Which Rolex Submariner to BUY? - 5513, 14060, 14060m, 114060

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The Rolex Submariner, or more commonly known as the No Date Submariner, is one of the most iconic watches ever. However, they have changed massively over the past few decades making it quite hard to decide which one to buy.
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Rolex Submariner 5513
Rolex Submariner 14060
Rolex Submariner 14060m
Rolex Submariner 114060
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@BarkandJack 4 года назад

Visit our website: barkandjack.com Check out our watch straps: barkandjack.shop

@jackyoung7097 4 года назад

Bark and Jack well done 👍🏼 Adrian, love this when you do vertical reviews of watches. I know Hodinkee do reference points but your own unique opinion is also great to hear. So don’t second guess yourself! If you want to do your own review then do it!

@pyromaster2613 4 года назад

Hey, nice Video.. Omega seamaster is also interessting, has a great history and is much affordable.

@abefroman8202 4 года назад

Adrian what is the story with that sick clown, John McAnus? Did you get his channel binned. If so, well done.

@carcarroom 4 года назад

Date or no date?

@leanderstein5459 25 дней назад

@@carcarroomno date obviously

@rnunez70681 3 года назад

Let me point out some mistakes on this video. The MK1 gen of the 14060M (2 liners) were NOT chronometer certified by COSC, possibly due to costs associated with it, it was produced for 8 years from 1999 to 2007. The MK2 (4 liner) was the first no date Sub ever to become COSC certified, hence the extra 2 lines of text stating so, this happened in 2007, and this MK2 was produced until 2012, not 2009, it had a 5 year lifespan. The 114060 was introduced at Basel 2012, not 2009 and was discontinued in late 2020 after 8 years.

@superkrell 2 года назад

Correct...!

@Chanelsvibe Год назад

I believe the first submariner to be COSC certified was the 5512 four liner.

@vautrain Год назад

@@Chanelsvibe Correct!

@rnunez70681 Год назад

@@Chanelsvibe I stand corrected my good Sir!! Thank you!!

@robertschriek1353 10 месяцев назад

Totally agree!

@WATCHVICE 4 года назад

What an honor to be mentioned on your channel! Thank you and happy we could help 🙏

@BarkandJack 4 года назад

Superb footage Kai. Thanks so much. 👍🏻

@humanbeing1675 4 года назад

Watch family😊

@katherinedalton1330 4 года назад

I am a lady watch lover in Virginia and am so happy to have found Jenni! A woman who knows watches and can provide great content for anyone who loves watches especially us women in the hobby!! Tell her thanks for all of her hard work!

@damienkali 4 года назад

@@BarkandJack Nice videos mate, I just picked mine up ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-V3nvwsl2PkI.html

@chi-towncalifornia5916 4 года назад

2-line 14060M is the pinnicle for me. Perfect case shape, clean dial, and modern enough to be used every day.

@alpa4736 3 года назад

I own one. Best sub ever, IMHO

@jimbean4945 Год назад

@@alpa4736 I agree, perfectly balanced, astehtically pleasing shape, perfection.

@Thomas-vq5pb 4 года назад

it would be great if the thicknesses of watches were mentioned and not only the diameter, as it makes a big difference for fit and wear. Great videos, thanks Adrian.

@reedgrabowski8314 4 года назад

Another measurement to consider along with watch thickness is the lug to lug. To me this is most important as it can determine what will fit a wrist when you know your wrist breadth as you look down it - as if doing a wrist shot. Since my wrist breadth is 52mm, I focus on watches with lug to lug measuring 48mm or less.

@8rooks 4 года назад

I think the difference is around 1mm, 11.8mm 14060 vs 12.5 for the 114060 or something like that

@Romio666 3 года назад

@@8rooks what about the 5513 plz ?

@davidharley1070 Месяц назад

I have a 5513 which my parents gave me in 1968. Except when I travel ( I use a cheap watch for travelling) it has been on my wrist for 56 years all the time. It is a work watch. During that time during Rolex servicing I have had the original pin bracelet replaced due to total wear out, the bezel and the face replaced due to wear. Every day I wear this watch I remember my Mom & Dad!

@07710771t Месяц назад

🙏🏼

@tripprawlings9284 Месяц назад

good story.

@jo-beeem1063 4 года назад

The best sub is the one you can get your hands on. Got a 114060 for a few months now, and loving it!

