Who Is The REAL EuroLeague GOAT? 

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a player without a title can't be considered

Navarro deserved a mention at least.

There’s no denying Mike James’ ability to score, but we all know Kill Bill is still the GOAT.

l like a lot Mike james but starting a conversation for the goat of Euroleague for a player that doesnt have a trophy is at least hilarious if not offending

my favourite player is Diamandidis. (i am not panathinaikos fan) . with him we learned how important defence is, we learned to love defending skills, pick and roll , deflections .. of course top 5 are also navaro,bodiroga,spanulis,jasikevicius

Bodiroga, Jasikevicius, Navarro, Spanoulis, Diamantidis

Juan Carlos Navarro wasnt even mentioned how?

Dimitris Diamantidis- 3D - all day and all night ! A 2 way -clutch player and a leader. made every teamate happy with assists, defence, blocks , steals and rebounds.. it's not only the defensive talent but the contribution to the team, making everyone better . the GOAT coach Obradovic can vouch for him !!

For me, it's still Bodiroga. He was the winner on every team. He made every team title winning team. I might be slightly influenced by his 2 World Titles and 3 European Titles with the national side.

im an olympiacos fan, so it goes without mention that spanoulis is my guy, but guys like bodiroga had less games in the league(different format back then). so its unfair to compare points or w/e. mike james shouldnt be on the discussion, he is like a teodosic... amazing players, totally inconsistent and if they have a bad game they take their teams down with them... i remember teodosic when we faced him in 2012 finals against csska. the guy spent the first half firing on all cylinders... then he choked and had me yelling at the screen "thats who you are" every time he was missing a shot(he was for years in olympiacos and i love him, but he was inconsistent with us as well! xD)... on the other hand guys like diamantidis were almost never wrong... he wouldnt have a 30pts game, but if he missed 3 shots he knew it wasnt his day and he had to pass it to not ruin his team, and he still was a great defender and a playmaker. spanoulis without saying he could be 0/30 in the first 3 quarters and a half but if you needed 5 pts in the last minute he would give you 6. then you have guys like navarro, rodrigues, fernandes who cannot be overlooked, despite having played in the nba which fucks up their euroleague legacy

Stats and records are cool and all, but you need the titles to match them. Until then, he's not even top 10.

Diamantidis, Spanoulis, James, Bodiroga have all played in Panathinaikos. This is impressive if you think about it.

When you combine Be Like Mike and King James, you of course get Mike James

Mike James can not be relied upon. Not even in the conversation for the Goat

Credit to Mike James, I loved him when he was playing in Vitoria for my team, Baskonia. But I think is delusional to even try to create a debate about him being the Euroleague GOAT because of the scoring record. He hasn´t even won a MVP or a Euroleague title, and I highly doubt even if he is a top 10 Euroleague guard of all time. He is not better than Spanoulis, Diamantidis, Navarro, Llull, Larkin, De Colo, Teodosic... Also, the scoring record in the competition needs big context. In the NBA, the record is more meaningful because they have played 82 game seasons for 70 years. Here, the record is highly influenced because of the number of games that the Euroleague has now a days. To put it in context, in the finnal seasons of the 2000s a Euroleague team could play a maximum of 21 games in total (10 games Group Stage, 6 games Top 6, a best of 3 playoff series and 2 games in the Final Four). Now a days, you have 34 Regular season games, a best of 5 playoff series and a Final Four, so around 40 games, almost double. EDIT: Just watched the video. The fact that there´s not even a mention of Juan Carlos Navarro and that Mike James is named in the top 4 is just ridiculous. Not a single rational argument can defend that opinion.

Diamantidis was a very different breed of player, he did half of what he could do and still is in a GoAt conversation. Amazing player!

