. Parts are made in China. If taken care of and not abused and not left outdoors uncovered, it will last several years. You will need earplugs, hopefully you do not have back problems, this machine is not good if you have kidney problems. It takes nearly 2 hours to dig a 6 foot long and 2 1/2 foot deep trench. As mentioned it is not fast. It is not a child's toy and needs to be careful around objects because it is made of steel. Cost ranges from $6,000 to $8,000 New and Used is $4,000 to $5,000. If you paid more than $6,000 then you have been had.
Definitely must be the operator as I have that machine! it's very fast strong and what took you 2hrs to dig lol I can do in 30 min so much better than your making it out to be Dig as deep it it will no trouble will lift 2k with blade down..very impressive!
I own an FF12. OMG that rear cover! I took it off once, then quickly looked for and purchased some adjustable hardpoint clamps, installed them, and never put the old bolts back in. I can now remove the rear cover in under four seconds and it's perfectly secure. It took me an hour and a half to remove that cover the first time and I vowed that I'd never bolt that thing back on again.
Thanks for your review. You rock . I love the fact you truly compare the different model. I bought an ht30 last summer and like it because heavier and wider. But I wish I would have been able to see review just like yours before I pulled the trigger because only few features I would had made sure I had chosen . Keep making videos. Your are truly knowledgeable and helping more people's you can think of.
The community around these machines is what ultimately convinced me to buy one. It's reassuring there's such an enthusiastic knowledge base out there. I'm also absolutely in for a filter kit. I'd even be down to preorder if that helps fund the R&D.
You are right about the high cost of parts but, they're a lot cheaper than bigger or, name brand machine, components. A cooler for a Kubota would be 4x.
Appreciate the comparison of these machines. I'm considering purchase of one in the near future. I've got a dealer maybe 20 miles from me who is selling the FF12 machines. After watching this video, I like what I see on the H12 unit better. The counter weight, and the reinforced blade seem like a better option to me over the other unit. I do like the thumb on the FF12 better though. Either unit would serve me as this will just be used around my home, but the H12 just seems the better choice to me.
I have a QH12R and it looks identical to that ff im superised i found this video cause i was not expecting your comments on the h12 as my qh12r has everything the ff seems to have as an upgrade ..
I too bought the QH12R with the RATO engine. The two kits (cooler with filter) he has available for sale will not fit our machine. Hoping he has them in the near future, cause my hydraulic fluid is getting EXTREMELY hot.
How much does the H12 weigh? Is the counter weight very heavy? I looked at the specs for the QH12 and it weighs 1,800 pounds. I figure the H12 is heavier.
My QH12 came with a spin-on hydraulic filter and you also overlooked the blade sets out further on the QH12 which increases the lift power when used as an outrigger opposed to the counter weight. The ff12 also doesn't operate the posthole auger well due to the low volume from the small lines.
I have an MAVI VA12S. I can't find manuals. The hydraulic tank is on the right side under foot. Is this an H model or QH? Which oil cooler/filter assembly do I need? I would also like to buy the pressure gauge set up. I believe the auxiliary hoses are 1/2" O.D. threads, the same as the boom cylinders. I also want to purchase the flat faced quick disconnects. Thank you. Perfect videos!
I'm buying a FF12 next week and am in need of the brush cutter and auger attachment. The company I am buying it from is currently out of both attachments and said they should have more in within the next few months. I did some searching online and saw AGT's website. They have both attachments for the 1 ton mini excavator and I was hoping they would work on the FF12. The person I am getting the FF12 from said the bolt is 255mm and I need to make sure they attachment bolt is the same. Are you familiar with the attachments for the FF12 and if the AGT ones would work?
I just picked up my FF12 from auction last week and much to my surprise it included a filter already installed. I'm planning to install a fan and a hydraulic cooler, but nice to see they're improving these machines.
Fantastic video. I'm looking at a buying either a LandHero 12 or a LandHero LDH-KV16. Do you know if your hydraulic filter and cooler will fit either or both? Also interested in the drive motor protection kit. Fit?
Hi, I just picked up a FF12 here in CT. The one question I have today Is. My hydraulic tank is under floor on the right and it came equipped with a hydraulic filter mounted in the engine compartment mounted to the right , between the engine and the throttle. Before I try to add extra cooling to the engine, I am looking for an effective way to cool it Should add two fans to the shroud or install an oil cooler. Thanks in advance.
The Chinese share a lot of commonality in components between models. That is the smart way to do it. We used to do that in america before our engineers became so stupid.
This was an excellent video. You apologized for the camera work, but professional camera work would not have made a notable improvement. Thanks for the detailed comparison.
