Who Are The Four Descenders? [Genshin Impact Lore and Theory] 

Alice is definitely the only person that fits the bill of a Descender

One thing I want to point out that Nahida never stated that there were only four descenders, she just said that the traveler is 4th. It could very well be that the Fatui could have counted a 5th, 6th and so on if there were any

Alice is kinda obvious. She has likely been inspired by the actual Alice from the fairytale. I won’t be surprised if we get the Cheshire eventually, too.

I'm pretty sure in the future, maybe in Fontaine, a Gnosis will be destroyed, which will get Celestia's attention and give us more Lore about the Descenders. They wouldn't introduce that possibility and do nothing with it, it's one hell of a Chekhov Gun to just ignore.

I've always thought of Celestia as an organisation or place, moreso than a person. It makes the vision distribution issue make more sense (individual archons can influence or determine but not take credit for vision distribution, that goes to Celestia Inc) and also gives a bigger imposing stake on the whole Fatui mission.

For the third descender our only shot is to list down every mysterious characters so: 1. Alice 2. Skirk 3. Columbina (most likely imo) 4. Paimon 5. Dainsleif (doubt) 6. Rhinedotter 7. If the abyss is actuallly an entity 8. Da Wei the Unusual Hilichurl

It's also possible that one of the descenders is a Fatui or one of the Harbingers, since they knew that Descenders exists; assuming that Nahida got the information from them in exchange for her Gnosis.

for alice it’s also notable that she uses the phrase “crossing the rubicon”, which would make literally no sense unless she either was from our world or travelled through it (i can’t imagine mhy would make an oversight that egregious). this also explains why she would know what idols were and why she would want to start her weird little pop star group

I think there are some holes here: 1. Fatui counts Four Descenders, us being the Fourth. We don't know if they count our appearance before Khaenri'ah disaster as base point, or when the game starts in Mondstadt as our first appearance, which means looking for other Descenders may be more difficult 2. We don't know if Fatui and Nahida know of existence of Primordial One. This also means that we have no idea if Primordial One and Heavenly Principles are the same entity or different. I also lean towards Fatui having no knowledge about Enkanomiya - the only enemies we met there were Abyssals and Vishaps, no Fatui in sight. 3. One character that was not mentioned that has high chance of being a Descender is Columbina/Damselette - as per Nahida, top three Fatui Harbingers have power on par with gods and she is ranked third. Childe also mentions in his voice line about Damselette that there is something not right about her (I have theory that she is either Descender or Last Seelie). Personally I think the Descenders that Fatui know of are: Heavenly Principles, Columbina, Alice and Traveler (and Aloy if we want to count her in). As for Columbina being Last Seelie theory - during last part of Aranyaka quest we learn that seelies we see are just husks of Seelie that lived long time ago. All seelie got cursed to become husks once they fall in love with humans (I suspect by Celestia). We also learn from Arama that last surviving Seelie that was in the desert befriended Rukkhadevata and Scarlet King. This gives Columbina strong motives for joining Fatui against Heavenly Principles - revenge for other seelie and for death of Rukkhadevata. Funnily enough, in comedia dell'arte Columbina is wife of Pierro and falls in love with Arlecchino to betray Pierro. But in Genshin some of the aspects of comedia dell'arte characters are reversed (ie Il Capitano in comedia dell'arte being braggart, deceitful and vainglorious is completely flipped). So this could also mean that Columbina never fell in love with human therefore keeping her form.

I do wonder about the sibling. According to Nahida the Sibling "suddenly appeared" during the fall of Khaenria. So either something happened to them at that moment to allow the Irminsul to keep records of them, or maybe the Sibling didn't exist before that. Also, I do believe the Traveller is right to question their memories. There is just a lot of things that don't currently make sense with the Sibling. Why would Khaenria affect them so much, a nation from a world they supposedly just saw for the first time? Why would they leave the Traveller and go on to wander on their own? And not once, but twice? The Sibling claims to care about the Traveller, but their actions don't really reflect that.

