I love Vincent's humor, free flowing and low. It takes me by surprise! Explaining how he no longer will judge lines in the supermarket completely caught me off guard, lol!
Hi, Vincent. I just wanted to let you know that I admire your vernacular pronunciation alterations of the letter “Z” when discussing the European & American Sony model names. It’s a small detail, but one that is much appreciated! Keep up the good work! 👍👍
@@matt-f1c DisplayPort 1.4 caps out at 98Hz for gaming in 4K HDR with full Chroma 4:4:4. Sure you can game higher than 98Hz now in 4K but you sacrifice Chroma 4:4:4 along with I believe HDR if you want to go higher than 120Hz. We need DisplayPort 2.0 to arrive to enjoy 4K HDR 144Hz gaming with full Chroma 4:4:4. HDMI 2.1 will only deliver 4K HDR 120Hz with Chroma 4:4:4 if I'm not mistaken.
I wish Samsung would start talking about 8K 120fps using Display Stream Compression. I've read that DSC is extremely low latency, and the image quality loss is minimal. Supposedly the Tokyo Olymics is going to be broadcast in this standard, but one of my biggest worries is that people try to compromise with 60fps instead of 120fps. Once you get to 8K resolution your framerate becomes even more important because Motion Blur is the enemy of Image Sharpness.
This was brilliant! Thank you so much. Finally someone who will be informative and detailed without bias. This was perfect. Very clearly outlined for us. Don’t worry about a predicting incorrectly. We should just celebrate that it did come out so soon. I didn’t expect it. I don’t think many of us did.
You do a fantastic job Vincent. I find your videos to be among the most helpful and have the most practical knowledge for the end user. Great stuff! Keep em coming.
Thx 4 that discussion Vincent.. I for one, as an average consumer found the info very helpful.. As to why I'm procrastinating on my television purchase, I will have to get back to you on that... 😎👍
Variable Refresh Rate is DEFINITELY one of the most important new features. I just got Freesync working on my PC (make sure Image Scaling is done on your GPU and not by the Display) and indeed I can attest that framerate dips to 55fps are totally imperceptible. 50fps is noticeable and 45fps is pretty obvious, you will still "see" framerate dips if they're bad enough, but in terms of overall benefit to the average game there is no doubt that "VRR" (Variable Refresh Rate) is going to be one of the defining technologies of the Next Generation.
I would say that 4K120hz and VRR together would be a critical feature to have, and for anyone interested in Sports and Racing that is definitely the case that 120hz will be a critical feature in a few years, but with common action games the development studios for those products are "very" slow to adopt higher framerates. The average "AAA" game like Assassin's Creed is most likely to live in the 45fps-60fps range using VRR to enable smooth gameplay instead of trying to go "60fps Locked" or above. Basically what we're seeing with Resident Evil 2 Remake on base PS4 today is probably going to become the new standard, where base hardware almost never reaches 60fps, and hardware upgrades around 2025 will boost things to 60fps and above.
Next gen consoles will do 4K @ 60 fps max for AAA & AA games. Any body expecting 4K @ 120fps is living in denial. So having HDMI 2.1 is good but not having one on your TV set won't be a deal breaker for console gamers.
eARC is going to play a major role in 2020. All receivers and soundbars do support 4k 120 passthrough as of now and xbox series x and PS5 would definitely support Variable refresh rate and HFR. So if you have eARC on your TV then with these consoles you can connect these consules to your TV and connect reciever to your eARC HDMI input and take advantage of both HFR, VRR and also High quality PCM and dolby atmos from both games and bluray movies
48G bandwidth is important for Console Gamers who plan on upgrading to PS5 or Xbox Next in 2020. It's pretty much guaranteed that 120hz will become the new high end standard for sports games, at least Racing Simulators and Rocket League for sure, but FIFA and Madden "should" be an easy fit for 4K120fps support.
