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I feel like Kars could beat D4C because Kars would most likely be smart enough not to fight himself, and since hes in the sbr universe he could learn the spin and perfect it to bypass Love Train. For Kars vs MIH (Not counting universe reset as a win), Kars could just have his hamon activated and if Pucci tries to slice him, he would start to melt (Going back to when Kars melts Joseph's knee). Another thing Kars could do is release pollen around himself and infuse his hamon into it, and if someone breaths in that same pollen, their lungs would start to melt.
Stands that I think can beat Goku... Cream Sticky Fingers Anubis Ratt Cheap Trick Atom Heart Father Superfly Enigma Heaven's Door Killer Queen Grateful Dead Beach Boys Baby Face Notorious B.I.G. Green Day Silver Chariot Requiem GER Whitesnake Highway to Hell Heavy Weather Dragons Dream Yo Yo Ma Green, Green, Grass of Home Bohemian Rhaspody C-Moon Made In Heaven Tusk Act 4 Ball Breaker Scary Monsters 20th Century Boys (Stalemate) Cream starter Catch the Rainbow Ticket to Ride d4C:Love Train (I haven't read part 8 yet but from what I have saw and understood, Wonder of U should be able to as well)
Santana was able to figure out how a machine gun works in like 30 seconds, and he's the idiot of the group. Kars is absolutely smart enough to rinse the D'arbys.
Not sure if those two things are really comparable. A machine gun uses set mechanical and chemical principals inherent to reality. A game uses arbitrary rulesets determined by a person. Not saying he wouldn't still figure it out, just that those aren't the same thing.
@@Godoflegos Kars would easily find out if the other guys are cheating via sound waves and his 400 iQ azs. After that he would just use his infinite animalistic powers to cheat back in an untraceable or deniable way. They aren't beating Kars at all.
@@Trollamollex that has nothing to do with what I was saying. Did you even read my post? Of course he could figure out if somebody was cheating, but that isn’t the same as figuring out the rules to a game in a timely manner. This is like the third false equivalency somebody has replied with.
I would like to add something that might be a counter to Rohan. Kars could have his transformed limbs attack him, with the reasoning of “I am not the one attacking you… for the animals given new life by my body are!” And then Rohan would get eaten alive by like a million lions.
Anubis & Kars working together would be terrifying. Anubis would passively increase Kars' speed more and more over time and help him adapt & counter most attacks he couldn't already adapt to.
the question is can anubis use kars intelegence or use the full extent of kars power because otherwise you trade a lot of power and smarts for a good counter and speed that and what counter can anubis over that kars has trouble with but if anubis can use kars to the fullest than it would be more unstoppable than just ulimute kars
@@gearedge Anubis can communicate with Kars if they're working together. He spoke to Chaka and Khan in order to convince them to hold the blade, so if Anubis and Kars are on the same side and Anubis isn't just possessing him like any other Anubis wielder they would be able to work together. Plus DIO was able to convince Anubis to join him without being possessed.
Is Anubis a stand? Why not being a deity confused as a stand, in Thus Spoke Rohan... the supernatural comes into play not always as stands but gods and ghosts if i am not mistaken.
A point I would make in Kars' favor vs. White Album is that Kars did get dropped into an active volcano and pulled some PhD-level scientific bullshit out to survive that. I'm not saying he would use the same method vs extreme cold, but I feel like that's an example where his body adapted VERY quickly.
@@JetowTone Lmao the way the thing would work is that white album guy would freeze him again and again like once a day or smthn or keep him in a freezer room and one day the power cuts out or he forgets about him and Kars comes out fucking pissed
Kars has access to way more than just the animal kingdom. He's also shown to take from the kingdom plantae. Though whether he can also take on the abilities of bacteria, fungi, and other kingdoms is unclear, I wouldn't doubt it.
My personal theory is that bros just HIM and can do anything a living being can do, no like dying and having his soul pass on and then coming back, but like he instantly learned Hamon as soon as he became the ultimate life form, I seriously think he's literally just HIM, if something alive can do it, so can he.