@danhu8143 4 года назад

Wear in good health

@misterbianco6202 4 года назад

THE bond watch was the 6538. Also not all 14060 were tritium. In 1998 they were Swiss branded with Luminova and in 1999 and 2000 they were branded Swiss Made and had Superluminova. The M really came to the market in late 2000 and had the exact same dial as its predecessor two years before. And an aluminium insert is closer to 100 bucks than to 20 these days :)

@antonig4452 Год назад

The "Swiss" only branded were 1998-1999, "U" and almost all "A" serial #. Luminova.

@timetotalkwatches7185 4 года назад

I own the ceramic.. it’s a tank.... ideally I’d love to have a two liner 14060m to keep it company!

@valengreymoon5623 4 года назад

Personally, I think a pre-ceramic model with the newest bracelet would be a great combination, considering that the maxi case just looks too bloated in its proportions.

@xmuninu 4 года назад

I have the two line 14060M and it really is the perfect Submariner in my opinion. I was offered a 114060 a couple of years ago at retail price and I couldn't refuse it. You're absolutely right, they are like two totally different watches character wise, and on the wrist. If I really had to part with one of them it would undoubtedly be the 114060. It's beautifully engineered but I find it a bit to square, boxy and soulless. If Rolex made a modern Ceramic Submariner in the 40mm Yacht Master case it would be sublime!

@jimbean4945 Год назад

I have the 14060M with 2 lines of text too and would say it's the best of the bunch. I agree the 114060 is too boxy, and lacks that astehtically pleasing look of the earlier models.

@phmwu7368 4 года назад

Any toolwatch Rolex Submariner needs lug holes... so the 14060M is the last of the classic Rolex Submariner diving watches... 8:52 4 line dial version 3130 ran from 2007 to 2012

@mihalis1010 4 года назад

Ph MWU why though? Never understood the whole lug hole necessity thing. Of course, I also think that a watch which comes on a bracelet belongs on that bracelet.

@manuel_winde 4 года назад

If a watch comes on a shit or average bracelet maybe but the new sub has possibly the best bracelet and clasp on the market... why would you want to take it on and off? It’s not exactly hard to take the bracelet off without drilled lugs anyway but I don’t get why...

@benjamin7739 4 года назад

Last month I bought a 1973 5512 , I dont really wear it, but just love to look at it, try it on and put it back in the safe :)

@greycats99 4 года назад

Finally! The Sub video! As a proud owner of a 114060 since over a year, I still find myself staring at it with sparkles in my eyes every time I wear it, which is every single day. I adore this watch more than anything else I’ve ever owned!

@pauluk2109 4 года назад

greycats99 owned mine since January and feel exactly the same. Doubt I’ll ever need another watch

@krisliska6854 4 года назад

If you get an 114060, get ready to sell the collection off! It’s the best one watch collection there is!

@stig5763 4 года назад

I’m growing bored with mine 🙁 have been on a seiko kick recently.

@therapiststeve3294 4 года назад

2nd...this is the Video I didn't know I was waiting for, but now having seen it, I realize I've always been hungry for the information & the context of it. So much good info I know this is one of your videos I'll re-watch multiple times. What a gift. Thank you, Adrian!

@adrianonast3599 4 года назад

I remember almost buying a 2 line sub in 2007 and was surprised how flimsy the bracelet was when you considered the price. The current model matches the price asked at retail and the hype.

@Bradfordtruman 4 года назад

the old bracelet is so comfortable for long term wear though

@tandhan 4 года назад

Black Bay 58, toughness of a 114060 and the feel of a 5513

@grahamcartwright5141 4 года назад

Very good point, my sentiments exactly, that's why I bought one & it's been a fantastic.

@SimulatorWhiz 4 года назад

BB58 is more like a 6536 as opposed to 5513

@philtechGT3 4 года назад

The BB58 is very close to my 5508. I tried it while having my 5508 on my wrist. Almost a modern clone

@WatchUnwind 4 года назад

its a great watch

@rcm4u2 4 года назад

Yeah, the 6536 and 5508 are just about the size of the bb58, I have them all. I’ll probs. Do a comparison on RU-vid soon. I’ll raven compare them to earlier 36mm models, and the first 5512 versions. The bb58, 6536, and 5508 are the perfect proportions, and all beautiful.

@finesse49 4 года назад

Nice informative video. As someone else said the best one is the one on your wrist, in my case the '69 5513 I've had from new. It's seen parties, the underside of 8 feet of Arctic ice and everything in between. I much prefer its svelt case to the most recent iteration. I'll never have another Rolex as I can't justify the cost of a new one.