@@daxecutioner24 Part of the point here is that "HDMI 2.1" is a bit of a nebulous concept. Anything with VRR or ALLM technically is "HDMI 2.1", but that doesn't necessitate 4K120 compatibility.
@@daxecutioner24 And yes theoretically Xbox X "Should" be able to do 4K120 right now, just the displays and software to take advantage of it aren't on the market yet. Ideally Microsoft would make a small $5 game just as a proof of concept for people to test their new TVs.
This is beyond wrong. 60FPS has only just barely become a norm for console gaming outside of sports titles. They aren't about to jump from 60 to 120 especially when only a small percentage of televisions can support it.
Hi Vincent, love the channel, thank you for doing all this great work! Will you discuss the topic of A/V receivers in the context of HDMI2.1, or even just A/V receivers in general? I've always been conflicted about whether to connect my sources directly to the TV and rely on ARC to the receiver for sound (which limits me to compressed audio and only 3 sources on my LG, but a cleaner user experience and per-source calibration and mode switching), or whether to hook everything up to the A/V receiver and just use the TV as a monitor (which sometimes causes signal quality issues, especially when passing 4K Dolby Vision through, and forces a single calibration setting for all sources, but allows for the best uncompressed sound and up to 7 sources). There seem to be big tradeoffs either way. What's your preferred setup, and why? What do you think about A/V receivers in general? Would love to see a video on this topic. Thanks & keep up the fantastic work! (FWIW, my setup is a 65" LG E8, a 2016 Denon AVR-X6300H A/V receiver, and 5 sources: cable, Apple TV 4K, PS3, PS4 Pro, and Xbox One X.)
Vincent we need that side by side comparison of Dolby vision vs HDR10+ with two Panasonic oleds and two Panasonic 4k Blu-ray players one running Dolby vision the other running HDR 10 plus your the best at this .
seems like 2019 HDMI 2.1 is something I really don't need at all at the moment, especially since my 2018 Q8FN already has ALLM and VRR. Looks like I'm good for the next 5-8 years.
Yea but you really don't unless all you ever plan to play is Xbox one x. The "proper" formats will be adopted by the new consoles as well a future pc gpu. There's no guarantee of your set handling these proper devices. But good luck!
I think e-ARC is going to be really crucial as it allows users to use their display as their main hub for devices and the receiver as just a pure audio device. This way, once you have a receiver with e-ARC you don't have to upgrade it every time you buy a new display with new video features.
If you game on consoles, and plan on getting the new Playstation or Xbox, which are coming out in 2020, They use HDMI 2.1 and supposedly support either 8k at 24 hz, or 4K at 120 hz. Since 8k and 4k doesn't really matter as much in actual practical testing as the TV, but 120 hz would make a big difference.
For Xbox One X gamers that use a receiver, it is important to have VRR and eARC. My understanding is you run your game console (Xbox One X supports VRR) to your TV and use eARC to run full sound to your receiver. I don't think a receiver is available that will transmit VRR from console to a TV (if ever). Therefore, to have VRR and best audio quality, a TV that supports VRR and eARC is the way to go for those with a Xbox One X.
Such a narrow band of 48-60Hz is only useful for console games that run at 60 fps and never dip under 48 fps. It's totally useless for games that run at 30 fps (most games still at 4K).. I dunno how HDMI 2.1 VRR works exactly but I hope it supports the full range of Hz any TV supporting it runs at..
so basically I've been waiting HDMI 2.1 for the past 12 months to acknowledge I don't need it; basically if you don't play any video games and don't need eARC, 2.1 is not required.
Not quite ... currently you can say we are just LUCKY for being able to watch Dolby Vision mastered content from UHD Bluray ... because this is NOT standardised with HDMI 2.0b (only HDR10 is) ... but it WILL be with HDMI 2.1. So, with HDMI 2.1 you can buy any player and tv combination and Dolby Vision or HDR10+ will work "out-of-the-box" ... guaranteed. Thanks to OPPO and LG we can enjoy this already since mid of 2017 ... without being standardised...