I was thinking maybe the sibling we’ve met is actually a copy since we’ve seen a lot of that in genshin with Albedo, Raiden, and now Dottore, so that’s why they’re “from Teyvat”, and the real one is still sealed up somewhere. I hadn’t considered irminsul information being messed with at all when we literally JUST saw that happen so that’s also totally possible lol so many questions😭

Keep in mind that we could be fooled by Nahida too. Remember that Great Lord was literally erased from the memory of the world. Could then Nahida be forced to remember some things? Contract, perhaps? The one Morax spoken about, that binds them to Celestia's will or something. Hence she could lie or half-lie, or keep silent about something, making us think wrong. Also, Time-Travel could easily make sibling 'belong' to tevyat, I think. I mean, if we remember Dain's quote from Tevyat Chapter Road "..then the threads of all fate will be yours to re-weave", souns really like time-travel. I always thought that siblings are trapped in a time-loop where one dies and another travels in the past in desperate hope to fix everything(by everything I mean not letting his sibling die, naturally). Thus both Aether and Lumine are canon as both Abyss and Traveler. Because they are literally BOTH, in one or another part of time-loop xd

The revelation of the Irminsul backdoor makes me worried about the future of the story. Everything becomes fallible and rewritable. I swear, if we get a "and it was all just a dream ending"...

Tbh I always felt that the living abyss granted abyss sibling abyssal physiology to integrate them into the Genshin verse so the irminsul could not record them as an outlander

My personal first contender for the third descender contender is Rhinedotter/Gold. She came into teyvat and threw a wrench into teyvat's laws for the sole reason of trolling everyone and the previous descenders.

Alice looks like a combination of Yoda, Good Witch of the North and Dumbledore, with a dash of Mad Scientist

What if the third descender was Columbina? We know literally nothing about her other then that she is a harbinger and that she looks like a seraph, so I think it's entirely possible for her to be revealed as a descender

If Dain gets his info from irminsul, how big is the chance that a descender is one of the people who either dont have miscellanys or whose miscellanys are made by Alice

I'm surprised, since you mentioned the Seelie, no mention at all of the Outlander who married a Seelie. They're currently pretty firmly penciled in as the "second" Decender for me, considering with how little we know about them they could also be one and the same with either the heavenly principal's or primordial one. Also no, Before Sun and Moon doesn't say who won the war between the First That Came and the Second. We just "know" said war ripped apart the heavens and the earth, and then the people of Enkanomiya fell into the Dark Sea. They have no idea of the outcome just that their gods had "abandoned" them outside Istaroth. Also it's books *on* Teyvat we *know* that are changed, based on Orobashi dying to conceal the existence of Before Sun and Moon. While it's entirely possible that ones in locations like Enkanomiya would also get changed, it's also possible objects like Before Sun and Moon count as Forbidden Knowledge.

What if the truth is that we aren't from another world at all? Like, everyone latches onto that right away and then are like "oh something is sus with the abyss twin". What if the opposite is true and we are the one who somehow got cut off from irminsul.

I think Zhongli might be a good candidate cuz records say that he just DESCENDED to teyvat and he's OVER 6000 years old and teyvat should be around 6000 years old. He's also a DRAGON and well, even if he isn't technically a descender, he's very sus

I would imagine that the Phanes won the war as it is implied that the war with the Thrones took place ages ago even before the archon war but we know that 2 of phanes's shades, istaroth the god of time represented by the timepiece and the Sustainer the god of space represented by the goblet, were active just 500 years ago. Of course there is always the possibility that they submitted to the Throne and are playing along with the thrones in a lie that the heavenly principles won.

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On the Celestia question you're missing two other options. Fourth option is that Celestia (the island) is deserted and that's why it looks like it's tilting. Of course that mostly shifts the question to the identity of the Unknown God. The Third option is that the Unknown God is not on either first or second throne's side. They are a shade who has been corrupted by the Abyss (per the Gnostic Chorus) and they are -- like the demiurge -- in rebellion against their real creator god / primordial one. The demiurge creates the Archons in Gnosticism after all. After the war both thrones were defeated leaving only a corrupted Shade to take over ("the keeper" - where "keeper" also translates as "sustainer" from Chinese). The first two options leave you wondering why bother even telling us about both thrones if whichever throne that was defeated plays no further role. Only option 3 has both thrones playing a role in the narrative.