Bruh imagine he won Part 2 and just decided to become a fungus and fill the entire planet with his hyphae while he just contemplates life Kars seems like the kind to surpass his physical limits just to become one with the universe and achieve a higher plane of existence through becoming a vegetable
@@bigpoggers6507 this is why I think all discussions on Kars don't really make sense If he were in part 3 he would, by default, obtain a stand that has the abilities of any stand you can imagine, but better All life forms can have a stand, some even just when they are born, so there is no reason why he shouldn't be able to copy that ability and achieve the Ultimate Stand
If Kars saw The Last Supper during Bohemian Rhapsody, could he lose by being fucking crucified like Jesus? It’s one of the only stories old enough I can think of for Kars to know as well as still be known today.
Even if Seth could effect Kars. Kars would probably just temporarily lose a few centuries off his life since it seems like Seth gradually de-ages by a year or two every second.
Didn’t Alessi describe his ability as causing you to experience time in reverse? That would mean it’s less of a de-aging effect and it more so reverts the target to a previous state
@@_Shadu_ Even if Seth de-age like 10 years per second (and he probably doesn't) Kars have 5 JOJO-seconds to act. Which is more then enough to annihilate Alessi
Some characters, like Polnareff, developed stands without the arrow. Also, the way viruses work is they implant themselves in the host’s dna. So if Kars realizes stands are a thing, I think he can develop multiple stands on his own.
I feel like Kars could actually have a stand. HEAR ME OUT! Araki has gone on record saying 2 things: A) Stands are a natural evolution to Hamon, and B) If we could go back in time and look at young Joseph, he would be surrounded by Hermit Purple when he uses Hamon. Now, what does this have to do with Kars? Well, spoiler for the end of part 2... He can use Hamon. If he can use Hamon, it's only *natural* that he could evolve his Hamon into a Stand. What kind of Stand would Kars have? Well, as the ultimate lifeform, Kars would get the ultimate Stand. Your stands can mess with time? Well mine can *control fate*. Oh, yours can do that, too? Too bad I can just overwrite yours by *going back in time and killing you*. This stand would be the definition of overpowered. And the name of such a ridiculous Stand? *Get Your Gun*, named after the musical "Annie Get Your Gun," which features a song called "Anything You Can Do," sometimes referred to as "Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better." Appearance-wise, it can look however Kars needs/wants it to. Stats are all infinite, like Made In Heaven has for speed.
Kars was already given a stand in the pseudo, not really, canon jojo light novels. It's exactly as broken as you'd think aka, the ability to copy and perfect other stands. Example; He gained access to a submarine stand that emerges from the user's body, but his version manifests as a futuristic/scifi design with an armada of smaller ships as well.
I feel like Kars stomps any part without a Joseph who's at least somewhat able to fight (joseph stomps because he legally cannot die, smokey made it an illegal act)
I don’t think Kars would necessarily lose to C-moon, because it’s not like you can’t move in changed gravity, kars can still fly If it’s constantly changing gravity, yeah
@@weskintime4177 Kars most likely change himself because I don't think a birds have razor sharp wings that can pierce metal like that performed by Kars. So maybe no morbius strips but still possible.
@@weskintime4177 1) He has near perfect Shapeshifting, he isn't just limited to "I'm this animal" he just uses Blueprints A good example would be the Lava thing, sure he used a crab blueprint but no animal has a Human Shaped carapace with airtight air pocket insulation 2)Flatworms
Since the organisms Kars creates seem to function partially independently from him (IE, they still do what he wants but also operate as though they're still separate organisms), the case could be made he has the ability to create souls. Which.. while I don't think I need to explain why that's busted as all hell, I _do_ need to explain that he could probably just make one of the animals he creates pick up Anubis and therefore have it be controlled by it rather than him.
@@GuyWhoWatchesStuff How about 'Kars creating the creatures with intent to escape Rohan's ability...which so happens to kill Rohan'? There's no intent to kill Rohan. Killing Rohan is just an easy way to escape the stand's effects.
