some people think "i can react to it in a controlled environment so it's reactable" but don't realize that when that's the one thing you're looking for, your reaction time to that one thing increases significantly. i can throw a white wild assault if i'm looking for it, and only it (which means i'm giving up reaction time on literally any other option), after a wall break. i can't throw a white wild assault in neutral, much less in pressure.
I mean, isn't the general consensus across most FGs that 16-18f is around the human limits of reasonable reaction times in a match setting? Any faster and it's just a hard read/buffer, so it seems crazy to me to suggest that white WA is reactable - moreso when top players regularly get hit by tap dust (a ~20f move).
The problem with WWA is that Arcsys gave some of them to characters who absolutely did not need them (GL and Nago). It literally only makes sense for characters like Pot and Bed to have them as they’re defenses and offense are still limited in ways
@@Nyagro Strive hasnt gutted it, it completely changed the combo system from older GG games. Yes its more restrictive, but its definitely not worse than Xrds. And I played Xrd for a decent while before I got into Strive, though Ive always sucked dick in Xrd in comparison to people Ive played whove played fgs for way longer than I have. And still, coming back to Xrd after a while, I appreciate the combo system, but its not universally better than Strive. I despise how unintuitive it feels going from character to character and having to adjust your gattlings to that specific character AND to their special cancels. It feels like Im writting a finals exam whenever I try to play Xrd and not just mash 5KPP with Ramlethal as my only pressure string. I can absolutely see how much fun it can be if youre willing to put in the time to learn how every character works, but thats honestly insanely demanding when it come down to the time I have to spend in the phase of constantly trying to digest new information. Older Gear games are just too much, too much information and freedom for a mind of someone to parse in a reasonable ammount of time. Ive said this before, but if I was 13 again and I had infinite time and no responsibilities, I wouldve absolutely loved Xrd. But as it stands, I cannot see that games combo system as anything but overly complicated and archaic.
the worst part about white wild assault being unreactable is that getting hit by it on block or hit is a lose condition, so it's an unreactable threat that's in your mind all game because getting hit once can lose the round. grabbing it is so unreliable because you die if you're wrong
I would personally LOVE to see you talk about Season 3. I need someone to truly open up my eyes and break down all the mickey mouse clubhouse shenannigans that are happening this season. 🗣🗣
9:12 I agree with Hotashi. You can't throw WWA unless you're guessing. I know because I dash throw against players who have a tendency to WWA round start. The ONLY way that you can do it on reaction is if you BRC close to them THEN throw. (Hotashi you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about...) But even then it's still risky...
7:39 is _exactly_ how i feel about WWA. It's mindboggling it even gets to go thru supers. I don't know how ArcSys, a company known for fighting games, with decades of experience in the genre, put a mechanic this hamhanded in their flagship title. WA in general feels weirdly implemented. It's intended to be a *universal* mechanic, and the 3 types share their requirements and general effects, but some characters just get better versions than others. It's cool that Strive gives you more ways to use Burst but WA feels like it was designed without a clear idea of what it should be or the ramifications it'd have.
I was like “this song is so familiar what is it” then cathedral of shadows hit like hell yeah. I dash BRC every screen change now, rather abandon 50 meter than hold that or guess on WWA
To explain why, Playing against Nago feels like an RPS between him beyblading and catching me walking back, Getting wild assaulted and instantly dying, and getting caught by 2H for trying to jump over the other options. It feels really bad.
@@ckorp666 LTG level play right there. If you're gonna Alt F4 just don't play the MU in the first place. Weak af mental game. Legitimately a loser's mindset.
Tbf the sound of WWA is frame 1, so it can be possible in vacuum, but still in a real match telling it apart from any other sound when opponent got so many options is basically impossible, so actually still not grabable on reaction.
Reactable is supposedly "24" frames, Moldy Bagel, has a video on this however, when you layer options, be it "your" responses aswell as the opponents, its insane or essentially unreliable to react to well, anything, then again your predicting alot of things in FG's anyway. Don't have much to contribute to the conversation cept recommending the Moldy Bagel video cause I love it so much. GOD I LOVE MOLDY BAGEL! You too Hotashi.
White wild assault is the second worst buff that GL got this version. The worst was his C.S buff that they gave him while knowing damn well what they were doing to white white wild assault. C.S positioning him further forward would have been an okay change pre-season 3, but giving him that during the existence of WWA was an extremely toxic oversight. The 2k buff was a very good idea, but they should have left him alone after that. I just want my character to be good without being boring ArcSys please. ;-;
What about making 268H always being a minimum +6, instead of +3 min? That is the change that really makes me scratch my head, like... just completely unnecessary overkill, +3 was already totally fine and you could easily space it out to be +6 instead. Its just more braindead now
@@Smitteys86 that one I feel like is actually a decent QOL that wasn't really necessary. It's completely stupid because of the consistent spacing that the c.s buff provides
Wild assault single handedly killed the enjoyment of the game for me. The only one whos existence actually made sense was the blue one. Red WA/White WA fixes issues on characters that shouldn't be fixed (Goldlewis, ky, etc). What struck them to give characters whos strength is balanced around being weak in neutral but strong when they get in, a neutral skip
I kinda think that's interesting because WWA is the one thing that keeps Bedman from being a bottom 1 contender Nerfing it would leave him with even less to work with, so reworking it needs a lot of consideration.