I think that venti was given the power of the god of time. Because as we can see in most events, he brings the winds of the past to his citizens, AND he knows the ballads of the present, past and future. Isn't that suspicious? Most of us think that venti's power is just wind, but isn't it weird how he can know those ballads.

The Traveler goes around everywhere posting leaflets asking if anyone has seen their twin sibling. The Fatui know this. The Fatui and everyone else in Teyvat know that the Twins arrived together because it's not a secret. So if you go and look for those old posters (I believe some are still interactable objects in the game?) and they all disappeared after 3.2 archon quest then your theory would have weight. But if those posters are still there the Fatui of this samsara know that the Sibling and Traveler arrived together.

I take the Fatui at their word that there have been four descenders before Aloy, however, I still think the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles is the second descender. There is no way Nahida would know about the Primordial One since that's the knowledge Orobashi was killed for knowing. Alice, Colombina, or someone unknown is probably the third, if not the twin the Traveler entered Teyvat with, if such a person existed. The reason I say Colombina could be a descender is because of the six wings in her hair, like the six wings that Aether and Lumine had when they arrived, could indicate some status like that of a seraph. Which could mean she is not from Teyvat. One leak also called Capitano the strongest "'human'" in Teyvat. Pierro would technically count as a hilichurl/abyss creature, while Dottore is likely some kind of cyborg. Which leaves Colombina's identity. Some say she's a seelie, but it's weird if every member of her species died except her, so I don't think that's what she is. Though the fact the leaker themselves put the word "human" in quotation marks means Capitano is not a simple human. Theories about Traveler's twin are more interesting than descender theories, though. The first interesting theory I heard, is that the Traveler's original twin died, and the twin we know in the Abyss Order is some kind of recreation, perhaps through the ley lines. Another is that the Traveler never had a twin before coming to Teyvat, and their memories were messed with by the Khaenri'ahns or someone else while they were asleep as they made an opposite gender clone from the Traveler. And the third was that the Traveler's twin is still alive somewhere, and they are not the Abyss twin. The first theory is easily disproven, at least in the form of a clone created by the ley lines, because the Traveler didn't meet the original in the land between life and death during Hu Tao's story quest. So, if the person the Traveler remembers is a different being from the Abyss twin, then at least the person they remember is not dead.

Just maybe, the abyss twin is the one that manipulated Irminsul to change her data in teyvat, so that she can join the abyss order. This is due to the abyss opposing celestia who are foreigners to teyvat. So, to oppose celestia as an outsider, abyss twin might have done this.

The day we finally meet Alice will be a happy day.

Regarding "how fatui know". I think it's not only Nahida who can/has access to the Irminsul Tree. As Nahida found discrepancies about The Sibling's information in it. This means that someone has to read and tempered it before Nahida.

If you look into Honkai Impact maybe the first name you will think of when you see K.K. is Kevin Kaslana, who is the leader of the Flamechasers. In the manga there was an 'ARK Project' in the previous era which is basically sending two immortal fusion warriors with spaceships to find other inhabitable worlds. I think this is a possible connection with the travelers.

Well, for the Abyss sibling, Nahida tells us that the Irminsul has record of them, starting from what they appeared in Khaenri'ah 500 years ago. An Irminsul record existing for them specifically (not the memories of others, but their own memories) is proof that, according to Teyvat, the sibling is Teyvatian from that point on. However, given that we know that clones are possible in this world, the record that the Irminsul has could be that of a clone (idk why they would have a clone, but it's possible), or perhaps Irminsul's data was altered. Another possibility is that our twin made the decision to become Teyvatian somehow for some reason, perhaps with the help of Dainsleif (since they could've been together during that time + Dainsleif having access to the Irminsul).

No one is talking about Jiangxue being a descender. My theory about the sibling is that they travelled the "world" once and when the "world" reset, irminsul absorbed them, making them of the "world" When I'm saying "world", I'm talking about a simulation, like we experienced in Chapter 3. So the siblings is in a newgame+ mode.