If Kars appeared in part 7 or 8 he would become the most broken being in existence after seeing Spin 💀 He is more powerful than horses and has perfect body Manipulation, so he would be able to use spin and hamon together every time 💀
@@filipe_paixaoI think kars can replicate anything organic that he understands or comes up with. And that on a scientifically impossible level. After all, the weird bone blades he had aren't part of anything we know from earth.
The fact that one of the weaker pillar men was able to understand the entire language with just a couple words Kars would be beyond smart intelligence wise and probably could beat any stand user without a stand
I think he'd only be able to do that within a short timeframe after the transformation. After a certain point that would become his new "regular form". At least going off of why he couldn't heal Okayasu's father, who was transformed by one of Dio's cells.
If Kars can see Stands (in this situation) and was capable of learning and mastering Hamon, wouldn’t it be reason to believe that he could develop a Stand let alone his enemy’s Stand? Like, the dude’s capable of creating anything living on Earth, and it’s been shown by users like Tonio that stands aren’t exclusively derived from the Stand Arrows’ meteorite. I’d bet that Kars could develop someone’s stand off of fighting them, 500IQ + Kars’ goofy ass DNA shenanigans and he could probably figure something out.
If Kars would have encountered an stand user he wouldnt instantly kill them i mean thats one of the most intresting you saw for thousands of years it would take him not that much of a time to understand stand virus as a whole and maybe copy the stand or even create his own one
@@captainb.mccrea5480 Over Heaven is also non-canon but it's still used as an example of what DIO's completed plan would be, why can't novel Kars be used as an example of what could have been?
@@EnbyOccultist because where is he getting an arrow or Stand infection from? I’m pretty sure someone explained once why Kars can’t obtain a Stand, but I’ve watched a lot of long vids lately so no idea which that was
I think Kars has the capability to completely crush C-Moon, as the oneshot of turning Kars inside out doesn't actually atomize him, pillar men have been extremely mobile and able to resist the weirdest and tightest of spaces/adjustments to their own body (Santana was squeezing through vents and into people, but I don't know if that's just Santana's thing or if all the pillar men can), and Kars has the intelligence to use one of Earth's fliers in zero-g, or even one of the microscopic creatures that is basically in zero-g with how dense the air is at that scale compared to the force of gravity on such a small body
In the case of Weather Report, the snail thing done through subliminal messaging anyway, right? I think Ultimate Kars would have sharp enough senses to the point where he would actually be able to register the snail images hidden in the rainbows. Therefore, it might not even affect him at all.
@@thepotatoofheaven Basically, the idea of subliminal messaging involves giving people information in a way that they don’t consciously realize they’re getting. And then, that would affect their behaviour. If Kars can tell that the images are there, than it’s not really “subliminal messaging” in his case.
Its not really clear the conditions of the "Death" it causes. Especially since its stated in some sources as BECOMING that host's Stand, which means its attached to their spirit, not just their body. Kars's abilities also aren't instantaneous, it does take SOME time for him to heal and transform.
@@fungamesandstuffwhy2516 He can also just throttle his own brain and reduce himself to fewer thoughts, or even just adapt his brain to work thoughtlessly on an advanced puzzle solving instinct or something
Kars has hamon and can radiate heat. White album’s flash freeze can easily be negated. For all these battles you need to consider that Kars can do everything we saw Joseph do, at a much higher level.
Also, if he can use Wammu's whole air pipes while he was trying to get back to earth, there's no reason to not think that he can't use Esidisi's powers.
To be frank I don't think Alessi could beat regular Kars either. The dude is apparently over a hundred thousand years old, so he might well not even notice the de-aging effect at all given how slow it would be on him.