Honorable entries that didn't mentioned: Navaro, DeColo, Micic, Larkin, Vujicic, Siskauskas, Vesely, Sergi Rodrigues, Teodosic, Papaloukas

Spanoulis was a beast both in pao and olympiacos. He was the finals mvp in 2009 in a team full of stars. Then he moved to olympiacos in a very young team and won back to back titles. With him also Olympiacos made 2 appearances in finals 2015 2017. These finals took place in the home court of Real and Fener accordingly. He is in every stat line in the history of euroleague but i think that the reason why he is the goat is his mentality.

As a greek and a pao fan,i completely agree with vspan and diamantidis veing the candidates,but i gotta give the goat title to bodiroga.I mean the guy was consistently winning in every team he was in(including serbia national team)and i cant remember him having bad nights.Unstoppable at his time.Mike james should not be in the discussion in my opinion,but for he gets the most fun to watch player..p.s:navaro for honorable mention

And now Vasilis spanoulis is a pretty dominant coach too

Where are Nando De Colo and Navarro?

Diamantidis, Spanoulis, James, Sarunas, Siskaoskas and Bodiroga have played in Panathinaikos. That's why this team create beasts. Sarunas was almost benched when pana 2009 won the euroleague. Amazing team

Bodiroga and there is no room for discussion about it

Bro you always make the best videos from your channel . Always a logical question and results based on facts . Some may not agree with your choises but no one can say they are unsubstantiated ! Again always a great video . Only one advise/joke if can say . My neck is hearting from looking over my left shoulder if someone is coming :D !

Spanoulis, no question. It's not only the titles and the mvps, it's that he lead a team of boys in 2012 and 2013 to win the euroleague. Papanikolaou, Sloukas, Mantzaris, even Printezis and Hines were almost nobodies in 2012 and together with average level players like Erceg, Gecevicious, Antic and Dorsey, Spanoulis won the Euroleague back to back. With his play (1st all time scorer and assister at his time) he turned players like Hines,Dundston, Hunter, Birtch, Milutinov into stars with multimillion contracts. Diamantidis is also a legend but he won everything with the highest budget teams, with star teamates. The same with Saras. It is not only how good a player is but the situations under he shines.

Navarro definitively deserved an honorable mention as he was one of the most feared scorers of his era. Overall the goat convo for euroleague is super difficult and complicated and i think its important to take into account the supporting casts thses stars had as well. In my books Sarunas, Bodiroga and Spanoulis have the most powerful cases...

De Colo? 2 titles, 1 mvp, 1 finals mvp, almost got the all time scoring title, nevertheless 3rd and will become 2nd soon. Most PIR accumulated in eurloeague history

GOAT: Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Bodiroga Best Player: Bodiroga, Parker, Kirilenko Best Scorer: Parker, Larkin, James Best Defender: Kirilenko, Diamantidis, Hines Best Creator: Calathes, Papaloukas, Diamantidis Best Shooter: Carroll, Navaro, Vezenkov Most Clutch: Lull, Spanoulis, Diamantidis Fun to watch: Saras, Teodosic, Rodriguez Honorable mentions: Micic, Mirotic, De Colo James can't be considered yet the GOAT. He needs to win at least one Euroleague title and imo two just to be actually in the conversation. He will get his first MVP most likely if Monaco finishes 2nd place this season. Counting stats are not that important. Longevity matters off course, but even the averages don't tell the whole truth. The general rule is that we can't compare players or teams from different eras. Basketball changes slowly each year, but there are actual changes that lead to that. Bigger court plus more space because of better shooters, assists for foul shots, a lot more games, best europeans going to the NBA, etc.

Toni Kukoc, only one with 3 times in row euroleague champion, 3 times final four MVP. only guy with 4 mister europa awards. World championship and eurobasket winner and MVP. Very underrated.

I would mention Navaro as well but im fine with your list. My all time favourites are Diamantidis and Bodiroga but im PAO fun and im biased. However, the GREATEST Basketballer who has EVER walked on a European basketball court or ANY other court on planet Earth is called LUKA DONCIC. The GOAT! Keep up the great videos

If you are the best, you have to win something for the national team in your career.... Diamantidis i spanulis 🥇euro basket 2005. Sarunas J 🥇euro 2003. Navaro 🥇🥇 euro 2011,2009 🥇world cup 2006. Bodiroga 🥇🥇🥇euro 1995, 1997,2001 🥇🥇 world cup 1998,2002.