I don’t think there’s enough evidence to say that Alice isn’t just a native of Teyvat that figured out how to travel to other worlds. Layla, Iansan, and Puchinella seem to be of the same elven race as Klee and Alice as they share the same ear type. Personally, I think that the Crowned Heir from the Battlepass cutscene might be a descender. The Crowned Heir and Queen of Darkness are similar to Abyssling and Traveler, but the details are too incongruous for them to be the same. Namely, titles (queen vs princess), motivations (Genesis pearl vs finding a new home), the timeline (the Twins arrived together, rather than one arriving later), and the battlepass character genders not changing with the siblings’ genders.

Part of me wonders if the Abyssal Twin is either a copy and/or possessed/controlled by another consciousness (Rhinedottir?). If you look at the intro literally, our twin is sealed away… Perhaps the Heavenly Principles was trying to capture the corrupt copy but captured our real twin. Data has been altered (Nahida says data is blurry at the Twin’s arrival and end of the journey in Irminsul)- so perhaps why our Sibling is in the records is because Irminsul is following the copy. Just a line of thought.

Regarding Pierro(The Jester), Scara already confirmed in the new archon quest that he was indeed a Royal Mage of Khaneri’ah and he even knew the Traveler’s sibling

I feel like Columbina has to be one of them, she is the one fatui harbinger we literally know nothing about and she could definitely be how the fatui even know about the descenders

0 dragon (native) 1st primordial (descenders/alien) 2nd celestia (descenders/alien) 3rd alice (descenders/alien) 4th traveler (descenders/alien) 5th aloy (descenders/alien)

After completing the quest I was intro to "descenders" in my knowledge this is basically outside beings such as the traveler. Now all I know the only descenders are Traveler, Alice and maybe the first is Phanes, his four shades and the Heavenly Principles. I have a feeling the Heavenly Principles is more than a person except it's a group of people that basically is like a company Edit:Damn

The 3rd Descender is highly unlikely to be Paimon since it was revealed in the latest Archon Quest, those who originate from Teyvat all had their memories wiped of the original dendro Archon's existence, yet Traveler retained theirs, indicating Paimon is tied to Teyvat (& therefore didn't likely Descend), unless there's some super crazy reason/scenario like the mystery currently surrounding traveler's abyss sibling; something to that nature.

When nahida said our sibling wasn't a descender I was suprised but i kept thinking what if the twins are considered being one descender instead of being two

Considering Alice's narration of both the Wanderer and Aloy's collective miscellany, I think it's pretty safe to assume that she's probably a Descender. She exclusively narrates those who are not known by Irminsul, as Aloy is from another world, and Wanderer erased himself from it. As Dain is from Teyvat, it's safe to assume that his vast knowledge on all the characters as Boughkeeper wouldn't extend to those who are not recorded by it.

I have been fascinated with Alice since she was first introduced. I get why she made this list, but I wonder if she might be a "reverse descender". An "ascender"? And/or maybe she is the offspring of a descender and a native of Teyvat - a Merlin like character. Personally, I really like this second option. Similar to Merlin, I see her as a character that has a passion for humanity (or the demi-humanity) of Teyvat, yet she is disconnected from them at some level as well. She is the author the "Teyvat Travel Guides". A series that catalogues areas of Teyvat but is also criticized in game for not being relatable (though I forget which NPC shared that comment). She has a daughter that she leaves in the care of a homunculus opposed to a human. To be fair and without diminishing the point, said homunculus is the "progeny" of someone she likely trusts. I see a certain trope here that makes my instincts think she is not one of the descenders. Now that we almost have playable Scaramouche, playable Alice when!

