This is actually very useful. I didn't know the 2.5 inch uses a sata data, and since my mobo doesn't have a m.2 drive maybe I should get a 2.5 ssd for it
if it doesnt have a m.2 slot buy a expansion card that adds one, the only down side is you will not be able to use it as a boot drive so get a 2.5 ssd as a boot drive
@@crazydogowner only coupole of things you need to make sure: look at your mobo's guide you want a pcie x4 slot for the expansion card then make sure the expansion card supports the full speed of whatever gen of pcie your mobo supports, I.E. pcie gen 4 x 4 (most should have at least a gen 3 x4 or gen 4 x4 slot unless its really old )
Also very important, is the type of NAND flash. There is SLC, MLC, TLC, and QLC, with TLC and QLC being the most common. While QLC SSDs are cheap for the capacity, they’re generally not recommended for reliability because of their higher likely hood of error. For a boot drive, look for an MLC or TLC drive as these offer great price to performance to reliability without getting prohibitively expensive like an SLC drive.
@@brunobmartim it _is_ basics. QLC is literally meant for cheap r*tards. It has no place in a quality system that is expected to last reasonably long and retain data with minimum corruptions when it finally starts failing.
@@tumultoustortellini that one's a TLC. In any case, Samsung is the only real NAND manufacturer, period. With 10+ year warranty to boot. Buying anything else is shooting yourself in the foot, especially considering how Samsung EVO series prices are pretty much the same as TLCs from other vendors nowadays.
You can find a Gen 4 2TB TeamGroup MP44L M.2 NVME for around $60-70 these days, and they generally don't require an extra heatsink because they used a new material for the top sticker that acts as a heatsink.
As a 2TB drive that may be cheap but I wouldn't recommend something that lacks a DRAM cache on board. It has HMB but the performance is nowhere near as good as something like a 980 Pro 1TB which has a DRAM cache on it and can be had for just over $50USD
@@pancakewafflesfunny you say that because the model he is talking comes with dram cache Edit: Im wrong, it comes with slower cache that every drive comes with*
@@MnDogman It actually doesn't, please tell me where you got the information. I used a google sheet with several hundred SSDs on it to verify that it lacks cache
I remember being introduced to SSDs over 10 years ago when I brought my old Windows VISTA laptop to a repair shop. Something happened with my drive, so they asked if I wanted to upgrade to an SSD. I was like what's that? And they just said it's a "regular hard drive" but makes everything faster. And I was like okay go for it man. 😂 Little did I know my life changed, because he brought new life to that laptop just by putting an SSD
Yes, basically, nvme is good for storing your os and maybe your most played/demanding games, but 2.5 inch sata ssds are good for upgrading storage if your motherboard doesn't have enough nvme slots and there also pretty fast especially compared to a hard drive
Another important thing to know, some SSD’s do not have cache, and those are best to avoid, since they are barely faster (sometimes even slower) than a traditional hard drive. The annoying thing is that it’s often not listed in the specifications whether the drive does or does not have onboard cache, so you’ll have to google the serial number. There are however lists online with both 2.5 sata drives as well as M.2 ssd’s which are known to have cache.
Also, need to be stated, do not buy old NVME without dram cache. New NVME is less an issue since it is quite fast and most is split into NVME with DRAM or NVME with HBM
@@zazelskycrest2525what’s better for gaming ? I’m still on am4 and don’t care about the budget. I don’t need more than 1tb, I just want something fast to get more consistency. My external ssd does the job but I’m losing out on consistency. From 500 read / write to 7000 read / write is a huge jump lol.
@@silfrido1768 unless you constantly installing new games and need it to be ready in a snap, just either one will work, since once it is fully loaded, the different in boot time will be in 1 to 3 second. Direct storage tech also not matured enough currently
SATA drives, 2.5 or mSATA, are completely fine for day to day use. Most games can't even take advantage PCIe 3.0 x4 drives, though that is changing. Main advantage of PCIe drives are transfer speeds, which only benefits you if you transfer large files between drives regularly. Still, ANY SSD would be better than spinning rust drives.
@@nightfisher6676 not really, Operating Systems like Windows rely more on small random read performance rather than large sequential reads. I did a few tests when I upgraded from a Samsung 870 evo (SATA) to a Crucial P5 Plus (PCIe 4.0 nvme) and the load times were within 5 seconds of each other on average.
Bro, I think it was worth mentioning that people with older builds or who can't afford an nvme for whatever reason don't get disheartened. Purely gaming, in loading times you mostly don't even see a difference between a 2.5 inch ssd and an nvme.
Hi there dude I currently have a 1tb nvme ssd and I need more storage but I dont have another m. 2 slot if I upgrade to 2.5 am I going to see a big difference or no? I just need it for gaming my windows will always be on the m. 2
Like these days some games just go straight to gameplay from the start menu and if I dont have a m. 2 for these games is that going to affect my loading speed?
Nvme is cheaper than sata nowdays Unless you plan on buying an 8tb drive. If you have m.2 on your motherboard there is 0 reason to buy a sata. Only if you fill up the m.2 slots or if you need an 8tb drive.