Rohan outsped Crazy Diamond's Punch which when enraged is faster than STAR PLATINUM And Rohan has the speed feat of catching up with Made in Heaven's Time Accel in terms of drawing
@@infernousgaming1393Fair enough, but it does feel kind of like cheating if it's considering growths past the point characters appear in the part in question(or maybe I'm just taking the video title too literal)
I think with Tusk Act 4 the problem is Kars isn't gonna be standing still for Johnny to just do all the prep work to hit him, he takes out the horse at range, Johnny can't do his super rotation anymore and he can be taken down at his leisure.
Kars can also easily just chop off his limbs that got hit by the rotation, like what Diego did. Once he sees the ability once he’s gonna find a way around it.
Imagine this. Kars gets Cheap Trick on his back. He makes someone look and his back gets ripped off. They have the stand and he regenerates. He inevitably looks at their back. Krasnodar has a new instant kill move.
Honda Accord I'm pretty sure they said that everyone that was alive at the time of the universe reset got put back in some way so there was a Kars equivalent but we have no idea if they achieved ultimate status unless someone asks Araki
@@MalikrikuSBR universe is completely separate from the original universe, original universe got reset back to its original form, but without Pucci. It did not become SBR universe.
MIH v Kars is interesting because Kars can’t catch Pucci and Pucci can’t kill Kars. If anyone says he could just punch him to orbit, wtf is Pucci gonna do if Kars just decides to emit a virus around him. Hand to hand combat is not an option for Pucci, Kars can either eat him or just straight up infect him. (Also brings up a question, if Pucci gets infected while he’s in sped up time, would the virus also get sped up?) Well most of these fights Kars can just blitz his opponent before they have a chance to use their one shot (Heaven’s Door, Whitesnake, maybe Tusk Act 4)
Imo Ultimate Kars beats MIH. Early in MIH before Pucci gained a ton of speed I think Jotaro said that he was moving as fast as a bullet train. That’s fast however some flies have a reaction time of less than 5 milliseconds. If Jotaro could react to MIH early on then so could Kars. So at best for MIH it stalls for a few minutes before it is too fast for Kars to react to but then it just does chip damage to Kars. I see a win condition for Kars but I don’t see one for MIH.
One thing ive thought of was that Pucci could reset the universe far enough to where Kars didnt have the red stone while still weak to sunlight, and Pucci could just find a way to get him into sunlight or smth.
@@tenkuken7168Very, I doubt Kars would pick up, let alone unsheathe Anubis seeing as he downplays tech and weapons. I'd also think he'd be able to survive being devoured by Cream and could make into and force Vanilla Ice into letting him go and eating him. I also think some should be labeled as Win like GER and Wonder of U & some should be labeled as Contained like Man in the Mirror and Notorious BIG because he'll win over time, just not now
Dude, I just thought about it but if Ultimate Kars is in the SBRverse he can technically access all the abilities of rock humans and rock animals, so that would be really funny to see happen
Kars has 500IQ, ain't no way he's losing to a REGULAR CHILD in Rock Paper Scissors. He'd be able to perfectly predict the kid's next 20 moves in seconds.
Wouldn't Kars be able to instantly master hamon and the spin in part 7 after seeing Johnny utilise it and since spin is a gateway to stands, he could get something similar to Ball Breaker (but ULTIMATE), then from there maybe even copy other stands similarly to the Jorge Joestar novel? Bro imagine Wonder of U: ULTIMATE
I mean once he gets hit he wont be able to use it properly, even if he centaurs himself to achieve the golden rotation he will still get reverted back to his original form and location before he can do anything.
@@lvlHivewould he still be spinning if he clones himself or would they both just be spinning, and what if they are both spinning but one does a hand stand and they merge together, would it counteract the infinite rotation
@@derpyducks22 If he splits his cells to create a clone, his cells would still be spinning and basically unsplit the cells as they return back to him. The way i see it, he would either be in FV situation and be stuck in one place for all eternity, or be in Johnny's situation and turn into a picasso in one place for all eternity.
@@lvlHive What happens if he simply sits there, while Johnny gets too tired and falls asleep. Would that dispel the effects of the spin, since Johnny could no longer maintain it?