Alice is definitely the most intriguing character mentioned in all of genshin so far. I wonder when hoyo will give us more details about her

could it be columbina?? she has alot of angel wings on her design

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I don't believe the book Before Sun and Moon can also be fully trusted since we now know that the incident with Rukkhadevata altered the data of Greater Lord in the Teyvat Books, Aranara and even the in-game item descriptions. But then again, if Orobashi was sentenced to death after reading the book, at least some parts of the book may be true. If it is able to rewrite books that were already written long ago, then we can tell that Irminsul is capable to altering data in all points in time, not just the present. From the 2nd Raiden Story quest, we learned that Ei was the only one not affected by the memory altering when the Sakura appeared in Inazuma. She was in Khaenriah at the time. The Sacred Sakura is some sort of manifestation of the Irminsul Tree. So maybe the memory alteration only reaches a certain range. It does not affect anyone or anything that isn't connected to Irminsul so we can say that the Abyss or Khaenriah are not connected to the Leylines. This really confuses as to how it's possible even though Irminsul is said to be located in the Abyss or khaenriah, from what we know. I heard that Celestia removed Khaenriah's connection to the leylines so if Irminsul is in the Abyss then why isn't the Abyss Order trying to go after it.

I don't think Paimon is a descender. Why? Because she had her memories of the former Dendro archon erased like everyone else. Best way to know someone is a "descender?" They know who the former Dendro archon is. The only way for them to forget or know is if they're connected to Irminsul. Descenders, as far as we're concerned, are not. I feel this is how the Traveler is going to figure out who other Descenders are in the future.

are you gonna make an updated version of this video now that 4.2 has given us new info?

Wow, Aster pumping out new content! I‘m all here for it :D

I believe the Twins are much older than 500 years old. It seems that there are many events happening prior to the beginning of the game. Scaramouche tells Lumine Aether lived with the Jester in Khanri’ah during the time the Jester was a royal Madge. This was before Khanri’ah fell. Scaramouche also says he doesn’t know when Aether entered or left Khanri’ah. I see Dainslief as an over-coverage to the Jester as the 12th Harbinger.

I cannot be the only one who thinks the glimpse we get of a shooting star in Nahida story quest final cutscene is HUGE.

I think the connection with Angels is quite an interesting perspective. Could the four Descenders be linked to the Arch Angels (Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, Uriel)?

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Straight up if you know CN/JP/KR, you'll know who Paimon is, 原神/Genshin means 原 Original/Elemental 神 God, double meaning on elemental gods and the Original God. Now look at the Genshin logo and you'll literally see Paimon's halo on top of the words Genshin, which straight up tells you that Paimon is the Genshin, Original God, which means she is Phanes. Also for Alice, I think she's more an "Ascender" than Descender, she travels to other worlds from Teyvat.

Could the unusual hilichurl be also a Descender?

Aster really turned into an aranara, i thought it was just her twitter account 😭

I've always found it strange that the Traveller could possibly be a Descender, but the other sibling isn't. So maybe they are both descenders, considering that they both came from another world (supposedly), and that the separation of the siblings was just a side-effect of being captured by the red floating box lady in the beginning cutscene. Maybe the siblings were separated because the power of two descenders together would mean certain destruction for Celestia, and the red floating box lady was sent by Celestia to separate them because they knew that the siblings could destroy them if they are kept together? Also, we know that the Traveller will definitely reunite with their sibling, even though the sibling has taken a different path. But maybe the sibling did this in order to gain the favour and trust of the Abyss (and before that Khanrei'ah), so that they could join the cause in getting rid of Celestia for good. Because if the celestial nails can cause the destruction that we've seen that they can do, the siblings will need all the help that they can get. Which is also why I think that the traveller will eventually side with the Tsaritsa and the fatui, because they will eventually realise that they are gathering all the gnosis in order to take Celestia down. (sorry for such a long comment!😅)

Zhongle is one of them for sure, because he say that there is tow survived archons after the archons war even after nahida deleted the old dendro archon informations from the armensoul

It’s gunna be crazy if Aloy is a big part of this story too

Yeah Aloy definitely the 5th They said in her trailer that there hasn’t been another like her in 500 years, meaning it should be pointing at another descender and that would be the traveler

I don't know much about the descender, however i have found new knowledge about Aether, from greek mythology. I found out that he has a twin sister hamera, who he married(maybe because they are married in greek mythology lumine name was change).However Aether was know as the first born son, and is also "a primordial one" which means that there is a chance thar the celestial and the traveler could and might be related. It also means that the traveler may have more siblings then we thought.

