Who Can Build the Coolest Tunnel Track? 

0:42 “hopefully we’ll gets some randoms too” *literally the best zeepkist players join the server* 😂

For those wondering, trackmania is verified through input replication; it has deterministic physics and the game records inputs

TrackMania does use Replays for Validation, however for this game to be able to do the same it would need to remove the slight randomness that happens as you go

Video idea: 15 minute build with a track that has a big shortcut. Everyone would know everyone had a shortcut, and it would be insanity cause people would be jumping off looking for spots to cheese.

Idea for Zeepkist: best maze track in 30 minutes or so, be interesting to combine gravity racing and pathfinding

trackmania has the huge advantage that the physics are deterministic, the replay file just contains all playerinputs with timestamps and replaying it means simulating it. As long as the file is legit it will always produce the same time and the only way to cheat it is by making the car drive perfectly.

1st Place: kAN. His track was very simple in its design, but had lots of room for mastery. 2nd Place: Dapper. An interesting but simple track. With abundant use of decoration obstacles. 3rd Place. Kosmo. An seemingly simple track with a unique twist using the ramp platforms. A fun time that could turn frustrating.

From a developer perspective, calculating an estimate of the minimum time is unfortunately not a trivial task, especially since physics are non-deterministic in this game. However, a lower boundary could be calculated quite easily, so anything below that boundary would clearly be fake. It could just be iffy to determine a fake as players approach the lower boundary, but would definitely be better than having zero second times considered valid.

It would be cool if Kan tweeted when he is recording so viewers can play with him and make the episode more engaging and fun

Track mania has deterministic physics. The replays for that game are basically just the exact inputs that player did to get that run. Because you have access to the exact inputs that they used you can look at them and tell if they look like a normal person playing. They also now require all records to be done on servers, so can't fake something in single player.

I've been loving the zeepkist content it looks pretty fun

on this map i think you should brake a tiny bit on the edge of the jump. Notice how when you came in low and hit the smooth landing perfectly that was when you got the fastest time.

Perfect timing, literally just on your channel to see if anything was new and boom!

Trackmania does validate records with replays, but that's completely deterministic, which Zeepkist as we understand it is not.

Great video kan, I would love to see more!

Validating times from replays will be harder than in trackmania, because zeepkist doesn't have "deterministic" physics. Technically it is deterministic if the frame rate is the exact same between two runs, so you could probably use that to validate times. The computer displaying the replay would just need to speed up or slow down to match the frame rate of the recording. You'd just need to save the amount of milliseconds between each frame.

“Aggressively takes dump while whacking this”

i really love the zeepkist series. Keep it up!

I was waiting for this episode

I just bought this game, I am coming for ALL of your records kan!

Hope you guys will do a race at some point where cutting is encouraged. Have like multiple different places you can cut. Some which you can only use with a ton of speed others which you can only get if you scrub all speed in the earlier section. Have some cuts that are mutually exclusive. Just to see all the chaos of people using different routes.

Love this game thanks for the video

Kan... Daily videos? I believe in you man.

I think one of the most difficult tunnel tracks would be a speedy straight line down hill that then goes into a banked turn. By speedy, I mean full boosters all the way down. You basically are trying to not get yeeted out of the turn at the bottom and the goal is just a straight shot out of that turn. Check point at the bottom of the hill, check point at the end of the turn. No cheese, easy build, pain to complete.

I didn't see the others tunell tracks. But this was a cool tunnel track.

9:48 Trackmania uses a combination system. For a long time, they only used replays in combination with moderators to verify legitimacy, but recently they added a second layer. There is a patch to the game that you are required to use to be able to submit your times in order to confirm legitimacy of runs, because some people started using tas tools, macros, and game slowdowns to cheat runs. I think that replays are a definitely a necessity for Zeepkist, but something similar to the patch for Trackmania would probably be a good idea to guarantee that runs are legitimate. Also, I think that one of the major reasons you are losing time to people like Warcans is due to jumps. In Trackmania, when you have a large jump, people will often purposefully slow down just before so that they land sooner and can accelerate to a higher speed. That higher speed then snowballs into tenths of a second or even entire seconds depending on how long the section after is. In the case of your track, it would last from the landing ramp until the 200 speed booster, but that would surely make a huge difference. Of course, this only works on some jumps, but it is a good technique to keep in mind

Background music in the beginning has “Cleanin Out My Closet” vibes

i still haven't seen Kosmo's video but the upside down twist is gonna be hard to beat

Yes Trackmania does have the replay feature which recordes the exact time of all inputs, which allows it to create an exact replay of the original run. If the replay run fails or gets a different time, it is an invalid run.

As cool as the other tracks were, I have to give it to Kan again, that reverse upsidedown spiral double back ending.. is sick

Nice job

Late to this, but this was the best of the three

9:50 yes, but trackmania replay files are small because it has deterministic physics. This game doesn't so you would literally save video files.

I have a strategy that may be faster so you turn to always stay the lowest possible the path will be shorterand the gravity thing will make you faster (like on your 36,597s run)

Loving zeepkist! Try a no hands theme next

I love your channel pls do more multiplayer Monday on trailmakers

Your run where you hit the ring has your time at 36.3xx right before you contact the ring. Realistically looking at around a 36.4ish, still good for second.