WWA itself is still as broken, it's just the pressure that follows isn't as egregious as goldlewis'. For example, bedman still needs to rps to get error loops started, and potemking while still in a very strong position, just puts you in a strike throw situation
At the risk of simply restating what Hotashi said, I can try to explain. Frames are just units of time. It's not any more complicated than that. White wild assault has 20 frames of startup: that means it takes 20 frames for the animation to fire up before it can hit you. Hotashi says their bar won't go down until 4 frames into the startup, so if you're using the bar as your indication to react, you only have 20 - 4 = 16 frames. But regular throws in Strive also have 2 frames of startup, so you actually then have 16 - 2 = 14 frames left to react. The average human reaction speed is 15 to 16 frames, so this is unreactable to the average human.
i just came back to the game after a while, with bedman being the latest DLC the last time i played. Checked into ranked, got White wild assaulted multiple times by potemkin. Scrambled, and thought it was a new move they gave potemkin to help with his problems. then played against a goldlewis... i was shocked to see he had it as well. Don't really know what to do about it at the moment, i thought maybe i can kinda read it with my spins as anji, but it seems to just beat the autoguard clean and not even trigger it, unless i am getting outplayed by someone delaying the wild assault and holding the button
The slower start-up is the more reasonable option. Sin can 2S into OWA and mix you from that range. Jack-O gets a minion set-up off of BWA. WWA being plus On-Block isn't really the issue. It's the fact that it can skip neutral over how far it reaches AND be invincible too. WWA is the main Wild Assault that's encouraged to just throw it out raw. Personally, I'd let the invincibility property only trigger on the charged version so that's reactable. If it's a tap WWA, a poke can just interrupt them in neutral.
@@sirnarwhal9911 WWA is a move that -Skips neutral thanks to its I-frames and advancing property. The range was even buffed last patch -Enables mixups thanks to plus frames -Extends pressure (plus frames. Nago playsrs love to do this after 5SS) All at the cost of 50 burst. I think id remove the plus frames because while orange and blue wild assault are meant to be used for combos/pressure, it seems like WWA is used for botb neutral AND pressure. Definitely shouldnt be able to do both
This game has 0 8-2 matchups lmao. The worst matchup on this game is probably chipp v pot (7-3 in chipps favour according to pro players), and even that is slightly less bad this season with heat tackle and WWA. I don't think you know what 8-2 matchups really are. Axl is one of my mains few bad matchups (i play sol) and I'd still say the matchup is only 6-4.
@@ananmaysahu4563 honestly, i said 8-2 as an exaggeration, but the idea behind it holds true. having an advantage over another player as extreme as a +20% chance to win just because they picked the wrong character at the start screen is stupid. this isn't overwatch, and personally i'm glad that big-bodies have tools to actually get in on zoners and lessen their worse matchups as opposed to just handing certain players borderline free wins because the matchup chart says so.
I see completely for goldlewis and Nago. Potemkin is annoying, but unlike the other two he has no real neutral tools that help him take offense. Plus it’s the only 50/50 he has outside of meaty Garuda. Unlike gl and Nago who have insane plus on block or volatile strings. Bedman is in a somewhat similar boat to pot except he has some ok neutral tools
I on reaction to the audio queue can grab it most any time. I'm not at the highest level tho so maybe I got less goin on in my brain. I'm not even conscious of it happening tho, it just auto pilots it. Makes me feel like I need to try to get good at this game lol. Feel like the only things I cant react to are fast things like jabs and grabs. I should try to figure out what my limit is on that.
the only time I ever throw it "on reaction" is when I'm preemptively focused solely on them using WWA at roundstart, at least then I'm already prepared and I just listen for the audio queue yada yada but throwing that shit on reaction in neutral? bugging
idk as a pot main i can grab bedmen out of WWA just fine, assuming they go for the full length version (most do, since the quick version of WWA doesn't give you much advantage imo) edit: although i do agree that WWA is absolutely criminal on Goldlewis
I don't react to the bar, I just react to the animation or the white thing. It's 20 frame startup, and it's beaten by throw on same frame, so in the game it's 21 frames of wait. Subtract the 2 frames from input delay and one frame before the throw and you get 18 frame reactions It is reactable, however, I still think it needs a couple more frames of startup since it's still extremely hard to react to, especially when you're not using a hitbox/keyboard or on the PlayStation
I honestly can't believe Goldlewis was allowed to have WWA, not only that, have one that's, like, 3/4 screen's distance. This is a character that starts winning if he gets you to block at all and now just has the easiest access to an invincible plus move that gives all the hard knockdowns he could possibly have 😭 (On top of all the other stuff he has) Mind you, the other 3 that have it aren't innocent but Goldlewis' feels particularly belligerent.
if you make it minus on block its useless Make it reactable its useless reduce distance and it'll be like it was prepatch not comboable would be better imo id straight up just make it require 75% or 100% of your burst compared to other wild assaults, it'll still remain strong but the characters who abuse it won't be able to "loop" as effectively and it'll be a much bigger commitment
Wild assault was such a mistake, it doesn't really add anything interesting to the game and just sorted characters by who can utilize it the best since it is so strong.