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They could also throw us a curveball and just add a new Descender which now that I think about it could be kinda cool

According to the voice lines, technically Aloy is a decender. I was super curious if they were going to be bold enough to include her but not dwell on it.

your voice is so soothing and smooth

I think nubelung, the dragon sovereign, after going out ,came back with the power of abyss is the third descender.He was orginally from the world but later is gone out from the world just like how our abyss twin right now is seen as someone who is in the world not a descender. This could be related to 'he' described by deinslief after our recent khanreah quest in sumeru.The 'he' here could be nubelung, who could have the power to tamper with irminsul effectively changing past of our abyss twin to make her believe that she is an abyssal princess. This has a lot of loopholes but can give you a general idea of what to look out for. I still believe nubelung is 3rd descender with how the story of "before sun and moon" and apep's description of the Second war, which is nubelung return war, is perfect if you see the returning nubelung as 3rd descender.

I've always wondered if Paimon is a seelie. Lately, the writing for the quests have started putting more emphasis on how attached Paimon has become to the traveller (is the english translation the only one which specifies Paimon's gender?), while also adding lore which suggests something bad will happen to a seelie if they fall in love with a human...

I feel like the 3rd descender is either 1. Pierro 2. Dainslief 3. A character we’ve never met (probably meet them in the next few archon quests) 4. Somebody who died and hoyo will make us time travel back and meet them Also what if genshin ends with our sibling dead?

There's a bit of detail that could further support Alice as a 3rd descender. Up to now every character skill explaining video is voiced by Dainsleif, except Wanderer, his video is voiced by Alice. A speculation could be made is that since Dainsleif is from Teyvat, he do not remember who is Wanderer, and since Alice remember him, she's not from Teyvat.

Great video! new sub :)) I wonder why MatPat hasn't talk much about the lore would be really nice to hear him out

From what I heard, Sustainer in game files has name "Asmodei" so it matches to the pattern, as it is modified demon name Asmodeus

One of descender is isekaid people, that is my theory btw.

love this so much!!

Another important question that we should ask. Of the 4 descenders, who and how many came to teyvat after being hit by a truck

Just imagine if all the first three descenders were the traveller themselves XD Just different versions like how Nahida is Rukkhadevatta in another samsara LMAOOO (but I don’t think that’s really the case cos it might be a boring reveal 🤷‍♀️)

The part about rukkedevatta reminded me about the forbidden knowledge. In one of the scenes from the desert archon quest, the ancient sumerian priest said that forbidden knowledge is not from this world. It could be another descender maybe?

Wow, cool video. Time to leave it in a playlist for a few months until I finish the archon quests in order to avoid spoilers...

The 3rd Descender was always among us. Yes you guys know him. The 3rd Descender is none other than........... .........."Da Wei". 🤣🤣

What if the leader of the Abyss is one of the Descender? Since I think the Abyss is the one who change the sibling's fate.

Watching this one year after, i can say that most of your ideas are still standing as quite possible truths. But when the history changed after the sumeru archon quest, everyone would only remember the newly written history but only the descenders would remember the previous one and remember rukkadevata. Paimon doesnt remember her but Zhongli's voice lines hide something mrvelous, everyone's voice lines for the sumeru archon changed but Zhongli's didnt so he has a case of being a Descender,might not be the 3rd one but stil it could show that there are more than only 4 descenders

Fatui must be had contact with one of the previous descender if they knew these entities is not from teyvat, even if fatui had access to leylines, descender info cannot recorded in leylines afterall

Lumine is the 3rd Descender. Having to wake up first before her brother, she got to explore Teyvat first. We knew that because of Dain. Now, you said that Dain has access to the Irminsul. What if Dain is the one that can manipulate it? What if he manipulated the Irminsul to make Lumine's origin from Teyvat to protect her from Celestia or the Sustainer. This may also be the reason they grew apart because Lumine might have opposed this idea but Dain still did it.