@@PSYCHOV3N0M eARC is for all people who want to reduce the number of their cables... Without ARC you always have to use TWO cables ... HDMI for video signal PLUS KOAX or TOS-link for the audio signal. It doesn't matter whether an AVR is used or a sound bar...
Finally a mention of eARC and the mandated lip/sync correction. This really needs more focus. Lip sync issues with regular ARC can be really quite bad yet I never see any mention of these issues in reviews. Manufacturers really haven’t been held to account here, LG in particular don’t seem to really give a toss. I really hope eARC solves this issue forever.
As ARC is not specified for being used with HDMI 2.0 connections it's kind of gambling and you are just lucky when it actually works. HDMI 2.1 will specify and standardise this function (forever as you said^^) ... in the meantime I think the safest way is to trust in separate digital sound cables/connections KOAX or Toslink...
So so helpful, just having coronary after buying LG B9 and wondering if I need to find an AVR to make use of all the HDMI 2.1 features. You put my mind a rest
7:20 - Not really true. Many HTPC media players support VRR in fullscreen mode to ensure no dropped frames or stutters. It also allows you to switch from a 24p source to a 60p source without the screen going blank to change refresh modes. I've tested it with Freesync monitors and I thought how cool it would be when a TV supports VRR.
Hi Vincent, As this video is a bit older I thought I ask you again about hdmi 2.1. I bought the Sonos Arc Surround sound system but my tv does only support Dolby digital plus but not Atmos. I am considering buying a new tv now and wondering if it’s enough to buy the TCL 65 C715 (Support D.Atmos but only via HDMI 2.0) or if I should buy the new LG Nano Cell which already has eARC. Do you think I hear a noticeable difference when watching a D Atmos movie on Netflix if I have TV with eARC with the Sonos Arc considering that the streaming quality on Netflix is not the same quality as on a Blue ray dvd??? I would highly appreciate your feedback in this case. Thank you in advance. Sven
I use my TV as a PC monitor so full bandwidth and VRR HDMI 2.1 implementation are a must for my next TV. Still waiting until at least 2020 to get my next set though. Need to wait for a GPU with true HDMI2.1 support anyway and also want to see what the non-OLED high end TVs have to offer in the next couple years in the 50"-ish size range.
great video, this is why I jumped on the 65c8 @ 1800 usd after tax I COULD NOT pass it up, even knowing 2.1 was looming but the features make no sense as I game on my pc and only use the tv for movies/tv/sports thanks bro keep up the great work I hope you sort out the funding issue you touched on a month ago
@@ayyjayy5018 Thanks. Was this during the last few days? I heard a rumor you can haggle them real good at the tail end of every jan. to meet end of the year targets.
I've been saying this for a while, we already have some of the best hdmi 2.1 features in 2018 Samsung TV's and xbox one x, unless you need 4k/120hz and if you have a system that supports it.
I can see eArc being useful for the FireStick 4K TV and other devices like it. I ran into some issues when trying to connect it directly to my receiver for DTS-HD audio. Maybe the hdmi cable going into the TV was not up to the proper standard but I was running into lower resolutions, sound desyncs, and things that just were not happening when I used the same cable with ARC.
I’m just as excited about the gaming enhancements HDMI 2.1 brings. But sadly no a/v receivers for this year have full support, and zero have VRR. I don’t see anyone bringing that up as a concern, do that many of you game directly from your console to the tv?