I’ve got one just like the yellow one and I have a whining in The pump or valve body when under load would you have an idea what it may be at appreciate it 7:39 PM
Had a peek at the last RB auction and noticed some changes to the FF-12/13 models with the 2014.1 date stamp on the data plate… they are coming with filters in them now and a few other machines I looked at had hydraulic coolers and filters in them but I don’t recall the brand name on those but I want to say they were possibly CH12’s…
Now I know why the one ex goes for 5 to 1000 more at auctions thanks for explaining I have a u35 Kubota which I absolutely love but was thinking of buying a 10 but $$ for about I would use these go for I have seen $3500 to 45 at auction not bad price for the 30 for kubota
I've got an H15 on the way, but definitely trying to figure out the alphabet soup has been intimidating. Also, this gives me an idea of what things I need to look for and how to work with it. There's no manuals online that I've been able to find, and don't know what will come with it, so I'm in the dark. Definitely had not thought about mods, but it's obvious that a hinged or latched rear cover is in the cards.
Hey Cam, thanks for the video. I bought an FF12 last summer and there is zero videos on RU-vid on that particular one. I have an entire summers worth of work done with mine and it’s been awesome. I’d like to get some different buckets for mine, however I’m curious if they’re interchangeable between all these machines. I’d also like a hydraulic thumb. Do you have any plans to mod yours or detail comparisons between buckets and thumbs?
The thick solid steel arms on the blade are a lot better than the box tubing arms!!!!! I have seen those box tubing arms break even on a cat machine!!!!!
I'm guessing all these machines are coming out of various "State" run factories, using the same state sourced parts... What would explain the assorted variants excluding those units brought over to the U.S.A. and upgraded domestically?
I have the ff12 and my log splitter cam with an extra filter setup that I'd like to use for the ff12. Do you happen to know what din adapters I would need for return hose to the filter in and out? Thanks and really great videos!
Thanks for the in depth comparison I've been wanting to get one of these and you answered alot of the questions I had . Leaning towards the ff12. I wonder if the flow on the aux to say like an auger would be better with the larger line size or if the pump is the limiting factor. As I m wanting to put a auger on what ever I get.
36” gate is the actual size of the swinging part of the gate. Figure 1” on each side for clearance and hinges in a chain link fence, 38” overall width of the opening
Great videos, but where do you get attachments for the AGT's? from their website it looks like the pins are at 90mm by 92mm wide not seeing any other attachments that size only groundhog attachments come close at 88.9mm x 88.9mm wide??
There is 3 different body type a,b,c. The h12 is the b version. I had the ht10b it has the counter weight in back. AGT has one that has a hydraulic filter built in already. Dont remember the number it is.
Hey-really great video series. I’m very close to pulling the trigger on one of these, so your vids have been crazy valuable. I’ve narrowed down my choices to the QH12 or H12. Leaning toward the H12. Despite AGT saying they’re both the same, but just “look different”, they’re clearly quite different. Aside from the stuff you’ve pointed out so far, I’m finding some differences in the operational specs. So I’m wondering if you might do a comparison vid where you take measurements of the various functions, such as max boom height, max digging depth, etc. The specs I’ve found show some definite differences, but who knows how accurate the data is? Might also be good to dig into the actual specs of the B&S engine to see if it’s truly a 13.5hp unit.
The engines are true Briggs units, and as far as I can tell the h12 will lift more before tipping over due to the counterweight, and the qh12 seems to overheat the fluid a bit faster
The models seem to change some every year. The general stuff like the weight in the h12 stay the same but other things are subjected to change. If you get one like I did at the time they changing from the 23 to 24 model, you get one that's made up parts from both models which can cause some issues but nothing serious.
I have just got the L12 (AGT Industrial) and it seems to be an evolution of the H12. Main differences. The entire rear enging cover including the seat hinges up, great engine access. It also includes a hydraulic radiator with fan. Otherwise mostly the same.
Great video, I noticed a hydraulic gauge and needle type flow valve. Did you have trouble finding the right size? I’ve got a valve coming and several adapters/ unions together to get it to fit.
@@thegarageconnection Thank you for the time and effort you have put into these video's. I recently bought a QH12 (last week) and am still going through it to prevent damage. Tightening bolts, wrapping lines, changing oils... I was torn on the counterweight on the H12 vs. the QH12. The prices at the auction drove me to the QH. I'll have to fab some weight as I see the value in counterweights. Do you have a link to your cooling kits. I have a built in filter already. Also, can you list a source for the needle valve and hydraulic gauge (hoping they are same size fittings as my machine). Many thanks!
Scratch that, mine does not have Eaton drive motors, the tag is made to look like it says Eaton, until you look close. Oh well, it drives forward and back just fine.