@kraquin 2 года назад

Thanks to this video I now own a two line 14060M. Love the symmetry, lack of unneccessary info on the dial, no redundant "ROLEX" markings around the rehaut, and graceful contour.

@BarkandJack 2 года назад

Congrats John, it's a brilliant watch.

@deantreloar 4 года назад

The answer to your title question is: “yes”

@clegsmegson2627 4 года назад

I have every Sub model but more of a Patek kinda guy.

@Mitch-dr7un 4 года назад

Cleg Smegson rich kid?

@clegsmegson2627 4 года назад

@@Mitch-dr7un CEO of my own business actually. Seiko kid?

@paulthorpe766 4 года назад

Cleg Smegson Wow a 6200,6204,6205,5514,5510,6538,5517,5512,6536,5508,5513,1680 etc etc hats off to you sir I’m well impressed

@deantreloar 4 года назад

@@clegsmegson2627 I know, right? Seikos, gross! Poor people are so disgusting. They can't understand why you would watch a video about watches you supposedly already own by a channel that explicitly denounces watch snobbery. Pathetic. But, I get you man. As soon as these dweebs run their own company and find their worth in material possessions, they'll understand too.

@paulojpcarvalho74 4 года назад

Only two words: THE BEST! Surely the best ever video about Submariner that I have ever seen. Very objective but with passion. Loved the map resuming the models! Congrats!

@structurescience 4 года назад

Hi, Adrian! Well, that may just be the most enjoyable video of yours that I've ever seen. Just love the Submariner. Bought myself a 114060 last summer. When I put him on my wrist every morning, he simply makes me happy. Just a little happiness that I otherwise wouldn't have. A little lift to my day that no one else knows about. I'm relatively new to wristwatches - less than 2 years trawling RU-vid watch channels - and from what I've seen so far, everyone ends up in vintage. But I'm not there (yet). The only sub I've handled is the ceramic. Maybe everything will change when I eventually hold a glistening, knee-wobbling 5-digit. But until then, I'm an engineer and my clinical beast (and I love how you call it that; he really is a beast) joins me faithfully in all I do: quiet, -0.3 seconds per day, brutishly reliable, stoically unfailing, resolute. And then I take him off before going to bed, wish him, "Goodnight," put him on his microfibre cloth to sleep, and switch off the light above him. :)

@robc8892 4 года назад

I think of these as the last air cooled 911s

@Leftystrat 3 года назад

When you have a 7’5 inch wrist and had the 16600 the maxi case on the 114060 is a welcome relief. Fits sooo much better with a necessary glidelock. Lost me on that one jules

@Romio666 3 года назад

Get an SD43, much better for your wrist. Oe even JC with easy fix glide lock without removing the watch from the wrist.

@randomnamenice3986 4 года назад

14060M rise up! Loved the production, and glad you went over submariners I personally love them.Will you possible do a collection overview this year?

@c0ugrhuntr 4 года назад

14060 was produced until 1999/00, while 14060m was produced from 2000/1 - 2009/10. They began using luminova around 1998/99 (swiss only dials) and super luminova came out around 2000, (swiss made dials). so, you have about a year gap when the 14060 could have come out of the factory on swiss made dial. my point being that even if your generalizations fit about 90% of 14060 cases, where swiss made dials are clearly service dials, there are certainly exceptions with some A serial and P serial 14060 productions coming out of the factory with swiss made dials.

@BarkandJack 4 года назад

Unfortunately with Rolex there are many exceptions. There’s very rarely a clean change in production. Movements, fonts, lume all change over time. I thought I’d just focus on the main changes.

@gk77stuff51 4 года назад

Adrian this was a great video, one of your best. Your very best was when you fell in the river in Scotland. For me 114060 wins hands down. Best looking rolex ever!!! I still love mine and never want to replace it.

@han5henman 4 года назад

Just a note, Rolex did release dials that said "tritium" but had luminova instead. This was around 1997 when they were making the switch and are colloquially known as tritinova dials.

@BarkandJack 4 года назад

I didn’t know that. But knowing Rolex, it doesn’t surprise me.