@@RheaMainz The infinite Rotation is infinite and would persist long after Johnny is dead unless someone shot you with it in the opposite direction. Spin isnt just a stand ability it is a universal force in the SBR universe and stands like Tusk and Ball Breakers are just aiming it.
One thing you guys forgot about was that in 7/8, spin is in place of hamon, which would probably mean that Kars would be able to utilize the spin in those scenarios. If this is the case, and due to Kars’ incredible speed, he could probably pry open D4C:LT’s light barrier like Tusk 4 did and punch a spin hole through Valentine(if he gets close, that is).
You could make the argument that he could create an animal to hunt down the stand user if he's seen her. Jolyne forgot things but still had basic knowledge like how to eat and use her stand ability, so it's safe to say Kars would know he can create life still and that's unaffected by the memory power. There's nothing stopping Kars from just killing the entire prison either since he could unlike Jolyne and it would be in character. Also when the user dies, it's probable he'd get all his memories back so like Man in the Mirror it feels temporary at best
@@shadowofdimentio4618 Jail House Lock works by removing the ability to create new memories. You still have all your memories from before you were affected by the stand so he would be fine
Imagine Kars agains Bohemian Rhapsody and as you've stated, the story would be more history. So now Kars gets in this bad scenario and then he just goes "actually, this is wrong. I was there, I know it happened like this" and ge gets out of the ability 😂
Devil's Advocate for the "Kars can see stands". He's the Ultimate Life Form. Once stands started proflierateing, if a monkey and rats can have stands; there is absolutely no way that Kars would not develop a stand. Assumeing he dosen't already have one upon ascension and simply did not use it because he didn;t know of it. I assume as soon as Kars discovered what a Stand is as the Ultimate Life form, since Stands are connected to your life energy; Kars would immediately unlock one of his own. And since he is the "Ultimate Life Form" it would probably be pretty strong. Presumably; as the "Ultimate Life Form" he would also have the Ultimate Stand. Kars can beat Rohan if he just speed blitzes Rohan before he can show Kars his art, which is entirely possible.
Isn't it mention by Araki that while MiH was active Rohan was able to draw manga before the pen dried up? I don't think it's possible for Kars to blitz him faster than he draws
Imagine The Matte Kudasai can just have someone wish "i wish i had a gun that can kill ultimate kars." (Based off the definition that it "grants wishes", which i think will either be changed or Usagi Alohaoe will just be written out.)
If WoU follows final destination rules the newest thing pursuing is the next to die Kars can just summon independent creatures like the squirrel until he reaches the user unless they still count as Kars.
The idea of Kars wandering around just kinda chilling and every now and then getting his shit kicked on by some invisible punch ghost he can't do shit about still tickles me
Kars: *Attacks Wonder Of U* Wonder of U: *Proceeds to spawn him into space* Wonder of u: it seems a random portal basically Spawned you into space, my bad :0
Regarding Tusk Act 4 Wouldn't Kars be able to achieve perfect spin as well? As the perfect being, he should really have a certain control over the Golden Ratio
For white album there are animlas who can survive freezing because of a chemical that blunts ice crystals so they dont damage cells or Kars would just turn his entire body into abs and heat hmself up. For tusk act 4 it'd probably be fine for a while but hed definitely be able to learn and master spin while waiting, thats assuming kars gets hit before he can kill Johnny. The biggest downside of kars is that he was blindsided by an extreme and near instant defeat so we really never got to see him in action beyond a couple of minutes.