I am a big fan of Zhongli being the Descender. 1. His story literally says he descended 6000 years ago 2. His text was changed after Sumeru archon quest 3.2, but only slightly. As in, the structure of the senteces was altered, so MHY did not miss his text, but the content of the sentences about archons stayed the same. That old fuck remembers Rukka.

In the archon quest paimon forgets about the greatlord and only the travler remembers the so that should means paimons is from teyvat and Nahida did say some could have changed the twin fate of obscuring it

What is Aster's accent? I love listening to her talk, there is definitely a lilt of something in there

About the fallibility of most (if not all) evidence we currently have, I think it's necessary to keep it in mind, but not assume they are all false. After all, if all we know is fake, then the lore might as well not exist. Honestly, I kinda think Hoyo introduced it into the lore just so they can retcon stuff if they change their mind on it later, lol

For some reason Kaeya always crosses my mind as "descender". Not sure why, but I think it's up to interpretation in terms of "descension". For example, Kh'aenriah is gone, would it be considered another world by that logic? Is the abyss of this world? Things like that. I have a feeling that was intentional, to leave the grounds of being deemed a descender ambigious for now. A, because Nahida was only told surface level info, and B, the story would end too quickly. But just the concept of Kaeya's lack of immortality despite his ties to Kh'aenriah, and sudden appearance in Mondstadt of ALL places. Who else appeared there? The traveler and Paimon. Mondstadt seems to have a lot of thar going on 🤨 Also, with Aloy canonically in the world, she is likely a descender in one timeline, maybe not the main one due to being a crossover.

Just a bit of info about some of the irl demons, that Istaroth (Astaroth) is not from the book of Ars Goetia, so in genshin they could be from different origins (first and second throne?), But then again Beelzebul (Beelzebub) is not from the Goetia either, but is related at least historicaly to Baal but still considered different and unrelated demons many texts. So i dont know if these could be considered the same type of gods as the archons came from or if they are a different type or tier of demon gods.

I believe that Morax/Zhongli might potentially be one of the descenders, considering there are hints to him still remembers Rukkadevata, also his origins are less known than the other archons we've met so far. Venti was a seelie, Makoto and Ei were born from lightning, Nahida was created from the purest branch of Irminsul....But what about Rex Lapis?

Personally I think that Pierro or one of the Fatui could be it. I mean, they've already shown to have unique character amongst them. (Dottore and his clones, Scara is a puppet of Raiden Ei, and Tartaglia was in the Abyss for some time)

Remember childe's mentor ? Is she from teyvat ? paimon cant have been a descender she forgot about rukhadevata (unless she's playing dumb) so that means she's from this world . Also you know how zhongli was demoted to teyvat , where was he before ? Does it count of outside teyvat ? This one might be a bit far fetched but the unknown entity thing reminded me of the movie interstellar and I had the idea of the abyss sibling making a replica of themselves in khanriah and travelling back in time to change or alter some things (some relations to istaroth?) And completely have hidden any trace of them and released their copy to replace them for a while which is what we think our sibling is What do yall think ?

Are you gonna post your live reaction to Sumeru’s 5th Archon Quest? I want to see your reaction to the lore drop.

So the Descenders are like angels... and we have four of them... Also they are connected with the artifacts (Idk how to explain that here) I think that it is like this: Crown = heavenly principles Hourglass (Time) = Paimon Goblet (Space) = ??? Flower (Life) = Traveller Feather (Death) = Columbina

I like some of your ideas but you throw too many ifs and buts, and the logic is very messy. Better to focus on one or two ideas within a theory and try not to pursue ones that are so vague, weakly linked or overly complex. This isnt Kingdom Hearts. The writing so far has been VERY basic.

Interesting and enjoyable video, as always.

also a point to the fatui knowing this information is the exsistence of the tsaritsa and their relationship to her, she's been around before the cataclysm 500 years ago, but not the archon war, so I feel like she wouldn't mistake the sibling as being from teyvat.

Omg I can’t wait to get more more quests like the one we had they are so gooood, I really hope hoyoverse keeps the quality up

What an amazing narrator, you can tell she's good emphasizing the phrase "limited" 5:20