@fire_watch7735 4 года назад

You are correct. Ciao

@phmwu7368 3 года назад

2:12 In Dr No, actor Sean Connery wore a Rolex Submariner 6538

@Jack-jh5ls 4 года назад

The first bond watch wasn’t the 5513 actually. In Dr. No, the first film, Sean Connery sported the large crown late 1950s version of the sub, the 6538, and he wore it in Goldfinger and thunderball as well. The 5513 has the crown guards that the original subs didn’t have and close ups on Connery show the no crown guards. Roger Moore actually wore the 5513 in ‘Live and Let Die’

@joa2944 4 года назад

I prefer the ceramic bezel, maxi case and bracelet on the 114060. Great review and thank you for sharing your experience

@jackyoung7097 4 года назад

The waitlist is over! I went into a Rolex AD in Switzerland 3 weeks ago before lock down and social distancing. I got a call last week and was told they were going to post the No Date Sub to me. It arrived today! I have never spent a penny with the AD, I just charmed the salesman and I think I was in the right place at the right time.

@IrishOister 4 года назад

Bucherer?

@chiliprepper7678 4 года назад

😀👍

@jeanraspail2979 4 года назад

Wow, I am still waiting at Watches of Switzerland in London. Since 2 years now. Luckily, I managed to buy one in Vienna in the meantime (after about 1y wait).

@librarianrobert7426 4 года назад

One of the first watch videos I ever enjoyed and learned from was Adrian's, about the Explorer. Similar to this one. Stay safe, Adrian and the entire Watch Fam!

@LesterLovesWatches 4 года назад

LibrarianRobert Remember it. He was on a roof and it was cold. Funny how you remember extraneous things like that.

@philw4053 4 года назад

Great, concise history of the Sub. Thanks! Completely agree that you need a watch to wear and enjoy even if it might get slightly beaten up. My compromise is I have the 114060 which I use for best but a Ginault Ocean Rover 2 with aluminium bezel (rather than the new ceramic version they do) plus domed vintage look sapphire crystal as my everyday watch. The Ocean Rover 2 build quality is (I’d say) similar to the Rolex and you get the vintage look but won’t break the bank if you bash it while doing DIY!

@MrFlussaal 4 года назад

5513 Submariner without the white gold indices, I just love it.

@spittinvenom9843 10 месяцев назад

Just acquired a 124060, it is iconic with proper vintage feel but a forward looking wear, a perfect blend and sublime to hold.

@dlappin28 4 года назад

14060m with 4 line dial is a future classic and will be highly desired

@heric_ 3 года назад

I’m still undecided between 2 lines VS 4 lines of 14060M … what do you suggest ? I like the vintage and cleaner look if 2 lines but I think that 4 lines offers more for approximately the same price …

@Romio666 3 года назад

@@heric_ it’s not the sane future. 2 lines much more collectible and you like it. So go get it 😄. Don’t think twice. Get 14060m if it’s your only Rolex. It’s just the best of both worlds.

@heric_ 3 года назад

@@Romio666 ;)

@simonmayes3374 4 года назад

Cool video, as ever Adrian. I’ve got a 14060 and a current sub date ceramic. As the sub date ceramic was my first Rolex I have a real soft spot for it. However, you just can’t beat the purity of the 14060. I’ve also got a 981 Porsche Cayman which is a lovely , balanced , exhilarating and enjoyable car but will always yearn for an air cooled 911. Keep up the great work mate. May you and your family stay safe.

@Melvs15 4 года назад

Missed the 14060 transitional with Luminova with “Swiss” only at 6. Was last run before the 14060m.

@chiliprepper7678 4 года назад

That is the one. 👍😀

@yetidh9 4 года назад

Yep I had one of those and sold it. I'll always regret that.

@aaroncunningham5362 4 года назад

Have the date version with swiss only dial. Great watch. For me it's a good blend between modern and vintage

@Bradfordtruman 4 года назад

yeah i’ve got one

@danreitz8864 4 года назад

People are going to look back at this time and wonder why they didn't buy the Swiss only Rolexes. They don't really go for much of (if any) premium right now, but they will. Oh they will.

@m60mgman 4 года назад

Bought my SubC Date 116610LN 3 years ago. I destroy watches, but this one has held up well, surviving a fall onto brick, dinging on metal as I do my daily activities: I don’t have to baby it. The band is strong and durable. For me, this watch is perfect. The fact that it’s worth more than I paid is icing on the cake.

@AmreshKumar-vt3pm 4 года назад

Love the pre-ceramic, 5 digit Subs. The lugs are more tapered and it rest easy on the wrist. Anyway, I have been wearing my 16610 around the house since I have been staying at home for the past couple of weeks lol

@glenlawrence9711 4 года назад

🙏🏻 Great summary ,thank you for you time in making this video. I have a 1406m four liner and like you spent lots of time deciding on which watch to buy it’s a truly classic watch that I love wearing. And will one day hand down to my son..