Verification by replays would still allow TAS speedruns unless the replays are well obfuscated

Would like to see what kind of track y’all can come up with, with more time

Nice

You should show your first run on each of their tracks and maybe your best too.

jus got the game, its pretty cool thx kan for showing us this awesome new indie game : )

We need to get ScrapMan to start playing this

“how are you going faster than me?” “skills” _-skill issue-_

Sounds like a dutch game. Most likely from the red bull zeepkisten race

I wish all 3 tracks were in one video

13:25 disappointment then instant happiness

Kans track reminds me of the pipeline realm from acceleracers

You should do a track that doesn't require you to move to get to the finish but if you do move you can't finish the level.

iirc trackmania replays store the inputs and the position of the vehicle, so when the game validates a replay it simulates the gameplay with the inputs and if the car is in the same position then it's valid, however there were still cheaters so the competition patch (which has a lot of anticheat upgrades i think) is now needed to claim a world record

Trackmania is method of record tracking will not work for this game because trackmania has a completely deterministic physics engine which means the replays are literally just redoing the inputs

It’s a shame no one tried to achieve the cheese. I think it is possible, though the speed required is exacting.

Tunnels are in almost every single video

Aww it reminds me of STUN Runner

I bought the game because of your videos. It's really addictive! Already have 10 hours in the game in 3 days

I saw everyone aiming for the hole

I just watched kosmonaut's vid and was like where is kan's then I get a notification kan posted a vid lol.

14:16 Look at the chat! Hilarious!

After a few days you should post the video of you racing the other two tracks also.

9:50 TrackMania also record the input you did in the replay, so if the ai uses the same input, the outcome(record time) should be the same. TrackMania record also spread into AI assist record and NO AI, Manual only record. But I think this game is hard to follow the TrackMania method, as the physics isn't the same all the time as TrackMania.

Wow, perfect pronounciation. Like PERFECT

I think this is the Algorithm D×s=t then calculate the shortest line between check point then do it agoin

I'd love to see kan play trackmania

It would be fun if you made the background music for the building timelapse a "rickroll" for april fools.

Pretty sure Warcans could beat your 3.474 seconds record by at least one second

Lol "i was talking to the developer the other day" as the first place is the dev

I need more

Weird kan how staying low makes you go faster

Lol the equation for minimum time B(x)/200 B=length of each track piece x=amount of track Say each track piece is 300 units long and there is 9 of them. Multiple 300 by 9 the divided by the max speed of 200 to get the minimum time of 13.5 seconds.

Kan I got an idea. Instead of 15 minutes what about a longer time for more complex tracks?

You should get scrapman into this with you three

The anti-cheat method based on replays works fine on Trackmania because its physics are deterministic. Zeepkist to what I know is non-deterministic, and the same actions could lead to different results.

It took me a moment to relize the dev was in the game

warcans need to talk to the dev

They should have saves as wad files.....then It's the whole level itself as played by whoever and they are small files

Didn't the devs already tell you to stay low in turns to use gravity to gain/maintain more speed?

Hi kan. Hope your having a great day.

Can you add a hud over the buttons you press? I think it would be cool

Can you do this but all do a certain texture so like one person is ice and someone is like something else?

Can we get @warcans to post more of his pov on his channel?

Blue

Wow

nice :)

Gotta bee here before it’s 5 minutes old

Dam it

8:35 You can go faster than 200 downhill.

Hello, I belive you like space stuff. Would you try Starbase? This game is in Beta but its playable and worth Your time. Since You are actual engineer i think you would handle SpaceShip desinger very well :) Maybe give it a shot?

Greetings from Germany!🇩🇪😅

Yeety pipes

The problem with games like this and leader boards are the non-deterministic physics. As you can get a different result each time, there is no certain "fastest" time. I think it would be better if the game had deterministic physics. Then replay files can be generated which log all inputs like in trackmania. Then you just have to deal with tool assist.

Do you play community maps? I recently made some. They're easy to learn but very hard to master, called "Dusty Highways (2 levels)" on the workshop, took me about 3 hours each

Do you have footage of the “Super League” competition? If so I would love to see a video about it (Edit) Never mind just watched kosmo’s video I would like to see the next one though

How trackmania validates replays: Trackmania's physics is deterministic, so the same inputs will give the same results every time. In trackmania, when validating a replay file, the game will run a "bot" through the game using the same inputs the replay used (this happens at 1000x speed) If the replay is legit, the bot's run will be identical to the replay. If cheats were used (increased grip, faster acceleration etc.) the runs will be different and the game will flag it as an invalid time. This won't work for Zeepkist because unity's physics engine is not deterministic.

"How do you stop cheated times?" Really the only solution I've seen is that the game could record the entire race to log with the Time, that way, if someone's timescore seems ill-legitimate, it can be pulled down off the leaderboard. That's probably the 'easiest' way to do this, though.

kAN you wonder how the others is shaving of SECONDS. If I remember right, when you talked to the dev, he said the to be faster in banks, you should be on the bottom. Edit: BRUH while I was writing this, you and Kosmo talked about this.

I know how you feel about cheaters. That's something that plauged Forza Horizon 4 and 5. Some the timed laps and distant jumps don't make any sence from hackers and cheaters. I wish they would fix it and delete the them!

Someone should make a track resembling rainbow Row from Mario Kart

Trackmainia wooooooo

I like Dapper track the most then kosmonaugt, kan

I have a series idea for scrap mechanic you could do a underwater base like what “camodo gaming” did 4 years ago