Very useful information and summary here. Thank you so much. I know you will be doing a direct shootout between A UHD BD displayed on a HDR10+ capable TV (Panasonic) vs. a HDR10 TV (LG) with its internal processing to create similar results, and I can't wait.
hey I have little to no clue when it comes to all this tech stuff so I simply wanted to know is it worth it to buy a 2019 model smart tv? do they already support hdmi 2.1 or should I wait another year or two? 4K and high refresh rate is very important to me especially because of the upcoming ps5 and vr I’d love to hear your advice
Thanks Vinny for another value content video. Here's my view from someone who is streaming junkie (Netflix) and console gamer. Both of my sources of content may change from month to month to year (Netflix may give option to people with high internet bw loss less, Sony/Xbox releasing new consoles with shorter cycles). If I am to pay for a premium OLED I expect to keep for at least 6-7 years. The specifications are out, chipset out...sorry no excuse for manufacturers to not have this in their roadmap for flagship models. It's just lazy planning. I'll wait for 2019 for more options (ahem receiver manufacturers---hello).
Both the AF9 and ZF9 sony TV's from last year support eARC. As i understand it, you need eARC at the TV end and at your AV reciever to get Dolby Atmos to work if you are watching a Netflix or Amazon Prime film/programme that has Dobly Atmos, assuming you are getting the film/program via a ethernet cable or maybe wireless through your TV. Prime has little content with Atmos, we're as Netflix has loads so if your connected via the above to get Atmos, eARC at both ends is essential as is a HDMI cable for HDCP 2.2. The rest of the HDMI 2.1 standard is a waste of time unless you game and i don't.
Vincent Samsung just released info on their new qled 2019 line-up. I would be very interested if you could make a video on the information in their release. And see how it lines up with your earlier statements about the test room at ces. Seems like there are some very interesting things in there like the ultra viewing angle advertisement. Which seems in line with what you reported earlier.
Get Sony AF8 now or wait for A8G & C9? Does the A8G come with significant improvements affecting daily viewing experience? Is the ALB is still as bad? The ALB is my only concern with getting A8F now.
Put it short, what u meant to say it all depends on the source of your content and not the hardware...but its always good to have a ready hardware on standby just in case the source can support higher bandwith
Vincent, were you really wrong about no HDMI 2.1 TVs at CES? Were there any TVs there which had working HDMI 2.1 ports? LG has announced models, but maybe they won't be available until late 2019?
I totally agree ... as chip production will start in March it is (still) impossible having tv sets with HDMI 2.1 at CES (or better: prior to April 2019). So, Vincent was 100% right ! WHAT he didn't mention: HDMI 2.1 tv sets getting ANNOUNCED at CES ... well , IMHO there is still a difference between announcing and actually providing... Nothing has changed since he made this (well researched) statement ... no need for Vincent to apologise at all...
@@Sh1ekk Not only that, but how fucking bright does anyone need a TV to be? Anyone using their TV inside and not in DIRECT SUNLIGHT shouldn't need their brightness that high.
And HDMI 2.1 finally allows panels to display 10 bit 4:4:4 RGB/YUV color without sub sampling, resulting in less color banding/artifacts that have plagued various content on 10bit panels throttled by HDMI 2.0's 18gbps.
Can you talk in some video little bit about HLG format which seems to be starting to be popular for video cameras to capture HDR. Can support of this be updated to current TVs?
So why is this a big thing when Displayport 1.4 seems to, at least for 4k144hz, do what HDMI does already? Especially with Displayport 2.0 coming out sometime soon™ with _much_ more bandwidth than HDMI 2.1?
eARC is the biggest one I want/need. And it appears to be the most difficult to implement. :( My C7P will never support it anyway, but my AVR does. So I guess my next TV will presumably be able to utilize eARC when the time comes.
I was waiting for hdmi 2.1 for a long time but gave up. I get dolby vision on my sony x9000f and I get dolby atmos over ARC from netflix. I have an atmos setup and a dolby vision tv anf it gives me everything I could want. I gave up pc gaming which is he only place where hdmi 2.1 would be useful to me. 4k at 60hz with 10/12 bit rgb and hdr would have been great. But that is an absolute niche scenario and you are in an endless hardware race to run the latest games like that.