@andrewsmith3062 4 года назад

To be able to start an introduction about watches whilst moving your hands at the same time is nothing unusual, but not to spill any coffee while doing it is a real gift! An enjoyable review, thank you.

@paulbroad128 4 года назад

Great video Adrian really enjoyed it. One small point, the Sub that features in Dr no was a ref 6538, not the 5513

@Romio666 3 года назад

The 6538 has no crown guards.

@deadferrets7923 Год назад

You’re wrong about the cosc certification on M. Only after 2007

@KevoC393 4 года назад

The 14060m imo has amazing dimensions as it doesn't have the maxi case. The bracelet lets it down. If only it has the bracelet of the 114060 that would be perfect! Great video Adrian, could we expect to see more about the Tudor BB58 soon?

@zago8412 4 дня назад

Great video but please take note that 14060 P serial does not came with Swiss t dial but with Swiss made dial. The P serial is an overlap between 14060 and 14060M, in fact P serial is the first of the 14060M

@lordhumungous7908 Год назад

I got my 14060m four liner (2010) just a week ago. I'm loving it so far. Initially, I was a bit taken aback by the seemingly flimsy stamped clasp. But once sized properly and on the wrist, it wasn't a concern. It also feels very small. I also bought a brand new Omega Seamaster Professional 300m just two weeks earlier and it's a beast of a watch. The 42mm diameter suits me well. I decided on the 14060m, classic Sub thanks to your video. I would love the modern clasp on the classic case.

@andreknudsen3272 2 года назад

just brought a 14060m 4liner for 12k. first Rolex in my Collection.

@bobbycalifornia7193 4 года назад

Pretty sure the Bond sub was the 6538 which is what the Tudor Black Bays are a remake of (the Tudor version of that Rolex) and not the 5513

@521tifosi 4 года назад

I would love, love, love for you to do a video comparing your 14060M with a Black bay 58. They are so similar in size and character, but I'm really curious about the emotional factor of having big brother and little brother side-by-side. I'm coming up on a very important occasion (20 years of sobriety) and trying to decide between buying a brand new Black bay 58 or buying a 14060 or 104060M two liner. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. -Ray

@robertolimasports 4 года назад

i have the same question ...

@nathanrowalnd3375 4 года назад

5513 for me, I see it around a fair bit, and to me it’s pretty close to perfect

@Romio666 3 года назад

Would you choose a matt over a late 80s ?!

@jayhoughton4174 4 года назад

I like the submariner, but I can't get on with the mercedes hour hand. It just stops me loving it completely. So for me the best submariner is the british military submariner from the 70's, the 5513 with the sword hands.

@meirweiss5967 4 года назад

Thanks for this review! Definitely helped me narrow down the best option for me. What would be an equivalent to the 14060M but with a date?

@youtubeperson1856 4 года назад

Meir Weiss post 2000 16610, superluminova dial, 3135 movement, classic case, old bracelet. Go pre 2003 if you want drilled lugs. SELs post about 2001

@michaelturner7949 Год назад

I have worn Submariners since 1975. I used to complain to Rolex in London about the shortcomings of their models: part of tomorrow's date protruded into the aperture, there was play on the lugs between the horns of the case; this caused the bracelet to rattle and the time keeping was poor.

@garywilson3904 4 года назад

Hi Adrian. Excellent video. Can you do a similar video for Pepsi gmt master variations. I can give you one of them.... no I can’t we are locked down🤔 after this crap clears up I can lend you vintage one.

@jacobvonloh69 4 года назад

Neo-Vintage Rolex with sapphire crystal and tritium lume is by far my favorite generation of Rolex! Great video bruv!

@SWatchik 4 года назад

14060m. Done. Best of all worlds, best proportions, cleanest dial, modern quality.

@yetidh9 4 года назад

I agree, except for the bracelet. Which is far from modern quality.

@drwallet1 4 года назад

@SWatchik 4 года назад

@@yetidh9 True but closer than the folded, stretchy stuff they produced back in the day

@FALLERModellbau 4 года назад

My favorite is the 16800. Best of both worlds. Having said that, my favorite Rolex is the 16660 Sea-Dweller. Someday. Great video!

@Romio666 3 года назад

Do you think it’s wise to swap a16600 full original set with a watch only 5513 🤔 ? . Please take into consideration that I also have an SD43.