Diamantidis was the most complete guard. Amazing defence, vision, clutch

The best 2-way player ever, the best defender, passer and leader of his time combined with clutch shot making and numerous titles and accolades: Dimitris 3D Diamantidis.

i saw Panathinaikos, Real ,and Olympiakos teams on the video 2433 times lol 3D Diamantidis...omg i remember Diamantidis Spanoulis and Sarunas on the same team of Panathinaikos

When Mike James will win an euroleague title, then he could join this conversation but right now Spanoulis, Juan Carlos Navarro and a lot of other guys are ahead of him

I am a Panathinaikos fan. My top-5 players from 2000 until now: 1. Dimitris Diamantidis 2. Dejan Bodiroga 3. Vasilis Spanoulis 4. Sarunas Jasikevicius 5. Carlos Navvaro Leaving aside my love for Panathinaikos and trying to speak clearly with basketball criteria there is one reason why Diamantidis was better than Spanoulis. Diamantidis was an extraordinary defender (one of the best ever in Europe) and a very good offensive player. Just remember the winning shot at the Eurobasket semi-finals in 2005. On the other hand, Spanoulis was a great offensive player (better than Diamantidis and one of the best of all times) but not a noteworthy defender. I mean that Dimitris was a more versatile player being good at both defense and offence. And don't forget what the great Kobe Bryant once said: "I wish I had on my team one player named Diamantidis".

what makes someone GOAT is %80 character. So seeing him in the same picture with Spanoulis makes my stomach go up. I think you do it on purpose to make us angry? 🤣

the goat at this moment of time is V Span hands down. its all good to make videos like this but all the basket community know this already.

Could you do a Top 20 video? Would love to see that list

James is the closest to an NBA superstar/superscorer we can get in Euroleague - not because he is injured or on drugs or chased by the law, but because he is short. He is pure joy to observe. He does lack in titles and that counts, however I will add that he lacks in terms of attitude / persona too. Especially while younger, he was a bit controversial and not well respected. The difference with Spanoulis is that Bill had global recognition and love. I remember fans of the opposing teams applauding him. Moreover, he was inspirational for his team mates and youngsters that looked up on him. You could hear stories about him and his obsession with basketball that bring Christiano Ronaldo and Kobe to mind (I think he was not as extreme as they were but still). Additionally, the 2 titles that he won with Olympiakos - especially the first one - were with low budget / fame team mates. Yes, you know Sloukas, Papanikolaou, Hines, Printezis, but who knew them at the time? I doubt you could have substituted Spanoulis with any other player and won those titles. I believe he removed part of the stress from younger team mates because they all knew that when it mattered, when the ball burned, he would carry the team. This way, his team mates were able to play their game. Moreover, and I cannot stress this enough, he was a monster at pick n roll. He has invented careers that did not exist for his center team mates. I was watching his games and i was like 'how does he pass the ball to the center so effortlessly?' and then when he stopped no one else could do it this well. Finally, part of his legend was that he left an a-ma-zing, all star pao team, with the best coach, top class team mates in order to succeed on the biggest pao adversary olympiakos. Olympiakos at the time had a mediocre team that hadn't won greek championship or euroleague for ages. Well, he made it and that's a story by itself.

Mike has 3 plus the current one, 4 years of future career. If he somehow manages to win not 1, but 2 titles, then yeah definitely he could be in the conversation. Without them, no.

only one boss, Sasha Djordjevic

Thanks for the video. Mike James should come and play for Olympiacos because his play will revive our team like Spanoulis is playing again and then he will win one and he will be No1 GOAT.