If you look at the replays of someone who says WWA is react throwable against Leo Whitefang, you can see if theyre full of shit or not. Leos btH is 18f startup, so if they say they can reaction throw WWA and they are getting hit by btH, theyre a fucking liar!
I'm not even a pro and I can see where WWA messes Goldlewis' balance up. He's this character with bad defense and neutral, who has to rely on a small selection of neutral skips that the opponent can counter. WWA is an amazing neutral skip that he can cycle with the others, which has no solid counter.
it’s funny because this one move made goldie go from a meh C tier to a offensive monster, I like the think of it as a necessary evil for large characters except nago. Nago didn’t need wwa
@makoaman1831 Goldlewis was not a meh C tier. He was always an offensive monster. Even before WWA was introduced you can watch the good Goldlewis players oppress people with endless plus frames. He's been good for a long time, and if I'm correct, was top tier back when drone was super cracked. Even after it got nerfed he didn't go back to being bad. WWA is great in general and great for Gold, but it's not like it took Bedman? and Potemkin, both considered weak characters, and catapulted them up to high or top tier. Bedman is still bottom, and Potemkin is prolly mid now, but not solely due to WWA. He's been getting buffs patch and patch and got a new move too.
@animaIpath You know if you just go searching for S2 tier lists from pros, you'll see that he's bottom in none of them. Ranges from mid to top generally, but NEVER bottom one. Bold of you to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, but you didn't even know uncharged WWA was invincible. Arguably one of, if not the biggest mechanical change to happen to the game, talked about heavily, and you somehow didn't know that? Lmfao. And I don't know what I'm talking about. Do you even play the game?
i don't play this game competitively but i do play it a lot and even i've noticed this. i've always had people tell me "oh you can just grab it" but i knew that it was basically impossible. it's pretty crazy how one system mechanic can take one of the worst characters straight to the top and in contention for the best rn
Are we talking about Goldlewis? Goldlewis hasn't been "one of the worst" in a very long time. He's been rather strong to top for quite awhile. I forgot exactly what version really changed opinions on him, but it was awhile ago. When drone was cracked I think he was also considered top tier then. WWA is amazing, but it in no way took any character from the bottom to the top. Bedman? is still bottom and Pot is doing better recently, but it's not solely due to WWA. He's been getting steady buffs over time and has a new move. He's still close to bottom or around mid.
Swear. People told me that WWA wasn't broken and called me a scrub. They think their 1200 elo timmies are abusing the game's mechanics correctly, I hate Wild assault in all forms but the white one is a literal scrub enabler.
Some bad logic in this vid. Subtracting the 4 frames before burst is used from the time yiu have to react doesnt really make sense. Since grab takes 2 frames to come out, those 4 frames only matter if you react in 1/30th of a second (which i dont think anybody can reasonably do)
The "just grab it bro" propaganda also doesn't cover how the 14 frames where you HAVE to react ignores match pressure and you needing to watch for options outside of WWA. Not to mention the game has input delay which essentially cuts down your reaction frame
I love white wild assault because it’s broken. I think it’s pretty fair considering there are so few high tier heavies that they would have the best wa. I always feel like white has deceptively short range tho.
@@maxrusty3596 no I just play the game to see cool shit. You can have your balance discussions but I care about cool shit over balance. Balance is important but secondary
Someone ping me when ASW finally fix this game 😕 I'm glad I'm not a pro player and can just play whatever game I want rather than having to play something that's on the current tournament roster. EDIT: I don't hate the game, but for me it's become a lot less fun to play in the last 8 or so months which is a little sad since it's the game that actually really got me online, playing against humans and trying to improve (Before I just played the AI in most FGs and wasn't particularly serious about learning more than how to do special moves)
Even with how crazy Season 3 is, the game is relatively well balanced. Like unless you're competing on big stages, character strength really doesn't matter. Testament is bottom tier and you can watch their strong players wreck shop in weeklies. The game can use changes for sure, but it's not horribly unbalanced. If you haven't like the game for over 8 months, it's probably not for you.
@@notcraig255 Going by the size of the previous gg games rosters ( the largest being 25 playable characters total) and how some DLC's have been delayed, I suspect the end is near.
@@krazyzyko The only one I remember being delayed was Bedman? iirc, and roster size seems like a dubious reason to just... stop supporting their biggest Guilty Gear game. I can see a solid chance for a 4th season and then mayyyybe a 5th, but that'd be pushing it a bit.
nago players has problems with gl? don't make me laugh you have no neutral due to speed and reach and comparable dmg + unreactable high low yet blaming gl? disgusting Mr hotsshi, disgusting