@KoalaFishMutantBird 7 месяцев назад

Love my 114060, the maxi case suits my wrist. The watch is a stunner, the old version looks too round, to me the maxi is a modern take therefore has more character as it’s unique. The new one is crossed between old and new. I’d not change it, GMT Master ii is the same maxi style case and don’t hear many people complaining about them do we?

@jamesbullen1288 2 года назад

Great Video! 14060 was in production until late-2000 until reaplced by the 14060M and at 7:00 you mention that Swiss Made dials are service dials, this not true. The last of the 14060's, the Mk3 variant dial was marked 'Swiss Made' and incorporated Superluminova from the factory.

@chrismyers5532 Месяц назад

Whichever Sub you are able to get and (if pre-owned) have serviced (which includes replacement of damaged or sub-standard parts that are worn or damaged) is a good buy at the right price. The 5513 is a great watch, the later models all have their unique feel, wear well and are good time pieces. If worn and used as they are meant to be, a few scratches and dings are no big deal.

@MHolt9999 4 года назад

Great Video - drilled lugs would have been an interesting topic. I see your newer 14060m must be quite late to have engraved rehaut but it still has drilled lugs??? I have a date version with un-drilled lugs - did they continue with the drilled lugs on the no date due to it being more likely to be used by professional divers?

@robynsjp 3 года назад

5513 (from 1967) all the way ... but only in rotation on weekends together with other 1960s stunners, like the 321. That is my true collection. Weekdays : modern pieces. Swimming : 1500 m SuperOcean, not taking a 10K watch in the water. So modern Sub is not for me.

@DavidHarley-l8z Месяц назад

Actually the story gets even better! I have three sons who were adamant that I continue the tradition so I did buy an Explorer on each of their 21st birthdays during the later 2000s and early 10s. Then my wife and their mother couldn’t understand why she is the only one in the without a Rolex so in the mid teens one of my sons and I bought her one as well. Interestingly I bought all 4 watches from a Rolex retailer and in each case not only were they in stock but I negotiated an 18-20% discount on each one. Very different times now!

@cecedabo 4 года назад

best german-english colab since the queen

@ormrudolf8042 4 года назад

Cédric Conter The Germans are ready to restart the colab 😉 All the best to the uk!

@humanbeing1675 4 года назад

Yes. Well done 👍

@kellypaws 4 года назад

Excellent video. Enjoyed that one. You're a public service keeping us entertained during these unfortunate times. Give Jody a bell, feels like he's not dragging his end of the log!

@1967plymgtx 4 года назад

Another excellent video. I especially like your comments about wearing your Rolex. For a while, I obsessed about mine, concerned about any minute imperfections that I might create by wearing it. Then I realized that the only way to keep it pristine was to never actually wear and enjoy it.....and that would be a real shame. So, I compromise by wearing it often, but try to remember to set it aside if I start an activity that has a likelihood of causing it excessive wear and tear. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.......cheers!

@arghjayem 4 года назад

Which submariner is best? Easy.....a sea dweller! Specifically a 16600, later model with solid end links (also means you can add a modern clasp if you really want but I see nothing wrong with the stamped clasps but I wear mine on a Nato anyway so who cares). And No cyclops, but it has the date. Best of everything. Yes it doesn’t have lug holes but who needs them if you have the correct spring bar tool. And I don’t get your criticisms Adrian of the stamped clasps and hollow link bracelets. It’s steel. I mean you sell fabric and leather straps that you advertise for use with Submariners. Stamped clasps and hollow link brackets are magnitudes of times stronger than any leather or fabric strap. Yes they aren’t as sturdy and beefy as a modern clasp and bracelet but I feel the modern ones are over engineered.

@t.yang1114 4 года назад

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have seen transition models of 14060 (no M) from year 1999-2001 with "Swiss Made" dial and super luminova, and they're not service dial. Is that true?

@lennyoliveros2839 4 года назад

Yes.. 99 to 00 14060 have swiss made dials...

@stustab7945 4 года назад

Correct.

@phillipmoodie9071 4 года назад

Adrian, I have been a regular viewer for the last six months, and found them all professionally presented and very interesting, but this one took your standard up to another level. I couldn't analyse what was different, but my attention didn't waver at any time. I just enjoyed listening. Phil.

@BobbBobb321 4 года назад

Very cool and informative video as always, thank you for that Adrian! I have question though: Does the lume on the 14060 still glow today or is it "worn out" by now?