Sony’s top TVs don’t have HDMI 2.1 including the Oleds , makes the LG C9 worth buying ? I have the 65’ C9 and 55’ C6. What do you recommend? My pric3 limit is $2,600
Vincent the 2017 LG OLEDS have had an update 05.80.15 which has caused any 4k 50hz device plugged in via HDMI 2.0 to get WASHED OUT colours (desaturation bug) ... Can you please test this out yourself and see if you can get LG to fix this bug.
@@pioneer2321 @ lets be honest!!.. of what nursing your bias butthurt... come on.. move on a relate to reality and deal with it...LCD smearing, LCD ghosting, LCD off axis sftifting, LCD light bleed.. etc etc.. if you prefer that then buy yourself an LCD.. no panel tech is perfect, but hence picture quality we see from LG WOLED panels are the closest by fare, perhaps a new tech also with black control on a pixel level will change that picture, but thats not the case these years for the avarage consumer....
Hello sorry to bother you I know you are busy but i have just bought a lg 49sm9000 not the best of tvs but im happy with it any opinions on the calibration?
Sony does the same as ALLM but in the oposite way. you run gamemode on console and cause of the different framerates of movie content, it switches to movie mode and back after you done. so for example on the XE9305 it works the same as ALLM but from the other side of the modes ^^.
We need your help.Sony released Oreo update on atv2 Android tv's.Unfortunately all Sony did was to release an update with no optimization at all.Major bugs are present like Arc is not working, audio pasdthrough breaks the OS and freezes the tv, google assistant makes the tv very slow almost unresponsive and many many more bugs.Please can you test the new Oreo update and make a video about it?Sony is completely ignoring medium budget buyers.
Vincent, almost all 4K gaming monitors already support 4K at 120hz (98hz with HDR) through DisplayPort 1.4. Could you please compare the differences between HDMI 2.1 and DP 1.4?
I’m a pc gamer but eARC is what I need most. Current ARC is unstable. Every time my Samsung NU8000 receives an update It takes two to three days to re-recognize my onkyo receiver. VRR second. 4K 120Hz? Let’s wait for 7nm GPUs then we’ll talk
That's not only a time issue but also a money issue: the C9 - when popped up in the shops in May - will be much more expensive than the C8 currently. As long as you might have the patience to wait another say 9 month it will probably be worth it. Not only due to HDMI 2.1 in the C9, but also because LG in the past always listened to customer needs and reflected them in the new product ... means: the C9 will have some slight but valueable improvements over the C8. So, if waiting for Sep. or Oct. is fine for you...it will probably be worth it.
Excellent information. Just please slow down and enunciate. Some words ran together and I don't really know what you said, so I felt like I missed something, which was frustrating. Otherwise keep making videos and sharing your knowledge.
My 2017 LG UH8500 already changes to game mode when I power on my PS4 Pro, I believe it may be the smart picture setting or something. I guess I got lucky that it also supports Dolby Digital and HDR 10, though it's not true HDR 10 because it uses dithering with an 8 bit panel.
So what about a 12bit panel? I was under the impression that's it's only then there will be any major changes to Dolby vision. Anyways im very happy with my lg c8 and have no plans to upgrade for quite a while.
8k isn't really a noticeable increase in clarity outside of a full theater setting. Not only because of the limitations of human eye resolution, but the limitations of refresh rate (blurring motion). I guarantee that people will notice more details in a full 120hz-mastered movie in 4k, than in an 8k at 30hz or even 60hz. 8k is only better for still images and computer work.
hi Vincent, i am thinking on buying a samsung NU8000 65 inch or a 65 inch TCL617 if it was up to you , what would you pick. i may buy a xbox one x in the future.
With HDMI 2.1, would it be smart to wait to get a 4K player that has HDMI 2.1 built in, or do you think movies will not fully support this? My current player does not support Dolby Vision, and the C9 I will be buying will obviously have Vision. I want to upgrade to the Panasonic UB820, but I don't want to buy it for an updated player to release in 6-12 months that will have HDMI 2.1 if it will help movies and HDR as well.