More like "people with older builds that can't use nvme without an expansion card", I'd say. Because nowadays nvme sticks are not that much more expensive than sata ssd. Both are very affordable than it was 2 years ago.
@@junilogthe prices of them are usually clashing with each other. I think if anything, it would be sensible to add the SATA M.2 on top of the existing HDD/SSD for extra space.
@@spawnersiak it's important for the OS 🤦♂️ If it's just for your secondary drive then go ahead and use DRAM less SSDs, it will be fine. But if it's for your boot drive, then you should be using SSDs with a DRAM cache. Sequential speed ain't the first thing that's the most important part when it comes to operating system. Tell me you've never tried both drives as an OS drive to compare them without even telling me smh 🤦♂️🤦♂️
MB/s* B and b symbols are referring to two different units. You can use them together in a sentence, but you *can't* use them interchangeably. You'd still need to convert them numbers, just like inches vs centimeters.
@@kennethravanilla1422some ssd’s don’t have cache, often making them slower than hard drives. It isn’t listed in the spec sheets most of the time, so you’ll have to google the exact model to find out whether it has a cache or doesn’t. I’d personally just stick to a samsung m.2 as (from my knowledge) samsung doesn’t have any m.2 drives that don’t have cache.
@@brentmhlrthey dont make them slower than hard disk drives dude. Their write speeds tank but still faster than hdd and their read speeds are almost the same. Though I agree he should have mebtiined that as well as different size m.2 drives. Sometimes a full size m.2 wont fit in say a laptop or small form factor pc.
Not exactly. some games use data streaming to stream the game assets and will benefit from a faster ssd. Super ram heavy games will also run better on a faster drive as the pagefile will be faster.
@@fade2black001 Depends on the games you play yes :) Some major titles like FC24, Forza, Diablo IV and Forspoken already support it. At this moment I wouldn't invest in a sata SSD for gaming
I love these videos. I just got into electronics and I upgraded my laptop with more ram and switched out the cpu in my dad’s workstation for him. It was surprisingly fun and I love learning new things like this
A bit of guidance on the NVMe types would also be good. Example: If the PCIe 4.0 drive is not at least a 5,000MB/s drive, going with a PCIe 3.0 drive that has a DRAM cache is a better idea.
Fun fact : in CDs , datas are written by high intensity lasers, it physically changes the structure of a layer in CDs to make Ups and downs. these corresponds to 0/1 or binary hence the data
There’s also a 2.5 and 3.5 inch ssd that uses the u.2 connector, which is similiar to sata connector, but can support sata, sas, and pcie. One advantage of this over m.2 is that it’s hot swappable. But it is usually locked to enterprise market
Fun fact: The 2.5" referenced on SATA SSDs *does* *not* refer to the size of the drive itself, but to that of a comparably-sized HDD's internal platter.
I had an MSI 170 something motherboard with a 2.5 seta SSD and recently upgraded a bunch of parts and went with an msi z690 and have a m.2 nvme now. It’s actually crazy how much faster doing anything on my pc is, startup time, opening apps, games, clicking around the desktop, everything is 4-5x faster. If you’re thinking about upgrading this is 100% the first thing to upgrade!
what's way more importat than the maximum bandwith (as most of the benefits stems from the lower latency) is actually which type of NAND is used (Single Level Cell, SLC, though practically gone, would be best Quadruple Level Cell, QLC, is worst) and also get a SSD with DRAM buffer because otherwise it will suck if you copy a lot of data.
The 3.5" sata ssd's are great options for storage on your PC. Personally i usually go with a 500gb nvme for a boot drive. Then i toss in a couple of 1tb 3.5's for storage.
Actualy pretty easy to look up what your port supports in device manager vor windows! Or just search the specifications of your motberboard online! I'm gonna have to replace my ssd pretty soon but i think my priority is a graphics card
I recently installed a 2230 gen 4 NVMe in my (1st Gen) Surface Laptop Go that came with eMMC and now that thing is blistering fast and at some times also blistering hot. Turns out I should have used a gen 3 instead, but I'm glad it works!
Not just the motherboard, it also matters if your CPU supports the relevant PCIe generation. For example, the Ryzen 5600G seems like a good budget option but gen4 SSD's will only run at gen3 speeds
I was into SSDs early on, +20 years ago and i find it crazy that it is only in the last 8-10 years it has become the standard. However, any name brand SSD nowadays, including a SATA one will pretty much start windows instantly, games and maps will also load in mere moments. If you work with really big files it might make sense to get some super-performance stuff... Otherwise just get some basic shit.
Not only the motherboard needs to support the faster PCI, the CPU also needs. The Ryzen 5500 for example can only support PCI 3.0, even if you put on a motherboard with a PCI 4.0 port.
Sequential write and read speed should be the least important thing that a pc gamer is worrying about. As long as it’s a nvme ssd, the sequential r & w speed will be enough for most of us. However, you should put more attention onto the random r & w speed, 4K speed, and speed when caches are exhausted. Also, you should search for reviews for the specific ssd you’re planning to purchase because the ssd you’re looking at may have some problems causing you a headache (such as previous 980 pro, 0E issue, it may causing your ssd die earlier and your data is gone).