@BarkandJack 4 года назад

It’s unlikely for a 14060 lume to glow. My Explorer is from 1998 and the lume is dead. It glows for about 2-3 seconds when charged with a UV light. It’s actually really annoying when at night.

@s3freebird 4 года назад

I have a 5513 as well and have basically the same thoughts as to its durability. And I've thought about getting an M or 114260 to update the glass and luminous. But I like the rattle of the bracelet and the look of the watch so much more than the 114. I'd consider an M though, like yours - the 2 line. One difference of opinion: I love the 2-way bezel - so much easier to set, and mine doesn't spin around without a deliberate move. Thanks

@YuanMizzle 4 года назад

So with a new Rolex Submariner generation almost every 10 years now... can we expect to see a new generation of Submariner within the next 2 years? Didn't the GMT and Seadweller get an updated movement recently so their power reserve levels matched that of Tudor's Black Bay line?

@jackyoung7097 4 года назад

Yuanmei im pretty sure Rolex we’re going to announce the update at Basel World, but that’s been postponed now

@cellestinohernendes3081 4 года назад

The 5513 isn’t the original Bond watch. The original Bond watch was a big crown, no guards Submariner. I forget the reference. Either way great video about one of my favourite watches, and the only one that I regret selling.

@tomfawcett7470 4 года назад

Rob Doran you are correct sir. Ref 6538 I believe

@urielgonzalez9916 4 года назад

great video, a lot to learn, two question, the accuracy changes by model or is the same? and other question, only the 114060 are antimagnetic with the parachrom hairspring?

@Romio666 3 года назад

I am not an expert, but as I know, 1- The accuracy is getting slightly better, each time the movement is upgraded. 2- I don’t think that the 114060 is even totally antimagnetic. Only it’s only the hairspring.

@dougpratt5714 4 года назад

Don't mean to be too picky, but I think you were wrong when you mentioned the Rolex 5513 as the first bond watch. I believe that was actually the reference number 6538 which bond wears on the strap that is too small for it apparently an 18 mm size NATO for the 20mm lugs. That said, great outline of the quasi-modern Rolex submariners.

@garyschwarts4719 3 года назад

Thanks Adrian for this video ! Small question / remark: after some research, I understood that the sub 14060 was produced until 2001, Am I wrong? I am looking to buy a sub and I found a magnificent 14060 (Swiss made) from 2001. Do I have to question its authenticity?

@BarkandJack 3 года назад

Hi Gary, the problem with old Rolex operation was there were very few clean cut changes. Many watches are called “transitional” as they might have one model number but actually contains components of another model number. So you could have a 14060 from 2001 with a 14060m dial.

@fac9374 4 года назад

14060M for me... slim case, lightweight, delicate, COSC, and no engraved rehaut.... Two-liner! Great Video, stay safe all....

@alpa4736 3 года назад

Very very recommended! I own one and I think it’s the best sub ever. Clean dial, no date, superluminova, sapphire Cristal...what do you want more? It’s a legend bridging vintage and modern references!

@davidhammond9336 4 года назад

Hi Adrian, Did you have any coffee in that mug? The way you swinging it around must be pretty thick coffee! anyway enjoy your videos.

@johansen4711 4 года назад

You nailed it again, Adrian. Good scope also, not trying to step on Hodinkee's toes. What I feel all the Subs you mention lack to make them perfect from my point of view is the the 360 degree indices on the bezel. One of the reasons I like the modern bigger sibling 116600 Seadweller or a true Mil-Sub. Thanks for the great work.

@mikelindbergh642 4 года назад

Love the no Date Submariner. I recently sold my 2015 Date Submariner to buy a 2019-2020 no Date version. Ended up buying another vintage Meters First Dial Submariner instead...

@Romio666 3 года назад

Amazing 🤩. Is the meters first claims much higher premium. How much did you pay for it ?!

@English2Elvish 3 года назад

8:55 2 Line version 14060m I have decided is THE pinnacle of all Submariners. Yes, still wish it had the modern bracelet (clasp esp) - but over all, this is the one I have to track down me thinks :)

@Billeh556 4 года назад

Hi Adrian the perfect sub for me is the 14060m with the Rolex in the rehaut or the two liner but really too bad doesn’t come with a SEL bracelet.

@joostverschuur8925 4 года назад

Why wasn’t the Sub Cosc Certified for such a Long time? With watches using the same movement being Certified (ex 14270)

@BarkandJack 4 года назад

Rolex didn’t want to pay the fee for the cert. they treated the no date sub as a lower watch to others.