I am Panathinaikos fan. I had the chance to see most of these players playing for my team and winning championships. Mike James is my favorite Euroleage player since he was young, playing for Panathinaikos. The GOAT is Diamantidis, cause he is the definition of the captain. Always humble and always playing for the team. He never wanted fame and glory so he never focused on stats. Yet he is the most famous and most glorious among Panathinaikos fans. P.S. Antonis Fotsis is the most underated player ever. If not the best player in his position, surely top 3 players ever played in that position. I believe that he should be an honorble mention, althought he is not famous.

Diamantidis was amazing, punished us so many times. No wonder Olympiakos rise in Greece came just after Diamantidis retired. From olympiakos fan :)

The goat is diqmantidis. Other than the fact that along side teodosic he is the best playmaker he is also with spanoulis the most clucth.BUT he is also THE BEST defender. He was won the dpoy 6 times !!!(no other has more than 2). Also he has 2 f4 Mvps and 3 euroleagues

james is a gifted scorer no doudt but to my eyes even if he had 1 title,that alone cannot put him in goat conversations,he needs more like the others who are in the goat conversation

Guys i know he's not counted but Meneghin deserves his time under the spotlights.

Navarro, Spanoulis, Parker... maybe Bodiroga. Llull, Rudy

Mike James is still active and has a lot to offer/achieve in the following years. It’s still difficult though to reach the King: Vassilis Spanoulis 🐐

many players can be in the list either amazing defenders or scorers but the goat is one and is spanoulis!he is the idol of the new generation that conquers nba and ofc spanoulis play is used around the world and that speaks volumes!thank you vspan for all you gave us

Keep wondering about these stats. Then I remember: - 40min vs. 48min in the NBA - it's a team sport in Euro - actual defence played Suddenly 16ppg sounds really good. 👌

goats are defined by titles/awards. you cannot even be in the conversation without finals AND fmvp, end of story

1) Spanoulis 2) Diamantidis 3) Bodiroga 4) James - - titles matter (ask... Karl Malone, John Stockton etc) Theo Papaloukas should also be in the conversation, great seasons with CSKA and Olympiakos.

Spanoulis,​ Printezis​ David Rivers and Doncic

I am Serbian and Bodiroga is my favorite player, but what Kill Bill did in his career is unmached for me he is the Goat.

whats spanoulis impact on defense ??

When they asked Kobe Bryant about which european player he would like to have in his team, he said Diamantidis…. enough said

Wheres navarro?

Diamantidis every day and twice on Sundays

"In the NBA it's between Michael Jordan and LeBron James" Kobe, Wilt and Russell fans would disagree.

THE IMPRESSIVE PHENOMENON IS THAT SPANOULIS, MIKE JAMES AND DIAMANTIDIS ALL EXPERIENCED GLORY DAYS WITH PANATHINAIKOS!THE BIGGEST TEAM OF EUROPE!

2 Greeks in top 4🇬🇷🇬🇷

I am PAO fan, for me Bodiroga is undoubtedly the GOAT. He was the Doncic of his time. As a PAO fan of course my second choice is Diamantidis. Also, I think Navaro was worth a mention.

The number of championships won factor is the least important one for such a discussion in euro basketball. The most important factor, the team's roster, is almost never decided by the player in question on euro teams. Also the Final 4 format favours surprises and most of the teams that became champions weren't the best one during the season. Instead we should look for how much that player influenced his team and in which way.

James is an excellent shooter and scorer in general BUT he has spend his career in second tier teams playing the hero and hogging the ball. When he plays well or when he is not properly defended they win, when he is not playing well they lose. All the others in this video played in highly competitive teams that had alternatives to "hero ball" thus time and attempts were shared better with their teamates. Spanoulis didn't even play that much in the 2012 final because he wasn't in the zone (at least early on) guess what Olympiacos closed the difference without him and when he returned to the game they won. James' teams rely so much on him and that's why he has these "crazy" stats.