Couldn't he beat Cheap Trick by just decapitating himself and regenerating his body from his head? Considering Dio could, it seems like it removes all maybes from that matchup
Does Kars have a soul? Do stand powers that affect humans that way even have the same effect on a nonhuman species? After all Cheap Trick isn't seen on animals. Pretty sure if it can bind to him, he can turn his old body into a living being that, as an extension of Kars himself, would hypothetically have his soul to a small degree.
when it comes to cream you would have to put it at its absolute best odds for it to win. for example when he hit avdol and the arms got left behind, if that was kars he would regen from the arms and instantly understand how the ability worked since its pretty straight forward, and i think it would be pretty random and out of character for vanilla ice to instantly exit his stand to check the disembodied arms on the ground to see if they were regenerating so kars has more than enough time to fully regen, or he could even turn the arms into birds or something and have them fly away so he could heal if cream decided to circle back. from there, well if pol. could kill him, kars with the best mastery of hamon in history would be able to pack up a mere vampire pretty easily. if cream doesnt destroy every single cell in one go, its literally a no diff fight for kars.
Definitely, that's what Alternate Diego did to defeat Johnny. The problem is that Diego was told beforehand to do that, so idk if Kars would be able to figure it out in time before the Spin spreads to the rest of his body.
He already survived all of them. He was a pillar for Part 1, never got killed in part 2 and just floated as a meteorite for the rest of them. In a sad state, but alive.
Just a reminder as a pillar man he can absorb and manipulate cells of non-hamon users like what Wamuu did to the investigation team at the beginning of part 2.
Something I often like to think about with beings that are capable of regenerating from almost fucking nothing, I like to think that if they were truly smart they’d just separate small parts of their biology/body and spread it around the battlefield and if they do get disintegrated they just regenerate from the small pieces of matter left around.
I feel like the perfect irony for Bohemian Rhapsody would be Kars being forced to relive the slaughter of the pillarmen tribe, except being on the receiving end of it. I feel like it'd be the most poetic ending for him out of all the stands mentioned. At least out of the stands from parts 3-6, since I didn't watch past that to avoid too many spoilers for future parts. It's also worth noting that historical stories do also get animated by Bohemian Rhapsody, not just purely fictional ones, since Van Gogh got brought to life.
Honestly? I first assumed this was 'Ultimate Kars is the protagonist, now they HAVE to complete certain objectives. [Beat Dio to death, beat...Himself?, Rescue Jotaro's mother from DIO's influence, discover and defeat the serial killer, etc etc.] And he'd obliterate most people sure, but how will he handle FORCED SOCIAL INTERACTION.
Kars could turn into novel Kars in anytime he wants he has every cell on the planet so there’s a high chance to adapt to any stand and obtain it for himself
Parts 1-6: I Kars am the only thing close to a True GOD, nothing can dream of killing me and my power is absolute Part 7: *makes ten million Kars’ appear from different realities all to beat his ass* Part 8: *Changes that location where actual literal Jesus Christ take a fat shit in, Kars ceases to exist*
i feel like kars could shoot tentacles at them before they do anything and clone himself like a 1000 times or something like that and then for something say like heavens door wouldn't know what to write in
No he wouldn't. Most of the Novel characters already wipe the shit out of main JoJo, a slightly stronger main verse Kars would be fodder compared to someone like Novel Pucci or DIO.
@@SlewedBoot25934 tf did Novel Pucci do, all he did was kill Diavolo and Kira (who were already in a standoff) then got roasted by Giorno, and blasted into a death loop by GER
My arguement against Anubis is that Kars has created life independent from himself; which requires a soul. Nothing in Jojo can live without a soul, we see that in part 6 when Jotaro is near death and dying with only his stand star platinum supporting him. Meaning he can create multiple souls from himself, he can just give a dummy soul to anubis and be fine.
Kars is the ultimate life form. He can’t be around while stands exist because he would be able to just instantly understand them and have any and all stands he wants.
Chariot requiem would be a great Cinderella story Polnareff’s biggest wish after being crippled was to get his body back,and now he has the strongest body in the universe Although there’d probably be some existential dread Later on
i don't know if i remember right but didn't Abbacchio say something along the lines of the sun neutralizes Purple Hazes virus after some time, and if i am right shouldn't hamon be able to just destroy the virus, especially hamon from Kars since he has hamon 100 times stronger then Joseph or some number like that i could be misremembering but i think that's right