@edjustice7755 4 года назад

So informative...Thanks Mate....personally always wanted a 14060 (pre 99'), the 4 line variant was just like any other sub, that classic vintage look for me.

@jski718 4 года назад

The fact that the coronet on the crown doesn't line up when screwed down is a big flaw to me. I've got a ceramic Longines Hydroconquest that always lines up exactly when screwed in and its a $1600 watch...

@JonasSorensenDK 4 года назад

Amazing video Adrian🙏 a great successor to your video about the Explorer line. IMO, these comparison-videos are your sweetspot.

@Jimmy-tj5bm 4 года назад

14060M was sold until 2010 with the G serial number (confirmed with cert. date). Some even say 2011 with random serial number.

@mkemp1605 4 года назад

Hi adrian. Thanks for the great video. Love the new ceramic for me. I just have a quick question. I currently have a tudor black bay blue is it worth the upgrade to a sub for the cost? Or buy another tudor? Regards.

@milesf4626 4 года назад

@Michael Kemp I suppose it is if your BBB doesn’t hold any sentimental value and you can get a good price for it. Alternatively if you have the funds you could add to / build a collection. Put the BBB on a strap if you haven’t already and you’ll have two completely different looks. Blue aluminium with leather or a Nato and black ceramic with that fantastic stainless steel oyster bracelet. Food for thought indeed my friend.....

@itsallrobbish 4 года назад

Legendary though they are, they don’t seem to wear that well. I have a 1984 DW5200 hero G shock, I bought in October of the same year. The bezel dissolved, but the lcd and stainless steel body and mineral crystal are immaculate, 2 gulf wars and loads of swimming later, only 3 (lithium)battery changes in that time and it looks almost new! A remarkable piece, even if it is a digital watch. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to have pulled the trigger on the £880 Submariner from ‘Watches of Switzerland’ that was on offer in 1985.......doh! Good video Adrian.

@itsalgud1459 4 года назад

I am very worried about you Adrian, sinking so low as to use “Apple launch“ terminology! Seriously this is an excellent intro into the world of submariner‘s. Thanks a lot. 👍

@BarkandJack 4 года назад

Haha. As an ex Apple employee, unfortunately most of their terms are deep engrained. #brainwashed

@traviswatts6661 4 года назад

The ceramic 114060 was easily my choice. However I would not pay a premium for one. It can be had from an AD at retail with a little patience.

@markbowman7240 Год назад

a great indepth video of a truely amazing watch that has been the legend it is for 70 years ..been lucky to get my grail ..a 124060 , totally against the ad worries you hear about .its mine for life

@DPCurtisSydney 4 года назад

Classic Bark and Jack (and I love it) Haven't tuned in for weeks and when I do, I see the title and I know I am home! Despite all the changes in the world, Adrian still loves his Rolex's, a two line 14060m is still a goal of mine and I love your work. Take care everyone....#thistooshallpass

@BarkandJack 4 года назад

This shall pass indeed. 🙌🏻

@MountainStandardTime 4 года назад

I'm just happy enough to land an 114060! Can't beat that bracelet, and I love how in certain light... the bezel looks "ghost" OH!! The sound of that bezel click is sublime! Great video Adrian.

@Wa-wk6qk 4 года назад

Nice video, glad you skipped the refs that hodinkee already covered. New content is always better! And video is well done as always. Btw, is there such a thing as a 14060 with maxi dial? Like with the 5513? Or only the small plots?

@michalskorupski5165 2 года назад

Just got an unpolished 2-liner 14060M and I absolutely love it! The video definitely helped!! Thanks!!

@rigelmillan3836 Год назад

So helpful , I’m not a huge fan of the new version as it does look to square. Now it’s a journey to find a 14060m

@timford3599 4 года назад

No mention of the 5513 four line certified chronometer? Better or worse than the 5513 two line non certified Submariner? Would you weigh in on that question? The four line feet first I am speaking of is 1971/1972 vintage. Thanks for your help.

@bobbydazzler1780 4 года назад

I get the no date clean looks but the date and cyclops are just part of the Rolex look for me. I’ve got plenty of watches without a cyclops so that just gives the Sub it’s unique character. I guess I use the date complication out of decades of force of habit since being a kid. Which is the best Submariner? Well, drop the new 3235 movement in the ceramic date version and, date I say it, put the case on a bit of a lockdown diet and bingo, you’ll not get much better than that. They all but perfected the Explorer, the Sub should be next.