ein Beitrag des Montages, 11. März 2024 Der mediale Fokus liegt meistens auf Luka Doncic. die Notierten (49): Europa 27; Amerika 18; Asien 2; Afrika 1 Januar (3): Europa 2; Amerika 1 1966: Ergin Ataman (Istanbul) 1988: Alexander Tyus (Missouri) 1994: Vasilije Micić (Serbien) Februar (6): Europa 4; Amerika 2 1973: Tyus Dwayne Edney (Staat Kalifornien) 1981: Andrei Gennadjewitsch Kirilenko (Udmurtien) 1987: Ante Tomić (Dubrovnik) 1989: Nicholas William Calathes (Florida) 1991: Nikola Mirotić Stajović (Geburt in Titograd) 1999: Luka Dončić (Laibach) März (6): Europa 4; Amerika 1; Afrika 1 1960: Željko Obradović (Mittelserbien) 1973: Dejan Bodiroga (Mittelbanat) 1978: Igor Rakočević (Belgrad) 1982: Walter Samuel Tavares da Veiga (Kap Verde) 1987: Miloš Teodosić (Serbien) 1991: Facundo Campazzo (Argentinien) April (4): Amerika 3; Europa 1 1974: Marcus James Brown (Arkansas) 1980: Lance Terrell McIntyre (Buenos Aires; in einem Herbst geboren) 1983: Devin Michael Smith (Delaware) 1990: Jan Veselý (Ostrau) Mai (7): Europa 4; Amerika 3 1959: David Michael Blatt (Kentucky) 1973: Dejan Tomašević (Belgrad) 1976: Trajan Shaka Langdon (Staat Kalifornien) 1977: Theodoros Papaloukas (Griechenland) 1980: Dimitrios Diamantidis (Griechenland) 1986: Bryant Kevin Dunston jr. (Queens) 1988: Nemanja Bjelica (Belgrad) Juni (3): Europa 2; Amerika 1 1975: Anthony Michael Parker (Iowa) 1980: Juan Carlos Navarro Feijoo (Südkatalonien) 1987: Nando Bruno Alfred Andre de Colo (Französisch Flandern) Juli (2): Europa 1; Amerika 1 1977: Emanuel David Ginóbili Maccari (Argentinien) 1983: Nenad Krstić (Serbien) August (3): Europa 2; Asien 1 1990: Michael Perry James (Oregon) 1992: Bogdan Bogdanović (Serbien) 1995: Aleksandar Wesenkow (Nikosia) September (4): Europa 2; Amerika 2 1959: Ettore Messina (Sizilien) 1978: Ramūnas Šiškauskas (Litauen) 1983: Keith Langford (Texas) 1986: Kyle Tyrrell Hines (Philadelphia) Oktober (5): Amerika 3; Europa 2 1943: Dušan Ivković (Belgrad; verstorben) 1971: Alphonso Gene Ford (Staat Mississippi) 1977: Lance Terrell McIntyre (Nordkarolinien) 1990: Stefan Jović (Serbien) 1992: Deshane Davis Larkin (Zinzinatti) November (2): Europa 1; Asien 1 1951: Pinhas Jair Gershon (Tel Aviv) 1987: Sergio Llull Melià (Menorca) Dezember: Europa 1 1988: Alexei Wiktorowitsch Schwed (Belgorod; ein deutschsprachiger Familienname) welcher Geburtsmonat? (2): Europa 1; Amerika 1 Georgios Bartzokas (Griechenland) Jeff Trepagnier (USA)

Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Bodiroga, Jasikevicius Honourable mentions: Papaloukas, llull navarro hines

Nooooo f@cking way... He is just the 1st scorer... You can't be the Euroleague GOAT with no Euroleague titles,F4 MVPs and leadership games in playoffs and F4s... Mike James is a great player but has nothing from these above... Spanoulis on the other hand has 3 Euroleague titles, 3 F4 MVPs and many many leadership games in playoffs and F4s... And additionally he was at the same time 1st at points,assists and PIR.... Magical things from the GOAT of Euroleague!

I m olympiakos fun, i can guarantee that Diamantides was a legendary player. But Spanoulis will be forever the King of Euroleague

Also, as to the video topic and question, Vassilis Spanoulis is the EuroLeague GOAT.

But if you ask any Euroleague player or coach, they'll give you just one name. Nikos Galis That's it...

In Euroleague is very difficult to choose a goat. Its better to make a top3 or top5. The only thing i'll say is that for spanoulis case you should remember that in the years of the back2back nobody knew who kyle hines was, and Sloukas, papanikolaou where kids. So if he wasnt there? No trophies!

Dimitris without any hesitation. In his bad games averages a PIR 6-7. In Spanoulis bad games you could see a -10 PIR (a lot of turnovers and missing shoots) And if we consider Obradovic is the greatest coach of europe... we know who he preffered between Dimitris and Vasilis.....Dimitris without any hesitation...

A lot of guys can score, some guys can run the offence and see the floor real well, a lot can lock people down on D and know to space the floor on both ends, and a lot can throw excellent passes. Only ONE player in the era you are talking about could do all of that combined, at will, and he chose to always play for the team, never stat padding, never wanting to take the spotlight unless he had to, always delivering every night. Until he got badly injured in 2009 which took away his side stepping on D, he won DPOY 5 seasons in a row. Dimitris Diamantidis is the GOAT of the Euroleague, no doubt about it.

Bro come on 😂 Bill is miiiiiles ahead. Mike James has to pass Navarro, Diamantidis, Bodiroga or even Jasikevicius

To elaborate on diamantidis' clutch ability: "VALTO AGORI MOY" i rest my case

Mike James is borderline top 25, putting him on the Euroleague goat discussion is the worst take i have heard from this other than that great channel. Saras, Parker, Siskauskas, Diamantidis, Batiste, Papaloukas, Navarro, Llull, Sergi, Spanoulis,Printezis,Baston, Bodiroga, De Colo were way more complete, impactful and successful on big games than James Scola,Andersen,Smodis, Holden, Langdon, Larkin, Hines, Micic, Nicholas, Calathes, Vujcic, Teodosic, Nocionni are also higher than him but i agree it could be debatable for some reasons (years played in the league etc)

Kill Bill, Diamantidis, and Papaloukas, the holy trio of modern greek basketball.

Bodiroga!!!🇷🇸❤

Imagine score tied, last two minutes of the final game, Spanoulis against Bodiroga, whom would you trust more to win the game? That’s the real GOAT!

Jaskevicius Diamantidis Spanoulis and many many more on top of him

Do some story og Predrag Danilović

Spanoulis = goat

Parker, Bodiroga, Diamantidis, Kill Bill, Navarro

no guys you have a reputation to maintain. stop stupid clickbait and troll questions. mike james is not even in the top 20.

Nah, Mike James is nowhere close to the Goat. 1. Sex, droga Bodiroga 2. Spanoulis 3. Diamantidis 4. Segio Lull 5. Juan Carlos Navarro or Anthony Parker

Ok mike James just answered for you guys. SPANOULIS IS THE EUROLEAGUE GOAT.

while the greatest is galis both in numbers and in impact but what could you expect from guys saying failed jaskevicius is candidate for goat coach ...

all top 4 played for Panathinaikos

great mike james biut spanoulis has 3 or 4 euroleague titles?

Players like Mike James in Euroleague or like Harden or Westbrook in NBA can't be in serious conversation for any kind of GOAT stories.

Where is navarro?

where is Juan Carlos Navarro!?

what about la bomba

No Nando De Colo ? In HM at least ?

Best individual player in modern euroleague (or best player) is easily mike jame in my opinion But GOAT, even mike james with 1 ring wont overtake spanoulis 2rings and 2 f4 mvps then i would say yes Greatest is not just about skill and stats imo, it also takes to account outside of basketball things

Euroleague GOAT without any EL titles?? Have you seen any GOAT without the major title? Come on guys, i love Mike James too but he isn't even in the top5 Euroleague goat conversation. I get it that you want views and clicks and that you are Mike's biggest fans but come one lets get serious. He is the TOP SCORER not the GOAT. Spanoulis is my number 1.

Spanoulis is better because he won titles